Johnny Rotten

>Is he an edgelord washed up rockstar or an iconic punk figure?

implying you can't be both

>>69756728
I don't really believe iconic musicians can become washed up to a large extent

>How big exactly is his legacy?

He was in the fucking Sex Pistols. Ask yourself, how big is his legacy?

>>69756821
I duno, I know that they released one well known album but are they iconic?

>>69756835
His anger plus The Ramones gave us punk as we know it.

>>69756719
He's an iconic punk figure, but a total asshole.

>>69756835
The Sex Pistols were a good portion of punk aesthetic came from, you dummy

I dunno he seems to have gotten less antisocial with age. compare his 1980 and 1997 interviews with Tom Snyder.

>>69756744
Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley, Amy Winehouse, Marvin Gaye. All undeniably iconic, and fit the bill of 'washed up' at the end of their careers/lives.

Of course he's iconic, at least his 70s self is. He's definitely mellowed a lot over the years but anyone who knows anything knows that his best music was with PiL in the 80s

>>69756744

brian wilson
paul mcartney
mick jagger
elton john

this is common sense you faggot

and unlike them, PiL still puts out pretty good albums that are well recieved

>>69756969
>>69757018
Strongly disagree any of them are washed up or were washed up. All of those you listed could still sell out stadiums.

>>69756983
Where does one start with PiL?

>>69756719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSycSBYHitc

>>69757040
Go with First Issue or Metal Box.

>>69756719
Robbie Rotten is better

Johnny Rotten and the Sex Pistols were the start of Punk as a hollow commercial fashion statement rather than a political one.

>>69757172
werent all their hits singles about political issues?

god save the queen
anarchy in the uk

>>69756863
>The Ramones
>The
kys yourself

>>69757474
The Ramones were an American punk rock band that formed in the New York City neighborhood of Forest Hills, Queens, in 1974. They are often cited as the first band to define the punk-rock sound.[1][2]

>>69757514
In 2002, the Ramones were ranked the second-greatest band of all time by Spin magazine, trailing only the Beatles.[10]

>>69757514
>>69757520
still doesn't change the fact that they are the Ramones, not "The Ramones"

>>69756719
He made Metal Box

>>69756719
EVERYONE WATCH THIS VIDEO

its about all the sex pistols and old london in general.one of the coolest things I have seen on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJQR1-3oEo

>>69756719
Part of what you have to realise is that at this point there's an obvious distinction between John Lydon and Johnny Rotten. Rotten seems more like a character that John slips into when he needs to more than anything.

>>69756719
Does he have aspergers?

>>69757720
Probably not

>>69757574
Kinda like the Metallica etc?

>>69757574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwsVWZ-c8Eo

I can't believe they even played after this fucking bullshit introduction.

I feel like he was cool back in his time but anarchism is something completely comletely different now and his ideas don't really make sense in the modern world

>Getting rid of the albatross

What did he mean by this?

>>69758005
poseurs

>>69757172
My gripe with the whole punk movement was the supposed hate that band members had towards the establishment. Many of them were just trying to cash in on a growing trend. Not to mention that punk began turning music back to it's infancy.

>>69758024
Back into*

>>69757474
>kys yourself
kys

>>69758292
kyss yourself

He's calmed down a bit desu

He's cool

the sex pistols were a boy band selling an image of anarchy to a naive consumer base who in turn imitated their pseudo-rebellion contributing to the punk movement going from a legitimate working class uprising to nothing more than a fashion trend accompanied by power chords

He will be remembered for the cultural impact of the Sex Pistols and the musical impact of Public Image Ltd. (His far superior contribution imo) The first three or four PiL records in particular

>>69758354
His vocal performances on Never Mind The Bollocks remain really entertaining to this day though

>>69756719
>calling him anything but John Lydon
Plebs detected, his legacy is PiL, not the Shit Pistols

>>69758407
This desu. Those early PiL records are so many levels better than Never Mind the Bollocks, and that's hardly a bad album.

>>69758389
I'll give him that, but remember that Sid didn't actually know how to play bass for the lost of his career and that nearly all punk bands played on out of tune instruments.

>>69758407
The Sex Pistols will always be 1000x more influential than PiL. No matter the quality of the music.

>>69758430
Sid didn't contribute to the band's only album, he's the one who released all that garbage afterward trying to cash in on the name, people need to stop talking about that useless piece of shit who had nothing to do with musical punk and only fashion punk

>>69758354
>he still thinks Punk was a working class uprising
Mate, that's a load of bollocks spun to sell it. Sure, a lot of later Punk stuff definitely was, but most of the original Punk crop were middle class art students.

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>>69758303
Nice

>>69758438
this

>>69758438
Not for music fans, what do you see posted all the time on this board, punk or post-punk

Sex Pistols = /b/
PiL = /mu/

Between 1978 and 1981 Lydon literally shit gold. PiL would go into the studio with nothing written or prepared and just throw shit at the wall and it all stuck so hard. No band has ever been as effortlessly good as early PiL.

After 1981 (when Levene left) Lydon decided he wanted to be a rock star and has put out nothing but garbage ever since.

Sex Pistols were shit, though.

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>/mu/ has passed its harsh noise/IDM rym psued phase and is now in its punk phase
wew lads, punk is fucking garbage

>>69758522
musicians are music fans the the sex pistols have been much more musically influential than PiL. you are objectively wrong

>>69758569
This, although PiL's 80's new wave output is also pretty good. I don't think they ever put out a shit album.

>>69758522
I totally get what you're saying but just from that band existing, you got an infinite number of bands forming & making music that's directly and indirectly inspired by them.

I feel there'll be way more /mu/ bands that would cite the music Lydon made in the Sex Pistols as a more important influence to them than anything he did after.

>>69757145
Metal Box requires some patience at the beggining tho'
I would suggest Flowers of Romance

>>69758641
Well I don't necessarily think PiL is the most influential post-punk band, I think post-punk has been much more influential than punk...since those who are influenced by punk are really just influenced by 60's garage which is more in line with post-punk a lot of the time

Post-punk and punk both existed in the 60's, people who claim Sex Pistols as a musical influence and not a cultural one are bands that have no interest in listening to music that mattered

More specifically, the spirit of Lydon is more present in PiL than Sex Pistols, as PiL was the most punk thing he ever did

>>69756863
How's not knowing anything about the history of punk going?

>>69758580
This board doesn't know anything about punk rock. Don't worry.

>>69758681
Yeah I've been listening to Metal box and its a bit Beefheart tier of difficulty getting into. I love the opening bass

any punk figure unless they died would become "washed up" eventually.

>>69758771
For me it clicked when I was listening it in the bus, while I saw people bashing one over each other for a seat.
It's pretty "nihilistic", if that's the word

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do we talk about this?

His transition from Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols) to John Lydon (Public Image Ltd.) is amazing.

>>69758847
>get paid a shitload of money to say you like a butter that you actually like
>use said money to finance a new album by your band
Am I the only one who never saw anything wrong with this?

>>69758948
it's not very punk which I think annoyed people. but it had been 30 years since the sex pistols so I agree with you

>>69758847
CUNTry LIFE BUTTER

>>69758441
>punk
>music
pick one idiot

>>69756938
i see that more as snyder mellowing than john tbqh

>>69758716
this

>>69758569
>PiL
>good
topkek

>>69757152
nah Bonnie Rotten

I always confuse him with Robbie rotten

The Sex Pistols were unbelievably good. For about 18 months in the late 70s, Johnny Rotten was the man

But he's an utter fucking, insufferable idiot who has been an irrelevance for the past 40 years. He was frontman of the Pistols. His legacy, for that fact alone, is indisputable. But boy, did he peak early.

>>69757040
Elvis was mega washed up. Fat, drug addicted and brain addled.

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i think he was pretty cute desu

>>69756719
His stuff in Public Image Limited was good. Forget the Sex Pistols.