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>Posted in the other thread but the thread had already died out.

Hey just need a second set of ears on this, i am far from the mixing phase but wanted to make a house track,

i used "golden boy - that thing" as inspiration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlI9HGWftCg [Embed]

need help though: anyone here use massive? if so how do you record automation while using a massive synth? I have some cutoff filters and envelope rates i can freely control on my midi keyboard but i cant figure out how to re-record that automation. Any help?

Here is a sample of the track i am working on.
https://clyp.it/q1bompis

https://clyp.it/00dr0vz4

>>69928988
It sounds pretty aight. Nothing too much to complain about for a house track. Although i don't use massive, i think automation is DAW side. What DAW do you use?

>>69929273
That's the problem, it sounds "alright" like that. When I playback the track and am automating the chords they add such dynamic to the track as its adjusted throughout the song. I use ableton, so when I have another plugin like EQ for example, I can automate that around by assigning "midi learn" or what have you to some knobs and mess around with that, but when it's within massive, I don't know how to record the automation and changes im doing to the synth. It just starts to record over the midi already laid down and deletes it all in the process. I know it's probably something simple I'm missing, but it's got me stumped right now.

>>69929497
well, maybe you should just explore your options anon and look up a tutorial. Also another question, where did you get your synth and samples from? I'd really like to know?

>>69929567
I made the synth myself from scratch, I make pretty much all my synths myself. I am open to trade massive patches if you like, the vocals I got from a friend singing in my garage, and the drums are a combination of battery 4 samples, parts of drum tracks I've recorded from recording my friends band, and field recordings I've made into drums. I know there's a video out there somewhere that will teach me and I should look into that. Sometimes I like to ask /mu/ instead because then maybe Someone lurking can learn something as well.

>>69929946
Fug, my synths suck. Do you mean you literally start with a default synth and build from there? How long does this take you?

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>started three new projects over the holidays, almost finished with two

Feels good, man

>>69929946
I bought a sample pack a few weeks ago with some massive patches, just join the discord in the OP and we can trade.

>>69930128
>not having at least 40 tracks

you're a shit producer

>>69930163
This.

>>69930187
second this

>>69930163
this?

>>69930200
I agree with this guy.

>>69930003
Yeah Just open up massive and go from there. Once you learn the synth and the signal flow of things and how to manipulate your oscillators it get's pretty easy to play around with. I'm glad you like the sounds of this one in the clpy i posted but honestly thats with everything turned off and it's not even doing anything. If i can solve my problem i am having with recording automation ill post another.

The time it takes varies, just like making a song. Sometimes you spend hours and come out with nothing, sometimes you can rip out something decent in half an hour.

When I first started making music I just spend all my time making "sounds" rather than songs, because I was nowhere near a musician. So now I am pretty okay at synth design, and it helps when you're wanting to make a track.

>>69930139
okay I might look into that!

>>69930128
That's awesome, man! Keep up the good work flow!

>>69930163
>>69930187
>>69930200
>>69930226
>>69930246
Don't listen to these guys and the "40 track meme" It honestly all depends on what you're making. Sometimes less is more.

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>>69928988
Man, the vocal chops are really nice. I feel like the snare could cut through a bit more, it has a very wet sound right now (disregard if you were going for that)

>>69930334
Thank you!

>>69930163
Eh, I'm only beginning to flesh out the track

btw, how does this sound for a start (warning: dynamics): https://clyp.it/30eil3pu

>>69930334
this

>>69929097

>>69930395
At first I thought it wasn't really going anywhere but it does come together near the middle. Maybe progress it a bit faster or change up main loop[ a little bit.
>dat mouth breathing though

An anon told me I needed percussion so I fleshed it out and now it kinda sounds like a train wreck. Any ideas on how to improve, or do I just need to >git gud on my melodies?

https://clyp.it/nfrazjjb

>>69929097
>>69930458
Sounds like acapella chiptune. I can dig it.

>>69930395
Yeah i never noticed how wet the overall track was until I played it through laptop speakers so I'll dial it down a bit when it comes to mixing, but was just going for that early house vibe. The whole track is about 3:35 seconds long but I didnt wanna share the whole thing yet.

>>69930491
Thanks. I like the richness of the sounds. They just sound like a chiptune because I was playing them in higher registers, but I'm not really going for that.

I used same sounds here:

https://clyp.it/hktnmsxk

Is Serum good for synths that are not exclusively for edm? I want some versatile synth for experimental, classical and indie genres. Not that edgy dubstep-y shit. Something smooth, possibly a bit retro, but still fresh. (Yeah, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about).

>>69930489
Thank you. I agree that it need some more variation, and now that I listened on my headphones, the breathing is a bit loud.

I really enjoyed how the composition swells up, sounds very post-rock-ish. I'd push the snare a bit more, maybe add some velocity variation to the percussion. I also feel like the drums would sound great if they were hitting a bit early, like a real drummer (negative track delay in Ableton?)

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>>69929497

I'm not 100% sure I've picked this up right as far as what you're wanting to do but this is how I do my automation for synths:

I'm using the Wavestation synth here but the logic is the same throughout for any other device - in image-related you need to click the arrow next to the device name to expand the panel showing the most recently-used parameters for the synth (move a knob or slider in your VSTi to see its corresponding parameter slider appear in this panel), then use the MIDI map function to map a knob or fader on your MIDI controller to that slider.

This will allow you to record Ableton automation in the same manner as you do for other devices. As I said I'm not totally sure this is what you need so if it isn't let me know and I'll try to help.

>>69930334
>these guys
It was all one dude.

>>69932031
It wasn't. I admit 2 of those posts are mine, though.

if I want to put a redux over my entire track so it'll play even if there's nothing going going on, how would i do that?

like i tried putting a white noise operator on and attaching the redux to it and it didn't really me the effect i wanted.

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>>69931963
>move a knob or slider in your VSTi to see its corresponding parameter slider appear in this panel

Damn, left out a part - to add or delete parameter sliders from the panel you need to have the "Configure" button selected.

>>69932237
nvm i just downloaded a tape hiss sample pack desu

Mixing wise this is pure trash, I'm not done yet, but I'd love to get some feedback on sound design and composition.

What genre would this classify for?

https://clyp.it/g5vzzxdy

>>69930128
Hope this isn't a stupid question, but what software is that?

>>69933573


Ableton Live, Arrangement View.

>>69932237
SMACKOS TAPE STATION

Anyone want to help a brother out and help me find the echo farm plug in from Line 6?
pls respond

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Isn't Focusrite giving away some shit? Where do I get that shit?

I bet you guys know what you're talking about
I can't spend more than $60 bucks on a Microphone
It will be used for Acoustic Instruments/Vocals
Which would be the best in that range or even cheaper?

>>69934628

A second-hand SM57 maybe? You might find an AT2020 (condenser) mic for that price but you'll need to power it too and if your budget is already tight you might not already have the gear available to do that, in that case the dynamic 57 would be a better buy, since it needs no power.

What would be the ideal cpu usage when performing live on ableton? Right now I'm at 45% and I plan to perform live during 1 hour.

>>69934768
>You might find an AT2020 (condenser) mic for that price

*also second-hand

>>69934780

From past experience I didn't see any issues if average usage stayed below 65% - anything higher than that had no wiggle room to cope with sudden spikes.

>>69934628
Go on craigslist and look. Not too much you can grab for $60 or less. Especially if you're wanting something brand new.

>>69934768
I just got a USB AT2020 for christmas, it's really useful and the audio quality is well worth spending a few extra bucks for, especially if you're looking to skip buying an interface to power/use the mic.

>>69934768
>>69934791
Already have a mixer to power phantom powered MIc's
Would a Shure SM48 be fine? or is that just too much of a quality drop from say a second hand SM57

>>69934780
I'm going to be performing live for the first time in the upcoming year. Please tell me more about your gig?

>What music do you do?
>what's your set up
>where is you show (house, club, bar, venue?)
>about how many people in the audience?

>>69934841

I'd look for a 2020 then, as >>69934828 mentioned they are really good for the price - the SM57 has an advantage in that it can cope with very high SPL levels but if you're not close-miking snare drums or guitar amps the 2020 will give you a smoother top end.

SM48 looks ok for vocals but might be tuned that way to the disadvantage of acoustic instruments - you might get a little harsh recordings with acoustic guitars.

>>69934824
Thank you.
>>69934876
>https://clyp.it/jltbis4h feedback welcome
>Ableton Live 9 + Lenovo T420 + AKAI APC40
>house
>50 probably

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is it ever ok to produce things entirely on headphones

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What is the best tutorial for drum programming?

I fully understand Ableton's drum racks, and sample layering. But I just don't like the workflow and my drums are lifeless and shitty.

Should I try drumazon or something? Drum programming is my least favorite part of production and they slow me down up considerably.

I just want to make breakbeats like squarepusher effortlessly :(

>>69934543
you need to have a registered focusrite product to download them

>>69935202
I've tried, it's a waste of time. Things just sound completely different. It doesn't even make sense. You mix things to sound as good as possible on the headphones, then listen to it on monitors, it sounds bad, so you fix it (if you don't have to do so much work as to re-tool and find new sounds for the entire track. sometimes it's that bad) then listen to it on headphones again and it sounds even better than before when you thought it sounded good.

I had the DT-770 Pro which are decent headphones, and they're awful compared to monitors. It's just a different perception of sound, especially dance music. Even though it sounds good on headphones.

Although if you're composing (choosing the notes, chord progression and such) and not mixing it's fine or if you're just doing for practice and have nothing else to work on, it's better than nothing. You can learn your DAW better and stuff like that.

>>69933152
>https://clyp.it/g5vzzxdy
It sounds pretty cool. I guess it'd be synth-pop.

I feel like it could use another sound around 2:00, like some kind of atmospheric sound.

>>69934936
Thanks for the info, and good luck on your show!

That's very inspiring for me to heap

>>69935407
damn alright then, the thing is i have a habit of putting in and mixing effects on the fly with each mapped track, guess i'll have to do it raw for now lol

>>69934078
Notice me senpai pls

>>69930966
>serum
better download zebra2 it does so many things for a modular soft synth its really easy to use

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>>69928907

>>69936876
10/10 would fuck horse

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>>69936876

/prod/ I have a question? Judging by this track, would you say I am capable of using emotions through music?

>tfw you critique yourself too hard
I feel like my music has no soul it's just a bunch of samples and loops.

https://clyp.it/djfyn143

>>69937618
i don't hear a cohesive intent behind the music. it sounds like, to be blunt, you just found things that you thought sounded cool and made a track out of them. understand what you want first, then go make it. in the words of chick corea, if you don't hear anything, don't play anything. it sounds to me like you didn't hear anything before beginning production

but i'm a jazz musician not a producer so wtf do i know take my word with a grain of salt

Hey I'm back and I had my friend do some rapping on this track.. anyone have any feedback? esp theres probably a better way I can be ending it

https://clyp.it/w2w0yczf

>>69937812
are both of them not being ironically bad?

>>69937913
this is super ironic, yeah

>>69937812
your male friend is bad at singing. extremely. your female friend is also bad at singing, but more importantly she can't keep time with a fucking metronome, pathetic musicians need to practice for a goddamn hour in their life before trying to record

jfc they may be ironically doing the piece but they are unironically terrible musicians

>>69937921
no legit, they're fucking terrible, cheesy as fuck and even the beat behind it is boring.

>>69937812
Female verse gave me a boner. So thanks "4' the boner friend.

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>>69937812

>>69937812
Thank you so much.

>>69938788
You're welcome :)

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tfw you fucking suck

>>69939009
it's okay hehe, just b urself ;)

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https://clyp.it/oalfrjqz

another WIP. Shoegaze, Dream-pop. any thoughts in general? how to make drums sound organic at all because right now they kinda blow.

>>69939391
oh hey I remember you. When are you going to release that electric chair song, that was sick

>>69939523
shit man, thank you! to be honest, no idea. my artist name is Andrew Younker so if you want to follow me on soundcloud and whatever the fuck youll be the first to know when it comes out.

>>69930966
The foundry, good luck finding a working torrent

this guy once told me people will more likely like your music if it sounds good sonically even when it's not that good musically, how true is this?

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Need help finding the shittiest General MIDI/GS Soundfont out there. Something that'd feel like in some Early-Mid 2000s GameMaker (or to be more clear, something close to this level of shittyness: https://dweedes.bandcamp.com/track/squares) game

>>69930966
just use Dexed or ZynAddSubFX man
better than paying fucking $190 jesus christ who decides what to price these softsynths

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How to make /fuzz/ pedal sound in Max MSP/Pure Data

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Advice is always appreciated, no matter how harsh, long as it helps me improve.

>>> https://clyp.it/jqohjiua

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>>69941103
>digital fuzz

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>>69940824
You could try getting a Yamaha QY10 or QY20 on ebay and using it as a sound module. They're usually pretty cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eMc6u_HmMY

>>69937618
Emotion is subjective, especially with music.

>>69941959
>https://clyp.it/jqohjiua
Overall I like it, but it feels like the music is holding back, like it starts to rev up, but then doesn't actually crescendo. It feels like potential energy.

I know that description is hella artsy, but I don't really have the technical vocabulary I need to be clearer.

>>69939391
yo that's pretty cool mane gg

>>69935206
Amen brother

new track, kind of excited because i'm probably going to be playing it live soon :DDDDDDD

https://clyp.it/njexy1ju

>>69943513
>https://clyp.it/njexy1ju
where the actual fuck are you going to be playing that live? Do you dj at a mental asylum?

>>69943513
pissed me off a little. good job.

>>69940596
i feel like the opposite is true...there are a ton of famous albums that are notorious for having bad mixing.

good songwriting always trumps good production

>>69944140
What I got from these threads is that the sound is pretty much everything.

>>69944196
well...the songwriting in these threads is probably below average so it all comes down to how good it sounds.

that or everyone just makes EDM and they take a shit all over songwriting.

>>69943644
>>69943538
i've gotten away with spinning remixes of whitehouse but whatever, i appreciate your upfrontness so i'd like to know if you think the song sounds shit or if it's just a bizzare choice for a set, in any case thanks for listening to my beep boop noises m8s

>>69944278
Yeah, I think it's both, but even more that second one.

https://clyp.it/u251fpl4
a WIP I'm working on, should I continue it?

>>69944477
got some age of adz vibes from it, of course you should continue!

anyone here samples vinyl?
what is a cheap/good turntable I can afford for less than 100 euros (100 dollars I guess)?

>>69945887
Thanks pal

any advise
> https://clyp.it/gqvuksw3

>>69946275
>https://clyp.it/gqvuksw3
it kinda lost my attention halfway through, needs another hook man

https://clyp.it/rvjdsoz2

What do yall think of this?

>>69943513
>https://clyp.it/njexy1ju

tune your drums

https://soundcloud.com/bo-rumba/pmqs

Gonna make an EP of this kinda stuff soon. Is the production alright for first release?

>>69946987

Fucked up with the sc link, too stupid to read the rules...

https://clyp.it/k4f5sqd0

here goes. Is the production alright?

>>69947063
>https://clyp.it/k4f5sqd0
at 1:00 and onward how do you make those insane noises? what do you use?

>>69943513
>probably going to be playing it live
clearly dont even know how to play live, sorry f a m

>>69928907
anyone here like techno?

https://clyp.it/ws3ife4n

>>69947144
A really dull sounding FM8 patch with some motion to it, the rest is just loads of ditortions and ridiculous-looking EQ shapes inbetween them. Use NI Driver and Devastor 2 for distortion.

>>69947282
sound like minimal or micro house

>>69947342
ye it's minimal

>>69947063
sound design is great, assuming it's not all sample pack bs

love the janky editing/modulation.

imo, it could you some more focus rhythmically, or just some sort of defined melody or bassline (esp later on)

Unless you are purposefully going for the avant garde/abstract vibe cause are prob already there. ..throw some distorted screamo vocals on there and watch out p4k

>>69947407
Yeah, they are all hand made sounds, apart from the drums (used Polyplex). Wasn't sure whether to give more prominence to the rhythmical element, that'd require the track to be longer. Might sit down and make a 4-5 min arrangement. Dunno, I just like making noises.

>>69947282
>https://clyp.it/ws3ife4n
this is p good flam. needs some more processing to really shine though.
Also might benefit with something like a vocal or organic sound to cut through at times.

>>69940596
This: >>69947063 is the proof that the technicalities are more important.

>>69947741
>https://clyp.it/k4f5sqd0
this song sounds cool, but thats all there is to it. kind of fun to listen to. all great songs have great songwriting.

>>69947948
That's all thats meant to be. This track is pretty much just a sound design exercise.

>>69948022
soooo whats the point? someone is arguing that production is more important than songwriting but if its literally just practice i dont think people will want to listen to it for very long...

>>69948053
if you made the song this isnt a knock on you, its actually really fucking cool. just dont understand why people are putting production above composition...

>>69948053
The point is to get the hang of sound design and production to a level where you are able to effortlessly express your compositional/harmonic ideas. That's where I am right now. The production is seriously holding me back, I'm getting there though.

Agree with you about song-writing being the king though.

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how come whenever i try to make a drum sound on sytrus it always sounds really quiet?
and how do people make such defined powerful drum samples from scratch?

https://clyp.it/wstqhsg2

Would appreciate any feedback on this little progressive house track, it's not very well mixed atm


>>69948227
compression breh

and if you're making a kick, high pass it a lot, it can sound a lot quieter than its level, because of very low frequencies taking up room

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How do I make shit loud? Using FabFilter Pro-L right now, and my general strategy is:


>EQ shit, and Pan shit
>Try to get -6 of headroom on the Master before limiting
>Turn on limiter, mess with settings
>Crank as loud as I can until I reach ~4db of gain reduction max

This works okay but it's really tough once I've got more than 5-6 tracks going at once. It's just hard to fit a bunch of shit in and still make it loud.

>>69949225
>once I've got more than 5-6 tracks going at once
first things first
finish your song
then mix it
then export to a stereo file and master it
no limiting and loudness involved until the very last step

>>69949315
How is that different from putting a limiter on the master? I don't see how limiting a stereo .wav file is any different than limiting the master

but im a noob so I may be completely wrong

>>69949350
of course there's no technical differences, but it keeps you from ruining your workflow and being trapped in the endless circles of tweaking all of the shit at the same time

>>69949399
i just feel like if youre trying to fit in
>a lead track
>a pad
>the bass
>1-2 other tracks and samples
>drums

and fitting that into -6db headroom, its either gonna be quiet as fuck, or be panned ridiculously, or have tons of cut frequencies, or not have a strong kick drum / bass

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>>69928988
theres an automation arm and session record button near the play button at the top. click automation arm, then arm the track you wanna automate, then click session record to start.
also, obviously make sure the parameters are mapped to ur keyboard unless you want to do it with the mouse

>>69949457
it's all about a good mix, making a good mix loud isn't that hard
of course -6dB peak will be quiet as fuck, turn your speakers up if you're willing to waste that last 1.2 bits

>>69929497
U are looking for the option "MIDI overdub" in Ableton. It's in the Options menu.

Is anyone good with synths? I wanna know how to make a the warm synth sound which starts at 1.34 in this tune.
it sounds like a sine with a low pass but I've got no idea what specific settings.
If anyone can be fucked tell me as much as possible resonance / any effects etc.
Bonus points if someone can explain the glitchy modulation thats happening, It sounds like pitch modulation, but its occurring really randomly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNtCtOcep78&ab_channel=LiucijaKaminskaite

>>69949862
sounds like a rhodes, m8

>>69949607
Peaks don't matter, you can peak at -6 db or -0.1 db, it literally doesn't matter. This is assuming you're going to be "mastering" and turning up the volume anyway.

>>69949987
that's what I was implying

>>69949225
Use some limiting on the individual tracks as well to try to shave off small peaks, also distortion is good to make things sound louder. Also be very careful to not have too much bass, and make sure you have enough high end and mid-highs

https://clyp.it/ti5jqvpr

r8 my mix please. How do the vocals sit?

>>69949951
Sounds like, but im pretty sure its a synth. the sound is too constant and complex to be a keyboard, it evolves over time and i definitely hear some modulation.
I mean the chords, not the high pitched lead too in case you were listening to that.

>>69950196
not that anon but also leaning towards a rhodes with distortion on it. kinda iconic sound that it makes. It might be a synth, but i'd bet you have a lot of luck starting with a rhodes sample or synth preset and tweak from there.

>>69950383
ur right i'll give that a crack