/classical/

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpHcTi7w_8

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Best Bach recording coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgLDU73BJk

>>69684327
favorite scarlatti's sonatas?
right now i'm into
k99
k115
k208

>>69684340

this is better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAafyK44fCc

>>69684401
k 1
k 27
k 82
k 83
k 519
k 545
k 553

>>69684444
k1 is overplayed for me (same as k141)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWBVVW3tweki-oxnePFIGXISt5OfscSpX

>>69684340
Could be a Final Fantasy Chocobo Farm Soundtrack.

>>69684340
make the ride end senpai

I forget how good Dido and Aeneas is. One of those operas that really deserves the number of performances it gets

>>69684340

>conducting The Royal Philarmonic Orchestra

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why are these people successful? Why can't society as a whole see these guys as the obvious hack they are?

>tfw you actually got some guys from the piano ensemble class to play your duo
Feels good

>>69685799
>piano ensemble
As in multiple pianos?

>>69685799

>tfw studying composition in a great conservatory
>counterpoint teacher is stocked with some of my compositions
>a piano concerto ends up being played at the main yearly conservatory recital
>terrible reviews, everyone in the crowd hated it

This happened 5 years ago, i haven't composed anything ever since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIBkhOjnxM

is the main theme of this variation one of the counterthemes in Bach's Contrapunctus XI, from AoF?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWYFc7PBlSI (starts at 2.16)

Are these kind of quotes as deliberate as they seem?

>>69685939
As in piano 4 hands mainly. But my piece was for 2 separate pianos yes.
>>69685940
I'm sorry to hear that anon. Depending on what style it was, maybe it just wasn't their taste. In all honesty what I wrote probably sucked too, but my teacher and the people that heard it seemed to like it.

>>69686021
Every time Beethoven wrote a fugue it was just strange

Can somebody upload the image featuring all the tripfag's favorite composers?

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Best version of Diabelli Variations
Prove me wrong

>>69686231

>not Brendel
>not Schabnel

>>69686231
I prefer Staier's. Been on a HIP binge

>>69686021

>that contrapunctus xi
>3.18
>crescendo from pianissimo to piano

Garbage, those chords should sound way louder.

>>69686472
Somebody said that Beecham quote to him one too many times. It's understandable

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>>69686226
something like this

>>69686472
I immediately like this guy

Although Bach's WTC played by Schiff is still pretty nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7PfGTtUC84

>>69687310
nice watch tbf.

>>69687052
Any intelligible criticism, or just some greentext and a reaction image?

>>69686472
>Rameau

ROSS
R O S S

>>69688145
He's boring and plays terribly.

>>69688545
Neither of your criticisms are founded in fact.

"Boring" playing would probably suit Bach anyway, as the music does the talking more than any flair from the performer.

>>69688570
>"Boring" playing would probably suit Bach anyway
Why do you hate Bach?

>>69688587
Try reading the rest of the post before replying

>>69688145

He plays Bach like a burgeoise. There is no solemnity and severity in his playing, in Schiff hands Bach becomes ''cute''.

>>69688570
>as the music does the talking more than any flair from the performer
There isn't anything that leaves more room for interpretation than Bach's music.

>>69688609
>Schiff is too burgeoise, not solemn enough

>>69688545
>Schiff is too boring

2 wildly different opinions, and I have a 3rd which is also different

Everyone has opinions.

>>69688645

Everyone has opinions, but my opinion is clearly the right one.

>>69688626
There really is. Graphic and interpretive scores are a thing.

Interpretation is important with Bach, but its not about showmanship, its about accuracy, subtlety, taste and tempo. 4 things Schiff excels in.

>>69688659
>I'm right, you're wrong
The argument of a 3 year old. I shouldn't even be replying.

>>69688675
>accuracy, subtlety, taste and tempo
>things Schiff excels in

Chopin's non-piano stuff is pretty good :^)

Modified Baroque music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P05JcpK4nd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj1A1LCAk6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAwWPvzrFs

discovered 3 years ago in random streamin site in harpsichord ver(dissapreared) but it's great in my opinion

>>69689001
;

>>69689001
Can you not?

>>69685378
Yeah, Dido is great. I really like the Currentzis performance, but it's a shame the singers have garbage diction.

>>69688609
If the opposite is romantic style like Barenboim then it should make you appreciate toned down interpretations. The biggest advantage of piano is being able to bring out different voices and it's helpful to not have huge dynamics overall.

>>69689801

>Bach pianists apologists on /classical/

I want them to GTFO
Harpsichord, Clavichord, Organ. Nothing else is acceptable.

>>69689894
>HIP apologists
The real problem,

>>69689801
I would mostly agree with this, but WTC really suits piano beautifully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqXp2Lk81r4

Some cracking brass playing in that Neumann dvorak set.

>want to hear beethoven's meme sonata on youtube since I want to learn it
>all interpretations are either shit, by a machine, on electric guitar

Post a good contemporary piece (No Reich, Glass, Riley, Feldman, or Cage)

>>69691123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdPW8oMwjoY

>>69691123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzVjN_KLZQ

Absolutely the best.

>>69691123
Have 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRr-tTEpfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gG0j-35Mgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPYGRfzfBew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyJKv4o1Ul0

I didn't even have to include more difficult-to-digest composers like Ferneyhough or Lachenmann

>>69691455
All awful.

>>69691468
>>69691547
Not an argument.

>>69691783
Don't think it was meant to be an argument, retard

>>69691826
Check and mate.

>>69691468
>>69691547
I guess you guys aren't into 20th century music? those are some of the most accessible pieces (beyond the exclusions already listed by >>69691123)

Just accept contemporary music isn't for you and stick to [whatever it is you do listen to].

>>69691890
I enjoyed your postings

>>69691971
+1

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>>69691890
Tbh, the "classical music" genre most folks know only encompasses the baroque, classical and romantic eras, as established in the euro-centric tonal system.
You're gonna lose a lot of people here if you crank out compositions with atonalism, electroacoustics, or abstract graphical scores like this one:
https://youtu.be/wbLcI9-Js0U

>>69693082
what cd is fucking dead mate

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>you will never transcend the barriers between artist and listener like Beethoven did in the late quartets

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>>69686472
Absolutely patrician

>>69691123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaATmagbYsw

Andriessen is breddy gud

>>69693575
he didn't transcend the barriers between him and me tho, kek

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> Gershwin's condition was judged to be critical and the need for surgery immediate. An attempt by doctors at Cedars to excise the [brain] tumor was made in the early hours of the 11th, but it proved unsuccessful, and Gershwin died on the morning of July 11, 1937, at the age of 38.

:(

>>69694167
whoa

>>69694167
"no"

>>69694248
Settle down, Vulcan.

>>69693575
how does he do this in the late quartets
pls explain

Anything of note that has come out within the "classical" realm since 2010?

>>69694552
Become Ocean by J.L. Adams won a Pulitzer and Grammy. It sucks though.

Bloch is good

>>69694721
:(

>>69693012
They were asking for contemporary music, I supplied some of the more tonal and easier contemporary pieces. The Pärt piece is almost baroque, and the Jenkins piece is more like a traditional church hymn with a bit of solo improvisation.

>>69691971
Its fine if people don't like 20th century music, its not for everyone. As long as they don't complain when they can't understand it.

>>69694552
Has anyone seen Rautavaara's opera "Kaivos"? Supposedly the premiere was "uncensored" which is intriguing.
Lera Auerbach released some pretty good shit in the last few years. Her Ballet The Little Mermaid, and her 24 preludes, sonatas and postludes "Celloquy" for piano and cello.
Eve de-castro Robinson's "Releasing the Angel"
Anthony Ritchie's "Gallipoli to the Somme" premiered this year was spectacular, as well as his opera "This other Eden" from 2014.

>>69694885
GOD, discovered Rautavaara on this board, this is great!

Listening to his 8th symphony

New to classical music, my favorite pieces so far are:

Toccata and Fugue - Bach
Piano Sonata 16 - Mozart

I want to try some orchestral pieces but I have no idea where to start. Any recommendations?

>>69695977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llB7NaWLUc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD_CaKUqsgE

>>69695977

Metamorphosen -Richard Strauss

Das lied van der erde - Mahler

"Symphonic dances" and "Isle of the dead" - Rachmaninov

Poem of Fire - Scriabin

Verklärte Nacht - Schoenberg

>>69696043
btw, is it /pleb?

>>69696010
>>69696043
listening through. thanks guys.

>>69696066
I tend to think that there is no equivalent to "start with the greeks" for philosophy in classical music.

One day, you'll hear something that will catch you ear and you'll be able to find your own path through dozen of references.

please post pieces similar to mars bringer of war or allegro con fuoco from new world symphony

>>69696138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZbJOE9zNjw

>20 minute classical music belongs with a 8 minute long ass introduction with barely any noise

really grinds my gears senpai, i just want to get into it, I don't want to wait for the music to start you know what i mean

>>69696184
about what are you talking about?

>>69696184
>belongs
*begins

>>69696138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEo1PsSmbg

are you guys dead?

please recommend classical songs similar to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_v7t2p7FR0

>>69684275
OP, Scarlatti goes electro is like my fav french band

>>69696043
>says he likes Bach and Mozart on piano
>proceed to recommend as much late romantic orchestral stuff as possible

>>69691455
Please escort yourself from this life to the next Poly

>>69697618
how does it feel to have pure and utter garbage taste?

>all those deleted shitposts from the same autist
wew

>>69697468
im mozart, so no

>>69697562
Sviridov's other music

Russian stuff like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rj_Ro_FRhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5oaX5OC3uQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54I4GKKj6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMLMMtM4pBA

Non-Russian stuff like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-F42vkGuAc

>>69696138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDoQsBvNXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDoQsBvNXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivRpLtN0Bc

>>69700745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlsU7XZ-NIE

>>69700745
>>69700755
I'll add this one as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rj_Ro_FRhM

>>69695977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imrCHoUa9i0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_tfwTiZeM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVJkkCvdyZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iTQZzt_iHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI8dbqmZqMg
https://youtu.be/nFm3gQ2xjTs?t=1589

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Can someone identify this short masterpiece by yoko kanno?
What genre is this even?
It's like angels are fucking my eardrums with tiny q-tip dicks and injecting my ears full of love.
Please help.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGbpWZsITcM
I've literally never heard anything more beautiful in my entire life.

>>69700970
shut the fuck up

>>69701003
someone's salty

>>69700970
sounds like generic japanese ost music

>>69701044
debateable, but what is the genre?
>>69701003
salt my friend

>>69701044
choral?

>>69701129
no way!!!!!!!

>>69701145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZfTnXgNr6w

choral is the closest you're gonna get

>>69686231
>>69686248

Richter ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dokkniOwSlQ

I'm trying to learn relative pitch and so far I am having the most trouble with the octave, the major 14th and major 9th

is this normal?

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>>69701183
Thank you, anymore of this?
I would appreciate it.
Would churchs mind if I went in and just recorded them? Like I mean the old catholic kind ,not the nigger filled kind of "churches"

>>69701723
Octaves should be fairly easy, although perhaps deceptively so (I used to be able to pitch them just fine, but whilst the rest of my sight-singing has improved massively over the past 5 years, my octaves seem to have got worse).

The others are just smaller intervals with an octave tacked on, so if you're able to do the smaller interval and then go up an octave, you're fine.

>>69701842
Check the folders in OP. You might like the renaissance folders

>>69701842
This is literally suicide

>>69701971
that's why I thought it was strange. Though certain intervals elicit modes for me. like minor 10th reminds me of the opening movement of symphony 40 and thankfully so many key modulations are done in there I rarely miss one. Minor 7th/14th sounds mixolydian af. But for my the octave and the stuff around it sound shapeless (but at least the minor 9th sounds really unstable). Do you have any tips for *what* I should be looking for in the other intervals?

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Any love for Heitor Villa-Lobos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHuQPlhpyc

>>69702141
Everyone has their own approach to learning these things. I do a lot of choral singing and it's fairly rare to have to jump anything more than an octave between two notes so I don't really ever have to think of 9ths and beyond. Maybe if I have to get a note from one of the female parts, but then I just think of it in my octave and work from there.

Keeping it simple is probably the best thing. It's much more practical to think of compound intervals as exactly that: an octave with a basic interval attached.

>>69695977
Mahler's 5th symphony
Mozart's Piano Concerto Nr. 21
Handel's Concerti Grossi, Op. 6
Any Vivaldi

1 - Kubelik
2 - Steinberg
3 - Horenstein
4 - Horenstein
5 - Kubelik
6 - Kondrashin
7 - Bernstein
8 - Kubelik
9 - Kubelik
Das Lied - Kubelik

Update

>>69703307
>Bernstein
>ever
Commit sudoku

>>69703713
Name a better 7

>>69703713
>the "Bernstein is bad" meme
Is it because he's a jew?

>>69701323
Arrau

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRFdwZzKccg

>>69703758
uh mahler's already a jew

>>69700970
Renaissance is the way to go. Search for baroque missas (Bach's mass in b minor for instance), etc.

Here comes one of my favorite choral pieces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWLkfGsmX5k

>>69703758
every other conductor in that list is a jew

>>69702901
I'm actually doing it because I want to try composition (well in a DAW) so I basically want to develop some fundamental musicality before I start banging my head against a wall.

>>69703730
Gielen
Kondrashin
Abbado
Tennstedt
Solti even

>>69703758
>>69704072

Why is Bernstein considered bad though? Is it because he is too well-known and therefore not the hip choice?

>>69705150
I just don't like his tempos most of the time, that's all.

>>69706400
Is it like Klemperer when he is doing a romantic scherzo?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6NVpvsuKv4

>>69707430

There is something strange about Bach when it's programmed sounds rather than performed by a human. It's like it portrays the autism better or soething

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Recommend me something comfy and suitable for winter listening, it's been snowing non-stop and I'll be unable to drive for a few days, the door is blocked by 5 feet of snow, all the way to the street.

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>>69707802

>>69707802
>tfw living in california
I long for the silence of a lengthy winter in a small town.

>>69707882
Fantastic, thank you. I'll be listening to this tonight.

Is a fugue basically a looser canon where the voicings can be modulated and the rhythmic structure can be changed? Are other transformations allowed?

>>69705150
too slow, too over sentimental. His renditions are like soaking the score in honey and leaving it in the sun.
Get someone snappy like Abbado.

>>69707802
Chopin's Nocturnes. It should take a listen to the first one to know what I mean.

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>>69707802

>>69707951
maybe read an article on it you lazy shitter

>>69707951
Fugues are interesting. They have hard and fast rules, and yet there is a lot of freedom in the later sections. The form has evolved as well post-Bach, so writing a modern fugue you have even more freedom.

Read this:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f1zbff56mxufhce/Norden_Hugo_Foundation_studies_in_Fugue.pdf

>>69708268
devolved*

ftfy

>>69707703

really makes you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdhYSW9wys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5yW8uYaeE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYUFMqVaW44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sxGyO07zAg

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>>69708476
why does this exist

>>69707430
I feel like playing Tetris now.
https://youtu.be/hfxO9RU4VGI?list=PLKkxnBwFOJGIu3XSOHYW4r9dFyaoC9zNW

>>69708268
>hard and fast rules

Its playing hard and fast with the rules (which means subverting them) you donkay

>>69708505
better than vocaloid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMcb-afhSd4

>>69708663
Read a definition you muppet.
You're thinking of "playing fast and loose"

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>>69708476
>mfw I download midi renditions of meme classical works because I actually prefer the sound of midi to a real orchestra

>>69708742
>getting clowned on by the clown without jest

That guy's life is over desu

>>69707703
It's interesting how later music is raped by remixes while Bach stands up to whatever you do to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuBrDPorB80

where do you guys find the time to listen to operas or super long symphonies? how do you find two hours where nobody will interrupt you/you dont have anything to do?

>>69708916
Well, operas usually have several acts, so you can split them up. Just find a version with subtitles on youtube and you'll be cutting down on your Netflix time, no problem.

>>69708842
you posted the lone counterexample. Vocaloid is weeb cancer

>>69708745
here's your (you)

Why is Zenph Re-performance the best classical music album series?

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>>69708505
>>69708691

why does anime exist?

>>69700970
Unaccompanied SATB Choir. Easter is perhaps the best time to hook up with this style, if you live in a metropolitan area. Yes, you will probably sit in a chapel. If you have several colleges in your area, the religious selections will have probably include works of obscure composers or seldom performed works of masters in order to serve an educational purpose. Here's one to get your started on a YouTube hunt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwRW8ee4S8

>tfw the Italian futurists were very memey when it came to music so never produced anything as good as their painting or their sculptures
>>69707802
I'm fairly certain that is a picture of mine but just filtered through some shitty filters
>>69707882
>tfw winter is too warm atm so winterreise doesn't feel right
>>69707951
everything is permitted, nothing is true

>>69709072
very bad start. The Barber agnus dei is stupid. Just listen to the quartet

What is worse, vocaloid covers or epic metal covers?

>>69709130
piano transcripts

does metal music have any redeeming factors? its a genre of popular music that I just never understood. Something about it always sounds very cheesy and stupid

>>69709160
but anon don't you know that if beethoven was alive he would make metal music?

>>69709106
Sorry. You're right: The quartet rocks. I listened to several choirs and liked that one because of the clarity of the voices. Kanno's Orphan was comfortable mud. I guess that I can hope that the prior poster will have autoplay on and listen to several. Do contribute a satb to the thread, eh? I'm sure I'll like it better than my choice.

>>69709130
Rock covers are the worst because they aren't funny and nerdy like vocaloid, just plain shitty.

>>69708916

cuz i'm a neet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZuSaudKc68

post better modern versions of classical music

>>69709685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsodvY_Dnbs

>>69709160
it's just the tendency for electric distorted guitars to sound really compressed and tinny.

Do you guys know a good recording of Elliott Carter's Night Fantasies? What do you guys think of that piece?

>>69709160

Because it is cheesy and stupid for the most part. I've literally never ever heard a sophisicated metal composition in my entire life.

It's ultimately music for teenagers, adult who have not grown out of it yet and people who want to get pumped.

>>69709095
>>tfw the Italian futurists were very memey when it came to music so never produced anything as good as their painting or their sculptures
what the fuck are you talking about? russolo basically predicted the next 100+ years of music in the 1910s

>>69710004
ursula oppens is p good

dank as fuck

>>69710031

I only listen to avant-metal and classical and find your characterizations inaccurate sir

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http://www.strawpoll.me/11892669

>>69684340
why do they do this to such meme tier music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBLIdB33HOw

Beethoven was a fucking genius.

>>69694138
>we didnt need any more gershwin piano
>rhapsody in blue was only good piece
no disrespect RIP

>>69710750
just

>>69710750
idk man sounds more like mozart to me
WUB WUB WUB

>Concerto For Orchestra

so.. you mean a symphony?

>>69710656
IKR MAN this song is alot more underrated tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJkjh1IH4Fg

>>69710855

>concerto for orchestra

kek

>>69710855
symphonies are so 19th century brah. besides a concerto is more about featuring a particular instrument than a symphony

>>69710750
The lack of aggressive growls would disappoint him.

>>69710750
Imagine how groundbreaking it was to listen to this at the 19th century.

I really hate Mahler, like lividly. On the other hand his first symphony has recetly become one of my favorite pieces. It sounds like Schubert as a (somewhat histrionic) late romantic. But I can't stand his other work. Anyone have a tsundere relationship with a composer?

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Post some fuckin Ligeti bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVnazeA3zw

>>69711529
>Anyone have a tsundere relationship with a composer?
Shosty. Love the last two symphonies and some of his late chamber works, absolutely can't stand the majority of his music, though.

And, uh, who else...

I guess Tchaikovsky? I really enjoy the 6th symphony (especially the first and last movements) but not much else.

By the way, if you like Mahler's 1st for its classical elements, you'd probably like the 4th too.

>>69711550
https://youtu.be/qIrEcMeBAAw

>>69711529
It's a matter of time before you become his #1 fan

>>69711609
Thanks I'll check it out. The opening movement of the 5th is where the anmosity started because it felt lke a total assault on my sanity. And when I went back to give him a second chance symphony 6 was possibly even worse. Then I couldn't even listen to symphony 7. Then I heard the first symphony on the radio and when I heard it was Mahler I just thought, well this is awkward.

Its probably no concidence that the heir to Mahler's compositional style is as polarizing. I think Shostakovich is great but I can understand why people don't like him with his musical shitposting.

Also, coincidentally I probably feel the exact same way about Tchaikovsky. His music is just too saccharine to take seriously.

>>69711756
>Then I heard the first symphony on the radio and when I heard it was Mahler I just thought, well this is awkward.
Mahler is typically gargantuan but within that context his works can differ quite a bit. I think even when it comes to polarizing works like the 7th (which I don't like for the most part either) stuff like the Nachtmusik is quite mesmerizing. And then there's things like his 6th which I find quite interesting from strictly an academic point-of-view, but which I don't particularly like to listen to--it's just a bit too massive and hysterical for my tastes. I hope someone makes a chamber arrangement for it someday.

I think it was Barenboim who claimed in an interview that one of his favorite things about Mahler was how he embodied a different kind of idiom from work-to-work. I don't particularly like Barenboim as a conductor nor as a pianist, but I like most of his interviews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_nrioWewHc

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Rihm ###1

>>69711960
Rihm my arse
-mozart

>>69710855
>is perhaps the best-known of a number of pieces that have the apparently contradictory title Concerto for Orchestra. This is in contrast to the conventional concerto form, which features a solo instrument with orchestral accompaniment. Bartók said that he called the piece a concerto rather than a symphony because of the way each section of instruments is treated in a soloistic and virtuosic way.

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https://youtu.be/atLVZvIGDJg

>>69712068
so this........ is..... art.......
whoa.....

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>>69684275
How do I score a piece of music in locrian mode without making it an unreadable mess of sharps/flats and naturals?
Pic related I have no idea what I'm doing.

>>69691123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvuigMwuj-k
Underrated as fuck.

>>69712232
What the fuck, use sharps instead of flats. Wow.

>>69712232
Instead of writing Ab A natural over and over again just use G# A.
And the A natural on your 4th measure is unnecesary.

>>69712232
>writing in a fake mode just to be edgy.

What does the Locrian scale even sound like? Its just unpleasant. Supposedly Debussy's Sonata for Harp Viola and Flute is in Locrian and that is one of the most uncanny things I've heard.

>>69694261
Just listen. The music is not a vehicle for his thoughts and feelings, the music is his thoughts and feelings. If I knew how he did it I'd be doing it myself.

>>69712498
It sounds like you're not prepared yet.
Don't worry anon, you can keep listening to your basic aeolian/ionian modes until you feel like you're ready to put on the big boy pants

>>69707882
>comfy
winterreise is fucking soul crushing dude

>>69712498
I don't know if this is in Locrian but I took the notes and made this melody. I think this Locrian has potential.

blob:http://www.multiplayerpiano.com/7b36e6ef-0102-4739-926b-91419b28cd3b

>>69712775
Oh apparently you can't link to the recording

>>69708916
Do you have ADHD? Legit question.

>>69712498
What I want is that diminished 5th on a minor scale, like in the bwv578.
Not sure if that's locrian or just bending the rules.

>>69711756
>childish saccharine plebs, I only listen to mature serious music for mature serious people like myself
There is literally nothing wrong with Tchaikovsky.

>>69712498
Locrian is beautiful desu. Peeps just using it wrong by assuming its minor because "muh stability".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFf3Mt7Cg1M

>>69712858
But a natural minor scale already has a diminished 5th on the supertonic.

>>69712868
I am not trying, myself to be taken seriously but I am saying Tchaikovsky's music is so melodramatic that it almost sounds like a pastiche of the romantic.

>>69712883
how is that not "minor"? its gloomy as fuck

>>69712925
Well yes its a bit somber but you can use Locrian in a very major-sounding way.

>>69712905
Give an example.

>>69712888
Yeah I want the half step between the tonic and supertonic and then the one whole step, and then half step.

>>69713231
Piano Concerto in b flat minor

>>69713283
Okay, whatever root you want for locrian mode, just choose the key signature as if that root was a leading tone of a major scale. So if you want C locrian, imagine C is the leading tone of Db and choose a key signature with 5 flats. If you want F locrian choose the key signature of Gb major, etc. That would probably be a lot easier than writing out the accidentals every time.

>>69713341
What's bad about it? "I don't like it "or "firetruck" is not an argument.

>>69713283
Also, the intervals you described don't sound Locrian. Locrain goes half step, whole step, whole step, half step, whole step, whole step, whole step

>>69713389
I didn't say that it was objectively bad.

>>69713422
Hmm, I want whole step, half step, whole step, half step, whole step, whole step, half step.
What mode is that?

>>69712905
Out of all the romantics I've always respected tchaikovsky because you can tell it's genuine with him.

>>69713472
That doesn't end on the same note. Did you put a half step when you meant whole step somewhere? Or, did you want to add another half step? If so you can get the octatonic scale.

>>69713376
Different guy. I am curious would it be incorrect (unlocrian) to end a piece written in Locrian using the 1st 3rd 5th and 6th scale degrees?

>>69713501
I certainly cant tell because I don't like his music but I suppose it does sound pretty gay.

>>69713561
I guess the last interval could be a whole step.

>>69712905
That shameless sentimentality is what's good about him.

>>69713611
That just means you want to end on the minor, right? That's not "locrian" but there's nothing "incorrect" about that.

>>69713640
Then you get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_diminished_scale

>>69713687
No, I'm trying to figure out how such a piece could end in the least offensive way possible and only having limited theoretical knowledge limited to casual playing. Why is it not correct because the 6th is not part of the Locrian triad?

>>69713687
also it doesn't sound "minor" to me. Not even the mode itself. Actually it sounds extremely bright. the chord I outlined is jazzy and majorish for me desu.

>>69713758
Oh wait, you meant the scale degrees relative to the Locrian scale? So then you want to end on a dominant 7th?

>>69713802
yes, I guess I overlooked that it was a dominant 7th. I think it would sound alright.

With all this talk of modes, how would you write in a mode, say F lydian and avoid it sounding like C major (which our ears would probably default to)

>>69713985
You use the notes of C major but use F as the tonic. So if you were writing your typical I-IV-V-I chord progression, you would go F-B-C-F.

>>69713985
Do people really have instinctual ideas of what keys sound like? People hum shit all the time out of key. Wouldn't that mean that everyone would have perfect pitch because just by hearing a note they would have some intrinsic sense of what that note represents as a key?

>>69714026
Yeah I know but it seems like your ears would naturally register it as C major, how would you firmly establish F as the tonic?

>>69714072
They don't have to have perfect pitch but most people can probably tell what a I chord sounds like and since F lydian has a C major signature it seems like we'd be drawn to it

>>69713985
accentuate the sharp 4th scale degree that is characteristic of lydian.

>>69714159
But what if the b natural ends up sounding like the leading tone of c?

>>69714026
If it sounds like that then you're still thinking of C as the tonic, and not the F. I just saw >>69714208 so you're definitely still in that mindset. Easiest way is to write something that's strongly in the key of F major, then sharp the 4 throughout.

(Also I honestly just bullshitted my post, I never think about scale degrees when I write, especially with modes. You first get a feel for it, then just start doing whatever. When you're in this territory, you start thinking less in terms of moving between different scale degrees of the same key, and more in terms of navigating between different scales/modes in different keys. Modes are an important entry point to tonal ambiguity. But the simplest thing is to just do what I said, write something in F then sharp all the 4s.)

>>69714293
Meant to quote >>69714077

Mozart underraters are horrible but whats with all the Richard Strausss underraters? He's actually really substantial. I don't get it.

>>69711609
I got done listening to the fourth. My impression was the refined classical elements were being treated like a joke as the whole thing had this tangible air of irony to it. Its almost like he was saying "I am going to ruin music and there is nothing you can do"- hell even the motive from the bombastic fifth makes an appearance. But it was certainly more enjoyable than the 5th or 6th I can say that much.

>>69715356
I don't think he's underrated. He's one of the most frequently performed composers.

>>69708842
This is the only piece that even comes close to making me cry (and I'm an autist). Well not this vocaloid crap version but this makes me almost consider converting to christianity whenever I hear it but then I remember I'm a denerate who jacks himself off all the time and I've probably cut myself off from the kingdom of god. Anyway my point is if you don't regard Bach as the greatest composer just for this 7-8 minutes then there is something seriously wrong with you desu.

>>69715764
I mean here. and "one of" is a huge list. Just by virtue of being a meme well OF COURSE he is. Overlooked and underrated are not the same thing.

>>69715595
Well, fair enough I suppose. I never really saw it as him laughing at classical elements--after all, Beethoven, Schubert, and Mozart were heroes of his. In-fact, he frequently programmed Mozart at a time when he wasn't very popular (before the 20th century revival some of his operas were deemed as too vulgar or laughable in style)

I felt more like the classical elements were simply being juxtaposed against the hyper-romanticism of his time. A commentary, but not necessarily a hostile one.

>hell even the motive from the bombastic fifth makes an appearance
You mean the 5th quotes the 4th. Not the other way around.

>>69715891
I don't think he was mocking those composers but maybe he was merely saying to stuffy bourgeois critics that music was moving forward with or without them. That's all conjecture but I had a hard time placing the bizarre strained romantic interruptions other than some sort of meta-commentary because overall a lot of the material is even more classical than in his first symphony.

Daily reminder that equal temperament is the master race.

What would you say is the genuinely worst piece of classical you've heard? No memes or posting composers that you personally dislike. I'm looking for genuine incompetence here.

>>69699338
Ahaha yes, excuse me...

Scarlatti's sonatas

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Bassoon is a cute instrument. Post some bassoon works.

>listen to a bunch of classical
>all sorts of musical ideas spring up

Am I secretly a undeveloped composer?

>>69716453
microtonality and traditional music tho

hey bitches what's kickin'

>>69710750
garbage

this is superior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNiisPZCidc

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>>69716646
Only one way to find out.

>>69712232
I don't understand what you're trying to do here. If youre writing in B Locrian you just keep your key as all naturals.

>>69712498
I hate saying this but you really just don't get it probably

post chorus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYAn8roqEtA

>>69716775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5GkSamoajM

>>69716690
vocaloid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHfRb7MBp0Q

>>69715883
>autist is moved into a state of awe by Bach's musical hugbox and thinks this justifies his Mozart underrating

sad desu

Is there anything more beautiful than the Heiliger Dankgesang?

>>69717220
the cavatina, the e major fugue from wtc II

>>69716952
are there vocaloid performances of Bartok's violin sonatas yet?

>>69715890

Well I can't find any performances around here that is not fucking Strauss, so he has a point.

>>69716646
Isn't that some next shit? You listen to good stuff and then you're inspired to try making good stuff. Who'd've thought? Rockists and hip-hop fags BTFO

>>69717607
I didn't say I was making anything. But I can't help it, its just like a vivid soupy musical phantasm

>>69712883
Is that actually Locrian? It doesn't sound like any of the other Locrian stuff I've now heard.

>>69686949
>Messaein twice

Why do people regard him as such a great composer? He's got like 5 gimmicks and that's it

>tfw it took Liszt 3 months to learn the Hammerklavier

Fuck, it will take me decades

>>69712232
What does it even mean, structurally for a melody to be authentically in a particular mode? Does it need to start on the tonic and end on the dominant?

>>69716616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXymDZdzeeQ

Doesn't it ever bother you guys that you are always a couple of degrees away from actually listening to the composer? You are just listening to some chubby chinks interpretation, filtered through centuries of other interpretations ultimately coloured by the zeitgeist of that particular time

>>69718498

>tfw you can tell the difference between pre and post-9/11 recording

>>69718533

>tfw you can tell the difference between asian piano players and non-asian piano players

>>69718498

Whenever you hear vibrato in a pre-classical piece you're listening to revisionism.