/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

I've got a vintage strat (pickups unmodified single coiled) and an ESP EC50. What is the next electric I should look at getting to add to my collection? I'm thinking maybe a Les Paul or a semi-acoustic like a Gretsch or Gibson ES

should I learn theory relating to guitar playing or music theory in general?

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>>69990270
>a semi-acoustic like a Gretsch or Gibson ES

That's what I would go for. I would get an Epiphone Lucille for maximum tone variety abilities with the varitone switch.

4th for acousticore

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>>69990386
fug

uke dude holdin' it down

reposting from previous thread #research #infogathering

hey guitar friends, a few questions for the performers among you

how does it feel to play live? i'm hoping to get on stage at some point in 2017 and i've never done it before outside of playing in recitals at school when i was around nine or ten. i spend all my free time watching shows and reading about musicians and it just looks like the best possible time a person can have. bring me back to reality and tell me what it's like for you

what stuff do you / does your band play when you perform live? do you sing or play any other instruments on stage too? what kind of gear do you use? how do you know when a show has gone well or gone badly? any standouts / horror stories? i want to hear about as much as i can

>>69990537
I've never played live but I fear my hands would become too shaky to even play my guitar. Is this a possibility to happen or irrational?

>>69990256
fuck yeah marc ribot

best guitarist in the fucking game

>>69990302
Learn everything

>>69990797
o-okay

>No matter how much you practice bass you'll never be this good and sing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mCY88iuzo0#t=134.358752

>>69990134
Most likely, do you have a specific example sound?

>>69990537
I've never played live but I jam with my friends quite a bit. I'm not sure what you've done and not, but jamming seems like a good start. Have you figured out if you actually enjoy playing in a jam/multiple people setting even? It should be the same minus stage fright.

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$150 in Amazon gift cards.
What buy?
Hardmode.
No shitty practice amps or guitars. May exceed the $150 but not more than $200.
Don't fail me /gear general/

>>69990270
Heritage H-150

>>69990537
I play live around 3 times a week, I've had more bad shows than I can count, but we always have fun and just goof around on stage, we just play open mics around town and its always in front of the same 30 to 40 people that are also musicians in the local music scene

>>69991316
https://www.amazon.com/Chet-Atkins-Guitar-Play-Along-Leonard/dp/1458402991/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1483103230&sr=8-3&keywords=chet+atkins+guitar+book

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Chet-Atkins-Guitar-Method/dp/0786691476/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483103230&sr=8-2&keywords=chet+atkins+guitar+book

>>69991316
I've heard a lot of good things about those joyo tube amps. So if you dont have a tube amp i would suggest one of those.

If you already have an amp, I would get a pedal (or maybe a few of those joyo pedals) but you can't really get any boutique pedals for 150$, so I'd probably go with something from EHX. unless you don't have a looper, get a looper.

Basically it really depends on what you do or don't have and what you need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nS8dL6YI38
how do I go to a music shop and ask for a test drive and not look like those guys

>>69990537
I sing and play either electro-acoustic or electric.

I don't know about others, but I'm a slow starter.
I feel awful at first, so I always make sure we start with songs that are easy (not too high for the voice, and not too complicated for the guitar)
with a good rythm.
Basically a classic rock song with dem powerchords. Something easy to do and easy to like.

And then, I can be myself and play normally the other songs.

Of course it's just some performance in the middle of nowhere, but whatever.

>>69991572
Just mind the volume you're playing at and don't try to put on a show, not really hard to do so.

>>69991572
Don't they have rooms?

My local place has 3 semi soundproof room for test drives

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Are the modern player series any good? I like the idea of a humbucker on a tele but the price tag (cheaper than standard fender strats/teles) is making me think that it's a subpar instrument.

Also anybody here used a HH tele before? how are they?

rate my bass playing https://a.clyp.it/tmlwbvp1.mp3

didnt really learn the song just watched a cover and went recording this

>>69991686
They suck, they're made in China in the same factory as the squiers. Basically rebranded squiers.

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I want to buy a Vintage V100 as an a upgrade to my current LP copy but its string spacing is larger and i have small hands

FUUUUUUUUCK

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>>69991460
Good, didn't even know those existed.

>>69991466
Saw these at a show last year, forgot all about them.

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>>69991974
this is current one

>>69991686
It's from the same factories that make the Classic Vibe Squier's.
I own the Jazzmaster and it's bretty good desu.
Don't expect too much of it but the feedbacks I had were good.

>>69991863
>t. blooze lawyer that won't play on a sub $1500 guitar

>>69992125
the minimum is actually more around 1100$ tbqh

>>69992125
>paying Fender prices for Squier quality

Literally just paying for a decal dude.

>>69991863
>>69992125
I wouldn't pay more than €150 for a chinese guitar, they're ass.
(luthiers excluded, but if I'm going to buy from a luthier I'm buying local)

What brand/series is the current standard of electric guitar quality? The kind of guitar you might buy when you've been playing for a year and want to move up from a beginner guitar

>>69992192
The price is almost the same as the Classic Vibe Squier's and the models are pretty interesting (single/dual coil switch...)

>>69991711
your tone is good but I hate the sansamp style distortion which kinda ruins it. also please spare my ears and make your track stereo next time.

timing is usually good but sometimes sloppy during the more intricate parts. dynamic could also use some practice. overall your playing is good though, wouldn't complain if I heard you at a gig.

>>69990381
A varitone switch isn't gonna give you many tone varieties desu, they're shit

>>69991993
>that sweater
>that studio
>that guitar

this picture is kino

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>>69990256
Finished my pedalboard, I'll tuck the cables underneath it and tidy it up a bit, but this is it.

>>69992407
Not this guy, I don't know about varitone, but I rewired my Strat with TBX, and despite all the hate I really like it.

>>69990302
What's been helping me is learning general music theory that can be used for any instrument, but also improvisation techniques for the guitar.

I tried Chinese pedals, some are great
I tried some pickups as well, and a few are actually good
I know there are some good amps as well

So, has anyone tried Chinese guitars?
(Like ordering one directly from China, not a branded one you buy in murrica)

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guys how do I unlearn this shit
hands hurts like a bitch after playing for a longer while

>>69992960

No I haven't

where did you order them from

>>69992960
Heard many stories from people. Usually they use pretty good wood and materials in general but overall you can't really trust them to give a fuck about actually assembling the guitars properly. I'd buy a body and neck from China and use that as a platform, but not a complete guitar.

>>69992979
After learning classical guitar, my thumb had a rigid position.
Then I learnt some Hendrix parts and chords shapes.

>>69993019
I ordered my pedals and pickups from aliexpress, donnerdeals and the like

For pedals you can't go wrong with Joyo, donner/rowin (clones of mooer, which is already a clone), some Nux are good as well

Most of my pedalboard consists of 20€ pedals.

>>69992292
there's so many little things that guitar makers do wrong that would be fixed if they shamelessly copied companies like J.E.T guitars or Duesenberg

>>69992979
You shouldn't, you're just positioning wrong because it shouldn't hurt when you play.
If your position is right and comfortable then it boils down to you using too much pressure.
When you grip the guitar you shouldn't have to support the neck up with the left hand. This is best alleviated by tilting the neck at a 45 degree angle, this keeps it stable and the left hand can now focus solely on playing.

>>69993031
I'm sorry if I sound arrogant but I'm not about to learn classical guitar just so I can fix my retarded thumb
>>69993146
so I should only press on the neck with my 2-5 fingers without putting pressure from the thumb at all? seems like it would cause a lot of stability issues

There's not a single chord played with the thumb that couldn't be played without it.
Prove me wrong /gg/

Pro-tip: You can't.

>>69993179
You've got it backwards.
With classical guitar, my thumbs was rigid.

Trying to play and imitate Hendrix fixed my habit

>>69993215
oh, sorry

>>69993179
It shouldn't need to be a huge amount, I'm not sure how you're managing to injure yourself doing something that I've done for hours while practicing for recitals.
You're doing something wrong and change your left hand to a monkey grip will cripple your ability to stretch and you can no longer use the thumb as a pivot.

>>69991686
Do not buy theyre pretty much Squiers with a different name. MiM fenders are pretty good quality at this point avoid chinkshit if you're spending over $250 at all costs.

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>>69993202
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>>69993024
Well yeah, I guess it's the best way.
But I admit I wanted to try a LP, which makes things a little bit more complicated compared to a Strat.

>>69993292
You could probably barre the 2 nut-most frets with the first finger at an angle, relaxing it in the middle to mute the D string, fretting the rest with fingers 2, 3, and 4.

>>69992979
Fellow hitchhiker's thumb guitarist here. Grab your neck more lightly, and at an angle like >>69993146 said, your thumb shouldn't bend backwards like that.
The pressure on the strings should come from your fore-arm and not your fingers.

>>69993292
I can do that without the thumb, just barre sideways.

>>69993298
what are you playing on even, a ukulele ?

>>69993352
>what are you playing on even, a ukulele ?
Try it with your thumb on the other side of the neck. I think it's the only way to make that large stretch unless you have Vai hands.

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>>69990256
i got this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72cg_hWFQ-A

>>69993024
>they use pretty good wood

The thing that gets me is they seemingly have access to wood that looks amazing and is controlled in the US and Europe, then go and drill bridge holes 1/4 inch off centre

>>69993292
Cross fret barre between position VI/VII
That's a straight forward one.

>>69993080
Went into Duesenberg's website and got a hardon for the 49er. Will probably get that one if I ever spend a bunch of money on a guitar, sexy as fug

>>69993372
I often stretch across 5/6 frets (easier to skip string a 9th/3rd at the upper octave) and I really don't get how you'd fret that with your thumb, I can do 3-9 if I really stretch it out with my thumb on the back of the neck.
Also if you had a 7 string, you'd just do (8 x x x x 10 10) and it would put much less strain on your hands.

>>69993264
I'm not getting everything from your post but I'm guessing i should tilt my left hand more instead of making it near perpendicular to the fretboard and put more pressure on the fingers that are actually on the fretboard. thanks
>>69993352
I just googled hitchhicker's thumb and kek I thought it was normal.
okay then, how should I position my thumb? should it be more parallel to the neck?

>>69993352
>>69993417
If I cross barre I mute the high e string because the angle of your entire hand moves. Harder than it looks .

>>69993493
I'll give it a try in a couple minutes and post a pic when successful.

>>69993517
yeah nevermind I can get it to ring out but I have to put my thumb way back on the neck. I think it's easier to just use the thumb. Pat Metheny does it all the times for voicings like that.

Any good, cheap, pedalboards you'se guys can recommend? I don't feel like spending 100 bucks on aluminum and a bag from pedaltrain again

>>69993434
>I just googled hitchhicker's thumb and kek I thought it was normal.
I thought the same until people noticed it a few years ago and thought it was freaky.
Personally I have my neck at a 45° angle, and the thumb is simply pointing at the headstock, almost "fused" with the neck itself, and I use it as some sort of hinge/pivot point when going from the lowest strings to the highest.
No idea if this is the "proper classical" method of fretting since I've never taken any lessons, but it's what feels the best to me.

>>69993493
No issues for me, might just have to do with your hands or your guitar, I'm playing on a flat radius (16")

>>69993572
I hope you don't play vidya. Turn off angle snapping or get a better mouse.

>>69993569
Buy a second-hand one.
I bought an used Gator pedal tote XL for 40€

>>69993600
>and the thumb is simply pointing at the headstock, almost "fused" with the neck itself
tired doing it some time ago but kept going back to retard mode over and over again
guess I have to keep practicing

I'm 19 and thinking about learning how to play the guitar. Am I too old lads? I really want to be able to play an instrument, I would practice it for hours a day as I barely attend college and spend most of my days listening to music or watching films.

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>playing drums

>>69993735
>no space
>no money
>too much noise(not that I have a problem with this, but drums in an apartment is a bad idea)

>>69993774
The too old thing is a myth by people too lazy or too busy to practice. If you want to do it go for it.

>>69993791
Really? Drums seem so mundane though, I really want to play guitar. I understand I won't be some virtuoso but with some practice could I become good?

wew it's time for that part of the thread where someone posts a metric fuckton of low quality bait

>>69993834
okay but setting up a nice loop and just drumming along is so fun

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>>69993863
>drum player when mommy comes home and says she has a headache

>>69993853
Thanks man, think I will

>>69993898
I'd rather be gay than play this

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>>69993898
what kinda mickey mouse ass band you gon' play in that's only got drums and nothin else nigga

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>drum players when his roommates threaten to throw him out for banging on his primitive cling clang machines too much and he has to drop another grand on an electric set

>>69993930
>which is inherently gay as fuck
that's not what your girlfriend said after that all time low concert

>>69993327
They seem to mess up the easiest things, like cutting the nut or exactly like >>69993413 pointed out. You can always fix them up but I'd rather have the guitar without any pickups or hardware installed, no holes drilled only the routing done, to finish it myself. Make a nut, install the hardware and pickups, do some fretwork and you should have a great guitar. The finish could be slightly dodgy in some places but that's usually it.

>tfw preprogrammed drum loops to jam over that will always stay in time and never descend into endless bars of fills

how do you know your stage is level?

the drummer is drooling from both sides of his mouth

>>69992407
Did BBKing really use varitone on his guitar?

what do you call someone who hangs out with musicians?

a drummer

>>69993996
>congacuck doesn't even have his own regular thread so he decides to shitpost in others' threads

what has three legs and an asshole?

a drum stool

>>69993975
Actually I think it'd be better to only buy the body from China (praying that the neck socket has standards dimensions)
an used gibson/warmoth or whatever neck
and start from there.

Well not that I'll start anytime soon. I'm still having fun with my upgraded MIM strat and my Chinese pedals

>>69993980
>drummer friend asks me to jam once a week
>tell him I am busy every time he asks
>the real reason is every other bar for him equates to a shitty drum fill and we can't play or make a coherent song because of it
>meanwhile I am /comfy/ in my bedroom with drum loops

>>69994092
One of my friends kept trying to get the rest of us to play Judas Priest so we threatened to replace him with a drum machine if he didn't stop.

>>69994092
Fills are the minor pentatonic licks of drumming

>>69994115
I'm in a similar situation. dude plays ridiculously loud and considers fills more important than proper timing.

told him half a dozen fucking times already. nothing changes.

>>69994139
Judas Priest is great though.

>>69993735
>not just playing both
banging sticks on random stuff isn't exactly playing drums but it's as close as I'll get and it's plenty of fun. And you get benefits for both instruments.

>>69993752
Yeah bad habits are hard to get rid of, and every self-taught player is going to have some, but noticing them is probably the hardest and most important part.

>>69994080
>even has the long hair
spot on.

>>69994161
>grab stick
>bang on drum
Did I get it right?

>>69994080
Just need read the chords written on top.
Or guess the key thanks to the # or b, and noodle with pentatonics

[spoiler]yes I use spoilers, even if it does not work.
I can read music sheets, so what?[/spoiler]

>>69994161
I'd start by re-arranging that terrible set-up.

>>69994115
Whenever we did jam I told him if he were to do fills that he keep them in time, but after the dozen times I told him to stop with incessant fills I just quit jamming with him.

>>69994221
you should have started a metallica cover band, you had the perfect Lars

>>69994161
Please, anon, I can count to four.

The only one of my friends that learned drums in high school was a kid with divorced parents and a pretty rich dad so he had a lot of space and money to spend on drum stuff. We thought this was great because we had like three guitar players and two bassists already until we realized he wouldn't let us play at his house if we didn't play his favorite songs so none of us did and he got mad when we put a flier in the band room to find someone to play drums.

>>69992363
thanks man

i'll try using just the amps saturation next time

any tips on improving timing consistency
how to use dynamic on such hard song

>>69994308
kek

>>69994308
>three guitar players
Put one on bass
>two + one bassists
Put two on drums
> two drummers
Put one on the cow bell
>kick the cow bell player out
Fixed it.

The only drummer I know is the most autistic person I have ever met. He also anger issues

>>69994076
>Gibson neck
Aren't LPs set neck or neck through?

>>69994346
practice slow, of course. make sure every note sounds clean and even, and starts and ends at the right time.

in addition, record yourself, play it back and listen for any such issues.

neither your timing nor your right hand dynamics were bad at all. I noticed you only struggled with them during the harder parts, and after long rests.

practice those licks to a tick and I'm sure everything will sound stellar.

>>69994521
but it's scientific fact that drummers are retards

there is empirical evidence to support that claim, and it's "all drummers"

>>69994562
here let me source my claim
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>>69994521

I hope you drown in (You)s motherfucker

>>69994622
interesting, this only proves my point further. If you look closely at many of those pictures, it clearly shows drums being superior to guitars?

>>69990381
is that that dude greg that manages to make every single guitar and amp sound exactly the same blooz dentist department store muzak

>>69994639
that's a fine hypothesis but sadly it's invalid due to the fact that it was emitted by a drummer, and drummers are, as we all know, retards

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>>69993572
>he lacks the talent to be proficient in both guitar and drums

>>69994622
The only thing you've proven is one drummer can derail an entire guitar thread because people like you fall for bait.

What comes first:

Nut shaping and filing and such,

Bridge and saddle adjustments,

or Fret Leveling?

>>69993569
just get a piece of wood and put velcro on it

Did Roman buy a drumset now?

>>69994696
>implying talent exists

>>69994750
fret level
nut installation, shaping
trussrod adustment
bridge adjustment

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Posting my Frankenstein bass I built over the past week.

>>69994750
Fret Leveling > Nut Filing (make sure the slots aren't too low just in case)> Bridge Adjustments > Final nut slotting.

>>69994790
Thanks

>>69994790
Your neck has to be perfectly straight for a proper fret level. Truss rod adjustment would be first.

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>>69994750
>Fret Leveling
Learn how to use the fuckin' truss rod.
Seriously, I've never had to do this.

>>69994797

fuckin badass cunt

>>69994839
You're a fucking idiot. You insult me because you never had to make a particular adjustment on your guitar?

>>69994839
Unleveled frets are one of the most common causes of string buzz. In your pic if you were to wear down frets 1-5 it would still buzz from frets 9 and up.

>>69994839
Trust rod adjustment =/= fixing leveling issues.

>>69994839
unless you have stainless steel frets, your frets will need to be leveled sooner or later

>>69994869 I'm not insulting you. I'm trying to save your sorry ass.
Many guitars over many years and never have I had to level frets. It's the worst meme here. A tweak of the truss is all you should ever need. Ask the anon who leveled the frets on his Elite Strat with a compound radius neck and ended up replacing an $800 neck.
Anyway you can't just level frets, they then need to be re-crowned then polished. It's a job for and experienced pro, not a guy who don't even know what order to do a setup in.

>>69995021
go ahead and explain how adjusting the truss rod can fix buzzing above the 12th fret

>>69995021
Fret jobs are expensive as fuck too. It's easier just to get a new replacement neck like Warmoth is the frets are really fucked.

>>69995063
Google double action truss

>>69995021
Nah I'd rather handle things myself. How do you think the pros become experienced?

is there any innovation with guitar anymore?

>>69995257
>ERG
>fanned frets
>true temperament
>fixed bridges with fine tuning
>asymetrical neck profiles
>thinner bodies and other shapes

there still is

do we need it ? not necessarily

>>69995308
surely he meant palying

>>69995350
no i actually was thinking about pedals, specifically loops, like, how do they create a "better" loop pedal down the line? you can only have so many features.

>>69995350
Same answer then, there's a few new techniques that have surfaced in the past few years, and more will pop up.
Also consider that the signal on an electric guitar can be modulated in some absolutely absurd ways and the parameters can also all theorically be controlled through an expression pedal.

>>69995364
If I knew that I'd be making pedals.
>looper pedal with it own effects loop
>add and remove effects from clean loop

>>69995364
>how do they create a "better" loop pedal down the line? you can only have so many features.
Make it like a sampler, but more intuitive to use with your feet.

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>>69995257
Guitar music or luthiery? If the first, I think there is but guitarists tend to be more conservative and would rather hear the same blues rock and metal licks they're comfortable with than music that stretches the palette of the guitar's sound.

Some recent albums I would call innovative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJhj51ij7P0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r_stH0T15g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byngfiBuurs

>>69995413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n68z3QWaPxY this is interesting use of pedals

also yeah since guitar input is just a signal. I've done some cool things with signals, MAXMSP and contact mics.

I used a line of contact microphones to control the pitch of my mates stylophone over an ethernet cable.

we had lots of cool shit going on for that performance. one guys guitar had it's effect directly controlled by a random number generator (within sensible parameters) from my other friends laptop.

there's weird shit out there, just it's hard to make it musical at the moment.

time will show it

>>69995147
>/gg/ in a nutshell

>>69995147
by learning from people smarter and more knowledgable than them

>>69995511
There's nothing wrong with what he said. Fretwork isn't rocket science you can easily learn it from youtube videos even, you just need to have the right tools.

>>69995557
Fret leveling isn't rocket science.

>>69995561
>>69995583
you underestimate the stupidity of the average guitar player

>>69995492
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n68z3QWaPxY [Embed] this is interesting use of pedals
eh, I find it boring personally.

>there's weird shit out there, just it's hard to make it musical at the moment.
Yeah, it's the same deal as technicality, just because you can do two handed tapped arpeggios over the neck doesn't mean it's appropriate.

>>69995583
>>69995561
Fret leveling deals in micrometers, it's meticulous and precise, which takes some practice to be.

>>69995635
>Yeah, it's the same deal as technicality, just because you can do two handed tapped arpeggios over the neck doesn't mean it's appropriate

Yup exactly that, someone will stumble upon it sooner or later. Most likely by accident.

>>69995583
You'd be surprised what people manage to do to their guitars in an attempt to "fix them."

Drummer: that autistic kid that kept trashing his room ao his parents bought him a drumkit

Gotten to minor pentatonic scale on justinguitar now. I just grind it right? Seems like great picking/rhythm practice with a metronome.

>>69995492
>there's weird shit out there, just it's hard to make it musical at the moment.
Edgar Winter and Rush and Boston and etc didn't seem to have much trouble making all the new weird sounding tech of the day extremely musical.

So I can play Van Halen and Iron Maiden (solos included) but can't read notation for shit
anyone else /playbyear/ here?

so
is there any point in buying a standard strat if I don't have a particular sound I'd want to play in mind?

>>69995475
meh, just a lot of effects really
nothing really different about the actual guitar playing

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>>69992663
Bro, we have like super similar feeling pedalboards

anyone else build their own guitar customized to how they like it?
I'm working on a single bridge humbucker super strat with a floyd rose because fuck fender's vintage tremolo system

>>69995793
>fuck tremolo systems

ftfy

>>69995744
>nothing really different about the actual guitar playing
I know they're overrated by every djentkid but Animals as Leaders does some interesting stuff like basically slapping applied to guitar.
https://youtu.be/ymwk7x901Nw?t=145

also some classical dude posted this the other day and I thought it was neat, not really unique as some other people also use the percussion elements of the instrument too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL4snMJbLks

>>69995793
Most likely going to wind a single coil pickup (and maybe a second one to replace the neck humbucker) by myself and swap the tone pot to a double tone and bass cut pot on my next guitar.

>>69995475
I don't appreciate what they're doing to that doggo.

>>69995741
Yeah, it's a great platform, you can always change the pickguard to accommodate SSS, HSH, HSS, HH, split configs, ect. It's probably one of the easiest to change.

>>69995884
nice, I figured it would be a good all around guitar
now I know it's not the same level as fender strats but what's the general opinion on pacificas?

>>69995805
but how am I supposed to do epic dive bombs to wow the crowd?
the plebs love dive bombs

>>69995308
ERG?
Please enlighten me.

>>69995943
extended range geetars

>>69995915
Generally well regarded as good starters. The HSS models give an overall good sampling of sounds on a solid build.

>>69995744
You should probably start looking into microtonal music if you're looking for something different.

>>69995943
extended range guitar, anything with more than 6 strings.
Historically, they kinda date back from a long time (see luths); but mass produced 7 strings electrical guitars are maybe 20 years and mass produced 8 strings about 10 years.

>>69991686
only get a humbucker on the neck.

>>69993989
he used the more subtle positions, I don't think he ever really went past 3
>>69992809
the TBX is much more practical than the varitone I'd say, the varitone is basically just a scooping compressor type sound while the TBX does more with fewer settings and circuitry

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i am butchering shit cuz im bored

need more improv trax for the 'list
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLic8h8fMqM0PuWwncSxqmbM_cn-9GORX5

I still don't get the use of scales modes.
Why not stick to ionian and add a few extra notes when needed (blue note for instance)?

>>69996427
why doesn't everyone just use 4/4 time and the key of E, it'd be way easier to learn to play all the songs

>>69996498
Alright, maybe I wrote it the wrong way.
I'm not saying it is useless and I don't care,
Actually I want to understand the use of it.

>>69996427
This is literally the dumbest comment about modes ever made on any guitar related forum in the history of computers being wire and or wirelessly connected through the spectrum of Local Access Networks to the current modern global internet infrastructure.

that might be a stupid question but is it safe to take off all of the strings at once while restringing? I'm asking because someone told me it fucks with the neck, something to do with the tension

>>69996573
Yes you can take them all off, whoever told you that is probably just an idiot who reads ultra precautionary bullshit warnings on the internet.

>>69996520
modes give a different feel to the song. like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PdhYlYEh3I

i don't practice modal scales, i just play what feels right for a song. i think memorizing every mode is overkill. rereading your post and it think that's what you were getting at. i'd just practice major and minor scales and arppeggios. i think it's more important to learn what intervals sound like what, and to be able to think of a tune in your mind (or hear it) and then play it immediately and your fingers just know where to go. after that you can play any song, modes don't matter

>>69996613
yeah that sounded like bullshit because how else am I supposed to clean the frets etc. but just wanted to make sur

>>69996573
i'd do half and half to be safe
>>69996613
you have to take good care of your guitars in case they come to life as cute girls. they'll remember how you treated them

>>69996621
Yes thanks, that's what I meant.
I learned all the useful scales all over the neck, and just plays what feels right
And actually never checked the modes

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>>69996427
>(blue note for instance)?
brown note is better

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More sanding lol cheap shit

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Everyone online seems to hate this Antigua finish except me. This thing is fucking great. I think I like baritone better than regular guitar.

>>69997086
Baritone is great but the antigua finish looks like ass.
Are the pickups voiced differently on the baritone JM by the way ?

>>69997143
Not a gearfag and I've never played another jazzmaster so I honestly have no clue, it sounds the best in the middle position though. Its probably just whatever pickups Squier had lying around in their Indonesian slave facility.

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>go to gc
>want try out $200 pedal
>have to test it on a $30 effects amp with no clean
>using a mexican strat that won't stay in tune
>with a kid 5 feet away chugs away on metal riffs
>gc

>>69997197
>go to gc
where you went wrong

>>69997197
>>go to gc

Found your problem.

>>69997209
I haven't been in a few months and there was some turnover.

It used to be:
>gc employee stops mid sentence with whoever he was helping
>greets me by name
>asks what I want
>takes me to the platinum room while another employee tunes up an am deluxe
>try out my stuff

I'm having trouble advancing in my guitar playing, I'm in a low intermediate zone I guess, but I don't know what to do next.

Is correct music reading worth it? Should I just learn random solos for songs? Should I try to learn a song by ear or something?

Problem is whenever I learn a song I end up hating it because I play it so much.

What's your daily guitar playing like?

>>69997235
>Be at gc
>Employee is helping me find some gear
>Suddenly stops talking to me and greet another customer

Rude as hell/10 never coming back. I think they have autism at gc.

>>69997250
Tbh I found that what was holding me back is I had no one to play with. So instead of dealing with the autism that is other musicians I got a looper pedal.

>>69997197
in computer science gc means "garbage collection"

which I believe also works here

>>69997260
the difference between a kid wasting their time and someone with money to burn should be pretty obvious

>>69997269
back in my day, if you wanted the space back, you had to delete the reference manually

>>69997268
interesting, I was thinking of getting one.

Btw, can you setup a cheap usb mixer to work with basic effects even if your computer has a generic soundcard?

I really want to learn an instrument and I'm torn between mouth harp and guitar.

I feel like every Joe can play the guitar but the mouth harp just sounds so cozy.
What do you guys think is better?

>>69994139
you sound like a faggot
he just wanted to play something fun
your band sucks and I can tell you're a wristlet just from that post

what's the best rackmount wah module for a beginner?

>>69997197
>go to GC
>super qt skinny girl tends to me
>"can I try that Bit Commander?"
>have to play it through a shitty Epiphone SG on a shitty Acoustic combo amp
>make a bunch of weird puslating synthed-out noise
>guy at the counter goes "oh damn that pedal is great man I should've gotten my eye on it earlier"
>it's the last one in stock and they don't have a box so they gimme a discount even though its new

I like the local GC idk.

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How do I learn to play like him /gg/?

>>69997313
every Joe can play the guitar... terribly mediocre that is

>>69997197
>go to long and mcquade
>want to try $70 pedal
>get private room with 15 amps to chose from
>can pull any guitar they have off the wall to use
>get 30day return if I don't like the pedal
>l&m

as much as I like to support smaller shops, L&M just have better customer service

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>>69997260
>go to Sam Ashe
>doing whatever the fuck
>no seems to give a shit
>blast a Tweed Twin
>mfw

>>69997344
like I said, they used to treat me like royalty. I loved it.

Sam Ash is too creepy, anyway.

>>69997365
>go to Sam Ash
>no seems to give a shit

Sounds about right.

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Thought on Ibanez JS1200? Considering buying one atm.

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>>69997358
>go to L&M
>Try all the gear I want
>If I like it I buy it online and save $20-100

>>69997378
>go to Sam Ash
>turn 360 degrees and moonwalk across the street to Guitar Center
yes, they are literally across the street from each other...

>>69997358
I don't think we have that.

I did hear about a guitar place someone on rig rundown said they bought stuff from in my town. need to check it out.

>>69996621
Did you post the right video? I was expecting some pitch axis playing.

https://youtu.be/H4V5lLnglCI

>>69997419

In LA?

There's a Sam Ash down here in San Diego now

>>69997467
nah I'm on the east coast

>>69997419
>>69997467
GC systematically built stores within a stones throw of every Sam Ash

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>>69997344
>wow they gave me a discount on the demo unit

>>69997394
they have all non commission sales staff so they don't really care. i mean the company might but the staff don't

rentals are super cheap too

All the sam ash employees at the one closest to me are assholes but their stock is so much better than the guitar center

>got gift card for christmas
>go to gc
>maybe 75 guitars in store
>guitar center
>guitar

>>69997462
I'm not gay but I'm totally mirin' that dude's physique

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>local shop has nothing but cheap modelling amps
>still has a wide wall full of expensive gibsons locked down
>customer service is fucking retarded and returning something is a pain, employees don't even know what products they're selling
>the only other local shop has everything priced for way more and you can't try anything

I'd rather deal with a guitar center

>>69997545
>you can't try anything
wat

>>69997539
mine has a couple hundred on display

I've been playing guitar for about 10 years, and am pretty good, can pretty much play any song I set my mind to, but don't know shit about music theory / modes, etc stuff like that. Where is a good place to start because I feel like it is a big area that I'm lacking. Preferably someone on youtube who has a video series that's easy to understand.

>>69997579
dave conservatoire

What's with people saying they go to GC to try a pedal are forced to test it out on a shitty guitar and a shitty amp? My GC let's anyone grab any guitar off the wall and plug it into any amp they have out on the floor. I still hate the place tho..

>>69997584
danke schön anon

>>69997579
minor pent
blues minor
major pent
notice that one keys major pent is another keys minor pent, in fact it is a mode
major and minor scales
fuck the rest of the modes

>>69997591
the employees were all busy helping people asking stupid questions. i used to get preferential treatment

>>69997557
The owner's a douche, the only time I went there he flat out said no when I asked politely and the other time my friend asked why the amp he was trying (that was before I went there for the only time) was 20% more than online, he just told him "well just buy it online then".
No idea how they're still open.

Also the other store has basically no pedals, probably less than 50, guitar and bass included.

>>69997481

Funny, the Sam Ash here came after and is only a few miles away from one of the GCs here.

>>69997500

Discount + price drop from their website. Got a 175 dollar pedal for less than 140. They don't have "demo units" at this Guitar Center they keep all their pedals/guitars on the floor cause it's pretty small. It's as good as new I doubt any mexicans were interested in it enough to ask a sales rep to let them try it out.

>>69997539
Mine has 40, the rest of the store contains about 100 keyboards, 20 drum sets, and an entire memestrument section (brass, woodwinds, ukuleles). Also of those 40, 20 are low end strat/ibanez, 5 are shitty 7 strings, and the rest are ESP/Jackson Flying V's Explorers and Les Pauls. GC is literally for kids and teenage girls

>>69997694
>kids and teenage girls

so /gg/ then

>>69993292

If I encountered that one I would probably just lazy it up and remove the high B. I think new-ish players fuss over difficult to finger chords too much without thinking about what the one note that makes it difficult to finger adds to the final sound and whether it's worth it.

>>69997675
huh, maybe I'm wrong.

The Sam Ash by me feels like a grocery store after a zombie outbreak. A lot of empty shelves and space and shells of human beings walking around in uniforms

Can someone explain to me how tunings work

I've never understood it.

Like how would i get my guitar to F# F# F# F# C# F#

>>69993024

China does better with pedals because their industry is heavily based around electronics moreso than any kind of precision woodworking.

>>69997744
>F# F# F# F# C# F#
why

>>69997744

I'm guessing you want to play MBV's Soon?

Kevin used a capo, just tune to E E E E B E and capo 2.

>>69997801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=586-G4TcUxQ

>>69997744
Why would you want to do that?

>>69997744
lol

>>69997801
I could imagine like Pat Metheny using this tuning for some ethereal reason.

Makes me think of Tommy Emmanuel. I always was like "whatever, I bet he has to use a bunch of weird tunings to play that". Last night I'm watching a video and he says he almost always uses standard, and sometimes maybe drop d.

fuck you tommy. you fucking wizard

>how do tunings work???

you shoegaze faggots are the worst

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>>69997260
>be at gc
>employees are fucking around on their phones
>no one says hi or asks if i need assistance
>go up to counter ask someone to fetch a guitar off the wall thats high up and needs ladder, chick says ok
>she leaves
>doesn't come back

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>>69993958
Both my older brothers played drums when we were growing up. Mom made a strict 30 minutes per day per brother practice time limit.

>tfw someone called on the phone for one of the brothers
>go down to basement to get them
>they are drumming
>wave hands frantically to get him to stop
>he doesn't
>he plays louder
>flip off brother
>pick up phone, say "(brother) doesn't want to talk to you"
>hang up phone

>>69991422
This is the life lol. I fucking hate open jams. They're all blues.

>>69997886
Why are you being an asshole?

>>69997930

Not him but you should've known better. /gg/ isn't the place to ask about stuff if you're into shoegaze. You can only ask here on how to tune your 7 string to G# and what are the best high gain settings for your Axe FX II.

>>69997886
kys

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>be at gc
>employees are all fucking around snickering at shit
>no one bothers to give assistance
>some 50 year old woman dressed like steamy ray vaughn comes in
>starts shilling some guitar gimmick product while shredding blooz
>employees all gather around steamy ray vaughn
>fuck around with Vox AC4
>it starts smelling weird
>leave

>>69997903
>go to open mic
>a bunch of crusty old dude, but they're all nice
>they'll just yell out a key and progression progression I'm not familiar with
>try to keep up but they're all using weird jazz chords and I can't figure out what the fuck to do
>just palm mute the shit out of the strings and sort of strum along
>slink out

>>69997959
It's not even about shoegaze considering I hardly listen to it. I just wish someone would explain to me how tunings actually work.

https://soundcloud.com/superjazzcolors/super-jazz

Check out this song I just made. I'm thinking more musicians would enjoy it than non musicians. Jazz metal

>>69997988
>Jazz metal
can someone post a trash-man or a vomiting boxer please ?

>>69996645

It isn't necessary to leave strings on as you swap out new ones. Hell, if it's a bolt on and the neck needs any kind of work a luthier will take the damn thing right off the guitar without a thought. It's no big deal at all and will not damage your neck.

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>>69997988
>Jazz metal
why not tropical goth?

>>69997972
It's more like

>be me
>open mic with same fucking people
>you're 24 so you have to respect others and go last even if you show up early.
>go on stage to perform some rehearsed material with a drummer friend.
>wait anon you have to play with these guys too
>band now consists of bass guitar drums two harmonica players a drunk organ player an extra guitarist and three tambourine girls and one drunk dude trying to sing mustang sally.
>dick doesn't even get sucked.
>maybe a guitar solo will make me feel better
>amp sounds like shit...

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>walk into Rocker Guitars in San Francisco
>say hi
>guy at counter yells at me saying 'WERE CLOSED'
>walk out the door
>its like 2pm on a Friday

>>69997988
Why would you come into an instrument discussion thread to post something that has 0 instruments in it?

>>69996573
Yes, it's fine to take all the strings off at once. This is the way to go if you're doing fret work (polishing/lacquer). The only thing you need to look out for (especially for bass) is a change in the trust rod. Your guitar won't snap in half, but your trust rod may be altered.

>>69998002
>>69998041
I'm getting the feeling y'all don't like enough music to enjoy something as open minded as what I produce. You don't like animals as leaders AND john coltrane?

>>69998090
I can play the instruments you hear in the song I made in garage band. Why can't anyone just enjoy themselves?

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>>69998095
>You don't like animals as leaders AND john coltrane?
>implying you're as good as either of them

>>69998095
Can I just listen to Coltrane without Animals as Leaders that sounds much better

>>69998065
yeah, that's usually the case. god damnit some one always tries to play the fucking bongos.

>>69998122
It has nothing to do with guitar playing. Go find a /comp/ or /prod/ thread if they're still around. Chances are they'll shit on it, though

>>69998131
Implying that's the music I enjoy and take inspiration from. Whenever i post music or a musical performance to guitarists they all get butt hurt and turn into massive faggots. But if I show any other human on this planet they seem to enjoy themselves.

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guys, should I practice guitar or cyber stalk Rebecca from PG?

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>read about how people on the gear page all have super cool relationships with their local guitar stores and how cool small shops are
>walk into Rocker Guitars in San Francisco
>say 'hey man whats up? can you recommend a good overdrive pedal?'
>dude angrily asks if I'm just looking or if I'm actually going to buy something
>I-i guess I want to try some s-stuff
>leaves the counter and goes in the back forever
>leave after waiting around for 20 minutes

>>69997988
>Jazz metal
Good Shawn Baxter album

>>69998165
fuck off cunt go spam somewhere else

>>69998165
>But if I show any other human on this planet they seem to enjoy themselves.
look up "hypocrisy"

>>69998160
Yes it does. All of the lead lines are guitar solos. I play the guitar. Just because you aren't listening to a real guitar doesn't mean a guitarist can't take inspiration from it. Guitarists are literally the douchiest musicians.

>>69998122
Oh, they're enjoying themselves all right, just not the way you expected.

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>walk into Rocker Guitars in San Francisco
>guy immediately tells me to fuck off

>>69998165
>But if I show any other human on this planet they seem to enjoy themselves.
>seem
that says a lot

I don't really know where to ask this so I'll ask here. I'm applying for a job and they ask me to list the titles of the books that I read in the last year that I enjoyed the most. I'm not sure if they mean just list the titles or if I should pick like four and write a little blurb on why I enjoyed it. Thoughts?

>>69998091
>The only thing you need to look out for (especially for bass) is a change in the trust rod. Your guitar won't snap in half, but your trust rod may be altered.

Right, truss rod adjustments should always been made with guitar/bass stringed and more or less in tune so the tension is correct.

>>69998239
You know there's a literature board right

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>>69998225
maybe this is why

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>>69998239
how did you settle on asking the guitar general thread this question?

>>69998239
they didn't ask you why you enjoyed it, they just want to make sure you're not going to shoot the place up to impress jodie foster

>>69998221
So go record some actual guitars then come back. No one cares about your little virtual song that just spams arpeggios and a boring chord progression

>>69998263
Yeah, but I'm not really asking about about lit but rather the meaning of the question.

>>69998282
I only browse /mu/. I don't really have anywhere else on the internet that I post anything.

>>69998285
okay

>>69998236
No. I play guitar in a band on a fancy cruise ship. All of my living expenses are paid for. All I gotta do is be happy and enjoy myself while others enjoy me. People that have their shit together have no need to talk shit. It's cool. Because you're all douchebags, I'm gonna post this just to show off and rub it in your faces how much better I am than you (: I tried to be cool.

Good luck playing ANYTHING close to as awesome as this.
https://youtu.be/hOuWSc2og3g

Inb4 shit talking. I've heard it all. You aren't creative enough to hurt my feelings.

>>69998132
This

>>69997744
lol have fun tuning the high E a whole step up

>>69998183
What a cunt.

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>>69998331
>if I do my pentatonic noodlings fast enough it will start to sound good

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>>69998382
maybe hes tuning down

>>69998382
You'd have to mix sets of strings and probably adjust the set up to play that tuning

>>69998239
Did you read some guitar books?

>>69998382
whole step up on some 9-42 should be fine, more so on a 24.75" scale

>>69998331
wow congrats, you're better than an anonymous poster on a general in an imageboard.

now that's something to be proud of.

>>69998177

who is this semen demon

>>69996854
Pull out those metal parts dude. It's coming along nicely though, good job. Getting rid of poly isn't easy.

That mahogany isn't bad looking either, I would do a transparent finish since you went though all that trouble

>>69998331
Have you ever considered that people in real life are humoring you and don't have the heart to say something mean to your face unlike internet strangers who don't give a shit about you?

>>69998113
what is that grey pedal on the bottom right corner of your pedalboard?

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>>69998460
>>69998177

>mfw rebecca dirks

>>69998331
You're technically good, I'll give you that. But creatively you have a long way to go. Try to focus more on songwriting and less on lead masturbation. The fact that you play in a cover band doesn't have anything to do with whether or not people enjoy your music

>>69998113
>synth, sampler and pedals
let me guess, dreampop/shoegaze ?

>>69998331
I too am a manager at Wendy's making 100k a year.

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>>69998514
He has better hair

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>>69998460

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>>69997197
>be me
>at guitar center
>this guy wants to test out an Ibanez tube screamer because he is looking for a "br00tal" tone
>Cranks out zeros as fast as he can, Kerry King style
>gets mad that it sounds like shit
>notsurprised.png
>GC worker comes over and asks if he can help
>dude presents his dilemma
>"I know exactly what you need, boss"
>runs over and reaches for a boost pedal
>GC employee puts it in the chain, takes the guitar and starts shredding like a mad man on PCP
>hands the guitar to the customer
>let's see if you like it
>this guy just gazes at the guitar for a good 20 seconds
>down tunes the guitar
>loud BURRRRRRROOOOO busts throughout the store
>starts abhorrently djenting
>0-000-00-000-00-000
>lookmom_nohands.gif
>GC employee develops a shit eating grin
>"Oh, you're into the djenties!"
>Yes, he really said djenties, you can't make this shit up.
>"You know, I consider myself a percussive guitarist myself."
>GC employee grabs the guitar and starts djenting
>0-000000-000000-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
>frets the first fret for a little flavor
>only at GC
>mfw

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>>69998558
>lookmom_nohands.gif
>djenties

>>69998514
satchel is such a goofball

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Stupid question,
What is this called and can i get them at a local hardware store?
(I'm wiring a jazzmaster for the first time)

>>69994797

>pickup cover
>bridge cover

You're not very good at playing the bass, are you?

>>69998558
That GC employee would be a national hero if this story was real

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>>69998558
hahahaha

>I was actually trying a TS808 original

>>69996364

What kind of beer are you drinking?

>>69998331
>Tapping up and down the easiest position of the pentatonic
>doing finger exercises on the highest three strings of the pentatonic
>look mom I can tap again :)
>descends the pentatonic scale
>performs horribly muted sweeps
>quick, flail my hands and create background noise to cover up my shitty synchronization

The baby has to cover it all with his shitty wah and distortion to 10 to hide his out of sync hands and bad technique. You know most metal bands don't even crank their distortion that high because they have technique right?

>>69998634
ground terminal

>>69998685
nothing
coffee

>>69998729
It's useless my man, you know he's one of those mentally ill people who thinks he's the hottest shit of all time and everyone else is out to get him

>>69998761
>crazyaga 2 : shred edition
too bad there's no trip to filter

>>69998634
Locking terminal, just solder it all on to the one you have and screw it to the cavity. It all goes to ground anyway.

>>69998780
crazyaga isn't terrible when he's not showcasing some retarded new gear he bought

somebody dip it in egg whites and bread it

>>69998808
Crazyaga's clips are usually fine but they are the most boring delay wankery possible. This guy's shredding is technically fine but it's uninspired and not something anyone would ever listen to be when theres a hundred thousand somewhat original shredders in the world.

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>>69998558

>>69998558
>implying the tubescreamer isn't just a poorly advertised boost pedal.

>>69998863
you're right, the description is accurate and I like it.

>>69998863
It's not even technically good, it's so caked in distortion that you couldn't tell if was anyway, but he can't even mute his goddamn strings.

>>69997890
sounds like GC