whats the best kanye album ? imo 808s is his best album desu

>>69671025
PERSONAL TASTE INCOMING.

MBDTF>LR>CD>Graduation>Yeezus=WTT>TLOP>808s

>>69671047
>>808s

really really bad taste
i will fight you irl

>>69671025
Fuck it I'm going with TLOP. It's grown on me more than any other album this year. The fact that it seems like a 'mess' is one of it's strengths.

>>69671066
>really really bad taste
Now now, let's not be rude to eachother.

Why do you like the album so much?

>>69671103
i like all yeezy albums
why do you think 808s is his worst when its his best ?
explain YOURSELF

>>69671025

I agree on 808's. It's so different from the rest of his work that it's little surprise that it's as polarizing as it is, but polarization works both ways. Some hate it because it's different and some love it because it's different. I'm in the latter camp and wish he would go back to being a sadsack that makes cold, sparse music.

>>69671047
MBDTF>Yeezus>808s>TLoP>Graduation
I'm really not a fan of CD and LR, only listened to them once through so not really fair to rank them; I do like songs on them, but as a whole thing I'm not a fan; listened to TLoP the otherday: a lot better than I remember, Graduation I'm really not a fan of; has a few good songs granted

>>69671103
Kanye has one of those fanbases where if anyone disagrees that all his albums are masterpieces theyll personally attack you

>>69671146

>we've reached a point where CD and LR are starting to be seen as lesser works

Maybe it's because I've liked Kanye since 2005 but this is weirding me out.

yeezus is his 2nd best

>>69671080
I agree. TLOP is the epitome of a grower album - when it first came out, I thought it was his weakest album, but now I am thoroughly convinced it is as strong, if not stronger than MBDTF

>>69671135
For a man who's known for making amazing beats that album had some of the worst he's ever made in his career. The autotune I wouldn't mind if the production behind it were more interesting.

>>69671146
Definitely give LR another listen, man. A lot more lush production than CD had (though CD was still great).

>>69671164
But I've never personally attacked anyone.

Am I being a Kanye fan wrong?

I haven't listened to TLOP yet; what do you guys think is the best version?

>>69671231

That, I disagree with. Yeezus is his only album to date that I outright dislike. I'm not the biggest fan of Graduation or TLOP either but I still think they're decent. Yeezus simply struck me as a mistake.

>>69671221
Nah not saying they're lesser, I'm just not a fan of them, I think it's the style I don't like outside of a few songs. I tried to give CD another try the other day but I just wasn't feeling it.
Started a few years ago with my friend showing me MBDTF and Yeezus, didn't like Yeezus as much at first (same with 808s) but then started to really like them later on
>>69671296
I definitely will give it another listen, there have certainly been a good few albums I didn't like as much at first

>>69671296

I love the instrumentals on 808's with a passion. They even manage to elevate lesser tracks like Amazing and See You In My Nightmares to decency.

>>69671356
Not him, but I've got a pasta I made explaining why I like CD, at least, if you're interested in reading it

>>69671396
Sure, sounds interesting

>>69671357
>Amazing and See You In My Nightmares
>Decent

There's 2 songs I like on the album. Try to guess which ones.

>>69671319
>Yeezus simply struck me as a mistake.

i dont get how you can think that

>>69671416

Paranoid and Robocop, the songs that even 808s detractors like.

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>>69671421

It's all flash and no substance. New Slaves is the only time on the album he says something even remotely interesting, and musically the album peaks with On Sight before becoming a relative disappointment sonically. Black Skinhead is still okay and Guilt Trip has a pleasant instrumental but aside from that the album was one big miss for me.

If you don't like kanye's albums in the order
Yeezus > Graduation = MBDTF > CD > LR > 808s

you are a pleb

>>69671576
'substance' is a meme word
yeezus was great and your only criticism is that you did not personally like all of it

>>69671616
>LR
>Second worst

Nah man.

>>69671549

Wasn't hard to predict. It's like saying Only Shallow and Sometimes are the only good songs on Loveless, or that Paranoid Android and Karma Police are the only good songs on OK Computer.

>>69671636
LR is still a really good album I just like it less than the others

808s sucks dick though.

>>69671649
>Paranoid Android
>Paranoid

>Robocop
>Karma Police

...Huh....weirdly fitting.
Also I liked 'A Love Surpreme'....

>>69671661
>808s sucks dick though.
Now that we can agree on.
Still don't get why LR is lower than CD and Grad tho. Maybe swap Grad and LR and I'd agree more.

>>69671047
Put 808s on the same tier as Yeezus and I'll agree 100%.

>>69671025
It's the pinnacle of Heavy albums

why does nobody consider cruel summer but also factor in watch the throne ?

>>69671649
I thought the 2 tracks on loveless were When You Sleep and Sometimes. I thought most people disliked Only Shallow since it's so noisy.

>>69671751
All tracks on WTT had some involvement from Kanye while about half of Cruel Summer didn't.

WTT was 2 people and Cruel Summer was for the label.

>>69671751
Cruel Summer didn't have all Kanye. Now what I wonder is why people don't consider Eyes Closed.
MBDTF>LR>TCR>Japanese Grad>Eyes Closed=808s=Yeezus>Standar Grad=WTT>TLoP

>>69671809
Isn't 'Japanese Grad' only 1 or 2 tracks different from the original? Why is 'Standard' so low in comparison.

Also what's 'Eyes Closed'?

>>69671628
>'substance' is a meme word

And you wonder why I don't like Yeezus. There's no good defense for the album on that front, hence why people always dismiss it. Sorry that I think Yeezus is 40 minutes of pretty flickering lights, and I'm sorry that I'm not impressed by that. I don't expect much depth from an artist like Kanye but to me, Yeezus is especially devoid of it. He did decently enough with the albums before it but I feel he dropped the ball with Yeezus.

>>69671025
808's is just his heaviest album

>>69671755

True to an extent, but Only Shallow is the quintessential shoegaze song, the one people know Loveless for.

>>69671809
Graduation is one of his better albums stop posting on this board

>>69671907

Graduation is as close to bog standard pop as the man ever put out. It's competent but unremarkable.

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CD > MBDTF > 808s > LR > Yeezus > Graduation > TLOP

>>69671907
Yeah nah, Japanese Grad is really high because of Bittersweet + Good Night are great songs, but without those the album's lower and more boring points are a lot more obvious.

>>69671993
The album has no boring points.

>>69671868
so you admit your a kanye hater ?
why are you here ?

>>69672019

I like Kanye, just not Yeezus.

>>69672016
Barry Bonds and Drunk and Hot Girls were pretty boring, it really sucks that it's right in the middle and one after the other

>>69672065
>I don't expect much depth from an artist like Kanye

>>69672093
Drunk and hot girls is really good though. You just have bad taste

DAMN IT!
WHY DOESN'T ANYONE THINK
LATE REGISTRATION IS OBJECTIVELY BETTER THAN MBDTF

>>69672113
I see, thanks for informing me

>>69672134
Because it's not. It's a great album but MBDTF is a far more cohesive and complete album. It understands its concept better than Late Registration.

>>69671312
just listen to the final version. honestly not much difference between the different cuts and saint pablo is a good song

>>69671296
>808's production is bad
Alright that's where you lose me. I think the production is incredible and possibly the album's biggest strength. Some of the tracks are downright beautiful (Say You Will, RoboCop, Street Lights, Coldest Winter)

>>69671862
yeah and the two tracks that are on it are much better than a majority of the rest of the album

bittersweet poetry is top5 kanye songs for me

>>69671404
College Dropout is not without musical merit
>helped make chipmunk soul a popular element to the Chicago sound >Graduation Day, Jesus Walks, and The New Workout Plan have experiments in autotune which foreshadow Kanye's later work on 808's
>I'll Fly Away is a barbershop tune on a rap album
>Spaceship has an unconventional time signature (6/8) for hip-hop at least, and we get to hear what rapping to such a time signature sounds like
>Jesus Walks has the lush production we see from Kanye later in his career; we hear marching band drums and chanting, pitched up soul choruses, autotune singing and regular singing, along with the normal strings and claps, all on the same beat sometimes at the same time
>Get 'Em High has Kanye playing around with the mixing on Talib's verse
>The New Workout Plan's beat has prominent string elements that increase and decrease in volume, and drop in and out at a few points before the later half of the song, at which point the beat changes almost completely, has a decently unconventional song structure, and introduces multiple tempos at one point
>Two Words plays with structure by having the rap verse spill over into the chorus, this also happens on Get 'Em High and Never Let Me Down I think, and has a nice little choral crescendo
>Through The Wire has unique vocal inflection and a chorus largely overshadowed by spoken dialogue, something fairly strange in a single
>Family Business keeps the chorus fresh each time; more singing is layered in each time around, singers come in and out at different points, and all this is interspersed with audio recordings
>Last Call has that amazing and appropriate 8 minute outro with constantly changing and pausing backing instrumentation; he even breaks the flow and keeps it fresh by rapping a small chorus bit during it
>putting all this in the context of what was popular in rap at the time makes these even more amazing
Cont. in next post

>>69672134
I really REALLY want to, but the skits and Hey Mama bring it down for me.

Also /mu/ would castrate me.

>>69672218
Robocop yes, Coldest Winter and Street Lights MAYBE, Say You Will hell no.

>>69672253
Fair enough.

>>69672315
>good variation in flows; Kanye raps slow at times, normal speed at times, quickly at some points, and sometimes interrupts his flow mid-beat, and the featured artists (GLC, Jay, Talib, Common, Twista, Mos, Freeway) mostly bring their unique flows to the table, so each track sounds fairly different in terms of delivery
And these are more opinion-based reasons why I like it so much
> Kanye's rhyming is mostly basic compared to similarly lauded hip-hop artists across his discography, but on this album in particular, it adds to his artistic integrity, along with the album's intention: he was a producer from a middle-class background trying to make it as a novice MC fairly late in the game (late 20's), and the rhyming and overall diction reflect that; it's "delightfully flawed" if I could describe his raps succinctly. You really get the impression that this is his own style and voice that present themselves in his raps. This trait of Kanye's (the basic rapping) does become more indefensible in subsequent albums, however.
>has an admirable underdog to champion story that can pretty easily win you over, and is a classic element of hip-hop
>has a number of daring called shots which pretty much all came true at some point, so they end up being quite funny
>does what Kanye wanted it to do as stated in one of his interviews, which is "whatever you may be feeling in any particular moment, I have a song about it on my album," it expresses defiance, frustration, longing, disdain, uncertainty, hope, confidence, sadness at points, sexual desire, hype, triumph in the face of adversity, camaraderie, familial warmth, and celebratory merriment
>has some of his most classic punchlines and braggadocio, coupled with the more heartwarming verses about his faith in God, his girl, his recovery from injury, and his family, and sometimes these two things happen at the same time, which definitely become moments to remember

And one more coming up

>>69671862
Because I think the quality between albums are quite small, I like them all very much, so those 2 tracks make a big difference as well as an impact. Eyes Closed is a mixtape that was released before MBDTF, Kanye was going to make that his last album after the whole Taylor Swift media attacks thing, but then made MBDTF and WTT and kept making music. It's pretty solid, has some really cool songs, thought looking at the tracklist now I probably put it a bit too high, probably closer to Pablo. Though it has Never See Me Again, which goes for a long time but it's a pretty cool song, since it was meant as a "Goodbye everyone", I quite enjoy it.

>>69672353
>has Kanye's characteristic ego, but a little bit more down-to-earth so it's not as off-putting; there's good balance
>all the songs come together to present Kanye's multifaceted personality in an amusing manner
>overall, it just oozes spirit, resolve, and ambition, something which I've personally always struggled to find, so to hear someone find those things and have it all pay off was a really awesome thing to see for me

>>69672385
I really gotta find that album.

>>69672098

And then I went on to say that the pre-Yeezus albums did decently well on that front. He comes across as a relatable underdog on CD and LR, celebrates his rise to fame on Graduation, laments the loss of his mom and spouse on 808s, and paints a vivid landscape of fame-fueled manic depression on MBDTF. He's saying or doing something on these albums. With Yeezus, I can't find a point beyond maybe retreading MBDTF but a little crazier. It lacks the thematic focus of that album too - MBDTF ebbs and flows, peaks and valleys. Yeezus just sounds like it throws everything but the kitchen sink at listeners and hopes that something sticks, and when it does have something like New Slaves or I Am A God it never actually goes anywhere in the long run. I just feel it's too slapdash, or if he's trying to be spontaneous then he forgot to actually make that work instead of just doing it.

>>69672396
>>69671404
So yeah, there it is. I know all of this definitely isn't enough to counter a gut response to a piece of music like what you had, but maybe it'll enhance your experience of listening to the album a bit more the next time around. Hope it helps.

>>69672334
The skits are funny and Hey Mama is great, but I can see why they'd get in peoples way of enjoyment. I personally don't put LR higher than MBDTF beacuse I think it flows better and there's rarely a slow point in the album, for me it's just the second half of Blame Game, the rest are incredible non-stop beautiful instrumentation and/or production with some of my favourite lyrics by Kanye. I love the maximalist and feature heavy approach, I thought it fit him incredibly well. Plus, the iTunes exclusive track is a great song, really fitting of Kanye.
>>69672421
It's pretty easy to find, just search up Eyes Closed download, it's a mixtape so it's free and it should be one of the first results.
>>69672315
>>69672353
Pretty cool read. Didn't know Spaceship was in 6/8.

>>69672445
im not reading your essay
wtf is your deal ?

Yeezus > MBDTF > CD > Jap Graduation > LR > TLoP > 808s > WTT > Standard Graduation > CS

808s is really good imo but you have to be in a certain mood to listen to it, which is why it's lower down on the list

>>69672481
Was pretty interesting to read.
I tend to take a while to start to like things much, usually fairly neutral at first, so it wouldn't be fair to not give it a few more spins, and it's not like I don't like Kanye a lot
>has a number of daring called shots which pretty much all came true at some point, so they end up being quite funny
You happen to remember these? Sounds
interesting

>>69671296
Listened to a bit over half of LR again just now, it's certainly pretty good, and Gold Digger will forever be my jam

>>69672421
Eyes Closed is on datpiff for what it's worth, I googled it myself about twenty minutes ago or something

>>69672564

I'm just explaining myself, man.

>>69672645
ok i read your essay
yeezus was an experimental project
it wasnt meant to be a cohesive story
maybe you do not like that

>>69672716

I'll concede that I like it when Kanye sounds like he has this podium and an intense desire to drop a truth bomb on motherfuckers like on On Sight or New Slaves. In those moments the album is great, but those moments are so damn few and everything else just seems like it's wasting my time.

>>69672556
Yeah I really enjoyed it too. The only parts I HATED were So Appaled and the outro to Blame Game.

Without the outro Blame Game would probably be in my top 10 Ye tracks.

>>69672780
imo music does not need to have a message or meaning
music just needs to sound good regardless of message

>>69672850
>hating So Appalled

why though

>>69672850
I don't get why so many people dislike So Appaled, I thought it has some of the best verses in the album, everyone's verses is great, the instrumentation bothered me a bit when I first heard it but I quite enjoy it. My only grip with it is that Kanye says "That was a little joke, voila" Instead of "That was a little joke, haha", fuck.

>>69672919
I thought most people liked it? It's probably my favourite Ye track

>>69672884

To each their own I suppose. I prefer a harmonization of theme and music to create a greater sense of mood and atmosphere. Makes the package that much more complete to me. It actually goes a long way in making 808's my favorite - the themes of isolation and sadness resonate wonderfully with the minimalistic music. Evem the autotune works in harmony with the themes, the whole thing just works for me.

>>69672936
Most times I hear people argue the weakest track from MBDTF, So Appalled seems to be generally considered to be it, though I'd say Blame Game myself, since it sadly drags too long for my tastes.

>>69672919
That's my problem with it. All the other beats are amazing at that one is just....fucking trash.

>>69672979
Would you think differently if the outro were cut out? (Cause I would)

>>69672979

Both are my least favorite because I think they both drag. That said, Blame Game's skit is kinda funny and Kanye's vocal manipulations on it are pretty cool.

>>69672960
like i said in the op 808s is my favorite and its actually my favorite for the same reasons you say
i consider yeezus my 2nd favorite for different reasons

>>69672638
From Spaceship
>I deserve to do these numbers/The kid that made that/Deserves that Maybach
This is a little more vague, since it could be referring to how he was doing at the time, but it could also be taken as him saying he deserved the fact that CD almost went Gold in its first week

From Jesus Walks, and this is probably the longest one
>So here go my single dog, radio needs this
>They say you can rap about anything except for Jesus
>That means guns, sex, lies, videotape
>But if I talk about God my record won't get played, huh?
>Well if this take away from my spins
>Which'll probably take away from my ends
>Then I hope this take away from my sins
>And bring the day that I'm dreamin' about
>Next time I'm in the club, everybody screamin' out [chorus]
This is a direct acknowledgement of the hip-hop mainstream at the time, which was 50 Cent-type gangsta rap. If you listen to the outro in Last Call, you'll find that this was one of the main reasons so many people didn't want to sign Kanye: he wasn't from the hood and didn't rap about hood-related things. In that time, for the major record labels, it was hood or bust, they wouldn't sign you otherwise. This, coupled with the fact that Kanye is a producer-rapper, made him a hard sell to labels like Roc-A-Fella and Capitol Records. This single was a big risk in this type of mainstream hip-hop environment, but Kanye banked on its success anyway, and lo and behold, when it was released, it became one of Kanye's biggest hits; it had the highest debut on the Billboard Hot 100 the week it came out.

From Get 'Em High
>If you follow the charts
>Or the plaques or the stacks
>You ain't gotta guess who's back
Pretty self-explanatory, calling the success of CD in the charts.

From School Spirit
>I'mma get on this TV, mama
>I'mma I'mma put shit down
This could refer to just him being famous, or specifically, an appearance at the Grammys or something like that.

Cont. next post

>>69673035
Probably. I thought the Chris rock skit was pretty amusing, but after listening to it over 20 times I really just skip it half the time.
But yeah, I can relate to complaining about the beat, but after a while I really love it. Plus, I really love the whole "Famous life isn't that glamorous" thing that MBDTF has it going on the first half of the album, and So Appalled does it well.

>>69673066

It's funny, 808's and Yeezus are considered rather similar to each other, yet it's that critical factor of thematic cohesion that puts them on polar opposite ends of the scale for me.

>>69673075
From Two Words
>Most imitated, Grammy nominated
Doesn't really have to be explained, though this is also one of his pre-CD songs I believe, it was released on the Through The Wire single which came out in 2003

From Through The Wire
>I swear this right here, history in the making, man
Doesn't really need to be explained, but this was a shot called before CD was conceived, this song is Kanye's debut single released a year before on one of his mixtapes, even before he was signed to Roc-A-Fella, I think. If that's the case, then through in this bit too
>What if somebody from the Chi that was ill got a deal on the hottest rap label around?

From Family Business
>This is family business
>And this is for everybody standing with us
>Come on, let's take a family Grammy picture
Abi, remember when they ain't believe in me?
>Now she like "See, that's my cousin on TV!"
>Now, we gettin' it and we gon' make it
>And they gon' hate it and I'm his favorite
Calls his Grammy awards and calls his making it in the game in the first place

From Last Call
>I take my chain, my 15 seconds of fame
>And come back next year with the whole fucking game
>Ain't nobody expect Kanye to end up on top
>They expected that College Dropout to drop and then flop
Doesn't really need to be explained, though Late Registration can probably be thrown in with his Grammys as "coming back next year with the whole fuckin' game"

There's these

>I'll have a buzz bigger than insects in Texas
>Now is Kanye the most overlooked, Yes sir
>Now is Kanye the most overbooked, Yes sir

And to end on an amusing note, there's this
>Killin' y'all niggas on that lyrical shit
>Mayonnaise colored Benz, I push miracle whips
because he actually did get a mayo colored Benz before the album came out, but this couplet is one of his oldest lines.

>>69673318
*throw in this bit

>>69673240
its an anomaly
we love/hate the same albums for different reasons

>>69673318
There is one failed called shot though, on Never Let Me Down, he promises his longtime gf at the time's uncle that he's gonna marry her, but they split after he got famous because he was disloyal or something, pretty ironic. And we all know who we married later.

>>69673318
Thanks, that's certainly a lot of calls made

>>69673445
*he
Damn, I'm slipping today

>>69673467
No problem, he seems to be pretty good at it considering what he called on Hell of a Life later

Shit taste incoming (for reference, huge fan of noisy shit, mostly interested in Kanye for his production)

Yeezus > TLOP > MBDTF > 808s >>> CD = LR > Graduation

>>69673571
almost good taste

>>69673571
>interested in kanye's production
>graduation last
explain this meme pleb

>>69673591
(sorry but I actually haven't listened to graduation yet, only kanye album I haven't gotten to)

>>69673571

Given your stipulations your ranking makes sense.

>>69673619

Graduation sounds the most of its time IMO but it's ultimately like a less ambitious MBDTF.

MBDTF > TCD > 808S = Grad > Yeezus > TLOP > LR

>>69673703
>LR at bottom

Fucking. Nope.

>>69671319
bad taste

>>69674063

Sorry man, Yeezus just didn't work for me.

tony perkis best poster on /mu/

LR>MBDTF>CD>808s>Yeezus>TLOP>Graduation
Even though I have it at the bottom, Graduation has some of my favorite Kanye songs but also his worst imo.

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>>69671025
OBJECTIVE TASTE COMING THROUGH
i know so because this was my banner when i opened the thread, it's moot telling me from beyond the grave that i'm right
MBDTF > college dropout > yeezus > late registration > 808's > TLOP > graduation

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>>69672334
>the skits and Hey Mama bring it down for me.
this is the worst taste i have ever seen of anyone on /mu/ of any band or genre or anything, congrats cocksucker

>>69674385

It's such a shame that one of his most patrician sample picks got mangled so badly in Drunk and Hot Girls.

808's > LR = CD > MBDTF > TLOP > G > Y

>>69673718
I only enjoy 6~ of the songs on the album, and there's quite a few songs that i just really don't like (drive slow, celebration, crack music, etc). By no means a bad album, but just my personal least favourite.

>>69671025
For me it's Yeezus or 808s

His best albums are those with a strong emotional core and these two best exemplify being angry drunk and heartbreak best respectively

>>69674462
Thanks, needlessly hostile Kanye stan!

>>69674666
Which 6 did you like?

>>69674785
Heard Em Say
Touch the Sky
Roses
Hey Mama
Gone
Diamonds From Sierra Leone

>>69674809

>Roses

Welp, I can't be too mad. You at least like my favorite Kanye song.

>>69671576
Hold My Liquor and Blood On The Leaves have to be two of the most crushing songs

I Am A God, if ego is to be compared to gravity, would be a black hole

I'm In It is just a nasty, grimy, pure hedonism song

On Sight, Guilt Trip and Send It Up are also all great

Bound 2 is the light at the end of an incredibly dark tunnel that lets you believe someone might be able to fix you (TLOP is the proof that that won't happen, and it's placement in the Kanye chronology is one of the reasons it's great)

Yeezus is definitely Kanye's most personal album, and imo his best

>>69672093
Barry Bonds and Drunk and Hot Girls are two of the best tracks on the album with Eveything I Am and Flashing Lights

Stronger, Champion, Homecoming and Good Life are the reason Graduation is one of his worst

>>69674809
Surprised, but I still respect it.

>>69674216
next time listen to it while having fun or working out

>>69674973
Stronger is shit, but how can you not like champion? What are you a fucking gay boi?

>>69672385
Never See Me Again is one of my favourite Kanye tracks, the way the beat overpowers the vocals and the 'slurring' caused by the auto tune are amazing

>>69674973
>good life

idiot

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>>69671312
i use this one

>>69674903

Hold My Liquor and I Am A God aren't disasters I guess but aside from the guitar solo and first verse respectively I can't say they do much for me. I'm In It does nothing for me either though I admit to having virtually no personal interest in hedonism. Blood On The Leaves started alright but got too corny for me once the horns kicked in. Guilt Trip sounds gorgeous but I've always had a hard time discerning its lyrics, Send It Up loses me instantly with that abhorrent airhorn beat, and Bound 2 actively pisses me off with its awful lyrics and bastardized take on his classic sound.

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>>69674973
>Barry Bonds and Drunk and Hot Girls are two of the best tracks on the album with Eveything I Am and Flashing Lights

>>69674666
Drive Slow is good

>>69671025
same
I like you Tony

Late Registration > Graduation > MBDTF > College Dropout > POWER GAP > 808s > POWER GAP > TLOP & Yeezus

>>69671025
MBDTF>Yeezus>CD>LR>808s>TLOP>Grad