/classical/

>>70138495
>fix your self-esteem issues with the help of a therapist
shill and ideology

Beethoven-chan is tsundere

Bahha-sama is GOAT

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>>70138495
>clara schumann

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Post rare Lilis.

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>>70138495
>Schuman
You had one job.

Name your 3 favorite Beethoven Piano Sonatas !

>1. Op. 110 No. 31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hiNR4wxUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0VsTnuipEE

>2. Op. 13 No. 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN5cnVk85uo&index=223&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0

>3. Op. 10 No. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BftJ2MVQLAk

>>70138900
please tell me that is agirl

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>>70138949
It's a colorized film of Lili Boulanger.

>>70138911
What are your favorite Scarlatti sonatas?

>>70139197
K 8
K 175
K 519
K 555
To name a few. Crazy to imagine that he composed over 500 single movement sonatas.

>>70139617
are you saying it was all by one man

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do you find pleasure in this sonatina I wrote?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTC4dEsxBU

>>70139675
just give it a rest ffs

>>70139694
I'm in this for the (You)s

70139719
acidbathe

>>70139694
last one I swear

>>70138495
I'm not too familiar with recorded music history. Does there exist recordings on wax cylinder or whatever of Clara Schumann or Joseph Joachim performing Brahms? Do they just exist as legends?

>>70139675
no, you're a shit composer. discontinue posting your trash in these threads.

>>70139848
at leat it's something fresh mot Beethoven for the 10,001st time (not that anon)

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@70139719

>melodies handed to you
>composing in one of the easiest forms

>>70139836
There are recordings of Joachim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-p8YeIQkxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw998QWfcJs

Quite a different style of playing compared to today

>>70139733
>>70139906
Keep trying, even someone like you can learn how to reference previous posts, if you put in the effort.

>>70139836
I think it was two days ago when some anon posted an edison cylinder recording of Brahms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRcMPxbaDAY
There is also that one recording of Tschaikowski and Anton Rubinstein.

+70139952
you're just mad because you're derivative of a derivative

>>70139653
There is most certainly no reason for me to doubt that. It at least seems doable to me.

>>70140076
it's more craftsmanship than artistry when composing in these quantities

>>70140076
that's wild

>>70140143
Good point. Still I don't think it devalues the end product in any way if that's what you're implying.

>>70140373
depends on what you're looking for in music. It still can be made very well but it won't have such personal depth like Beethoven and the romantics after him had

>>70140399
Definitely !
Scarlatti's sonatas are fun to play from time to time while one can devote several years for one of Beethoven's more complex piano sonatas.

Mozart is a very over-rated composer, whose music is riddled with appalling cliches (and yes they were cliches in his day not just ours). He has brief moments of quality, but the music always reverts to an appallingly obvious and over-used cadence, after a few brief seconds of interest.
The early classical style was a case of musical degeneration, not any kind of real advancement. It moves away from the tight structure and advanced counterpoint of Bach, but does not achieve the same emotional quality as romantic music.
I regard Mozart as an important developmental composer, but this does not make him a great composer. I think it is a case of Mozart having taken a step backwards, to allow later composers to take two steps forwards.

>>70140523
yeah, it's kinda like the same way backwards that the composer took. I'm reading a very interesting book by Ernst Kurth atm where he shows that music is only the symbol of psychological issues of the composer. The classics didn't have much unconscious parts in their music, while the romantics had almost exclusively unconscious parts encrypted into their music

where do you guys stand on HIP?

>>70140579
only a person with limited musical knowledge would say something like that. Mozart was classical, don't look for unconscious stuff in his music. It's pure form, pure intellect.

"I adore Mozart and will do so until my last breath" (Beethoven)

>>70140656
"Well, I wish you good night
But first shit in your bed and make it burst.
Sleep soundly, my love
Into your mouth your arse you'll shove." (Mozart)

>>70140702
so what do you want to proov? That Mozart didn't care what people think about him? If you think his music is overrated make your point with music.

>>70140558
That pasta is 18 years old.

>>70140615
Only music literature I've read was Heinrich Neuhaus "Kunst des Klavierspiels". I might give him a read.
Also which Beethoven Sonatas would you consider being your favorites ?

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>>70140579

>>70140838
the last two are incredible, but I needed some time to accknowledge them. I love for some strange reason #6, esp the second movement. And #25 is extremely funny.

Are you German btw?

>>70140631
good when done right

i don't like it how most HIPsters don't utilize heavy amounts of portamenti though even when it's appropriate to do so

>>70138495
How to get into Chopin?
I've started listening to classical music 2 months ago. So far I listen manly to Beethoven's sonatas and string quartets (I've still haven't heard his symphonies, I want to hear them live first), Scarlatti's piano sonatas, Bach's WTC, GV and AoF, certain Ravel pieces (mainly his piano works and his Piano Concerto) and various Debussy short piano pieces.

I still find hard listening to romantic, late romantic, modern and contemporary music.
the latter 2, I just don't get it.
About romantic and late romantic music, I find it accessible enough, but it never manage to move me, even if, as far as I know, it should be the point of this music.
What's so interesting about Chopin and Liszt music?

>>70141073
>I still find it hard
after two months this is no wonder. You can fill you're whole life with classical music, no need to rush and spoil it forever. Just follow your taste atm, being able to understand the more advanced works will take time

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4

>>70140802
I responded to your posts in which you made no point with music, but only wrote a few platitudes worthy of Mozart himself. You finished it all with a meaningless quote, so I did as well.

>>70140843
Most people are dumb, they don't want to be challenged intellectually or emotionally. They want the familiar, unconfrontational - and Mozart's music is perfectly suited for this. You see the average human IQ is 100, and it was even lower in the 18th century than it is today. Why do you think Mozart's music is so popular and entry level? Princely because it is an appealing collection of cliches, of potency no greater than inter-office memes.

>>70140579
>cliches
Eh, we've read that Gould interview too. It is regarded as trash by virtually every musicologist.
Also you should try to read Gould's diaries. He costantly complain about how his technique is not suitable for most common practice and romantic music, and surprise surprise, in public he always complains about how much of a sham that music is.
He was just an hypocrite, stop parroting his opinions.

>>70141133
I just thought you'd like Beethoven, so I figured his opinion on Mozart would matter to you. You just posted something Mozart said, which has no connection to his music whatsoever

>>70141099
>being able to understand the more advanced works
About that. I may be a newbie, but I usually find harder to listen to more conventional music. For example the early Beethoven's sonatas always sound way more boring than the late ones. The Goldberg Variations are way less entertaining to me than the Art of Fugue.
Considering that I technically still don't know what I'm listening to, what's happening here? Why is the Moonlight Sonata so boring when compared to the Sonata 32?

>>70141133
>They want the familiar, unconfrontational - and Mozart's music is perfectly suited for this
Mozart was considered too harsh by his contemporaries and is clearly too much of a confrontational composer today by plebs.

>>70141133
your opinion on Mozart is so wrong and it's so evident that you're only butthurt. Maybe you're not into opera, so it's excusable that you can't grasp Mozart. But at least the three last symphonies should show you that it's bullshit what you're saying. I guess you don't produce anything yourself, so you can't acknowledge that someone puts something in this world that is so perfect and so easy to understand, even for entry levels. This is no malus at all

>>70141133
mozart's "popularity" was brief and it wasn't until an early 20th century revival that his music started being widely programmed again.

this is after heavy championing from other composers and performers, like Strauss, Mahler, and Brahms and so on

>>70141073
It's melodic, lyrical, song-like or whatever. He was super obsessed with minute changes in dynamics. He composed weird genres, particularly mazurkas.

>>70141254

Mozart was a living legend for most late common practice and romantic composers. Hell, even Schoenberg was influenced by him.
His works have always been studied to great extent by all scholars. At best you can complain about the fame that it gained on the uneducated masses, but to be fair that fame is entirely justified.

>>70141206
just be happy that you have quick access to the good stuff, but don't deduce that it works in any case. If you don't get it, you just don't get it, wait a few years and try again. Maybe you'll never like it at all. But that doesn't mean that you're uncivilized or stupid, it's just a waste of time. Look for something else that brings you joy and get proficient in another field. Strangely many people try to force themself into liking certain pieces of music, it just makes you're life harder

>>70141073
>What's so interesting about Chopin and Liszt music?

You'll grow into it. Perhaps start with Liszt's Faust symphony, or if you really want easy mode go with stuff like Liebesträume and Consolations. Once you really start feeling his stuff listen to the Totentanz (for orchestra).

With Chopin start with the preludes, then if Ballads then whatever you feel like. There will probably come a time when you'll only listen to his stuff over and over again, but wait until then if you're not feeling it.

>>70141297
the real genius of Mozart is that his simultaneously easy for plebs whilst also providing boundless depths for the educated

>>70141254
just plain wrong

>>70141339
And of course, like every Mozart fanboy, you claim to be among the "educated".

>>70141339

I agree. I'm pretty sure that I will appreciate it the most in my '80s-'90s. His music is truly immortal.

>implying you don't need iron ears to listen to Mozart complex and fast-developing music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K-ZxVnJIwg
https://youtu.be/SONlDLgx0Gw?t=20m23s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhfM7B1L6YI

>>70140884
Ja.
Didn't expect no. 6 since it barely gets attention. Same applies to Op. 79. Both are unique in their own way though.
Any preferred recordings for the last two sonatas?

>>70141400
the second one is my Mozart favorite. I recently found a sonatina from his early years that has the exact same theme

>>70141382

>implying that Mozart is not one of the most studied composers across academics
Come on, it's a fact. Mozart has been venerated by basically every classical musician of the last 2 centuries. There is no pianist, violinist or flutist who has never studied extensively Mozart.
Jesus Christ, even the Soviets allowed to play Mozart's music during WW2.

>>70141405
nice, I'm German, too
Backhaus is my Beethoven favorite, there are nice recordings on yt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQ7TxpMizc

>>70141405
the storm and waldstein sonata are also know. I think the waldstein sonata got me into Beethoven in the first place

>>70141531
*nice

redpill: mozart was a psyop

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We /Mozart/ now.
Why aren't you listening to Mozart?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm994ZXMbJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1GBrubkh7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3EJqvKhYzY

>>70141458
>There is no pianist, violinist or flutist who has never studied extensively Mozart.

On the contrary, only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics.
He is only studied because at some point you have to learn the basics of cliches. He is well suited for those educational purposes, I admit. The problem is when dilettantes start looking at his scores to feel high brow.

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>>70141595
>only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics

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Posts academics who couldn't handle Beethoven.

>>70141661
>you will never be this patrician
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geyRVsZqyyc

>>70141661
Rosen loves Beethoven though

>>70141562
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J3X3Ey035k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_TrR2uH3T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCEwy5XQSs

Post your top 3 composers.

>>70141788
Bach, Beethoven, Mozart
In that order.

>>70141788
Wolfgang
Amadeus
Mozart

>>70141788
Mo
Za
Rt

>>70141661
Yes, somebody has to write textbooks. And Mozart is easily broken down and marketable.

>>70141788
Mozart
mozzart (underrated)
Moorzart

>>70141833
shit trolling desu

>>70141788
Gesualdo, Bach, Petzold

>>70141788
Beethoven
(nothing for a long time)
Schubert
Mendelssohn

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>>70141595
>On the contrary, only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics.

>>70141788
1) Beethoven
2) Bach (wich, I'm sure will be my no.1 when I'll get old)
3) Scarlatti/Haydyn (depending on my mood)

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>>70141595
>On the contrary, only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics.

Why are Chopin's piano concertos so often disregarded?
I've heard the second one yesterday night, live, and it moved me deeply. I didn't particularly appreciate the orchestration, but the piano parts were incredible.

>>70141788
Bach
Lassus
Martinů

>>70142071
It's ok, anon, you can say the orchestration is subshit-tier.

hello /classical/, what's a great classical recording to listen too on good headphones?

>>70142108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of68wWNQjJA

>>70142108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1c7-ZmhhU

>>70142105
Eh, it was somewhat unimaginative. I liked the notes that they were playing, but the dynamic range was amateurish at best.
Still, those piano solos were amazing.
>tfw he wrote it when he was 20

So i never heard any Palestrina, any recs?

>>70142108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFehcx6vqJ0

>>70142108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQLXRTl3Z0

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>>70142154

>tfw he wrote it when he was 20

I don't like that feel.

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>>70142284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDFSR7AjOk

>tfw he wrote this when he was 7

>>70142180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRfF7W4El60

>>70142267
get a job faggot

Mahler
Intellect: 7/10
Rhetoric: 9/10
Imagination: 8/10

Debussy:
Intellect: 6/10
Rhetoric: 8/10
Imagination: 9/10

Mozart:
Intellect: 8/10
Rhetoric: 10/10
Imagination: 8/10

Bach
Intellect: 9/10
Rhetoric: 9/10
Imagination: 9/10

Tchaikovsky:
Intellect: 6/10
Rhetoric: 6/10
Imagination: 6/10

Chopin:
Intellect: 6/10
Rhetoric: 9/10
Imagination: 7/10

Stravinsky:
Intellect: 8/10
Rhetoric: 8/10
Imagination: 8/10

>>70138495
Nice "literally who?" pic here. Where's Mahler? Where's Stravinsky? Where's Ustvolskaya?

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>>70142284
>tfw he wrote his fugue when he was over 30

>>70142370
That chart covers only common practice and romantic composers.

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>>70142338
Tchaikovsky's rhetoric should be higher

>>70142370
Here you go

>>70142418
No wonder I ain't ever heard of them

>>70142435
You're being ironic, right

>>70142338
Brahms:
Intellect: 8/10
Rhetoric: 9/10
Imagination: 7/10

Wagner:
Intellect: 8/10
Rhetoric: 9/10
Imagination: 7/10


Beethoven:
Intellect: 7/10
Rhetoric: 8/10
Imagination: 10/10

Schubert:
Intellect: 9/10
Rhetoric: 9/10
Imagination: 9/10

Schumann:
Intellect: 8/10
Rhetoric: 6/10
Imagination: 8/10

>>70142443
I don't pay attention to the classical equals of Trina da Baddest Bitch

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>>70142303

I have posted this meme many times before while shitposting, but now it actually genuinely describes how I feel.

>tfw Chopin, Liszt and the Schuberts won't ever be your best friends
>tfw Haydyn never gave you personal lessions con counterpoint
>tfw you never had Beethoven as a stepdad

Living in the 21th century as a classical pianist sucks so fucking much

>>70142468
lol, switch to edm production, bitch

that's what they'd do these days

>>70142468

They were probably all COMPLETE assholes.

>>70142510
this
real geniuses always go were the money is

>>70142510
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't.
>>70142516
>Chopin, Liszt and the Schuberts costantly give you advice and rate your compositions
>Haydyn turns you into a counterpoint genius in less than 1 year while telling you funny alcohol-related stories
>Beethoven is strict with you but succesfully protects you from siphilis, wich was plaguing Vienna in those years, while giving you the best compositon and piano lessons ever

Come on, it was so much better than having to fucking study with frustrated teachers, who just want you to win competitions based upon aesthetic criteria that are, more often than not, unmusical.
>>70142558
The most revered composers all went upon the common expectation of their time. Would you really say that Beethoven always went where the money were, even if 3/4 of his catalogue was completely misinterpreted during his lifetime?

>>70142600
I didn't say they'd make every single work a crowd pleaser. And for something to be misinterpreted it have to be listened to first anyway.

>>70142628
Regardless, those were different times. I'm pretty sure you can't reach those peaks of pure transcendence through the framework that popular music (in this case EDM) has to offer.

I would support your opinion if elements of popular music were not included in the classical repertoire, but the truth is that most modern, non-academic music is just a dumbed down version of classical music.
You have literally nothing to learn from the Beatles if you already know how to write a menuet. It is usually that easy.

>>70142747
I didn't say that they would make as good music though.

>>70141073

For Chopin personally I started with the nocturnes as I'm sure lots of people do. They're short and memorable enough to get into earlier, sort of primed me for his scherzos and ballades (my favorites). Pepper some of those with mazurkas, which are all weird little pieces that are pretty different from each other. He's got some other standout pieces like Etude Op. 10 No. 3 and Polonaise in A Flat major, but the nocturnes, scherzos, and ballades are consistently moving. Also take your time, it took me months to fully appreciate even the nocturnes, and basically half a semester studying the ballades, which are four pieces. It's a slow-built appreciation.

Liszt took me longer to get into since I found a lot of his ornamentation and acrobatics distracting. But there's a lot of beauty in his stuff, Un Sospiro is probably his most famous piece along with Hungarian Rhapsody and they're still my favorites. I'd check those out first if you haven't already

>>70142776

So your point is that true genius always want to make money in spite of the quality of their works?
I'm not getting it.

>>70142810
My claim (that was just a shitpost) was that real geniuses flock to forms that pay the most. How good music they then make depend on how good music that form allows.

>>70142810
>>70142860

They wouldn't go for EDM or a moneymaker style per se but they'd probably lock themselves in a room with a laptop and fuck around with synths. Think of what Beethoven's could do with a fucking macbook and a keyboard

>>70142468
we have the internet though, and can look up any technique, study any score, watch endless instructional videos, create scores, send them to performers, organize concerts, all without leaving the house.

If anything, its the best time to be a composer. You can still be friends with other composers, and on the plus side you probably wont have to speak german to do so.

>>70143015
find r9k and waste his life?

>>70143043
yeah :(

>>70143043
this

>>70143036

Come on, you need very read very few, comprehensive books to learn everything you need to know about composition. The real skill comes from analyzing hundreds of scores, but that was possible in the 19th century too.

Most of the lessons you can find on the internet are ultimately worthless if you're trying to compose at a high level, and all the relevant sources are books that were available in those years too.

>>70143015
>Think of what Beethoven's could do with a fucking macbook and a keyboard
Beethoven's most beloved compositions were all orchestral. After the Hammerklavier completion he still complained about how the piano was still not reliable and effective enough as an instrument.
Do you really think that we can possibly beat the awe that a excellent orchestra can inspire with synths?
Imho to these days classical instruments are still aesthetically superior. A guitar can make any sound you want, but nothing beats a violin playing perfectly a Bach's violin partita.

>>70142303
if it makes you feel any better i thought that said "prolapse in g minor" for a second haha

>>70143015

>Think of what Beethoven's could do with a fucking macbook and a keyboard

Probably just bullshit like everyone else. Beethoven's music came out of him sitting in his 18th century room without anything to entertain himself with because it was the goddamn 18th century but composing with pen and paper. If he had spent his time "fucking around with synths" there would be no Beethoven.

>>70139675
Not bad but WHERE IS THE HYRULE FIELD YOU FUCK?! BACK TO THE PIANO ASSHOLE!

>>70143015
>Think of what Beethoven's could do with a fucking macbook and a keyboard

Do you think there's any synth sound that can beat the sound that comes out from an excelent piano/fortepiano? Can you write something as beautiful as a Chopin Ballade using sounds that are different than those that piano can produce?
Most synth sounds I've heard in mylife sounded ''tacky'' and ''situational''.

>>70143416
Piano cuck detected

>>70139675
The variations the other anon posted were more interesting.

Reminder that timbre is the least interesting aspect of music.

>>70143440
Post a single synth sound that can do justice to a Bach sonata to the same extent of what a piano/harpsichord/clavichord/organ/string quartet can achieve.

>>70143200

>Do you really think that we can possibly beat the awe that a excellent orchestra can inspire with synths?

Yeah. I don't think it's been done yet, or if it has I haven't heard an arrangement that's rivaled great symphonies -- but many synthesizers make amazing sounds. Someone with a great sense of timbre, harmony, and arrangement is all you'd need to make a breathtaking work.

I was more making the point that a brain like Beethoven's, in today's world, would probably leverage technology as opposed to sticking to more traditional methods.

>>70143370

Obviously it wouldn't be Beethoven but a musical mind on that level given enough time and the right technology would still make something incredible

>>70143485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLugVMzLoU
BTFO

Any chamber, concert band, or any wind ensemble composer recommendations?

>>70143501

>Yeah
Imho the problem resides in the fact that orchestras are not only a auditory stimuly, they're visually stimulating to.
Knowing that 100 people are pouring their heart while playing organically with ancient instruments in front of you is a powerful idea. Knowing how much dynamics are influenced by those players will only enhance your appreciation for orchestras.
I'm pretty sure that music conoisseur won't ever appreciate EDM as much as classical music as long as every sound is not produced live by actual, real professional musicians.
It's the difference between listening to Brahms live and listening to him on a youtube video. It's not the same thing, and it won't ever be.

You guys shill the same six classical composers over and over again. It is really boring.

>>70143581
>people are pouring their heart
top jej

>>70143586
There's only 6 good composers, what are we gonna do

Synthesizers are PLEBEIAN and BOURGEOISIE.
Deal with it.

Which composers, if they were alive today, would be Vocaloid songwriters?

>>70143581
I would agree. If we're talking about the live experience of polyphonic multi-instrumental music then likely nothing will ever top the orchestra or chorus. I guess I'm thinking mainly in terms of the music/sonic experience itself. I know electronics aren't nearly as exciting live.

>>70143640
>Synthesizers are PLEBEIAN and BOURGEOISIE.
shill and ideology

>>70143640

Synths were bourgeoisie. In 2016 everyone can buy a 200$ laptop and start fucking up with fruity loops. synths have been successfully seized by the uneducated population in the late '00s.

>>70143416
>Most synth sounds I've heard in mylife sounded ''tacky'' and ''situational''.

you haven't heard good ones then mate there is some beautiful shit out there.

And the point is that you'd write music specifically for certain timbres, Chopin wrote only for the piano so obviously it's not gonna sound better on something else. I'd never advocate retrofitting great classics with synths, I'm not completely retarded

>>70143658

Then I don't see why Beethoven would lose time with these technologies.

>>70143693
answer to this >>70143485
I know that synths can sound good but I've never heard any set of sound that made me say ''ok, I could build 5 minutes of music out of these sounds''. Yet, the worst classical guitar will magically do the trick.

>>70143693
Show us something as beautiful as Chopin's best music that was written for synths.

Opinions on Leo Brower?
Really like his work, some people hate on him since it's too avant garde for the or some shit like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihh4QPkbX9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfGQtKM0Dyk

>>70143744
>guitar

>>70143633
go listen to some Alfred Reed or Gershwin you Mozart cuck

>>70143744
>compositions starts with several seconds of nothing but the interval that that song that you had just gotten out of your head starts with

>>70143767
>tfw there is no great music in the classical guitar repertoire because Segovia was born way too late
Feels bad.

>>70143783
>meme jazz

>>70143796
>>meme jazz
no

>>70143796
Ponce is p good m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgv2YyC5htM

>>70143734
already said that retrofitting classics with synths is stupid and besides the point. If anything >>70143485 proves my point because the modern piano wasn't even around when Bach composed yet it still sounds incredible. There are literally infinite waveforms you can create electronically, all I say is that composition evolves alongside technology.

And again, it just seems like you haven't heard sweet electronics (not talking dubstep/edm/pop shit) or don't have much of an imagination beyond working with classical guitar or piano or cello or what have you

>>70143896
I mentioned Bach because his music always sounds good on every instrument. I'm pretty sure that no synth sound can sound as good as a String Quartet playing correctly a fugue from the Art of Fugue.

>>70143896
>>70143947

Also let me add this: I'm not saying that all synths sounds are inherently worthless. I'm just saying that they are not useful if you're trying to make beautiful, trascendent art music.
Beethoven and a forte piano can reach that artistic peak, but I'm pretty sure he couldn't with synths.

>>70143896
give us examples of first rate synth sounds

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This guy was insanely good, better than his teacher Arnie Schoenberg

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>>70138495
take a look at this track
https://clyp.it/ti4dhz5s

>>70144305
Eisler is good but Schoenberg is still better

I'm looking to snag a Scriabin. Any recommendations?

>>70143776
Mozart is literally better than both of them.
You could have at least posted Carter, or even Ivees (overrated)

Honestly, is there anything better than a nice scotch with ice, a nice cuban cigar in the basement in the dark, mom out of the house, rainymood on in the background listening to some Mozart? Also what do you like to read while you listen to classicool music?

>>70143987
>they are not useful if you're trying to make beautiful, trascendent art music.

Yeah I just disagree man I think it can absolutely be done, it just hasn't been in a classical context. I mean, think of the makeup of an orchestra over the years -- instruments crafted in very specific shapes and sizes, combined in different ways, fine-tuned for specific timbres and frequency ranges (I mean, the piano is a fucking miracle of engineering) to add up to more than the sum of their parts through ingenious composing/arranging. In theory synths aren't much different it's just electronically engineered rather than physical.

>>70144058
off the top of my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9h2o-rc4m4

I realize this is not 'classical.' The point is that the sound is nice enough, at least for me, to potentially work in concert with other beautiful instruments.

>>70144404
Attack on Titan desu

>>70144412
'no'

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>>70144316
I don't get it.
This feels extremely for some reason.
Where did I hear it before?

>>70144473
>extremely familiar
Fixed.

>>70144473
>>70144506
your birth

>>70144316
this is fun, feels like world's end girlfriend pulled away from electronics

is the artist n in o key?

>>70143987

>synths can't sound transcendent and beautiful

What an awful opinion

>>70144316
like a chump

>>70144528

Not him, but something where they do, I honestly have never heard it before.

>>70144058

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H4-_LdbD14

>>70144683

post something*

>>70144683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW48ldu1RJM

I've installed Musescore yesterday night, and made this (not completed yet):
https://clyp.it/sqpcajyb
I have zero experience in composition and music theory. How does it sound? I'm just curious about what you guys have to say about this.

>>70144725
>I have zero experience in composition and music theory
yeah not gonna bother to listen

>>70144750
pretty please?

>>70144725
i've heard worse things honestly
staccato break at 40 something feels out of place / like it should amount to something but it doesn't
otherwise transitions feel pretty natural
feels a little lost near the end but the part before the end (like 1:20 maybe i forget) was nice
keep at it!

Zarzuela bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z8TP39L0t8

>>70141206
Most people tend to think the Goldberg Variations as more entertaining than Art of the Fugue.

i love this piece, better loud with eyes closed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJPNABU54Y

>>70141562
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17fGOC0IC9I

>>70141788
Mozart
Sorozabal
Lambert

Can I become a piano virtuoso if I put all my free time into it? Is it that unrealistic?
I'm 23, what are the obstacles that I will meet if I take this path?

Any good releases coming out this year?

>>70145808
Go for it man, you have nothing to lose

>>70145808
Take lessons from a profesional and you'll be good enough in less than 4 years.

>tfw unironically like Carmina Burana
What are your guilty pleasures?

>>70146320
Yeah, I know.

>>70146488
I will take daily lessons with a renowned conservatory professor. I still haven't talked with him tho, that's why I was asking here about obstacles and shit.
Also I'll be able to practice everyday on an excellent grand piano, I'm pretty sure that will matter a lot.
What else? I have excellent memory and very long, tampered fingers. I can cover with relative ease a 12th, with a bit of stretch I can get to a 13th, and my fingers never get stuck between black keys.
Is it a favourable starting point? With enough hard work can I become as good as my favourite virtuosi?

>>70146590
Orff version or the original neume manuscript version?

>>70146978
Orff.

>/classical
>196 / 21 / 30 / 10

>/grimes/
>287 / 63 / 59 / 1

>>70148507
Most users are European, and there it's 6am-8am. They're all sleeping.

>>70138949
That's James Spader you gay retard

>>70139981
what in the shit is he even playing?

>>70141456
>OMG JUPITER IS MAI FAVE MOZART

get in line normie

>>70142426
the ones on the bottom

Schoenberg, ?, ?, Varese, Britten, Berstein, ?

>>70143545
I wish I could downboat this

>>70148800
kinda looks like karajan but I didn't think he ever wore his hair so long

>>70148800
bottom are conductors

from left to right:
Fricsay, Kleiber (Sr.) Bohm, Mengelberg, Knappertsbusch, Bernstein, Celibidache

>>70144316
>makes some catchy loops and riff using Ableton strings
>thinks this belongs in a classical general

get out you cretin

>>70149061
like a chump

>>70144316
awful trash, please stop

cleanse your souls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOq614bql8A

>>70144316
what the hell is this? repetitive pentatonic riff soloing bullshit!? in MY /classical/?!?

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am i doing this right?

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>>70150125
What in gods name is that supposed to be.
How is that sounding in your head.

>>70150210
im practicing counterpoint

>>70150125
Looks really slow

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>>70150250

>>70146634
see OP's FAQ desu

>>70150228
Fair enough.
What I meant was that 7th measure with those two full notes.
How is someone supposed to play that.

>>70150125
>posting babby first counterpoint exercises on the internet
Come back when you're writing your first inventions.

>>70150391
With a double keyboard harpsichord, obviously.
Jesus Christ, you guys are ignorant as fuck

>>70150418
Didn't seem obvious to me.
That answers my question though.

>>70150313
something about having 3 measures of parallel thirds rubs me the wrong way but I guess its technically correct

>>70150495
Good, you shitwit, now fuck off.

>>70146634
>>70150386

No one else?

>>70150558
Don't worry, you'll feel better after therapy.

>>70150558
piano is fun just do it fgt

>>70150558
Probably not. There are no obstacles for you though.
Just do it and thank yourself 4 years later.
Practice everyday and you'll be better than those kids with their 12 years of not giving a fuck about practicing experience.

>>70150558
You can still be a somewhat decent amateur, maybe even pro pop, rock pianist.

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Classiest conductor ever?

>>70150730
Dweebest

>>70150730
He's zzzzzzzzzzzz

>>70150871
Qtest

>>70150885
Top pleb

>>70144305
most correct thing in this thread

>>70150673
>There are no obstacles for you though.
Do you have any source on that? (I know that the whole argument about neuroplasticity has been debunked, but I don't know if it's the only element to consider in the equation).

>>70150706
I'd rather kill myself.

>>70150948
>I'd rather kill myself.

>>70145808
>Can I become a piano virtuoso if I put all my free time into it? Is it that unrealistic?
I'm 23, what are the obstacles that I will meet if I take this path?

I hope you take OP's advice.

>>70150948
I must wonder. What are you trying to archive?
Do you plan on making a living with your playing ?

>Do you have any source on that?
You have 10 fingers, at least one foot, a pair of ears and at least some perseverance? You're good to go.

>>70151149
Trying to become a world-class concert pianist after wasting my youth.

>>70151162
Stop impersonating me.

>>70151149
>I must wonder. What are you trying to archive?
As I said I want to become a virtuoso.
>Do you plan on making a living with your playing ?
I plan to make a living with my piano skills. I'm not really interested in doing concerts, I'm pretty sure that teaching could be enough.
Still, wether I'll become a concertist or not is irrelevant to me, what I care about is comlete mastery of the instrument.

>>70151183
>what I care about is comlete mastery of the instrument
kek

>>70151189
What's wrong about that? I would pick that path no matter what I'm doing.
Would you strive to become an average painter, or physicist?

>>70151183
Look, dude, don't let anyone here discourage you, this place is too fucking negative at times. If you want this bad enough, even if you start at 23 and practice in your free time, you can still do it, provided you already have a Fields medal, an Olympic medal, have already retired and work for the joy of winning.

>>70151162
>teaching could be enough
That most certainly is doable.
>complete mastery of the instrument
This is not though.
Even Richter used to practice right after his concerts for several hours.
The piano won't give you that satisfaction. You'll never be fully satisfied with your technicality. And don't take that as a bad thing.
Also >>70151241

>>70151241
>practice in your free time
Ah, forgot to mention it. I'm a NEET, so all my time is free. When I said that I want to spend all my free time practicing I meant that I want to spend the rest of my life practicing, if that can result in me becoming a virtuoso. I'm pretty sure I could do 10 hours/daily. I have no obligation and I could break those 10 hours however I want.

>>70151293
>I'm a NEET
Of course you are. No one had any doubts about that.

>>70151289
Instead of >>70151162
I meant
>>70151183

>>70151012
Only because suicide is the most sensible act conceivable

>>70152258
Creating a meaningful life is more sensible, anon.

>>70149495
For a minute there I was wondering when Reich had been posted

>>70152269
meaning is not possible

>>70152269
>Creating a meaningful life is more sensible, anon.
Playing piano is a beautiful way to justify your life.
I mean, at the end of the day how many ''normal'' lives are worth living? Everyone around me is a miserable sack of shit, but I'm pretty sure that they would look at their life in a completely different way if the focus of it was beauty and art. And even if you're untalented but still manage to acquire the technique, at least you can still play Bach for yourself everytime you want.

>>70152316
Well, we're having a conversation.

How to continue with Liszt?

I've been fumbling around with him ever since I heard Totentanz, which is God-tier. I've listened to Faust and Dante and the three piano whatevers. What orchestral stuff should I look into next? Preferably stuff like Totentanz.

Also what's the way to find good recordings, in terms of playing quality? How do I, a newfag, determine what is and isn't good?

>>70152336
Deconstruct it enough and you will quickly find out that this conversation was meaningless.

>>70152316
Yeah it is

Anyone know where I can download Final Alice?

>>70152953
le milkman maymay

>>70150948
>I'd rather kill myself.
Well then.

>>70152258
Living your life and having fun every day of it is actually the most conceivable.

There are too many cool things in the world to kill yourself

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>>70153801

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>>70154230

Technically you're slowly killing yourself just by living anyway.

>>70153854
*to kill yourself with

>>70152337
For fuck's sake answer my question so I can find meaning through God.

>>70154281
1. Look up lists online.

2. Don't. Get experience before.

>>70154301
I didn't find any Liszt lists that weren't literal lists of works he composed. Nothing like the Mahler flowchart.

Or does it pretty much not matter?

>>70154342
Ultimately, it doesn't. But if you're looking for popularity, YouTube views may help you with that.

>>70154281
I can only give out some of my personal favorites.

For example you could give his Beethoven Symphony transcriptions a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnS1i9bVGHU&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGOTMWTnJqg&t=234s&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=222

His Funérailles might be the closest you'll find to his Totentanz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwzOz7ezJt0&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=107

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEkDsUrmFC4&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdQ-KrZKA&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=184

The Années de pèlerinage also are stunning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2gOIQsH5GY&index=76&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0

Pensée des morte might also be interesting for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOy0D6Fgnfo&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=113

He also has some Bach transcriptions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJUs6gRf-Ao&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXhreGupp5Y&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=233


Give everything a good listen. They are at least worth that.

>>70154419
Thanks anon. This'll definitely be enough to last me today.

Have you listened to your daily Mozart piece yet /classical/?

>>70154526
>daily
more like yearly

>>70154498
You're most welcome !

>>70154526
Post your Mozart piece for today.

Posting one of his best sonatas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw4kMpi9B1I

And for contrast :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ2gFIXtgXk

>>70143796
Bach's lute works though, great for guitar.

Bumping with Fauré for the evening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLnMVfE69jg

>>70154676
Also some transcriptions of the violin partitas and cello suites.
But the guitar repertoire is severly limited, the very fact that most of the great works playable on guitar are transcriptions is quite suggestive of that. There are of course compositions specifically for guitar which are really great, like some of Barrios or maybe Tarregas stuff for instance, but i don't think they reach quite the, let's say, artistic height of those of Bach.

>>70155890
What are you talking about? The Nokia theme is one of the most recognizable melodies of all time..

>>70155890
Since they wrote specifically for guitar, their compositions are better than Bach lute suite transcriptions. The problem is only guitarists compose for guitar, not top tier composers like Bach. Transcriptions don't have the same playing tailored for the instrument.

>>70152974
It seems I will never find it.

>>70156279
You won't find it. How about buying it ?
The cd seems its money worth.
https://www.amazon.de/Del-Tredici-Final-Alice-Solti/dp/B0015U0OO6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1483722280&sr=8-3&keywords=final+alice

>>70154526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d07r_E_8Pc

>>70151183
Ay if you see this, I started playing when I got to uni, I'm three years in, completely self-taught//learned pieces off youtube. Took me two years to play really advanced pieces with ease. Started composing pieces of my own, have been told I sound like I'm in conservatory and have been playing for my entire life. In reality I just have a good ear and the piano as an instrument just speaks to me. Put in the time and it'll be insanely rewarding thing? World-class concert pianist? I don't know, a lot of those guys are child prodigies or have that extra 'thing' that you can't learn even over a lifetime. But you can become really good and probably make a career out of it with the effort.

>>70156740
insanely rewarding.*

>>70156740
>learned pieces off youtube
Which videos in particular did you use?
Just asking out of interest.

>>70156891
these kinds. I can read actual music as well but when it comes to piano I found I learned 100x faster through this. Also helped me more with memorization, for some reason I can't retain notation as easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xpoOfRc3fo

>>70156967
Is this your approach to each piece?

>>70157055
yeah. usually only need them for a week or two and then i have it

>>70145808
There is a very wide gap between being a very good / brilliant pianist and being a virtuoso.
You can become very good at piano, but never be at a virtuoso level. It's not just about talent, you don't have the dozens of years of experience behind you.

>>70154526
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vhMAhuY4DA8

>>70156231
Not sure weather they're inherently 'better' just because there written for guitar. I wouldn't think of comparing a carcassi etude to a transcribed piece by bach. And i mean the standard example is asturias by albeniz which many argue is better suited for the guitar than, like it was originally conceived, for the piano.
On the other hand though you're certainly right. I think of all the pieces transcribed Bach's work best and I'd argue many of them still are really great works of art. - I don't know, maybe it's something about this music that makes it more robust so to speak against such more or less harsh procedures of transcribing.
That being said, I think you hit the nail on the head stating that no top tier composers wrote for guitar. And I don't think Segovia could have changed that any way, as >>70143796 suggested.

>>70157123
I'm not gonna ask about technicality and musicality. Even though I would like to listen to record of you playing that Etude.
Do you know how much you're missing out with your approach?

>>70144345
lettbergs set is great all round. audio very clean

ohlsson is meantt to be good for etudes

sofronitsky for his sonatas

muti for poem of ecstacy but id just recommend ashkenazy's complete set of his symphonies, prometheus (poem of ecstacy is good with him too, but not quite the impact of muti at the end)

richter and horowitz for certain sonatas if you can be bothered googling. im not into the audio quality and iirc richter has slips but nails the style of 5

>>70144345
>>70157536
forgot to mention lettberg sometimes speeds through some of the late preludes and loses the effect

villa nails the late preludes

roger woodward has my favourite op 67 too

thats only if youre concerned with every single piece being to the ebst it can, lettberg does a fantastic job all around for his complete works

>>70157298
I had in mind Tarrega variations like Gran Jota
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1eE8YFC6aE
There's all these unique sounds guitar can make that won't get used if you're always playing transcriptions. It diminishes the advantages guitarists should have.
Bach is robust because he composed music without making it at all dependent on things like this but I'd still rather listen to a lute. Original guitar pieces aren't inherently better but transcriptions have to cope with the original instrument still being an option.

>>70157298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udClrQtmws

>>70150558
Why would you even want to? The one mistake I made in life was choosing to be a professional clarinetist. Fuck I hate classical musicians.

>>70157313
I mean of course there are more comprehensive ways to approach piano, in any case I don't have time for private lessons or working with a teacher so I figure I'm not missing out on all that much. Obviously these only display notes and basic timing, but they're good jumping-off points for me to feel the music out for myself. It takes months afterwards to get dynamics/pedaling/narrative understanding of each piece just right. Haven't recorded myself yet, I have given a few performances but the vast majority of playing is just for myself

>>70158177
explain why

>>70158177
>>70158283
Curious as well. Reasons I've heard before were along the lines of 'boring routine', 'arrogant colleagues' with 'no love for music'.

>>70158283
>>70158511
I promise to respond in the next few hours in this thread or the next. My instruments call to me to practice.

What is the name of the piece with a horn solo at the beginning.
I think it was by strauss or around his time period. And I think it had a very long name.

>>70153801
it may be the most conceivable but sensible it is not

NEW THREAD >>70159027

NEW THREAD >>70159027

NEW THREAD >>70159027

>>70158961
Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks

>>70159232
thanks

>>70138911
No. 23, 29, and 32