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>DG

>>69761513
Wagner really wanted to be a filmmaker.

>>69761964
But films didn't exist back then.

stop shitting on the jazz thread fellas

>>69762446
Stop getting trolled by poly.

>>69762455
I like to get trolled.

Daily reminder that electronic music is the new classical.

Anyone who doesn't listen to classical music is a total piece of shit.

>tfw reading Glenn Gould's diaries
>tfw at some point he literally loses all of his skills immediatly
>tfw 30 years of intense practice just to play te Goldberg's Variations once and a few fugues from the AoF

Fuck, it's heartbreaking, truly. Also as a pianist it's basically my worse nightmare: he basically went from being one of the most successfull virtuoso in the word to a complete amateur who misses most notes and can't keep rythm in a matter of days.

>>69763506
He over-exaggerated. Look at his disco, he was recording consistently. Also his Brahms was one of his last recordings and he didn't practice them until a week before the sessions

>>69763457
This is true.

>>69763553
I didn't know Glenn Gould made disco

>>69763457
hear hear

>>69763587
It's hell of a lot better than his Bach

>>69763713
But his Bach is - dare I say it? - flawless.

>>69761408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkFgs52vDbQ&list=WL&index=24

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daddy

>>69763457
Anyone who doesn't like New Complexity is a plebe. Anyone who likes Minimalism should consider suicide.

>>69762446
Jazz is pretty alright. Based even.

ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXQPXfYZ5kg

>>69763907
What is this daddy shit

Last Christmas by Wham is better than the Art of Fugue.

>>69764138
>he doesn't have a millennial gf

>poly is shilling his New Complexity shit again
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

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>>69764226
>he hasn't accepted Ferneyhough into his life

not even poly

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRwbPIhkoe0
Why is he so perfect /classical/?

>>69764270
Why listen to Brian FARTneyhough when i could listen to Hall & Oates? Checkmate retard.

>>69763743
I meant because its Bach desu

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>>69764565
> liking Hall & Oates
> not liking Spandau Ballet instead

>>69764565
>>69764787
You have the entire rest of the board to talk about this shit you guys. Jesus.

>>69764852
/classical/ is for discussion of 80s momcore groups, what are you talking about.

>>69764885
>Hey guys memes lol

Now you have to go back

>>>r/music

>>69764885
>le pretending to be retarded

>>69764940
>>69764968
Sorry we aren't discussing Bach for the millionth time and watching poly jerk off about literally who

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n0VDA_9lDQ&index=10&list=PLoRpTbWXBTvyTJHDniJL-t5TcBYM9yxAn

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>what kind of music do you want f@m?
>chopin but with loud autistic freak outs
>say no more

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>>69765020
you can go with him. This is unacceptable

>>69765020
Sell this to me, why should i be interested

>>69765214
If you have to ask, you'll never know. . . .

Scarlatti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIkHB4aa730

>>69765214
I mean occasionally there are some pretty tasty tone clusters in there but honestly I can't understand the appeal of a whole piece that sounds like this

>>69765468
>>69765214
Reminder that your IQ has to be around 135 to enjoy Ferneyhough.

>>69765510
Welp, guess I'm too smart for him, then.

>>69765555
ice cold

and quads to boot.

>>69765555
what's your occupation?

>>69765638
4chan shitposter

Just leaving a few left handed piano pieces here, move along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Ty22blCiA
Scriabin Prelude op9no1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzKZslyF7Vc
Malgre tout by Manuel Ponce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xa_E219Nxs
Prelude and Fugue by Manuel Ponce

Just a few of my favorites, reminds me of the summer I broke my wrist

>>69766019
schulhoff's suite for the left hand is pretty tight

bela bartok sucks

>>69766056
neato, thanks for the tip

>>69765063
if that's the extent of your comprehension of Scriabin I feel sorry for you, but most importantly, I would urge you to go back to r*ddit.

>>69766252
Liszt did it better and first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB_hPlDtNN0

>>69766019
godowskys six waltz poems too

>>69765510
Reminder that the most advanced mathematical applications of music theory are no more difficult than Grade 8 mathematics.

>b-but muh inversions!

>>69766514
We need to get some IUTeich into music somehow

>>69766514
I would disagree
I would think the physics of harmonics would apply to music theory, and harmonics aren't grade 8 math. sure whole number ratios would be but so few instruments have perfect harmonics like that. intonation is more complicated than you probably realize

>>69766623
Not really because intonation and tuning is separate from music theory. But the fact that you pointed it out as more advanced than music theory since the more compositional aspects are apparently more barren in this regard seems to prove my original point further.

I'm not saying music is easy. The art of is difficult, but the mathematical aspect of it, especially 20th century music, definitely is.

I always like to look at this website whenever I contemplate mathematics and music theory

http://ddurham.weebly.com/geomusic.html

its mostly bs and arbitrary coincidence i think, but there is something satisfying about the perfect geometry of chords that symmetrically divide the octave

I sort of want to get the augmented triad tattooed to my body

>>69766795
>>69766706
>>69766623
>>69766564
>>69766514
Get out you nerds, this is classical thread, not algebra class.

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>>69766252
wrong

>>69766826
t. dumb American

>>69766795

>>69766514 here

Even though I was railing against math vs. music above, I don't think it's a coincidence. the list of geometrical beauties inherent in the diatonic scale of Western music is endless. For example, one of my favouites:

Are you familiar with modes? Have you or anyone else had difficulties remembering them? This is a little-known fact about them. In every mode, the scale degree of the flattened note is also reciprocally the number of the mode which contains a flattened version of the number of the mode under consideration. So: in mode 2 (Dorian) there is a flat scale degree 3. Therefore, mode 3 (Phrygian) will contain a flat 2.

Another way to think about it: mode 7 (Locrian) contains FIVE flattened scale degrees (2, 3, 5, 6, 7). Now, which modes have flat 7th scale degrees? Yeah, modes 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7.

Some people may know this already but I went to music school and things like that are not commonly taught when addressing the modes (or more accurately, the tonal system in general).

>>69766951
but the Dorian is tonally more of a minor counterpart to the mixolydian so I don't exactly see the significance since the Chromatic scale is missing key members of the overtone series anyway.

>>69767008
>but the Dorian is tonally more of a minor counterpart to the mixolydian
Well it can be both, clearly.

>the Chromatic scale is missing key members of the overtone series

When I'm talking about "flattened" notes, these aren't chromatic, it's just customary to relate them to the "unflattened" Ionian (major) scale.

>>69766951
woah this is interesting.

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>tfw high schoolers than don't purchase music hijack your thread

>>69767086
giving money to the shitty world of modern classical academia.

>>69767125
whoops, forgot to add my meme arrow.

>>69767086
>buying from the Yellow Label

>>69766951
thats fucking weird

you brainfucked the shit out of me just then

Fav short piece?

>>69767086
>womeme on the cover

wouldn't even pirate

>>69768135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzqaFWyUL2U

Why are all of Dvorak's symphonies so perfect?

>>69769529
they aren't

>>69768135
define short

>>69769628
under 20 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KdFK2kRiOo
what did he mean by this?
>>69769715
the good parts from beethoven's 9th symphony

>>69768135
Locatelli's introduttioni

>>69769839
Beethoven btfo

>>69763587
He means discography.
>>69764138
It's something millenial retards like Milo Yiannapolous say about famous people they like.

>>69770166
>>69769839
samefag

>>69770409
>his girlfriend has never called him daddy

lmao, beta

Do you guys have any good performances that aren't talked about? We only talk about meme recordings it seems.

>>69768135
Ive's the Unanswered Question or Ketelbey's In a Persian Market

>>69770477
>sharing the collection you've carefully curated over the years with a bunch of ungrateful teenagers

there's a reason for that

>>69770510
I'm grateful Anon, I'm grateful...

>>69770510
they just want to put rare stuff on their rym

>>69770477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p01w8MpOkxM

>>69770569
No, on my r/Classical account. r/Classical >>>>>>>> RYM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ede2QMi5JM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw-zU4c6J48
03:50

Anyone know the pw for the Christmas music in the Renaissance folder?

>>69762455
I dont go into jazz threads. Pretty much just classical and any thread with Bach in the OP

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hmm

>>69770929
What does 11:10 and 7:5 mean?

>>69771043
11:10 is bedtime and 7 to 5 is the work schedule

>>69771043
they're tuplets. basically play 11 eighth notes in the time it would take to play 10 eighth notes. 7:5 means that 7 notes will be played in the time it take to play 5 of those eleven

if anyone has questions about complex notation get at me

t. guy with a composition degree

>>69771137
First time I've seen it. I think I understand but it makes my brain hurt trying to tap it out.

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>>69771255
what's going on here

what's with her bow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb81dD7Mems

>>69771427
Wow, and I heard pro violinists cry about col legno because they don't like scratching their expensive bows.

>>69771427
>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""(((((((((((((((((((((((((((music))))))))))))))))))))))""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>69771382
it's a form of decoupled notation. It's basically like a guitar tablature in that the notation is depicting the action rather than any of the sounding pitches. I assume the first staff determines where the bow goes in relation to the bridge and fingerboard (sul ponticello to sul tasto). the second staff seems to indicate bow speed or down and up bows. the third staff corresponds to each string the bow goes on. and the Hand staff is probably the placement of the hand on the fingerboard.

>>69771427
you're basically hearing the hair and the wood of the bow at the same time. gives you a kind of half col legno sound.

>>69771647
too deep for you? stick to mozart kid

>>69772035
>fucking around
>deep
>yfw this is what all contempcucks think

>>69772119
you think mozart wasn't fucking around? he came up with some of the dumbest progressions imaginable, and turned them into fugues and minuets. probably shitting himself with laughter as he was composing.

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>>69771924
>>69772256
do it again and the cyberpolice will get involved

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>>69768135
Improvisation Op 84 No 5
All recordings on youtube are shit unfortunately.

>>69772319
Who's that roastie?

>>69763506
>Fuck, it's heartbreaking, truly.

he walked with the titans and left his recordings for all time to behold. there is no sorrow to his story, only complete victory.

as for the rest of us mediocre soon-to-be-if-not-already-halfway-forgotten who have musical ambitions but lack genius, and the resources to devote ourselves wholly to our craft, well, we are the tragedies.

>>69772513
>left his recordings for all time to behold
Now this is heartbreaking.

>>69772035
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.
Mozart is exit-level.

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>>69773305
ok kid

>>69773409
>No hilarious demonism, but rather the most ordinary common sense, leads me to declare that since the Viennese discovery, every composer outside the serial experiments has been useless.
What did he mean by this?

What are your favorite performances by
>Michelangeli
>Horowitz
>Pollini
>Rubinstein
>Arrau

>>69773531
the ones where I listen to pianists that aren't shit

What makes G*rman music superior?

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>>69773749
>G*rman
this shit again?

Yesterday night I've listened to the Missa Solemnis live. I've cried like a bitch, I've literally never experienced anything as beautiful as that mass.

What should to listen to now?

>son triste

>>69774252
>What should to listen to now?
maybe something that's actually good

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>>69772256
Good shit, but I can't subscribe just yet because I'm going to delete my old Google account.

who has a good brahms interpretation desu?

Futurism is so interesting. It was embraced by nationalists and fascists for being forward-thinking and bold but also criticized by others for being degenerate and not traditional enough. Who was in the wrong here? Are there any other examples of abomination art that doesn't fall into one category?

>>69774551
>good
>brahms

are you being serious or is this bait

>>69768135
desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvc2K_5JWho

>>69774551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPTM7r7eFrM
>>69773642
>>69774281
>>69774587
Pleb pls go

>>69772256
Fucking subbed aria was great.

Sup /classical/
I can't remember the name of a song. It's choral, and if I remember correctly, it starts off with violins and then women start singing. At some point men start singing and then they start singing together.
Anyone know?
thanks in advance

>>69766466
better than his macabre counterpart

Appreciating my french breakfast while listening to Daphnis & Chloé

>patrician

Should I just go to every classical music concert in my area? Our town orchestra (Milan, La Scala) plays almost every weekend and the tickets are somewhat cheap (I can get in with about 30 euros).

I'm asking because I'm a legit friendless autist. Is going there alone, while looking like shit too awkward or the people there?

>>69776071
just put on a suit and get a monocule, you'll look rad senpai

>>69776109
hi redddit

>>69776044
>being proud of being a poorffag who cant afford a well rounded meal

>>69775530
pls respond

>>69776071
Personally I don't see the point of going to a live performance unless you have world class performers. I only fully experience music when I am listening to an exceptional performance with headphones. I really didn't enjoy any of the concerts I went to in the last season more than hearing recordings. Honestly I probably wont buy another season.

>>69775530
>>69776128

Its called The St. Matthew Passion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTyZoupc1w

Anyone know what song this is? Its stuck in my head but i have no clue.

>>69776200
nope, it's cheery in the throughout the sound and then towards the end, it sort of gets darkish

>>69776304
Okay its Handels Messiah sorry

>>69776122
Being proud of being retarded

>>69776352
Fuck yea thanks man!

>>69776548
goddammit. I was hoping to lead you on. You are a retard though. What you described could be dozens of different things. Never come back to this general or I will link you to a Stockhausen piece.

Are extended techniques killing classical music? Does gimmicky shit even count?

>>69776852
fuck no. playing the same goddamned shit every concert from the same 200~ year period by the same 10 guys is

>>69776852
col legno was once considered an extended technique. same with sul pont. Now they're standard string techniques.
Technique alone doesn't do anything to music. Its how you handle it.

guys I need some music for my ennui
or maybe to discuss it if y'all are still awake
currently downing rum to the Eroica

>>69777378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDrOdCtnkfs

>>69777448
how's it going my anon?

Mozart was a cheap hack.

He reuses so many elements whenever he involves a piano and only shows signs of progression as a composer in his final symphony.

>>69780497
>Mozart was a cheap hack.
this

>>69773749
>Not glorious imperialistic Soviet music

>>69776071
>Is going there alone, while looking like shit too awkward or the people there?
You will be mostly surrounded by old folks and clueless families and they don't give a shit.

The only awkward thing about attending alone is the line to enter the venue, so try getting early if you want to avoid it

>>69776071
No problem at all. I do it all the time since it's the only way to get discounted rush seats right in front of the featured soloist.

Protip, sit front row left orchestra just off from the center.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBxtOjqlzYM

like a dream

>>69780497
>He reuses so many elements whenever he involves a piano
Like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2npBcyrXHO8

>>69782140
Its just boring, he hits the keys with he sustain pedal mostly off. He doesn;t even put anything on the strings like bolts, or bow them.

posting the objective best version of Czardas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRYcUBtlU0

>>69783042
Damn look at that look in their faces.
You just know they fucked.

>>69783086
the entire vid is how I imagine them fucking

>>69783042

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR3MEysCgnk

>>69783147
Uh, that is NOT how sex works, Anonymous. You're clearly a virgin.

>>69783186
>>69783042
That's e nough. This thread isn't for discussion of popular tunes.

>>69783229
what are you some fucking sort of mega hipster?

>>69783186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juo8Dmy-w4g

What's the best recording of Tristan?

>>69784076
Furtwangler

>>69784076
Bohm

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>Sonata form
>Not repeating the exposition

What is the meaning of this? Why did this begin? Don't they know that this fucks up the entire form of the piece? Who's fault is it?

What's the best version of Handels messiah available on spotify?

>>69784145
People have been fucking around with sonata form ever since it was invented. Sometimes they don't even include a development section, which is practically the whole point of the form.

>>69762005
So he created a 15 hours meme.

>>69784145
Who cares? Sonata form is just a guideline more than anything. If composers want to structure their music a bit differently, so be it.

>>69784236
I mean 9 times out of 10 if I'm listening to a classical symphony, the recording doesn't take the repeat. Shit pisses me off, its there for a reason.

>>69784266
OH, I thought you were talking about composers doing it. In that case, yeah, i'ts bullshit.

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>>69770477
Ernest Ansermet - Beethoven Cycle

1st https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s4oALDgRvc&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq

2nd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgpR55sMvns&index=2&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq

3rd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k471YAifZM8&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq&index=3

4th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9RWkPap88I&index=4&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq

5th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCzF9rwdWmg&index=5&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq

6th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CbJ286UdJE&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq&index=6

7th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vT1XIIxe2k&index=7&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq

8th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_A2tLKTPCg&index=8&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq

9th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8_vj0zmQs&index=9&list=PL0qz7jwpf-Dp6jzfnnjoypoo8g4AEFouq

>>69784266
>its there for a reason
And that reason is because they didn't have recording playbacks back then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxm8HbUuKXc

>>69784076
Best studio ones are the ones by Kleiber and Janowski, in my opinion. Haven't heard enough live ones to make a decision on those.

>>69784266
Some repeats are better off not taken, in my opinion. If you take all the ones in Brahms 2nd symphony the first movement becomes 20 minutes long...

>>69782140
Motifs, resolutions, and rhythmic patterns.

>>69785354
FURTHER

>>69785354
I want to bang her mom desu

>>69785354
is this the female sam hyde

23 versions of the goldberg variations

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWBVVW3tweki-oxnePFIGXISt5OfscSpX

Rameau = King

Repeats should always be ignored.

https://youtu.be/3xHIhcstxUM

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>In this ensemble of longtime collaborators, all the musicians wield iPods in addition to their instruments, while navigating scores that combine cartography and evocative graphic notation, creating a musical tapestry combining live performance and sampled sound from *******’s extensive recorded discography.

Is this the future of music?

>>69788851
Why did you censor this?

>>69788851
I think maybe we should just drop music education all together and bring it back in like a millenium

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>>69788995
Too drastic. Just stop selling recordings of Mozart's music. It's for babies anyway.

Does anyone have the sheets and link of somebody playing a nice melody posted a few hours ago?

We need more OG piano, fuck the classics. Stuck up old codgers with no talent the lot of them.

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>>69789344
>fuck the classics

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZ4rzeOB28

>>69789545
Schnittke is quite remarkably bad. This is evidenced by Poly's championing of him. You can pretty much write off all of Poly's favorite composers wholesale.

>>69789849
faggot

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>>69789849

>be me
>be a legit genius
>started playing piano 2 years ago
>tfw mastered ear training in 9 months and sight reading in 14
>tfw can already read scores and hear the music in my head
>tfw I can already sightread pieces that are waaay beyond my technical level
>tfw it took my piano teacher more than a decade to reach the place I'm in now

There's always hope guys (but only if you have an extremely high IQ)

>>69789889
So I guess a distinguished gentleman such as yourself would obviously agree with me that Schnittke is tacky garbage

>>69789994
>Schnittke

I've never listened to any of his works. Why should I agree with you? What part of my post implied that?

>>69789889
How much did you practice per day? I am going to start taking piano lessons soon and can read Treble/Bass cleffs and know key signatures from playing French Horn. I am also willing to do finger exercises for an hour everyday if that means I will get better much faster.

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>>69789889
u r so smart :)))))):)

>>69790133

>How much did you practice per day?

literally 14 hours everyday, divided into technique (wich, at this rate, will take me at least 4 other years to reach a conservatory diploma level), repertoire (where I've practiced most of my sight reading), music theory (wich will be replaced in a few years from now with composition) and ear training. Since the beginning I've taken 12 cheat days. Saturday I only practice on piano and don't deal with any theoretical matter.
Ear training in particular was the easiest one, since I could practice it everywhere every time, no matter where I was and what was I doing.

Also I'm 22, full NEET (well not really since I'm getting an education in piano performance), on the autism spectrum and being very proficient in meditation I literally never get tired of playing and studying piano.

I'm pretty sure I will become the best virtuoso in my home country (a EU minor one) in less than 10 years.

>I am also willing to do finger exercises for an hour everyday if that means I will get better much faster.

It depends on your objective and on what type of person are you. I know that most of my teacher's students progress much faster by dedicating 80% of their time to learning pieces. I will do usually 5 to 6 hours of exercises and etudes everyday, but I know that it is excessive for most people.
I'm pretty sure that considering that most people practice 1 to 4 hours everyday 1 hours of exercises will be way over the standard.

If you need to ask any other question just ask.

>>69790059
the fact that you replied to me and claimed to be intelligent.

>>69790239
Seriously though, can you make a Xenakis chart? Do you have time?

>>69790301
shit I probably should get on it soon
not tonight though taking the hoe to a ghost town/graveyard

>>69790286

Oops, haven't noticed it.

>>69790239

>trip
Opinion discarded

>>69790269
Just how shoddy is the piano you practice on? I cant imagine a 22yo neet acquiring anything other than a pitiful upright

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>>69790522

I'm a NEET because my parents are wealthy enough to pay for my expenses. Regardless, I live an extremely frugal life, so I'm not much of a burden, and most likely in 1-2 years from now I will be able to perform live with jazz bands and give lessons to kids.

You're right tho, my piano is not that good (it's indeed an acoustic upright that I've bought for 1800$). Still, I take lessons daily, so that means that at least for 1 hour everyday I can play on a Steinway grand piano. I don't feel that it's enough to really develop a decent touch on that piano in particular (the keys are way heavier), but at the same time I'm still sure that my technique doesn't justify yet such a investment. A great piano would be wasted on me right now.

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Anybody here any good at the guitar? I don't come here much, I've been playing for a while, thought it would be nice if I could find someone whose been playing longer than me.

>>69790612
>>69792123
>anime

lmao
kys

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