>Taylor swift rekt

There is nothing wrong with not supporting streaming sites.

>>70132749
This. She has every right in the world to want to sell her music as a tangible good. Everything else seems legit though, the media really does doll her up as this wittle cutie that couldn't hurt a fly when in reality she's a self absorbed brat

SNEK

>>70132693
>Tumblr hates Tay-Tay
Makes me like her even more tbqhwyf

>>70132693
IT HAS BEGUN

>>70132693

I bet she tried really hard to not throw "white" somewhere in there.

>>70132693
>Can we talk about
>>70132749
>hey, want to join our commercial music platform
>no, I think I'm gonna lose money on it
>greedy bitch

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>>70132693
IT HAS BEGIN

>>70132693
>305ghetto

dropped

>>70133001
>wait aren't you already rich?
>well yes but I don't want to lose more money
Taytayfags in full suicide watch

>>70133136
>I have money so I'm ok with losing it

That's how you spot someone who will be poor for life

>>70132693
>as if he didn't giver her every everything she has
Communist logic. It's her own effort that gave her what she has, not an infinitely compiling third party she's ever been associated with.

>>70133136
>wanting to lose money at all
Looks like somebody's not very good with money.

>>70133158
She makes her money in touring and licensing though, not actual album sales.

Nice try though.

what's 'social justice'?

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>>70133165
>It's her own effort that gave her what she has
Thanks for making me smile. I needed it.

>>70133173
>>70133158
So it's all about money and not letting her art be heard by her fans?

>pretending blaqs didn't always hate taytay

>>70133195
if it was about the latter it'd make more sense to just release it for free

>>70133165
The cold hard facts about Taylor Swift:

>Taylor Alison Swift's father, Scott Kingsley Swift, was a financial advisor, and her mother, Andrea Gardner (née Finlay) Swift, was a homemaker who worked previously as a mutual fund marketing executive
Mommy and Daddy's money, father was a third generation stockbroker

> In 2003, Swift and her parents started working with New York-based music manager Dan Dymtrow. With his help, Swift modelled for Abercrombie & Fitch as part of their "Rising Stars" campaign
Groomed to be a model since she was a child.

>Swift worked with experienced Music Row songwriters such as Troy Verges, Brett Beavers, Brett James, Mac McAnally, and The Warren Brothers.[25][26] They began meeting for two-hour writing sessions every Tuesday afternoon after school.[28]
Tutored by proffessional songwriters

>Swift caught the attention of Scott Borchetta, a DreamWorks Records executive who was preparing to form his own independent record label, Big Machine Records. She became one of the first signings, and her father purchased a three percent stake in the fledgling company at an estimated cost of $120,000.
Mommy and Daddy literally bought the label so it would sign her.

>Scott Borchetta spent two years working as an independent promoter before working in promotion and artist development at several other record labels, including MCA Nashville Records, DreamWorks Nashville and Universal Music Nashville.[6]
>A different form of payola has been used by the record industry through the loophole of being able to pay a third party or independent record promoters ("indies"; not to be confused with independent record labels), who will then go and "promote" those songs to radio stations. Offering the radio stations "promotion payments," the independents get the songs that their clients, record companies, want on the playlists of radio stations around the country.
His job was literally to bribe radio, television and other media to play his label's music.

>>70132846
LMAO YAAAAAS THIS IS EVERYTHAN

[spoiler]I hate black twitter memes so much[/spoiler]

>>70133195
>you don't want to lose money THEREFORE you hate your fans
try again bucko

>>70133291
>THEREFORE
Strawman

Couldn't it be possible she's a greedy little bitch?

>>70132693
I MADE THAT BITCH FAMOUS

>>70132693
This. Taylor Swift is the fakest bitch out there. Just ask Ed Droste.

>>70134213
>bitch
did you ask her if it was okay to call her that

>>70133316
Could be. But you have no evidence to support it do for so

>>70133219
Can you please provide sources for this?

Not saying I doubt that this kind of corruption runs rampant throughout the music industry, I'm not that naive. It's just genuinely interesting to read about.

FWIW it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of her music either

>>70132948
>DUDE EVERYTHING TUMBLR DOES SUCKS LMAO

>>70134225
No because she doesn't deserve my desire for permission

>>70133078
I bet shes enjoying her new implants

>>70134260
This is literally true, why don't you provide some counterexamples?

>>70134316
http://bimbocandy.tumblr.com/

>>70134243
>But you have no evidence to support it do for so
See >>70132693 and >>70133219

>>70134259
>Can you please provide sources for this?
Does common knowledge require a source?
>FWIW it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of her music either
Just so you admit you believe in the lie.

>>70134316
>literally

are you you yourself from tumblr?

also tumblr has everything, blogs that cover every possible topic, blogs that cover the whole political spectrum. the perceived SJW culture that is 4chan's boogeyman is only a very vocal portion of the site's user base. you can easily use tumblr and complete avoid those types of blogs

>>70134213
What does Grizzlyman have against Tay-Tay, lol

>>70132693
>talks passionately about issues pertaining to her but never about actual social justice issues

so what? she can sing about whatever she wants. not even a taylor swift fan, but I believe any artist, whatever the genre, shouldn't absolutely have to adress social issues in their music. also, Beyonce dropped an album about her celebrity gossip tier drama with Jay Z and it was praised everywhere. I wonder why.

>>70135483
Are you trying to say that Taylor never made songs about celebrity gossip tier drama or that she's never been a media darling because I can't figure out which one is stupider.

>>70135540
I'm saying she did and people complain about it, but when Beyonce does it, it's genius.

>>70135552
People were overall positive about taylor until quite recently.

She's a little too fucking greedy to be honest. For someone as rich and famous she should be okay with streaming sites and shit like that, she's not losing money, she just isn't making a few more cents.

>>70135669
>it's a moral imperative to earn money for big companies even if you're losing on it
why don't you just say they should release it for free why this half measure

>>70133078
DAMN TAYLOR SWIFT LOOKS LIKE *THAT*

>>70132981

How can you not? Fucking spokesperson for Target. If everyone in the suburbs died she's have no audience.

>>70135696
>earn money for big companies
Like Big Machine Records?

If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it. But she won't because it's not enough $ for her (which also implies she thinks her music is more valuable than everyone else's)

>>70134365
Neither of these posts indicate that she's greedy. Just that the people running her business are make practical choices on how to sell her music.

>Does common knowledge require a source?
Seeing that it's not even close to common knowledge, I'd say sources would be helpful to your arguments.

>>70135769
So every band that doesn't release their music for free don't care about their fans got you.

>>70136498
>if it only benefits me and not the fans, it's practical
OK
>Seeing that it's not even close to common knowledge
Did you google the text to see where it originated?

>>70134365
How is any of that common knowledge that anyone besides Taylor Swift superfans would know

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>real social justice issues

>>70132693
Fucking good on her. Making money in music industry is hard, you should get all you can take. Good girl.

>>70136552
Show me where Spotify releases music for free
>>70136587
You don't know what payola means? You don't know who signed her? You don't know who invested in the label?

>>70136559
From a financial standpoint, yeah it's practical. And I'm not disputing the sources. I'm just saying it's idiotic to say the history of some pop star is "common knowledge" and doesn't require sources.

>>70136764
>Show me where Spotify releases music for free
Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

>>70133316
>Strawman
it was heavily implied and we all know it

>>70136778
>financial
>art
Seems like we have a problem
>I'm just saying it's idiotic to say the history of some pop star is "common knowledge" and doesn't require sources.
I don't know how to respond without you thinking that you know less about music than I, so I'm just not going to respond
>>70136819
>heavily implied
Please stick to actual arguments instead of putting words into my mouth in order to be right
>>70136794
Don't break your back moving goalposts anon!

>>70134365
>evidence
>a tumblr post and a copypasta
hmm

>>70136856
>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it

>>70136865
You didn't research for yourself?

That's OK I forgot that we often spoonfeed babies
>>70136896
Not seeing you answer my question here.

Where does Spotify release music for free?

>>70136937
Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

>>70136950
Show me where I said she should release it for free

>>70136960
>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it

>>70136972
Not seeing the words "release it for free".

Try again?

>>70137003
Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

>>70137018
>>70136960

>>70137033
>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it

>>70136856
>So it's all about money and not letting her art be heard by her fans?

If the "therefore" is not there, this argument means absolutely nothing

>>70136937
>You didn't research for yourself?
>That's OK I forgot that we often spoonfeed babies

You were claiming that all the arguments you need are portrayed in a tumblr post and a copypasta. I disagree. Now you are claiming yourself that further research is needed, and thus your previous post is moot garbage. I still want evidence, but you're refusing to provide proper sources.

>>70137057
>Please answer my Strawman!
Stop
>>70137091
>If the "therefore" is not there, this argument means absolutely nothing
I didn't say "therefore". What are you talking about?
>You were claiming that all the arguments you need are portrayed in a tumblr post and a copypasta.
No, I never mentioned tumblr or copypasta. Not sure what you mean.
>Now you are claiming yourself that further research is needed
Well, you are wondering where this information comes from, it would require research, wouldn't it?
>I still want evidence,
Where have you looked thus far?

>>70137173
>Strawman
no

>>70137195
Yes, because you are attempting to hold me accountable to something I never said.

Thanks for the discussion though. Maybe you've learned something about music marketing

>>70137173
>No, I never mentioned tumblr or copypasta. Not sure what you mean.

>>70134365
> >>70134243
> >But you have no evidence to support it do for so
> See >>70132693 (OP) and >>70133219

>>70132693
>sued her old guitar teacher
Source?

Also, she's on Apple Music and Google Play as far as I know.

>>70137225
Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

>>70137232
I'm looking for the words "tumblr" and "copypasta" and I don't see them in those posts.

Try again.

>>70137225
>>70135769
>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it.

Releasing something for free is literally the easiest method for fans to get it.

>>70137262
okay you got me there lul

>>70132820
Does anyone who talks about "le mainstream media" actually read mainstream media? When that Kimye thing happened it was on the front page of tons of gossip magazine.

>>70137343
>Releasing something for free is literally the easiest method for fans to get it.
Not really because it devalues the music itself. It inherently needs a price, and thus cannot be given away for free and is certainly not the easiest way.

>>70137385
Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.
No 'devalues' is not an answer no one fucking cares and it'd apply to streaming as well.

>>70133189
The idea that privileges should be equally distributed throughout society

>>70137400
Releasing music with no value is not convenient for fans. Would you want valueless music?

>>70137425
It's not valueless to me if I like it you fucking idiot. Kys you fucking cancer on humanity.

>>70137440
>if I like it
Not relevant. We are talking about the value of music, not how you perceive it.

>>70137385
"This thing is not as valuable because it costs less".

Personally I'd rather pay someone who released a great work for free and pay them in some fashion later (via live shows, merch etc) instead of have some mediocre work that you can only listen to if you pay for it.

>>70137468
>Not relevant.
Wrong kys.
>We are talking about the value of music
Yes.
>not how you perceive it.
No contradiction.

Kys.

>>70133219

Is this supposed to be surprising? She's a top 40 pop star, of course she was a stage child with rich parents. People should really see how deep the rabbit hole is when they realize that 'authentic' rocks acts like Red ot Chilli Peppers. The Strokes and Courtney Love became famous through these and avenues: nepotism and wealth.

>>70137475
>"This thing is not as valuable because it costs less".
Correct.
>Personally
Not relevant.
>>70137511
>kys
Sorry if you think the conversation is over. Again, I hope you learned something today about how pretend "art" is created and shoved down certain people's throats, who in turn think they actually want it.

>>70137548
>I hope you learned something today about how pretend "art" is created and shoved down certain people's throats, who in turn think they actually want it.
Why, that has nothing to do with anything you said.

>>70137594
We weren't talking about marketing music?

Please read the thread.

>>70132693

What's wrong with an artist not talking outside of their art and wanting only legitimate sales?

she's a musical capitalist, and that's it

If you gave her resources growing up to any random half decent YouTube guitar cover girl I guarantee you'd end up with the same result

>>70132749
Yeah Thom York did the same shit but you don't see /mu/ jumping to attack him. Other shit is still valid though.

>>70137818
>taylor swift
>not talking outside of their art
>>70137630
No we were talking about delivering it.

>>70137887
>No we were talking about delivering it.
You mean a marketing ploy in itself?

Sure

>>70137548
value is subjective, especially in a free market economy such as the US

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>>70134213
i hate ed droste but am not a fan of taylor swift either
really makes me think

>>70137963
don't bother he's probably a stupid marxist trying to defend ltv

>>70132820

>self absorbed brat

You know, I'm about as far away from ra-ra feminism bullshit there is, but being a smart business woman doesn't make her a brat. In fact using the term brat is pretty lame and dismissive especially when it's coming from an inferiority complex.

>>70137528
Yeah its not surprising in the least. Even a lot of the popular "indie"/pitchfork-core artists are trust fund kiddies with connections.

>>70137982
He's literally not, though. You do realize he's trolling, right? Of course I have responded to several of his replies, but at least I'm a self-aware replyfag.

>>70134213
>believing anything that butt pirate Clinton shill says
On second thought it may be true

>>70138026

And at least Taylor isn't trying to put off some "authentic", indie vibe.

She's a fucking pop star.

>>70134259
None of that is really corruption, save for maybe the last bit. In literally every industry and field imaginable, the people with privilege and connections have a leg up.

Why would music be an exception.

>>70137963
>value is subjective
When you try to buy something at the store, do you make a counter offer and say "Oh it's subjective"? No of course not, because that's not how economics works

>>70138153
subjective value theory is exactly how economics work you marxist retard
just because The Great Neckbeard wrote something doesn't make it true and no "you're not thinking dialectically!" isn't a defence it's fucking a cop out

>>70137415
>The idea that privileges should be equally distributed throughout society

So, no privileges at all?

>>70132693
waaah waaah a pop star doesn't want people using her name and likeness without permission and doesn't hate white people enough

>>70138220
Non argument.

Who buys your groceries for you?

>>70138153
Why can I find one product for one price in one store and another price in another store? Why do products "devalue" over time? It's the same product, so why wouldn't the price be the same?

Because people think they're worth less, that's why. Because once a new product comes out, the older product becomes obsolete in the eyes of the public, so the price declines. Ten years ago, you could get a vinyl record for ten dollars less than you can now because people (mainly hipster cunts) view LPs more favorably now.

>>70138267
>Non argument.
This isn't better than "you're not thinking dialectically!".
>Who buys your groceries for you?
WTF I hate neoclassical economics now oh wait no I don't kys marxist scum.

>>70138313
>Why can I find one product for one price in one store and another price in another store?
Competition =/= subjectivity
>>70138318
Non argument.

>>70138484
>Non argument.
This isn't better than "you're not thinking dialectically!".
>Competition =/= subjectivity
WTF I hate neoclassical economics now oh wait no I don't kys marxist scum.

>>70138484
what determines the value of a service or product?

>>70133078
0% curve

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>>70138679
you suck at counting

>>70133001
>ok well how about we pay more for it
>get the fuck away from me I don't need you shitty streaming site

Also the kanye incident. Taylor is a greedy bitch. Prove me wrong.

>>70138733
shes a plank.

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>>70138926
I think you need to read a book.

>>70134167
got dam

>>70138733
>>70138926

she has improved a lot compared to other images of her.
She probably had a boob job and she started doing squats.

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>>70139126
>>70138926
>>70138679
prole aesthetics

>>70139156

Thank Mr. Skeltal

So Taylor's acting like a whore, and not unlike any uptight egomaniac A-list celebrity slut from Hollywood?

Color me surprised.

>>70139580
Dont tell me what to do.

>>70138246
Suing fans on Etsy is just low. She has every legal right to do so, but ethically is it really justifiable?

Are these people really hurting her by making a few quick bucks on the internet? Something tells me she'll be rich and famous no matter what some nobodies are selling.

>>70136856
>Mainstream pop is art and isn't all about money.
Okay, bud.

And just because you researched Taylor Swift's personal history does not mean that suddenly that information becomes "common knowledge", you absolutely moron.

>>70141024
>If I stay willfully ignorant, I won't have to acknowledge common knowledge

>>70141176
I think the problem is you just don't understand the concept of "common knowledge"

>>70139774
"fans"

>>70139774
>but ethically is it really justifiable?

Yes.

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>driving down a desolate country road, nothing but long green fields in all directions
>up ahead you see what looks like an old, beat-up truck pulled off the road with hood up and the driver’s door open
>as you pass by you hear the engine turning over and see Taylor Swift in the driver’s seat
>she looks up hopefully at you as you drive past, desperate for help
>you pull over and walk towards her truck
>Taylor smiles at you happily as you walk towards the cab
>when you reach the open door you see she’s wearing a beautiful short black dress
>she’s kicked off her heels and pushed them under the seat
>“Hi…” she says nervously, brushing her hair behind her ear
>“Um, my truck just died on me, do you know anything about fixing cars?”
>“Here’s what happens when I try to start it”
>Tay presses the gas pedal all the way down, her bare foot arched on the pedal
>she turns the key and cranks the engine and starts pumping the gas pedal desperately
>she rocks back and forth with the motion, her hair bobbing up and down as she stares into the dash, her mouth half agape in concentration
>she stops, sighs, and looks at you, brushing her now-messy hair behind her ear again
>you lie and tell her you can help, then go stand in front of the open hood
>you don’t know shit about cars and stand there pretending to fix something

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>>70141519
>go back to the door and tell her to try again
>Taylor desperately works the gas pedal and bounces up and down again
>“Come on baby,” she urges sweetly as the engine turns over desperately
>you continually pretend to fix something on her truck and tell her to keep trying
>Tay seems to really appreciate your help even though it’s not working
>you assure her you’ll get it this time and go back to the front of the truck
>this time Taylor gets out of the truck and follows you, eyeing you with a sly smile
>she knows you haven’t been doing anything
>“So what do we do now?” she asks bashfully, leaning on the fender next to you
>you don’t know what to do and you’re nervous
>you nervously stammer you’ve tried everything you can think of
>“Well what did you do?” she asks, squinting at you skeptically
>blank
>uhhhhhhh…
>she rolls her eyes exaggeratedly and smiles
>“Well I guess I could try again,” she says, walking back to the door
>Taylor tries to start the truck again, coaxing it extra sweetly this time
>it doesn’t start
>Taylor moans disappointedly and rests her head on the steering wheel, facing you
>she stares into your eyes as she slowly rubs the pedal up and down with her bare foot
>“Would YOU start for me if I did that to YOU?” she asks, biting her lip
>“I bet you would”

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>tumblr

>>70141621
>Camille Paglia
>tumblr

>>70141315
Oh yeah, I forgot I know more than you are other people. My mistake I suppose

She's an artist. In a capitalist society art is a product. It's her product. She can choose how she sells it. Don't like it, don't buy it, but drop the morality posturing.

>>70133195
>taylor swift
>art

Typical Moon In Cancer

>>70141773
Poptimists on full suicide watch

>>70138225
If no one had any privileges it'd be a meritocracy. Not saying it's possible but it's a nice idea.

>>70141621
Is Taytay /ourgirl/?

>>70141383
Yes, fans. A lot of these people weren't even making money, they just wanted to share Taylor themed stuff because they loved her music so much.

>>70142487
oh so they were illegally competing with her merchandise without even making money of it themselves
how selfless of them

>>70141668
Wanna take another go at that sentence, bud?

>>70142853
Should be obvious via context

>>70142934
Yes, had you made a coherent sentence, I may have understood per context. Seems to me like you're still arguing that specific knowledge on TaySwift is general knowledge. Yah know. Because most everyone knows those "cold facts" you listed earlier, right? You easily ask anyone off the street and they could easily tell you one of these facts, huh?

>>70143325
Since it's common knowledge, I was assume so

>>70143549
"Ruh roh. Looks like this guy may have a point. Better revert to troll mode to save face."

>>70143599
>Ruh roh
what did he mean by this

>>70142459
Only if she lets me fuck her.

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>>70143628

>>70143599
>Better revert to troll mode
[citation needed]