Metal general
Old thread: >>69885086
GLAM
>>69902951
T R E N D Y
F U C K I N G
C O C K S U C K E R S
delet this
>>69903019
which is an anagram for MGLA
/pol/ pls go
>>69903040
Damn
I TRIED SO HARD
BUT GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END IT DOSEN'T EVEN MATTER
WHOOOH 2000s agian and i'm a teenager again
>>69903050
why do people get triggered so easily at opinions
haven't they realized that life is just a massive meme yet?
I listened to meshuggah for the first time and I liked it. Music for this feel?
>>69903144
djent
>>69903144
it's called Djent, check it out
>>69903144
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-woLbLXErc
>not using winamp
I AM RAPE
I AM HATE
>>69903239
>a media player so useless that even AOL took it behind the shed and planted two .44 bullets in its skull before burying it in a shallow grave without a eulogy or even a box to keep the maggots out
>>69903187
Thanks
>>69903144
Fear Factory
FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS
Can we revive Paradise Lost posting for 2017?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjQtMioX6z4
>>69903413
But Anon elderly abuse is not metal
>>69903295
exactly it's most metal media player
>>69903413
>Paradise Lost
>the only good track on the album is a cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sINYEQZD-Ds
Is Opeth gothic metal?
>>69903494
Opeth is regressive mallcore
old heavy metal is pretty much light metal now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgv-qBBT3Y
holy shit, i haven't listened to this in so long actually forgot how amazing it actually is
>>69903703
Easily the best early dm release
>>69903703
i can't even listen to it anymore
aside from Mother Man
>>69903413
>mfw i see old people
psst ballards dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT-L5kAVLUw
>>69903397
What exactly did he mean by you got to bleed for the dancer?
Let's take a moment to look for the answer.
>>69904237
>dio lyrics
>>69903040
MGŁA =/= MGLA
>>69904461
MGLwithstrokeA
Is it ok to play a dragonforce song to impress a girl ?
>>69905078
Absolutely yes and I guarantee it will get you laid every time.
>>69905078
that's like trying to impress a girl by showing her how fast you can beat super mario world
>>69905078
>>69905119
This will also get you laid everytime
guarantee 100%
>>69905078
>>69905119
What if you play a Dragonforce song while also speedrunning Super Mario World?
>>69905165
pretty much 100% chance of getting laid regardless of the girl's personality, sexual preferences, social and economic stature
>>69905165
Girls will be drawn to your presence and begin blowing you
You will be a pimp and have a robust harem
guarantee laid 100% everyall times constant bjs
Finally got my hands on a copy of this, quite hard to find in Europe. Definitely top tier funeral doom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jLmsfwaJnA
>>69905245
meh-tier
>>69903091
>tfw you elected someone president only for shits and giggles
>tfw you now listen to hitler speeches before going to the gym because they motivate you
>inb4 >>>/pol/
All you cringelords listen to trash cringemetal
>>69905285
just remember that a new soldier follows the path of a new king
>>69905403
true 2bh
>>69905261
Care to recommend anything you'd say is better? New stuff always welcome.
>>69905506
Nah. I've said all I care to say.
>>69905506
not him but you might enjoy these, and i always like giving recs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KXbffk6Etk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cNGgzgLr1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-t1qe_HOow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yunFi6FLhjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPfoTCuB6GY
median age of this thread: 15
>>69905571
AOTY '80???
we /funeral kek/ now?
>>69905571
quick what was everyone's AOTY for 2001
>>69905561
These are good
did /meal/ have a nice christmas? I got some nice CDs and giftcards
>>69905525
Then you're a douche.
>>69905716
Tool's Lateralus was easily the best album of 2001
>>69905716
Toxicity
>>69905750
Why's that friend?
>>69905742
>25 CDs
>DSO shirt and Abnormality shirt
>fucking MAYHEM hoodie
>and a gift card to Barnes & Noble
brety gud I'd say
>>69905716
Current 93 & Thomas Ligotti - This Degenerate Little Town for AOTY
for Metal AOTY, it would be a tie between Anaal Nathrakh - The Codex Necro and Pig Destroyer - Prowler In The Yard
>>69905742
i got nothing, since i got no one
it was a pretty shitty day overall but not the shittier than the average shitty day, i guess it just feels worse cause it's christmas and all
>>69905734
i'm glad you like them, anon
>>69905783
damn, that's pretty awesome
>>69905716
A7x - Sounding the Seventh Trumpet
>>69905561
Thanks!
Wasn't familiar with Colosseum, but I know the others. Actually opened for both Mournful Congregation and Ataraxie back when I still played in a band, kek.
>>69905571
I'll be the oldfag lurking in the corner.
>>69905798
Solid choices. Does Atomsmasher get counted as metal? Fairly sure that was 2001 as well.
>>69905824
yee, Atomsmasher is experimental cybergrind, don't know if it's 2001 though
>>69905716
Cathedral's Endtyme
>>69905802
>I'll be the oldfag lurking in the corner
So just some old guy watching a bunch of 15 year olds?
why don't you have a seat over there
>>69905716
Sort of torn between
>Finntroll - Jaktens Tid
which is the very album that got me into metal or
>Summoning - Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame
Best track was definitely Lugubrum - Kannibaal.
>>69905716
Cult of Luna s/t
>>69905842
Don't judge
>>69905716
Slipknot's Iowa
>>69905842
Much appreciated, standing all the time is becoming harder at this age.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nTrB0gkGk
Reminder
>>69905978
legit worst meme of the year
>>69905995
Agreed, black metal is definitely a shitty meme
>>69906011
>ele não faz parte do Culto Al Sol
>tfw too intelligent for black metal
>>69906029
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Zuhe/Culto_al_Sol/489634
This? I'm not part of this?
>>69906071
That's why Ash Borer's Thinking Man's Black Metal exists
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/lifting-the-veil-on-ash-borers-thinking-mans-black-metal
>>69906073
holy shit, that's awesome
nah, Culto Al Sol is just a fictional cult in Blacklodge's concept albums (and they're a personal favorite BM band)
>>69906103
is there a more cringe worthy meme than ''Thinking man's [genre]''?
more like Mattel
>>69906122
>is there a more cringe worthy meme than ''Thinking man's [genre]''?
djent
>>69906103
>vice
>thinking mans black metal
It's worse than I thought
>>69906150
As in, metal is a children's toy, and we are therefore children for listening to it?
>>69905716
Rammstein - Mutter
>>69906216
i wish i was a child 2bh
>>69906156
>It's the year 2032, Thinking Man's Djent gets popular out of nowhere
>Noisey and Pitchfork slip in their own cum puddles trying to be the first to cash in on the idea
>/mu/ embraces bands like Periphery as /mu/-core
>jeans brands have to invent skinnier skinny jeans to keep up with the new trend
>Jari finally releases Time II
>>69906253
>no
>>69906246
You and dmshotaguy both
n e 1 here from ghana
i want start band in ghana
>>69906264
>yes
>>69906282
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>69906267
I wonder what DMSG is up to
if he hasn't offed himself already
>>69906297
>I said no
>>69906267
yeah but dmsg just wants to experience early sexual awakening, i just want to feel like a little kid again, to not hear the bloodbells chime if you will
>>69906282
Ghana has so much amazing music, familia
don't deny that this is funky shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd0PV82e1jE
>>69906316
pretty sure he's still active in RYM and Metal Archives
>>69906325
sorry cant hear you with your dick in my mouth
djent
>>69906360
reported
>>69906365
Stop reporting me
>>69906216
You know what I mean
You know what you've done
Are Batushka christian?
>>69906417
There's no reason a grown man can't play with Mattel brand children's toys. It's not illegal.
>>69906344
>not thrashing 'til death in 2001
You should be nailed to the cross!
Can anyone help me out here. Trying to find the video/music video for some Japanese death metal/metalcore band all I remember is they go around the city throughout the music video and it shows them on/in stage also. I can't find it for the life of me.
>>69906436
No.
>>69906417
i don't like how ominous that sounded
>>69906470
They actually are
>>69906436
I think they were banned from entering Russia because they were perceived to be mocking the Russian Orthodox church
>>69906465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW_y31bRW3M
>>69906506
No they aren't.
>>69906103
noisey is nu-male trash but ash borer is actually pretty good
>>69906506
Their stage costumes make me think it's highly unlikely they are
>>69906511
So Putin knows who the band members are? Those damn Russian hackers...
does anyone here like spinebreaker?
>>69906521
>>69906562
I'll call them right now and ask if they are
>>69906787
Alright. Be sure to record the phone call.
>>69906635
spinebreaker? more like nu-malebreaker
>>69906635
2hardcore4me
>>69906818
Are you thinking of Oathbreaker?
>>69906885
you sure?
post /sad/
>>69906787
http://www.hitkiller.com/batushka-interview-everything-that-i-wanted-to-tell-is-in-the-music-in-the-lyrics-and-in-the-cover-art.html
Here's an interview, still doesn't really answer the question though
Are there any good Botswanan death metal bands, or any good African metal bands for that matter? I'd love to hear some awesome super tribal sounding shit
>>69905716
Terria by Devy
>>69906998
There are some, they're generally mediocre, and they don't sound tribal.
You're better off listening to Sepultura's Roots
>>69906998
>I'd love to hear some awesome super tribal sounding shit
>>69907046
>African
>>69906998
check these guys out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHzWSaKmmpE
they're from angola
although there's no tribal metal from Africa, african people playing metal really aren't different from the average joe starting a random metal band
>>69907061
>implying we don't all come from Africa anyway
>>69907061
see>>69907037
and >>69907062
> african people playing metal really aren't different
QUICK, post the ugliest memetal album you can think of
>>69907073
The Out of Africa theory has been rebuked many times over already. End this meme
>>69907073
solid meme
>>69907114
You mean debunked and not by any major reputable scientist it hasn't. It's still the prevailing theory.
>>69907108
>>69907108
r e m i n d e r
>>69906635
They're really solid with some heavy riffs, where a lot of newer death metal bands sound like they forgot how to riff.
>>69906839
Because of all the d-beats? I'd rather have that than a blast beats for half an hour, makes it more headbangy imhofam.
new hail spirit noir is GOAT
>>69907187
"AAARRGGHH!"
-Euronymous
I guess Varg really did do the right thing.
>>69907198
that band is /pol/ before /pol/ was even a thing
Anyone?
Tis' a masterpiece.
>>69907187
he was 1 year old when he wrote this though
>>69907154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfDnWGICxvQ
WE CLIMBED DOWN FROM THE STARS
TO STAND BEFORE YOU AS IDOLS
>>69907248
So these aliens came from space and what, immediately starting having sex with monkeys?
overrated
>>69907287
Exactly how highly rated do you think this album is? It's not like Razor is extremely well known.
>>69907341
anyone who knows a little about thrash knows about them though
Which Gorgoroth albums do normies listen to?
>>69907287
>cult classic thrash album
>overrated
how
>>69907368
No. Anyone who knows a little about thrash knows Metallica and Slayer. Then Anthrax and Megadeth. Maybe some Sepultura. Then maybe Testament and Exodus.
After a while you'll learn about Razor. If anything they're underrated.
When did you realize they are the best Thrash band of all time?
>>69907377
>>69907480
I remember when exactly, because it was the day Trump lost the 2016 election.
>>69907237
indeed it is with johnny's back is a personal favourite
Gorguts + Nargaroth = Gorgoroth
>>69906122
i got trolled, this is buttblack
>>69907625
Naw, it's Thinking Man's Black Metal
You must not be a thinking man
>>69907480
>>69907499
What the fuck are you wrong ass faggots on about
>>69907625
you know what to do compadre
>>69907649
What are you confused about?
>>69907480
Thinking man's thrash
>>69907625
literally dubstep black metal
>>69907485
Edgy
>>69907928
Edguy
>BM will never get as good as this again
Why even bother
>>69908069
Ed, Edd & Edguy
what's the most teutonic thrash there is
like, something so german it'll make you grow a fucking gasmask
>>69908196
t. nu-male atmoshitter
Do the guys at Sunn O))) actually know what they are playing or do they just dick around?
>>69908235
They put a microphone next to a malfunctioning fridge, lock vocalist in a casket and record it, job done.
Not hard to remember.
>>69908210
that's literally it, friendo
>>69906624
kek
>>69908282
loooooooooooooooooooooooool so funny
>>69908229
>Weakling
>Atmo
>>69908196
t. nu-male atmoshitter
>>69908320
Without wishing to come across as bait, why are Mgla shit on so much?
Never listened to them, but the shitposting makes me want to check them out to see why they're such a fucking joke.
>>69908308
Weakling, WITTR, Panopticon, the list goes on...
>>69908343
>he thinks Mgla is not the greatest band there has ever been
terminate yourself
>>69908343
because non-metalheads can get into them
>>69908282
Sweet I can do that too
I find it absurd that tickets to their shows are $40
>>69908343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt5_hI3ySCw
>>69908357
Can a single band from America, Norway, or anywhere else even touch the Polish scene?
And can any band even hope or dare to compete with Mgwa?
No and no
>>69908320
>>69908405
nice flaseflag
>>69908427
Nice admission of defeat
>>69908401
Sounds like someone didn't practice before they recorded and it's even inspiring
>>69908401
Just sounds like pretty standard atmoblack, WiTTR with more lo-fi production to try and be more trve.
I can't say I see the big deal that has turned them into such dank memelords.
>>69906282
Was there a couple months ago, you're a tad late.
>>69908405
im thinking they are polish jews though because youtube recommends everyone listen to MGŁA and Batushka no matter what else you're listening to
>>69908352
WITTR is trve orthodox black metal
>>69908506
They haven't recommended it to me. Maybe youtube thinks you're a jew.
>>69908506
It's all (((((you)))))
>>69908405
i know that is memeing but even if we're talking Polish scene than Iperyt shits on absolutely everything Memegla has ever released
>>69908597
Please, Iperyt are just talentless edgelords.
>>69908621
first off, no
second, that definition fits everyone in the Polish BM scene to a tee
>>69908668
>that definition fits everyone in the Polish BM scene to a tee
>Iperyt are Polish
therefore Iperyt are talentless edgelords
>>69908668
What
Didn't you just contradict yourself?
>>69907187
This guy needs him some Jesus
>>69908723
Well he got some
He got all the jesus
>>69908462
When it first came out, a decade ago, it caused quite the stir I can tell you. It sounded new, refreshing even.
80s black metal is best black metal
>>69908744
How did it do that when it sounds like second wave worship
>>69908702
yeah, holy shit, i need to get straight
what i meant was that calling Iperyt edgelords is a moot point cause every polish BM musician is one, but i forgot the talentless part plus it was poorly worded
>>69908723
i have walked with Jesus
Does Fu Manchu make the most metal riffs despite not being a metal band?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zko7pBeHkk
>>69908759
You mean 2016 80's black metal
>>69908744
>It sounded new, refreshing even
But it came out after the stuff that made generic atmoshit a thing.
Even the WiTTR demo was out in 2005.
>>69908774
no, bong rock is shit
daily Voivod post
Doom qts
>>69908855
only boys can be cute
I just realised that Om is quite literally Drum'n'Bass pre-2011.
quads
>>69908882
>be a fag
>that's still not qt
Maybe you're just too far gone.
>>69908855
Lori S. of Acid King is a damn real woman.
>>69908882
jesus look at the beak on that one
>>69908889
...What?
>>69908897
Pedos are never qt
>>69908915
Since when was HHH a diddler?
>>69908882
indeed they can be
>>69908889
you must be retarded then
>>69908760
Can't say how the hype started, right sound at the right time I suppose.
>>69908791
Nobody knew the WitTR demo, only few caught on with the first album, and they only really got going with Two Hunters - which was released well after Mdłości.
>>69908889
man, that guy is giving me some self-diet resistor flashbacks
>>69908897
see >>69908915
>>69908924
that's dmsg my man
>>69908855
Grind qt
>>69908915
>>69908926
Well literally speaking, pre-2011 just drums and bass. Pretty bad attempt of a joke I admit.
>>69908958
That was supposed to be a joke?
>>69908939
That was meant to be the joke, just using the filename.
Wasn't aware he was a diddler either though to be fair. I just assumed he was a dick with shit taste.
>>69908958
i know what you meant
how did you not realize that immediately upon hearing them
ah yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_En82zFPC4c
>>69908958
>joke so bad you literally can't tell if it's a joke
>>69908977
i don't think dmsg is an actual kiddie diddler, he just likes shotacon (at least from what i know)
flags don't lie
>>69909009
Close enough to diddlin' for me.
>>69909013
>>69903413
>tfw Paradise Lost is legitimately one of your favorite bands
pls no bully
>>69909013
Is there a template of this?
Someone make one with Sludge, Doom, Stoner, Black and Death.
>>69909013
Why is trad metal so high-waisted
>>69909009
hey i remember making this reaction face
you filthy criminal
>>69909036
We're sharing memes now?
>>69909055
Dadmetal, and its fairly common for stereotypical dads to wear jeans high.
Is my guess, anyway.
Brutal death, deathgrind, and deathcore are not music. Prove me wrong.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3qC_zQ4Po
>>69908791
Oh, addendum. Mgła surfed on the back of a wave of orthodox black metal rather than atmospheric black metal. Which meant it got a wider following amongst the 'trve' crowd while they, in a later stage, also got discovered by the more 'atmospheric' fans.
>Unlike the other Gothenburg influenced bullshit on this list, In Flames actually has riffs; they just aren’t very good. The real problem is In Flames sound more like Linkin Park than At the Gates or even Amon Amarth. When Amon Amarth is a better metal band than you, you have problems that need solving. Perhaps In Flames should call Mr. Wolf before shooting themselves.
>>69909071
i steal everything my man
>>69909090
>surfed on the back of a wave of orthodox black metal
How do you do that when you yourself are not orthodox BM?
>>69909051
Are they even Black Metal anymore?
>>69909088
My favorite part of this is how at no point does he actually say anything that would prove his argument.
>>69909133
They stopped being metal and went dissoshit on their third album.
>>69909088
I don't even get fazed by that video anymore.
I just find it too funny.
are these people serious
>>69909154
>They stopped being metal
It was still dissonant metal.
>>69909158
haha, holy shit that actually got me to laugh out loud
Is metal
>>69909198
This is basically sludge metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR0K0mmm6R4
>>69909174
dissoshit isn't metal there are no riffs
>>69909240
>>69909198
buttmetal at best
>>69909158
This is as serious as droneshit gets
>>69909267
>AiC
>buttmetal
kys my man
What's the band you hate the absolute most, and why?
>>69908889
lool the fuck are you on m8
metal for this feel?
>>69909328
did you just want to gross us out
>>69909122
Kriegsmaschine, their message, and a slight lack of info beyond that. Only chance to catch anything live was attending Kriegsmaschine gigs.
Come to think of it, I saw Mdłości and Further Down the Nest played live somewhere before 2010. Was pretty cool.
>>69909316
Liturgy
Obvious reasons. It's just obnoxiously awful music (other than the few pretty alright tracks on Aesthethica) and their pretentiousness is a cherry on the cake.
Runner up would be Astronoid as fucking christ Air is awful.
>>69909328
thanks for the fap material
>>69909316
fucking Death
overrated garbage, chuck was a a shit-tier vocalist
their early albums had the most boring riffs ever, their latter albums were as bad and went totally proge
>>69909434
I thought you fucked off dmshareguy
>>69909316
Tool is absolutely hateful in absolutely every fucking way possible both in ways they control (their music being total shit) and in ways they don't (their fan base being made almost entirely of cunts)
>>69909360
HHH's side projects are far more hateful than Liturgy, like that piece of shit he released on bandcamp, that's where you see both the music at it's worst and the pretension reaching mass capacity
>>69909316
I can't think of any metal band I hate that isn't an easy target like coreshit or butt metal
>>69909443
reminder that this is objectively a masterpiece
>>69909480
Pretentious wank
Liturgy of DM
>>69909443
isn't Death generally disliked around here?
i personally really like Spiritual Healing and Human is alright i guess and Leprosy has some cool moments, but everything else is just mind numbingly dull
>>69909473
what butt metal/coreshit band do you hate the most then
i fucking despise Arch Enemy for one
>>69909480
i actually thought that album was really good, just not a masterpiece
>>69909445
>HHH's side projects are far more hateful than Liturgy
Considering how much I hate Liturgy, I never want to experience their side projects. I may implode from pure disgust.
>>69909498
>isn't Death generally disliked around here?
No, most people here like Death, it's just contrarian fags are very vocal about their distaste.
>>69909360
Aesthetica is overall a good psychedelic bm album imo famalam but i get your point
>>69909498
>what butt metal/coreshit band do you hate the most
Emmure and Falling in Reverse
Mainly because the frontment are total douchebags
>>69909541
i doubt it
http://www.strawpoll.me/11961798
http://www.strawpoll.me/11961798
http://www.strawpoll.me/11961798
http://www.strawpoll.me/11961798
http://www.strawpoll.me/11961798
http://www.strawpoll.me/11961798
>>69909509
vomit and squirm, anon
https://kelvalhaal.bandcamp.com/releases
not just at the music, but i guarantee you that if you hate Liturgy-style pretension you will fucking explode at that description
and hipster ate it up, hilariously
>>69909498
Scream Bloody Gore for lyfe.
>>69909573
>Bazeel II
That shit sounds like corrupted Nintendo song lmao
>>69909582
no joke, all of those riffs bored the shit out of me
>>69909607
that's the first thing that came to mind to me too
Ontological Love is hilariously awful
>>69909360
>>69909445
I fucking love HHH even though his music is shit
Metal needs more master rusemen like him
The Ark Work and his new album were my Comedy AOTY
>stop doing drugs
wtf i hate doom metal now
>>69909637
HHH is the greatest ruseman in music, i'll give you that
>>69909573
It's even better when you watch the 8th grade animation music video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2KsccOJy1w
>>69909617
>>69909637
Why do you cringe idiots support meme music
>>69909682
memes are life
>>69909682
I don't buy it so I don't support it
>>69909682
shitposting bonuses
plus i don't even talk about liturgy and i haven't bought music in years now so i don't know how i'm supporting anybody
>>69909663
As an academician who doesn't do drugs, I still listen to doom.
>>69909637
this
i just can't hate this guy
what a patrician
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTMIoBQ8PRM
HHH is Chris Chan of black metal
>>69909758
I prefer SSS pickups
>>69909744
i'd check his Hunter bag if you know what i mean
>>69909758
that title belongs to Apator though
>>69907025
my nigga
>>69909088
learn how to post YT links
>>69909088
rip moonshake
>>69903030
You are an annoying cunt even if I agree with that statement
Just posting the greatest black metal song to exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlSG6GUbsuU
>>69909953
literally SOTY for 2009
>>69909480
genuinely one of the worst pieces of shit I've heard
>>69905078
It'll get you laid but it's also shit if you want to play a good song play something by atheist but that won't get you laid.
>>69909953
This never fails to make me chuckle
It's even better with the full German spoken word intro
>>69905078
>not playing a slide guitar
>8 clean guitar strums
>lightning strikes
>GHOST OF
>>69909509
>Considering how much I hate Liturgy, I never want to experience their side projects. I may implode from pure disgust.
no, no you definitely should give Survival a chance if you're into stuffy like Kyuss or Kylesa
also his pretentiousness is F U N because theres no need to take it seriously and the rabbit hole goes deep