>post yfw you found out Macintosh Plus was girl

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>>69738342

>>69738417
why is that cat so chill?

>>69738342
>girl

>>69738342
>post yfw you found out Macintosh Plus was a guy pretending to be a girl

>>69738514
>I do not understand gender dysphoria

>>69738532
He's still a guy pretending to be a girl.

>>69738342
Why does the statue have a face??

>>69738514
>post yfw when you realized gender isn't a solid object and is more of a set of characteristics.

>>69738532
>I think there are more than 2 genders

>>69738556
gender isn't decided by genitals.

>>69738615
This gonna be gud

>>69738605
>post yfw when you realized species isn't a solid object and is more of a set of characteristics.
Fuck off, Vektroid can try to be a girl but he never will BE a girl, just in the same way he'll never be a fucking giraffe.

Here we fucking go again. Guess it shows you how shit Vektroid is nobody talks about its music just its fucking gender identity. You all suck.

>>69738615
Not him but the definition of gender is "The state of being male or female" according to the google definition.

You don't just get to change definitions of words to fit your worldview.

>>69738342
>was girl
I think you mean "was a man"

>>69738615
It is
Also defined by your chromosome endowment

>>69738680
It seems you are confusing sex with gender.

>>69738702
it's the same fucking shit

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>>69738611
>I think there are more than 0 genders

Anyone who identifies as anything other than male or female has a mental disorder and we're not helping those people by letting live in their delusion.

>>69738611
What does gender dysphoria have to do with made up genders?

>>69738802
Well Vektroid identifies as female so they're all good.

>>69738673
sure you do, words change all the time, do we have the same words we had hundreds of years ago? worldviews don't lag behind because of definitions, it's the other way around.

>>69738802
Fucking this. And not one person can refute this.

>>69738802
Why do people even care about this stuff so much. Just let these faggots live their lives as long as their not hurting anybody.

>>69738946
I don't care, I'm just saying exactly what I said: It's a mental disorder. It isn't normal.

Also the suicide rate for these people is much higher after they undergo sex changes. it should be illegal. They are too sick to take care of themselves.

tet

>>69739015
>is much higher after they undergo sex changes

That's not true. You can try to find something to prove to me it's true, but I've had this argument with ten million of uninformed fuckwits in the past and I know you can't actually find any proof that it's true except for /pol/ hearsay.

>>69738342

My friend knows her. They collabed a bit with some other Canadian dudes, but they never released shit. Nice gal from what I'm told.

>>69738776
underrated

>>69738865

There's nothing to "refute", that post was just grandstanding.

And anyway, the DSM-5 (that is, the latest diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association) recognizes that being transgender or having divergent gender identity are not mental disorders and are not "unnatural" - gender dysphoria on the other hand, the feelings of discomfort that can possibly stem from that, are a mental disorder and it is well-established that transition coupled with social acceptance are the only treatments that actually works for gender dysphoria. If you think you can refute the current established medical consensus, go ahead and try.

Why the fuck do you people even give a shit about any of this anyway? For all of that old anon speak about hating "normalfags" and cultivating unconventional lifestyles and hobbies, you people suddenly turn into boring moralists in defense of the norm whenever any subject related to gender (that isn't fapping to futa) comes up.

>>69739015
Life is much easier post-surgery personally speaking (two years for me), your claim about suicide rates isn't true but it should be noted you can have data of people after surgery, you can't have any sort of reliable data of people before surgery because presumably most of them would have committed suicide before getting help so the people gathering the information would have never known they were trans. Had I died the first time I attempted suicide, I would not have been a trans statistic, now no matter how I die, I will be just another statistic to prove some point.

Transgenderism is just an avenue for the un-oppressed to feel like they're suffering too. It's all sickening. By saying "I'm actually a girl" a straight white male instantly becomes a hot topic minority

>>69739672

>tries to argue against transgender being a mental disorder
>admits to "attempting" suicide

heh

>>69738802
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/

>>69740072
That was caused by gender dysphoria, which they admitted was a mental disorder dumbass.
>>69739983
Medical professionals who are a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than you disagree, but it's nice that you feel that way.

>>69740228

people are still mentally ill after they transition.

>>69740228
I need peer reviewed articles pal. Also I don't get why we're obligated to cater to the mentally ill

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>>69740257
They are if they still experience gender dysphoria, but the process of transition does reduce the degree of stress gender dysphoria causes, thus making them less mentally ill. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
>>69740265
I was gonna link you some but I'm lazy, so just read >>69740286 >>69740306

>>69740286
>>69740306
TLDR
Transgender children who are supported in their identities have equal mental health to their non-transgender peers. Rates of mental health problems, suicidal tendencies completely disappear.
Trans kids who are allowed to be themselves are mentally sound and well.

Gender is biological and binary
If you don;t agree kill yourself
Thank you

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>>69740286
>transgender children

We should be practicing eugenics

>>69740387
>If you thoughtful and form your ideas with tested science instead of my narrow, traditional, uninformed view, kill yourself

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>>69740411
>liberal arts bullshit is """"tested science""""

children will believe fucking anything ,stop telling them lies about their bodies and identities, stop entertaining obvious bullshit, just let them go through puberty you fucking monster

>>69740411

if gender doesn't refer to sex, then what does it refer to? be specific.

>>69740405
>being upset that mentally ill children receive treatment for their mental illness and that it's effective

Why?
>>69740411
To be fair he's right. I'm mtf and I personally know I'm just a man with gender dysphoria. Doesn't mean I shouldn't transition or that people shouldn't treat me like a woman though.
>>69740434
>just don't treat mentally ill children
Why?

>>69740405
Gender idenity forms in the brain at about 2 years old. It doesn't always form linearly to the person's sex.
Just as a lot of people have chromosone differences. I heard about a women who tested her chromosones and found she has xy. Gender and sex mix match all the time in reality.
It is completely natural to be intersex or transgender. No amount of forcing can change how people's sex and gender have already developed.

>>69740455
whatever dude.
Anyway vaporwave sucks

You're either a man or a woman. It's really not that complicated.

>>69740477
There are tons of intersex people in the world who will beg to differ.

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>>69740473
>It is completely natural to be intersex or transgender
You fucking people make me sick

>>69740473

it is completely natural to want to murder babies.

>>69740455
>>69740473
literally advocating child abuse is cool!

>>69740506
>There are tons
Cool. And they make up like 3% of the population.

They're mentally ill and need help, not enabling. And they shouldn't be pandered to.

>>69740509
>it's not natural to suffer from birth defects

Damn straight. I wish those darn doctor's would stop fucking up our babies to meet birth defect quotas.

So why every tranny I find are still bipolar psychos, even after being allowed to dress and behave the opposite gender?

>>69740506
>Macintosh Plus was a Dragon-kin this entire time

>>69740509
Please tell me how naturally being born neither male or female is unnatural?
That baby in the womb didn't just make themselves have different biology and scream "I WANT TO BE DIFFERENT."

>>69740532
>treating children for mental illness with treatments proven to be effective is child abuse

Would you mind explaining your point of view anon? I find it very fascinating.
>>69740534
You do realize being intersex is when you're born with fucked up abnormal genitals, right anon?

>>69738802
Completely true, I have a friend with gender dysphoria and it's destroyed his life, it has to be treated, not held up as an "identity."

>>69740534
You realize 3% of the population is a shitload of people right?

>>69740577

Transition and social acceptance are the only things that have worked to treat gender dysphoria so far.

>>69740593
No, it's a drop in the bucket. The world doesn't revolve around them like they would like to believe.

The only real solution is to put them in mental hospitals at their own expense.

>>69740620
Intersex. A genital defect, not a mental illness. Use Google.

>>69740638
No thanks, I don't give that much of a shit.

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>>69740567
In a perfect world that operates on natural selection (or at least a society that employs social darwinism) the weak die and their genes don't get passed on. We could have purged the earth of so much sickness if we dispensed with undesirables. But humanitarianism gets in the way of societal perfection, it gets in the way of becoming the ubermensche, and it destroys our species.

This is now an NSBM thread

>>69740608
After transition suicide rates are still staggeringly high, and it's more than just social acceptance, it's the acceptance of your own body, which you usually end up hating because of depression.

Let me help you out:
If you have a Y chromosome, you are a male and always will be, even if you wear a dress or chop off your penis or take hormone supplements.
Same goes for vice versa.
I'm not saying you can't play dress-up, or that you're morally in the wrong- I'm just saying you can't really change and you should accept that

>>69740608
How about telling them to stop being pussies and grow up?

>>69740656
No opinions here

You're either a man or a woman

End of

>>69738702
gayest argument in world. most languages dont even have a distinction between the two and only have one word, its a made up difference by mentally ill people.

>>69740647
Fine, I'll explain then if only to keep you from being ignorant. It's literally when a baby is born with mutated genitals, as in neither a penis or vagina.
>>69740653
They'd be more okay with their bodies if they weren't made out to be awful or wrong by society and they had easier access to earlier treatment.

>>69740620
3% is like 3x the population of Australia. By that logic, let's nuke Australia because they don't matter.

>>69740652

>implying you wouldn't be the first to go

lmaoing at your life

>>69740704
Most intersex people I have heard wish they could be accepted as neither male or female,
And want to keep their natural bodies.

>>69740709
>By that logic, let's nuke
Stopped reading.

You're stupid. Trannies are stupid.

>>69740747
That's not true. Most intersex people inevitably end up identifying as a man or woman. Many do opt to not try surgically correct their genitals and almost all are opposed to the idea of forcing an intersexed person down any particular path in life.

>>69740704
Hormone injections are actually really fucking unhealthy, and you still have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about hating their non transitioned bodies, which they repulse at due to their disorder. My friend has told me all about it, it's like being in a VR game and you look down and you feel a complete alienation to what's down there. The solution isn't to get surgery and force people to call you something you're not to feel good about yourself, much like the solution to bipolar disorder isn't to have people say to you the voices are real and everything is awesome. It's not an identity, it is a disorder, it is the cause of, and can cause serious depression, another mental illness, and leads to a large amount of suicide.

>>69740704
Well that's because they ARE wrong.

>>69740718
I'm a straight white male born with an apgar of 10 so yeah I was born cream of the crop

>>69740638
>not cis
goes in the oven either way

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>>69740800
>I'm a straight white male born with an apgar of 10 so yeah I was born cream of the crop

>>69740800

Yet you're still here, being a leech of society. If you have nothing to contribute, you'll be the first to go

>>69740851
I'm on vacation dude. Anyway this thread is cancer and really off topic. Mods should delete it imo

>>69738605
>genders have different genitals, hormones levels, and chromosomes
>isn't a solid object

>>69740789
Hormones aren't that dangerous unless you're an old grampa in your sixties. Bipolar disorder doesn't cause people to hear voices or feel like everything is awesome. Just because you don't personally like the treatment for something doesn't mean it doesn't work. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>69740810
How does someone be intersex and cis anon. Do you want them to identify as their birth genitals, something in-between and *gasp* non-binary, thus defying your current concepts of gender, or would you rather them identity as male or female, thus accepting that you're not necessarily defined by your genitals? Or maybe you're just being silly and are going to give some cop out 'day of the rope'/'eugenics'(intersex isn't caused by genetics mind you) /pol/ joke answer that doesn't mean anything?

>>69740931
>Do you want them to
I want them to go in an oven
What is so hard to understand about that

>>69740931
Shit, sorry I meant schizophrenia, and was saying the way you want to treat trangenderism is the equivalent of treating schizophrenia by telling the beholder of it that the voices inside their head are real, and I do know what I'm talking about, I was pro trangender identity until I met someone who actually has gender dysphoria. I wouldn't feel this way unless they told me what it was like to have it.

>>69740800
>APGAR score
Goddamn, I thought the 23andme shitposting was something this is like a new, more advanced form of autism which has never been seen on 4chan before. Why would you even know some shit like that offhand?

>>69740969
He's a pathetic example of a human being and needed to look for something to feel superior.

>>69740960
Ah, the meaningless joke answer. Good choice.
>>69740966
Surprise, you don't treat every mental illness the same way. The difference between letting people transition and encouraging schizophrenics is that transition improves mental health and encouraging schizophrenics doesn't. You don't refuse to use anti-biotics on infections because they don't work for viruses, you assess the situation as its own thing and treat it based off what works, not based off what does or doesn't feel right to someone with no actual formal knowledge on what they're talking about. Refusing trans people the right to transition is fucking stupid unless you can tell me a good alternative to treating it that works and is proven to work.

>>69740931
There are two genders; sometimes people end up being biologically in between but that's nothing more than a birth defect. Transgenderism (gender dysphoria) is a mental illness, doesn't mean you should be rude to them but it should seek psychiatric help. Science doesn't back it, not even trying to be some sort of "i fucking love science" neckbeard anti-theist, it just doesn't.

>>69741050
Can you prove that science doesn't back it? Because I can prove you're wrong. See :
>>69740286
>>69740306
If you really need more to be convinced I can probably find some for you.

if the guy feels like a woman so why not?

>>69740228
>((((((((Medical professionals)))))))

Nice argument.

>>69741224
>le spooky jew world order

Whoa! Epic! Hahaha, I really like this meme!

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>>69741092
i can do it too, & im better than you at it

now's when you say the suicide rates are because of discrimination. then i respond with the fact that these rates are consistent across countries such as norway, which are found to be some of the most accepting of lgbt in the world. so it's not discrimination, it's something else

>>69741247
Yeah because the people pushing moral relativity have your best interests in mind.

And Jews aren't insanely wealthy and don't hold prominent positions in government, education, law and media. And if they did, it'd totally be on account of merit.

You're so smart bro.

>>69741303

wow, do you get your facts on Stormfront and Jew Watch?

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mfw I find out the album that sets the mood for the milennia is made by a tranny.
no more a e s t h i cs here FUCKKKKKK

>>69741334
No I just said Jews don't run anything and you're so very smart and tolerant and progressive and would definitely get on well on a hip trendy neighborhood like Bushwick, bitch.

>>69741289
That doesn't prove that it doesn't work. That just proves trannies are likely to commit suicide. Everyone knows this, we're mentally ill, of course we're prone to suicide moreso than the average person, that doesn't mean we shouldn't seek treatment just because a portion of us are unhappy. unless you can prove transition doesn't decrease suicide rates you haven't proven jack shit about the usefulness of transition. Shit in combination with evidence showing younger transitioners tend to have normal mental health you'd think high suicide rates would be an argument of earlier treatment.
>>69741303
Hahaha! Keep it up man, you're killing me!

>>69741419
Your mental gymnastics are pretty funny too, desu.

>>69738615
of course it's not

it's decided by chromosomes

>>69738702
being literally this retarded

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>>69741247
GOOD GOY!

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>>69741247

>>69738615
There are no words. Other than, go back to tumblr, you disgusting piece of """""human"""""" filth.

Every single tranny should be gunned down in the street. True or false.

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>>69738342

Mfw you niggas really believe in gender
Mfw I have no face and you're still retards

>>69739581
the DSM is written by a bunch of liberals who are too afraid to speak up about the real problem here

>>69742579
If you're not a liberal, what is your ideological preference exactly?
I'm not a liberal either.

I'm trans but I have been thinking lately, like all of my tgirls are lesbians. Maybe just s coincidence but almost every trans girl is a lesbian

>>69742625
That's because they're men.

>>69742616
>ideological preference
I don't have one because i don't identify myself as a meaningless label. Something trannys should think about.

>>69742656
You are clearly ignorant as fuck and should rethink speaking your mind on any subject in the future.
Examine yourself bitch ass

>>69742656
Are you saying that gender is a meaningless label

>>69738680
>>69742309

actually its more hormonal, you can have xxy and xy female phenotypes, and a few other male ones but i dont know much about them.

>>69743014
anecdotal edge case scenarios don't count

>>69743535
eh its not that anecdotal, a lot of them are fairly harmless unlike shit like downs. a lot of people dont even know they aren't xx or xy until their doctor runs an unrelated test.

>>69742625
I'm not sure how common that actually is, but I'm not a lesbian at all and when I got the surgery, I feel like none of them were lesbians. Maybe one or two were but most of them talked about boyfriends and husbands.

>>69740908
>not recognizing the difference between sex and gender

>>69738946
They are hurting themselves

>>69738776
this

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>mfw reading this thread

>>69738493
this

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>>69738514
topkek. this.

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>/mu/ having mods

>>69745659
It's time to shitpost this place up!

Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:28:30 No.69738342▶>>69738417 >>69738493 >>69738514 >>69738581 >>69738677 >>69739390 >>69742546

>post yfw you found out Macintosh Plus was girl

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>>69738417
why is that cat so chill?

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:40:41 No.69738493▶>>69745491

>>69738342 (OP)
>girl

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:41:40 No.69738514▶>>69738532 >>69738605 >>69745593

>>69738342 (OP)
>post yfw you found out Macintosh Plus was a guy pretending to be a girl

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:42:44 No.69738532▶>>69738556 >>69738611

>>69738514
>I do not understand gender dysphoria

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:45:11 No.69738556▶>>69738615

>>69738532
He's still a guy pretending to be a girl.

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:47:18 No.69738581▶

>>69738342 (OP)
Why does the statue have a face??

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:49:17 No.69738605▶>>69738634 >>69740908

>>69738514
>post yfw when you realized gender isn't a solid object and is more of a set of characteristics.

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:49:48 No.69738611▶>>69738776 >>69738817

>>69738532
>I think there are more than 2 genders

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:50:21 No.69738615▶>>69738621 >>69738673 >>69738680 >>69742309 >>69742424

>>69738556
gender isn't decided by genitals.

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:51:22 No.69738621▶

>>69738615
This gonna be gud

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Anonymous 12/18/16(Sun)11:52:08 No.69738634▶

>>69738605
>post yfw when you realized species isn't a solid object and is more of a set of characteristics.
Fuck off, Vektroid can try to be a girl but he never will BE a girl, just in the same way he'll never be a fucking giraffe.

In Other news, water is wet

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>>69738946
because of transgender activists trying to push this shit as normal to everyone in the world, it's not
it's also disturbing as fuck to see parents letting their little children transition

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>>69745699
men

vaporwave is cool
bashing transfolk isn't
fuck off fascists

>>69746927
>transfolk
>folk
Stop using folk as a suffix you city slicker/suburban fuck, check your god damn privilege

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>>69742579
>im interested in le facts not in your le feelings xd
[presented with facts that refute their worldview]
>le liberals make up le facts xd

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>>69746927
>trans aren't fascists

>>69747103
>defending yourself from literal nazis makes you a fascist
good to know senpai

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>>69747160
fascists fight each other all the time

>>69739672
Hey anon, I just wanted to say good luck with your transition and I really hope you find happiness as whatever gender you identify as.
I'm just saying this because there is unfortunately so much hatred on here directed towards trans people. And I imagine that reading a thread like this would make someone feel very rejected. There are a lot of people on here who don't hate trans people, but a vocal minority of fascists jump on any tangentially related thread like this to spread their poisonous hatred to other boards. It's sad because this is supposed to be a thread about music on a forum about music.

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>>69738842

Two people assigning different meaning to the same word invalidates all previous discourse until the meaning has been agreed upon or the difference in meaning recognized by both parties. To continue in the discussion aware of such a difference is willfully hindering the progression of ideas. If you really believe that what you are arguing is the truth, than you should argue your points using the accepted definition of the people you're trying to convince.

I'm not the person you've been arguing with, but it is one of the recurring habits of the gender-equality movement that makes it hard for me to lend them my support. It's disingenuous and underhanded to fight to redefine socially entrenched words rather than clearly explain yourself using existing terminology.

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>>69747403

It's refreshing to see some humanity on this site sometimes.

>>69746927
vaporwave is shit
trans """people""" and faggots of every flavor are also shit
fascism is the future ;^)

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>>69745699
stop.

>top researcher from johns hopkins concludes that trannies are mentally ill and need help
>politics comes before sound science and he is fired
>trannies still delusionally think they aren't mentally ill

lel. Google Paul McHugh

>>69747704
Your ideology failed in Europe, South America, The Middle East, and Asia, what makes you think it's the future?

>>69748217
>Catholic man with a bias who pretty much everyone else in his field disagrees with voices an opinion
>but he's right and all the other scientists and doctors who disagree with me are wrong

Damn straight anon :^).

But seriously, anyone who actually puts time into googling Paul McHugh knows he's full of shit.

>>69748341
nuh uh he's a straight white male, don't you know their opinions don't count in CURRENT YEAR

Pshh what does it matter that he was the lead psychiatrist at arguably the most advanced medical center for learning in the entire world! He's a white male first!

>>69748427
Yeah, just ignore the fact that literally no one else agrees with him and he was fired for putting his own religious and political beliefs first. He didn't get fired because of everyone else's politics, he got fired for his own.

>>69742506
true