/classical/

>>69720974
did Schoenberg take Cage seriously?

>>69720987

>In an interview with Dutch composer, pianist and conductor Reinbert de Leeuw, Reinbert told he watched a biography of Cage. He told that Schoenberg said: "Cage knows nothing of harmony. Absolutely nothing. He is an inventor, in heart and soul a musical inventor." Schoenberg himself is very much about harmony.

source: a guy on quora

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I like Schoenberg transcriptions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKo4tcD6W50

What are your thoughts on Glenn Gould?

>>69722759

I like his baroque and serialist works (even if his Bach is heretic at best).

All of his common practice and romantic recordings are utter trash.

These "x was an FBI/CIA agent" OPs are starting to get less and less funny

>>69722857
>even if his Bach is heretic at best

Who do you recommend for a more accurate performer?

>>69722916

Nah, it's a nice meme.

Can someone upload CLT and Calcium's folders to MEGA again?

>>69722937

Leonhardt on harpsichord and Walcha on organ.

>>69722937
Richter, Feinberg, E. Fischer

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"Intimate Letters" > "Kreutzersonate"

>>69723353
Yes

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Is he based af?

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>>69723578
Sometimes.

>>69722937
Scott Ross WTC and Partitas

thoughts on peter maxwell davies?

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Just seen this guy live. Shit was tight, except for the old people coughing their lungs out.
Is this a common thing where you guys live? 90-95% of the audiences I see are pensioners.

How would you describe the tonality of this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sFf3Mt7Cg1M

>>69723578
Strauss clearly wasn't that talented but he made up for it with dedication and ambition.

>>69723578
>muh imperial decadence grand waltzing dreck
god I hate Viennese waltzes

>>69726246
atonal

>>69726013
lucky

what was the programme?

>>69726246
It's in A, pretty straightforward. Goes from A minor to A mixolydian.

>>69726521
some asshole told me it was Locrian.

>>69726515
Schubert - Imprompti 1 & 4 D899, Moments Musicaux D780
Mozart - Sonata KV533
Haydn - Sonata hob 49
Beethoven - Bagatelles op126

Mozart was particularly interesting, noticeably different from the version I'm familiar with (Barenboim) I'll have to listen to his recording of kv300-2 sometime.

>>69726884
kv330-2*

>>69726884
his schubert/mozart recordings are fairly top-tier. he's probably the best HIPster.

>>69722937
Andras Schiff

>>69726013
What sort of instrument was he playing?

>>69726271
>Strauss clearly wasn't that talented
A mediocre talent couldn't have composed Don Juan at 23.

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Hindemith's generally easy postings were not to last however, and after a transfer to Flanders in May he experienced the Front for the first time. He wrote in his diary:

>Towards evening eight bombs landed near the town. One hit the ammunition convoy that was camping 10 minutes away from us...A horrible sight. Blood, bodies full of holes, brain, a torn-off horse's head, splintered bones. Dreadful! How mean and indifferent one becomes. I don't think I could have eaten or worked in peace after seeing such a sight – and now one sits at home again, writing, chatting, in a good mood – not thinking about how soon the bell could also toll for us - are we going to withdraw unharmed?

>>69729111
well I didn't say he was talentless but he's not a prodigy like the other a-list composers. By his own admission said 'I may not be a first-rate composer, but I am a first-class second-rate composer.'

Happy birthday Beethoven!

>>69722759
Autist.

>>69722969
pretty pleaseeeee?

Does Messiah live up to the hype in your opinion?

>>69730187
I don't even think Handel himself lives up to the hype

redpill me on asians in classical music

classical noob here. can someone recommend something that's beautiful, sad, and perhaps minimalistic?

>>69731174
this

>>69731174
just go listen Gymnopédies

we all know that's what you want

>>69731088
Lang Lang disgusts me.

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>>69731374
herro hater

>>69727775
>Schitt
>ever
Do you want him to hate Bach?

hey guys do you have some nice lossless schubert ave marias?

>>69731359
eh.. this isn't really what i want. it's hard for me to say why though. i think it's too passive and reflective. i would like something that's beautiful in a religious revelation kind of way, not in a moping in a cafe while watching the rain out the window kind of way.

does that make any sense?

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>>69731482

>>69731522
it's a legit question gramps

does such a thing as an ave maria compilation exist

i just like the piece

>>69731487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taanHO13WXE

How about Hildegard von Bingen?

>>69731594
yeah this is great thank you! any recommendations for further listening? or should i just check out the related youtube videos

hey /classical/, uninitiated bastard here

i know very little of music, but i've fallen in love with traditional choir work. the most i can name is Miserere Mei Deus by Allegri.

is there more in the OP? where do i go from here?

>>69731651
I would say search the archive for Hildegard von Bingen and ill probably say some nice recs there

>>69731770
perfect there's a bunch of stuff here. i'm dling 11,000 virgins right now. thanks again anon

>>69731920
no prob

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Easily the funniest album cover of all time.

>>69732021
"11,000 Virgins 4 Anonymous"

T-thanks

>>69722759
creepy guy
>>69722937
Richter

>>69731440
I've yet to see a sound criticism of Schiff. His Bach is 10/10. I'm downloading his 2011 WTC as we speak.

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>>69732040
kek

>>69731174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHQfid7zecE

Ayoooo
If OP is still here, I'd like that Debussy chart.

>>69732258
thanks for the rec, although i've actually heard this one before. i love arvo part, and my original request was probably based on the fact that i would like to find more like him

atonal more like gaytonal

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>>69723003
>>69723105
>>69724775
>>69727775
>>69732221
You are all complete dunderheads.

how has nobody mentioned Koopman?

>>69722937
Also, if you dig Gould, checking out Rosalyn Tureck can be a nice treat. I actually prefer her Goldberg V.s to Gould's.

So trying to learn relative pitch now. Is there a better way of getting a feel for the intervals other than associating them with pieces of music you already know? This feels like a crutch and it seems like it would be distracting when you need to identify them in a totally different context

>>69732514

I don't know if there are other methods, but the one you've described will work in the long run. You are still in the stage in wich you have to identify the pitch, but somewhere in your future it will be basically automatic. You won't need to recognize that interval you're struggling with because at that point you will have done that thousands of times.

>>69726367
wrong strauss you fucking retard

>"The Complete pieces for instrument"
>it's not the complete pieces for instrument
why are classical albums so fucking lame

>want to buy Gould's WTC on vinyl
>tfw too autistic to own recordings with people's faces in their covers

>>69732549
all strausses suck anyway

>>69732450
>Koopman
a Mario 64 character

>>69731920
Arvo Part

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>>69732666

>>69732666
Part is satan confirmed

>>69732335
atonal more like ayyytonal

>>69732666
nice trips, but see >>69732319

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honest thoughts on this?
https://jjamesferraro.bandcamp.com/album/burning-prius

>>69733442
wtf does a vaporwave memester have any business doing in a classical thread?

>>69734044
have you listened to it? it's classical. the sheet music is online somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jikeQdzv3s

Can anyone recommend more pieces as explicitly Mixolydian as this?

Why do lutenists breathe so loudly?

>>69735295

I'm pretty sure that it's due to amplification. Lutes are not that loud.

the last good composer was Ravel

>>69736381
You're forgetting Carl Orff.

>>69736345
That makes sense. I've never heard one in person so I don't have exact knowledge how loud they are.

>>69736381
>>69736384
are you fucking kidding me?

Einojuhani Rautavaara

>>69734164
Mixolydian is the pleb mode. Its even more alligned with the overtone series than major. Its musical pablum

>>69729438
quite the opposite is true, he was an eminent musician at a very early age. Much earlier than other composers

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anyone got a DL link to Koopman's recording of the Bach Xmas Oratorio, please?

>>69732304
Why the hell do people need to ask for it, why not just include it in the mega folder for convenience's sake?

>>69728376
(Sorry for late reply)
Fortepiano, Carl Bechstein, 1869.

>>69737336
That's pretty specific. I guess it's one more selling point for Staier aside from his good playing.

>>69731487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HON4AswPVk

>>69722759
>What are your thoughts on Glenn Gould?

not always tasteful, but when it comes to technique second to none. especially love his bach keyboard concertos.

>>69723578
yes. one of the greatest composers of the 20th century. that run of operas from salome to daphne is absolutely incredible.

>>69736381
>the last good composer was Ravel

you should listen to poulenc.

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what do you guys think?

>>69736381
check out florent schmitt and pierre octave ferroud

Schmitt: Ombres (like gaspard), Reves (like the poem of ecstacy), Soirs for orchestra (like tombeau de couperin), Symphonie Concertante (masterpiece), Mirages, La Tragedie de Salome (the ending inspired stravinsky for rite of spring), Psalm 47, Quintet, 2nd symphony, Habeyssee, Crepuscules, violin sonata...

He's like a mix of Ravel, Wagner and Scriabin and has so many amazing pieces in his output

Ferroud: Foules (french rite of spring), Types, Symphony in A

Ferroud is too unique to really describe

scarlatti is elite af desu

What's ur fav piece of all time

>>69741942
scriabins prometheus

who are the Birdcore composers?

Messaien
Ravel
Schubert

who else is bird?

Newfaggot here;

can /classical/ recc me some your most beautiful and heavenly masses? I heard some in a Bach documentary, and I was completely blown away.

>>69742218
Vaughan Williams

>>69742270
Start with mass in b minor by bach and requiem by mozart

>>69742218
It would probably be easier to categorize the composers for which birds are markedly not an influence.

Where should I start with Webern?

>>69722759
>>69722759
i love his goldberg, i don't like his WTC. Overall, when it comes to Bach, he's definitely worth checking out. Even though there are better Bach's performers. Don't care for his romantic neither his serialism works.

>>69742457
dont

>>69731174
Here, pal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slG2beCULjY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkw4rw3ong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtIW2r1EalM

You can always go straight to Satie and Debussy aswell.

>>69742457
Everywhere, you can probably listen to all his stuff in like 2 hours

What's your favorite romantic composer, /classical/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XiYrzsgWto

>>69742544
Chronological good?
>>69742516
why not

>>69742591
because he's responsible for cage memery. Besides who wants to listen to a piece consisting mostly of dead air with interstitial spastic outbursts of notes?

>>69742645
>this is what plebs believe
lol

>>69742544
More like 6.5 hours, if you include non-opus works

>>69742645
>He thinks Webern is mostly dead air

>>69742545
when it comes to chamber, i'm convinced this guy is a god.

>>69742645
Cage did nothing wrong, and even if he did, you can't blame Webern for it, and even if you could, that doesn't make any sense, because their music doesn't have much in common.

>>69742457
>>69742516
>>69742645
why won't you just stick with morton feldman? when it comes to meme composers, his works are way better.

>>69742739
Webern and Feldman are like polar opposites. Why would you bring up Feldman when we're talking about Webern?

>>69742739
Feldman is fucking worse. Berg, Shostakovich, Rautavaara and of course Schoenberg. Those are about the only 12 tone works I can stand.

>>69742811
because they brought up cage to conversation as well

>>69742843
One of cage's primary gimmicks is how silence is music. How do the sparse unpopulated scores of Webern not prefigure this?

>>69742968
>One of cage's primary gimmicks is how silence is music.
No, that misses the point. His only gimmick was that literally everything can be called music.
>sparse unpopulated scores of Webern
What? Webern is extremely dense.

>>69742968
433 is meta music its a commentary about music

ive heard him described as a performance artist rather than a compsoer many times

webern is nothing like cage

>>69742968
i agree with you, but you can say exactly the same about some of feldman's pieces. his progression is literally vertical with sparse themes and a focus on trimbe rather than anything else. It's closer to Cage than anything else I can think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBFsiQX_7lk

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>>69742968
>sparse unpopulated scores of Webern

>>69743072
why was he mentioned in the first place the guy was asking about webern

>>69743041
>>69743043
fffffuck postmodernism

>>69743110
>Webern
>Cage
>"postmodern"
They're modernists, buddy.

the only area where postmodernism has produced anything of value is novels

>>69743110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bal-GoBGBo

>>69742968
Webern's scores aren't spare you dummy, the music itself is just concise in terms of length.

>>69743136
cage is nihilistic postmodern garbage

>>69743137
>im-fucking-plying

>>69742218
rautavaara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO3YRZWLvQo

>>69743101
>cherrypicking
>its still sparse

>>69743164
Lol you don't even know what nihilistic means. Cage's music was very hopeful. He's also not postmodern.

>>69743140
shame all of his music wasn't as listenable as this

>>69743140
wtf

this is just noise

fuck cage

>>69743137
what about 4chan?

>>69743188
you and he can pretend it was as much as you want, doesn't make you right

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how old were you when you recognized the superiority of absolute music?

>>69743184
I typed "webern scores" into google and picked the first one. All his music is like that, and it's not sparse at all. His pieces are short but rather dense.

>>69743204
a bunch of autistic nerds posting the same stupid jokes over and over again on the internet isn't postmodernsim

>>69743203
cage has cool ideas and all but when it comes to unique harmonies and interesting compositions i always feel hes at a loss

as schoenberg said "Cage knows nothing of harmony. Absolutely nothing. He is an inventor, in heart and soul a musical inventor."

>>69743140
I actually enjoy this shit but there's no way in hell it should be considered academic or substantial. Its chimpout music.

>>69742545
i didn't have one for a while. but i'm loving brahms more and more I listen to his chamber works

>>69743216
Yes, it does. Why don't you write to Cage and ask him if his music has anything to do with nihilism?

>>69743262
funny how postmodernism defenders talk so much about authorial intent when one of the key ideas of postmodernism is death of the author...

>>69743194
It is honestly

>>69743283
Hes not postmodern you idiot

>>69742545
https://www.youtube.com/y?v=dsqC-Wr6XhE

>>69743262
what there's not to talk about cage's music as being nihilistic? he despises traditions and hundred of years of academy. His music is definitely nihilistic.

this is the fucking dumbest conversation ive ever seen

cage has neat ideas but as a composer hes prety shit

>>69743309
He definitely is.

>>69743356
Just like all postmodernists. Except their ideas are actually retarded.

>>69743329
>he despises traditions and hundred of years of academy
no he doesn't

I strongly disagree with you. Postmodernism is extremly necessary.

You people are lame. Somebody asks a question about Webern, and everyone gets triggered into jerking off about John Cage of all people.

>>69736384
>>69736731
>>69739649
>>69740783

you guys are actually all wrong

>poulec

LMAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

>>69743490
exactly

everyone just wants to shoehorn in their favourite composer instead of contributing to the conversation i mean its not like they even compare to varese anyway man am i right haha

>>69743383
nigga pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHnL7aS64Y

>>69743512
have you ever even heard of ferroud or schmitt lmao

schmitt inspired ravels jeux deau. they were close friends

>>69743383
>no he doesn't
Yes he does you contrarian piece of shit. He had no idea how to resolve a French sixth or modulate along an augmented triad, all he could do was bang on fucking hubcaps and you know it.

>>69743551

>>69743236
>as schoenberg said "Cage knows nothing of harmony. Absolutely nothing. He is an inventor, in heart and soul a musical inventor."

>>69743537
>the last good composer was Ravel

show me where I said "average"?

>>69720974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_gm0NCabPs&list=WL&index=9

>>69743874
your loss lol

>>69734114
>sheet music
>therefor classical

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I don't really "get" Bach, except for the occasional work (Toccata and Fugue, Air, Jesu, Badinerie...)
Now Vivaldi on the other hand, I can listen to anything he's made, for any instrument, all the time. I love that shit.
I feel there's some fundamental difference between the way they compose. I know Bach does this thing where he intertwines two melodies or something, but I can't really understand it when I listen.

>>69744497
is that because all vivaldi sounds the same? if you like once piece you like them all lol

>>69744554
dem arpeggios

>>69720974
There's a Schoenberg Hall at my uni, is it named after that guy?

>>69744554
>is that because all vivaldi sounds the same?
so does Bach
>Bachshillers will deny this

>>69743427
in what sense it's necessary?

>>69744685
It's not, and in fact it's done more harm than good

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>>69744497
>I don't really "get" Bach, except for the occasional work (Toccata and Fugue, Air, Jesu, Badinerie...)

I can't tell if this is bad bait or genuine pleb faggotry

>>69744728
Is it some conscious entity which is capable of harming anything or is it merely the period of art's development?

>>69744852
The people who make it up are consciously harming everything about society and culture.

>>69744852
Is fascism some conscious entity which is capable of harming anything or is it merely a period of politics' development?

Name 1 (ONE) masterpiece for flute only

>>69744903
griffes poem

also ferroud 3 pieces for solo flute SHIT I NAMED MORE THAN ONE

>>69744903
quincy jones- austin powers theme song

>>69744903
Syrinx

>>69744895
>Is fascism some conscious entity which is capable of harming anything
Obviously yes, it's a political party which (often physically) destroys all other political parties.

>>69744903
SYRINX
Y
R
I
N
X

>>69744872
>The people who make it up
Who are these people and why all of a sudden they have an exclusive right of artistic judgement? Perhaps you should stop making things up.

>>69745002
I mean the people of which postmodernism is composed, like Duchamp and Warhol in the visual arts, Cage in music, Derrida in philospohy, etc.

>>69744953
>>69744975
>DePussy
you already lost

>>69744808
Gee, I'm sorry Mr. Bach Pro frogposter

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>>69745053
We already won

His late works are patrician as fuck

>>69745112
can't believe you didn't even mention the minuets in g major/minor, which may be his best work

>>69745024
Perhaps they're not always right, but the actual problem is, their opponents are much more stupid and vapid.

>>69745227
The bracketed works weren't meant to be listed exclusively. That's why I put an ellipsis at the end. They were just examples

>>69744633
yes you idiot

>>69745276
Well I'm glad that you know all of the memes.

There's literally nothing wrong with Rach 2.
Prove me wrong.

>>69745281
The last composer.
Music died in 1910.

>>69745281
piano quartet in a minor is a GREAT meme

>>69745323
he killed it though. He was the first decomposer. That's why Poly loves him so much.

>>69745355
No, that was Wagner and Liszt.

>>69745339
Goddamn, that made me physically nauseous

>>69745372
Music was murdered by Beethoven, actually.

>>69745372
fuck off CLT

>>69745383
how could he murder it if he was deaf?

>>69745375
;)

>>69745414
That's how he murdered it.

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>>69745127
>Debussy
>Patrician

Why are you guys so worried with being more patrician than the rest when by listening to classical music you're already more patrician than 99.9% of the population?

>>69745720
he's one of top 10 patricians.
He essentially was an aristocratic reactionary, who was against Wagner's excess in music and its proto-völkisch connotations and implications.

>>69745720
jeux is good
images too
beyond that idk

desu i much prefer maurice emmanuel

>>69745770
Because we want to do it in good faith

>>69745812
Wagner was his biggest influence, idiot

What the fuck even is this fucking thread

>>69745970
hurr-durr postmodern influences, my favorite composer is better than yours

>>69745970
The composers I like are patrician, the rest are just memes.

>>69745886
It doesn't mean he didn't foresee the danger of wagnerism. And he got rid of its last traces in his later pieces.

>>69745720
Yeah, Debussy Mahler for numales who get triggered by loud noises. Just as aimless and chaotic but with gay pretty sounds.

>>69746094
>It doesn't mean he didn't foresee the danger of wagnerism
[citation needed]

>>69746155
I suggest you hang yourself with your triggers and numails and stay away from classical.
>pretty
No. Stop.

>>69746094
>the danger of wagnerism
>"the danger of wagnerism"
oh shut up already

>>69746178
Find it yourself, not going to spoon-feed you, lazyass.

>>69746257
>hang yourself with those abstractions
>yeah that reads right? That's something a non-autistic person would say

>>69746337
Thanks for confirming that you were talking out of your ass

>>69746330
>oh shut up already
>"oh shut up already"

>>69746365
no u

Why is /classical/ so ignorant of instruments other than the piano?

>>69732564
I've never had that happen

usually its like 40 CDs and after a few months of listening I delete all the pieces I don't like to keep my library trim (who needs 1260 scarlatti sonatas anyway?)

>>69746667
bias towards the hegemonic equal temperament system

>>69746667
Because what's the point of all the other instruments?

>>69732564
happens all the time. even happened just now with janacek's piano works and griffes too

fucking stupid pianists

Listening to Berio's Stanze right now, can anyone recommend more late modernist songs? Stuff like this and Lutoslawski's Les espaces du sommeil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_QwnVVzawc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbNdBepJZGw
02:27

>>69748087
lmao

>>69748087
Fucking sopranos. They're great when they're good, but so many fuck things up

>>69748087
ayy

What's the best brahms symphony? They're all so good.

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>>69748087

>>69748488
4 just has the best motivic material

>implying just because its popular its not the best

>>69747619
No, I can't even recommend this one in all good conscience

>>69722759
His Bach and Hindemith are good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCVLuG8ziUI

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>>69732021

>>69744285
have you listened to it? it's classical

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;-;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3rRkW35OWg

>>69749004
just listened, not classical

>>69749004
I can't find it anywhere so no I haven't.

>>69749126
BOOOOORING

Ayy fags, I have something funny to show.
This is a dutch tv program where dutch singers (non classical) get a Matthaus Passion masterclass. Here are the results...Yes these people make their living singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9IBaq9GQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47JLYPHE9aU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Egc2D1-Jc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynJSeONmpNI&t=182s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7zPnrNWVKU

>>69749406
why do you say that?

>>69749466
i posted the bandcamp link in the original post

how do I start listening to Bach? I use spotify

>>69749547
>https://jjamesferraro.bandcamp.com/album/burning-prius
Well I can tell you it's crap that's what it is.

>>69749594
J.S. Bach's Goldberg Variations performed by Glenn Gould (1955 version)

For me, it was his first piece that worked.

>>69749594
Listen to mass in b minor conducted by gardiner

>>69749790
Herreweghe's version is better.

>>69749790
don't you think is a little overwhelming for a non-baroque listener (presumedlyl listener to listen to either mass in b minor or matthaus-passion?
Anyway, I'd rec his concertos or his WTC/ variations

>>69749790
>>69749828
They both suck desu senpaitachi

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>>69749790
>>69749828
Terrible taste.

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>>69749790
>>69749828
>>69749897
plebeians detected

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>>69749790
>>69749828
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>>69749959
Let's get real here.

>>69749977
>hengelbrock shilling

>>69749977
I like this album cover. I can't imagine the thought process of the designer.

>>69749977
Is OVPP a meme?

>>69750044
It's pretty alright. It adds a lot to the transparency of his pieces. I don't really like it as much in something like St. John's, though.

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What is the first thing I should listen too of I want to get into classical music?

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>>69750089
Listen to Mozart

>>69750089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7cWvxycgtY

>>69750089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3BlFZWJNA

>>69750089
petzold

>>69749959
>>69749977
Neither of these are on spotify so fuck me.

>>69749959
>rene jacobs
no thx

>>69750141
Man that is so gaudy and greek it makes me ill

>>69720974
I don't usually visit these threads, but what is the sound quality of these uploads and are they interpretations selected for quality or just random ones?

>>69750404
ye I agree that's why i posted.

>>69750429
>sound quality
Historic meme sound to modern meme sound
>interpretation selections
Whatever the uploader likes.

>>69720974
Which recording is better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOWXVtkBnKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elIXiNx-dXw
brandenburg concerto

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>>69749828
This. Herreweghe is best for Bach's masses and passions.

>>69745281
firetruck

>>69751006
>he fell for the Herreweghe meme

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>>69751495
JUST

Which one of Bach's sons was the best?

>>69752765
Deep down we all know it's C.P.E.

>>69751265
I ignore memes. Only pay attention to quality. You should ignore memes too: become objective.

What is up with Ferneyhough?

Is there something to understand in his music or is he just doing random, arbitrary useless shit?

So is this just western classical music or can we also discuss "classical" music from other countries?

>>69753816
its bad enough we can discuss idiots like Cage. I think we'd have to at least limit discussion to academic music.

>>69753829
But other countries also teach their distinctive "classical" musics as well, i don't want to derail the thread from what it originally was though, just pointing out that someone can come in and just say "other countries have classical music traditions so now i can post about Hindustani classical music"

>>69753235
Ferneyhough is interested in the score as an area of struggle for the performer. He generates his rhythms with computer programs, then assigns pitch and extended techniques etc.
He also has very interesting premises for his works. Read the info in this video for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_1vfjn2lyk

He's writing purely for himself, and to challenge performers. Most of us will never "understand" the music, but we can appreciate it none the less. Try listening to the small details - tiny micro melodies nestled in the texture. In this way each piece is full of tiny details, of which you discover different elements with each listen. Its like a fractal; you can zoom in on different areas and find totally different details each time, but with an overall consistency.

Or you can say "its random useless shit" and move on. Most people would do this, Ferneyhough is really a composer for top level performers, or for contemporary composers. The common person isn't his intended audience.

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>>69720974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_jgp9QRc20
Dedicated to magischmeisjeorkest.

>>69749672
what do you dislike about it? too minimal?

>>69755303
its a sonic Jeb Bush

>tfw literally giant hands
>I've checked the stats and I'm in the 0.1% percentile

Should I give piano or guitar a try? They're really huge, and my fingers are extremely slim.

pavement is better than all of this stuff

I'm sitting here shaking my head that some dumb ass came in here and posted James Ferraro and said it's classical because he saw the sheet music for it online.

James Ferraro is rubbish by the way.

>>69756185
did you listen to it? how about you faggots actually explain with your words why you don't believe that it's classical music.

i swear having an intelligent conversation with you neanderthals is like pulling fucking teeth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2ACc28_WQ

this thread needs more memes

>>69756233
You have to be a trained composer to write classical.

>>69750899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhMdAdRtT8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDtDZvAbu0
Richter

>>69741942
Bach, BWV 147

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What are the greatest works of musical art of all time and why is it Bach's Cantatas?

>>69757298

>not the art of fugue

>>69757298
Art of Fugue.

>>69755303
Yes, everything is missplaced. It's not my thing anyway but, it's like he's trying to write the worst thing possible.

New to classical. Something similar to this? I think it's a piece from this century but I really dig it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZFEuP_VPE8

>>69760652
Steve Reich. Also not classical but Alarm Will Sound and Bell Orchestre. Also fuck off pleb

>>69761408