are they right /mu/?

it's not appearing for me. link?

ya

not what i was expecting desu
guess i gotta listen to solange now

>>69634259
http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9980-the-50-best-albums-of-2016

This album is really good im not mad

could've been a better album, but also could've been much worse
seeing skeleton tree that low hurt tho, rip old p4k

>>69634259
http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9980-the-50-best-albums-of-2016/

is this going to be another fucking race bait thread?

>>69634286
every thread with a black person even mentioned always is thanks to 3 or 4 shitposters and whole bunch of gullible retards that always take the bait

Would p4k give Dido AOTY?

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>>69634286
why wouldn't it

>>69634286
hey, you brought it up :^)

Wow, they really felt that desperately that they needed to surprise with their top of the list? The Skeleton Tree ranking makes absolutely no sense, as well.

Their list becomes more baffling and idiotic every year. It's been an embarrassing laughing stock for the past 4 or 5 years.

>>69634286

i mean, do you really still not believe there isn't an agenda being pushed here? no one fucking likes solange or frank ocean that much my dude.

Is Lemonade number 2?

Bowie at number 4, and beating Radiohead and Kanye. I love it.

>>69634354
#3 to Blonde if you can believe it

P4k switcharoo

Rihanna put out a better album than Nicolas Jaar, apparently.

>>69634354
3

top five are:
5. TLOP
4. Blackstar
3. Lemonade
2. Blonde
1. Seat at the Table

>>69634370
Their lists always have that bullshit though.

Goddammit Bowie didn't die for this

I would've been ok with ATCQ, Danny Brown, Nick Cave, Leonard Cohen or Radiohead tho.

>>69634205
I didn't listen but blonde would be perfect in that position

>>69634394

I'm not surprised. That doesn't mean it's not a pathetically funny list.

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do you think people will remember the top 5 albums in a distant future.

>>69634368
>>69634375
I guess social context is more important for them, but then what's the context for TLOP and Blonde?

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>>69634205

>Blackstar being #5

Wow, you would really think the music website would honor one of pop culture's biggest icon with having his last album #1 as an honor.

>Lemonade #3

Ok now im mad.

im glad pitchfork has the guts to give brave POC the credit they deserve

>>69634427
Probably only Blackstar

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>>69634433

*Blackstar #4

also checked

>>69634430

blonde is literally a gay nigger

>>69634430
Frank Ocean is a meme and TLOP has a lot of meaning given Kanye's mental breakdown.

>>69634430
TLOP is far and away the most socially / culturally prescient album released this year.

>>69634430
Both are artist pitchfork sucks off essentially
Not saying they're bad albums, but pitchfork worships Kanye and Frank generally. Kanye could do an album of covers of songs from the spongebob soundtrack and Ryan Dombol would've given it a 9.2 BNM

>>69634427
Quick, everyone, off the top of your head what were P4k's top 5 of 2011?

That's what I thought.

>>69634427
definitely not pablo or lemonade
maybe solange
probably blackstar and blonde

>>69634472
to be fair gary come home is a great song and i think kanye could do a lot with it

>>69634480
bon iver
destroyer
m83
.... okay, i don't remember after that. maybe a drake?

>>69634499
Good point

Fuck now I want this, my sarcasm has backfired

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good work, whichever anon you are. 9 of the top 10 and the top 4. impressive

Solange is great, but this album bored me. Other than Cranes in the Sky, I don't get what someone would love about it

>>69634370
now this is really embarrassing

>>69634472
The spongebob soundtrack is good though

>>69634528
Yeah that was a bad example. Changing my example to "Kanye west practicing tuvan throat singing, acapella"

Hey guys, it's me, Will Toledo. Am I the only one who thinks Car Seat Headrest got snubbed? I know it was definitely in my top 10.

Well, now that you guys know for sure that Solange - A Seat at the Table is your personal AOTY, how does it feel?

>>69634472
Yep. They interpreted Kanye like a deity on yesterday's Ultralight Beam write-up, like, holy shit

>>69634352
>Or Frank ocean
Frank deserves it

>>69634433
but anon, Bowie is white

>>69634598
#NotMyAOTY

>>69634472
Don't even kid yourself anon, Kanye freestylin' over the Goofy Goober Song would be the dopest shit ever

>>69634552
That's actually patrician though

>>69634352
>Solange
>Frank Ocean
>Beyonce
>Kanye
>Chance
>ATCQ
60% black, written by a american focused music journalist website, when only 12% of americans are black

>>69634662

Um, what the fuck do you think you're trying to pull? You can get the fuck out of /mu/ if you try to even think about claiming that the Official Album Of The Year "A Seat At The Table" is not "your" personal AOTY.

>>69634205
is that symmetra im drunk i really don't know

Hot take: would the AOTY be different if Hillary had been elected?

>>69634480
Bon Iver was #1, I remember that.

>>69634690

#P4KsoBlack

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>>69634375
>4/5 are commercial albums by nigs

>>69634724

Considering the actual musical content of the album has fairly little to do with the numbering of the list I genuinely wouldn't be surprised.

>>69634690
so you also believe hollywood is a conspiracy in favor of whites? Almost no movies have prominent nonwhite characters

How many times can they write the word "black" in the Solange write-up?

Pro tip: NOT ENOUGH.

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>>69634205
> A group of women had pelted her, with words and then trash, as she stood to dance at a Kraftwerk concert in New Orleans.
Yes the reason they yelled at her was because she was black, not because she was an annoying fuck

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>>69634690
I wonder why?

>>69634763
I don't really care that much, but their agenda is so painfully obvious. None of those albums are better than Blackstar, AMSP, Skeleton Tree, etc.

>>69634724
probably would've been blackstar by a landslide

surprised at how few token jazz/experimental albums there are. which is good, they shouldn't embarrass themselves by compromising their pop music nature.

>>69634787

really my dude? that's just untrue.

>>69634698
Lol hivemind

>>69634787
Black people are actually over represented too. It's Hispanics and Asians who get snubbed.

>>69634787
guaranteed replies

I hope this album gets meme'd into not being able to take seriously at all because of this.

>>69634817

You can't argue official rankings, idiot. They're posted right on Pitchfork.com in case you want to recheck the list yourself.

I'm a part of what some people call the "alt-right" and it feels punk as fuck. It feels like an actual counter culture, or rebellion against the PC culture that dominates American colleges and the media industry.

Skeleton Tree's ranking is fucking embarrassing.

>>69634205
I have yet to listen to this album, but "Cranes in the Sky" is a really good song.

>>69634852
Yeah boy

>>69634870
wtf is the first song about? Is the second song about a nympho?

>>69634427
probably tylo be chillin

>>69634690
>0% hispanic
>US hispanic population is ~18%
why are spics so cucked

>>69634921
Name one good hispanic album released this year

>>69634814
really my dude? That's just untrue

>>69634793
First time I'm hearing this story, and yeah, it doesn't sound like she goes to too many concerts for old white people.

She wasn't yelled at for being black. She was yelled at for blocking the views of old people who just want to sit down and enjoy the damn band.

>>69634939
my post-Taco Bell shits are a superior piece of music to Coloring Book

I keep lowering my expectations for their list every year and they keep somehow going well under again and again. Next year I will just expect Pitchfork to physically come to my house and actually beat my ass so that I can be positively surprised with their best of 2017.

I see no lies. You're racist if you think differently

#1 is blackstar

like it just is

I know bowie is a fucking white male but it's okay to just admit it

wow, they didn't even bother with the token metal album this year

>>69634370
she did, and she also made a better record than Beyoncé

>>69634939
Carrie Rodriguez? I'm not particularly familiar with her ethnic background or anyone else on the album. A lot of these songs are in Spanish though and given her name I think its a fair assumption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxCAjEbQjiY

I think its possible that she's Latino but not hispanic

at least they didn't try to pretend that avalanches and james blake aren't completely forgotten

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>6. Chance the Rapper - Coloring Book
>5. Kanye West - The Life of Pablo

Can we just admit these albums are disappointing and 6/10s already?

>>69634985

also black women talk very loud.

>>69634921
We're too busy doing the jobs that the blacks won't do

>>69635023
>Blackstar lower than both bland and Lemonade
Top 3 should have been TLOP, Blackstar and A Seat At the Table in my humble opinion

>>69634205
Just like James 9.2 Murphy
It is now Frank #2 Ocean

>>69634205
Honestly this is a pretty quality list, way better than their top songs imo

>>69635041
Kanye West and Radiohead are to Pitchfork as Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan are to Rolling Stone. They're gonna show up in the top ten no matter what.

Can't comment on Chance.

i thought this album was boring as hell honestly

cranes in the sky is good, scales is good, the rest of it is just samey and slow and not very interesting, and all the skits to guilt me into feeling bad for being white don't help

>>69635004
I thought the album was pretty boring

Can you guys even imagine what their best of the decade list will look like? It will actually be worse than NME's.

>>69635079
that's a surprising opinion

>At the end of 2016, Lemonade appeared on a number of critics' lists ranking the year's top albums. According to Metacritic, it was the second most prominently ranked record of 2016.[75] Rolling Stone,[76] Billboard, [77] Entertainment Weekly,[78] Digital Spy, [79]The Independent,[80] Idolator,[81] Stereogum,[82] Complex[83] and Consequence of Sound[84] considered the album the best one of 2016. Paste,[85] USA Today[86] and NPR[87] also included the release on their list of best albums of 2016 at number 2. For Slant it was the third best,[88] while Exclaim! listed the album at number 4 on their list of the Top 20 Pop & Rock Albums of 2016.[89] For Spin, it was the 6th best album of 2016.[90] NME listed Lemonade at number 11 on their list of best albums of the year.[91] Esquire magazine included Lemonade among the 20 best releases of 2016.[92]

Is this album a meme or does it genuinely deserve all that praise?

>>69635041
Coloring Book is the one that gets me, I thought you were supposed to get laughed out of the studio if you tried to make sub-Express Yourself-ass "positive rap" and now people are pretending it's groundbreaking art

>>69635094

It absolutely doesn't deserve the massive praise it is getting, but it does deserve some.

>>69635087
I'm just not a fan of Bowie's style though
I am a fan of Low and Heroes but the rest of his stuff comes off as old power ballads to me
Its probably why i cant feel emotion for this record either

>>69635004
He turned his death into goddamn performance art
What did Solange do
They even put her over Beyoncé somehow

>>69634205
wen did pitchfork start sucking off the mainstream , literally bieber tier musicians.

1. black woman
2. black gay
3. black woman
4. dead
5. black
6. black
7. black
8. fat trans
9. woman
10. radiohead
not to mention the scores themselves apparently have no weight which makes no goddamn sense

Can someone clarify the Solange/Kraftwerk experience for me?

Wouldn't she actually be blocking the view of the people behind her if she got up and started dancing? That would make sense why people were annoyed...

>judging album by societal context instead of by quality of music

This is the cancer that is killing Pitchfork.

>>69635138

Yes. It was literally her fault. But she's a black woman and Beyonce's sister, so it was a borderline lynching.

>>69635138
This, does anyone have the full story?

>>69635143
It's killing their credibility but I doubt it's killing their popularity at all, and that's what matters at this point pre/post the conde nast acquisition.

>>69635077
one of the skits literally says that celebrating black people doesn't mean hating white people. Stop being so insecure

It's a boring album though. Her previous one is flawless

>>69635094

a bey album won't be allowed to be released if it was complete shit. she is also socially aware by singing and dancing about police brutality at a football game and something about all women being beautiful.

Frankie got #2 again, fuck cuckfork.

>Swans not even top 50

>>69635138
>>69635157
>And do you belong? I do.
The tone.

It’s the same one that says to your friend, “BOY…. go on over there and hand me my bag” at the airport, assuming he’s a porter.

It’s the same one that tells you, “m’am, go into that other line over there” when you are checking in at the airport at the first class counter before you even open up your mouth.

It’s the same one that yells and screams at you and your mother in your sleep when you’re on the train from Milan to Basel “give me your passport NOW.” You look around to see if anyone else is being requested this same thing only to see a kind Italian woman actually confront the agents on your behalf and ask why you are being treated this way.

It’s the same tone that the officer has when she tells you your neighborhood is blocked for residents only as you and your friends drive home from a Mardi Gras parade, when you have a residents tag on your car. You’ve been in the car line for 10 minutes and watched them let every one else pass without stopping them at all.

It usually does not include “please.” It does not include “will you.” It does not include “would you mind,” for you must not even be worth wasting their mouths forming these respectable words. Although, you usually see them used seconds before or after you.

You don’t feel that most of the people in these incidents do not like black people, but simply are a product of their white supremacy and are exercising it on you without caution, care, or thought.

Many times the tone just simply says, “I do not feel you belong here.”

>>69634523
Holy Shit

>>69635204
>be black
>something something oppression

BNM and top of P4kAOTY awards

>>69634724
I voted for Hillary and I absolutely guarantee you this list would've been entirely different if she'd won

>>69635208
>muh spooky church music

>>69634472
>implying a Kanye album covering spongebob songs wouldn't be one of the greatest albums of all time

>>69635216
Imagine.

Telling your son and his friend Rasheed about a band you love and one that played a pivotal role in the history of hip-hop. Something that as a family you all feel very connected to.

Imagine, although the kids are interested, they are still 11, unfamiliar, and would rather be spending their Friday night differently. You and your husband are always talking to your son about expansion and being open to other things and experiences, so you guys make the Kraftwerk concert a family Friday night.

You get there about 10 minutes late, but lucky for you, as soon as you walk to your box seats, the song that you just played for your son in the car is on! It’s a song his uncle sampled, ” The Hall of Mirrors.” You haven’t even sat down yet because you just walked to your seat and you’re so excited to dance to this DANCE MUSIC SONG.

Simultaneously, a much older black venue attendant comes over to your son and his friend and yells “No electronic cigarettes allowed, you need to stop doing that now!”

You are too into the groove and let your husband handle it and tell the attendant that the children are 11 years old, and it’s actually the two grown white men in front of you guys who were smoking them.

You are annoyed and feel it’s extremely problematic that someone would challenge their innocence, but determined to stay positive and your husband has handled this accordingly.

About 20 seconds later, you hear women yell aggressively, “Sit down now, you need to sit down right now” from the box behind you. You want to be considerate, however, they were not at all considerate with their tone, their choice of words, or the fact that you just walked in and seem to be enjoying yourself.

>>69635223
Better than fucking Rihanna.

>>69635208
P4k is poptimist now.

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"No"

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>James Leg - Blood on the Keys not listed

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>69634466
go listen to bisch bosh fag.
but you're right about frank though.

>>69635229
You are also confused as to what show you went to. This is a band that were pioneers of electronic and dance music. Surely the audience is going to expect you to dance at some point.

You were planning on sitting down after this song, as long as it wasn’t one of the four songs that you really connect with and plan on getting down to.

You feel something heavy hit you on the back of your shoulder, but consider that you are imagining things because well….certainly a stranger would not have the audacity.

Moments later, you feel something again, this time smaller, less heavy, and your son and his friend tell you those ladies just hit you with a lime.

You look down only to see the half eaten lime on the ground below you.

You inhale deeply. Your husband calmly asks the group of women did they just throw trash at you. One woman says, “I just want to make it clear, I was not the one who yelled those horrible, nasty, things at you.”

Loud enough for you to hear.

This leads you to believe they were saying things way worse than what you heard, but you are not surprised at that part one bit.

You’re full of passion and shock, so you share this story on Twitter, hands shaking, because you actually want these women to face accountability in some kind of way. You know that you cannot speak to them with out it escalating because they have no respect for you or your son, and this will only end badly for you and feel it’s not worth getting the police involved. So, you are hoping they will hear you this way.

>>69622222

>>69635242
You know when you share this that a part of the population is going to side with the women who threw trash at you. You know that they will come up with every excuse to remove that huge part of the incident and make this about you standing up at a concert “blocking someone’s view.”

You know that a lot of the media will not even mention the trash being thrown at you with your 11 year old son being present.

You feel that the headline would be “XYZ Goes To A Concert And Gets Trash Thrown At Them,” if it were some of your other non-black peers in the industry.

You constantly see the media having a hard time contextualizing black women and men as victims every day, even when it means losing their own lives.

You do not care in that moment because you understand that many of your followers will understand and have been through this same type of thing many a times, and if it means them hearing you say it’s ok, you will rise again through out these moments, then it means something bigger to you.

You realize that you never called these women racists, but people will continuously put those words in your mouth.

What you did indeed say is, “This is why many black people are uncomfortable being in predominately white spaces,” and you still stand true to that.

>>69635254
You and your friends have been called the N word, been approached as prostitutes, and have had your hair touched in a predominately white bar just around the corner from the same venue.

The statement you made makes headlines funny enough just days after it comes to light that Air China warns their flyers not to go into Indian, Pakastani, or Black neighborhoods in order to stay safe, while Texas schools are fighting to have textbooks calling Mexicans “lazy” removed from classrooms, and while Native Americans are doing everything they can possibly to to protect their sacred land from an oil pipeline being built on graves of their descendants. You know that people of colors’ “spaces” are attacked every single day, but many will not be able to see it that way.

This also comes during a time when the Housing Authority of New Orleans has declared a federal mandate plan to assist with helping to protect black neighborhoods, stating that “previously black neighborhoods on higher ground are now majority white or moving in that direction.” And not too long after an announcement is made that a former Klu Klux Klan leader is running for Louisiana senator. You also know where you live.

You are also fully aware, now that you use your platform consistently to speak out on social, racial, and feminist issues, that people who have no awareness of your work outside of gossip sites and magazines, some of which who are most likely voting for Donald Trump, have been starting to engage and/or target you in public and social media in regards to race.

(And yes, having white people constantly call you the n word, or say you and your people are degenerates that need to leave America, or zoo like animals, surely does not help you feel more comfortable in predominately white spaces)

>>69635138
It's contextual. She was at a concert for old white people. She started dancing. They yelled at her and threw a lime. She saw it as an attack on her race. There kinda is some credence to that thought, but it's inadvertent. They didn't attack her because she is black, but dancing at a Kraftwerk concert in 2016 definitely sounds like something a black person who doesn't go to concerts for old white people too often would do.

It's like she wants social spaces for old white people to change, which is absolutely silly.

holy shit I could have sworn Chance, Bowie, Frank or Beyonce would have gotten number one. How painfully obvious is it that they wanted to give Solange something over her sister?

Oh well. First time an aoty has gone to an album rated below a 9 since Silent Shout in 2006.

>>69635268
You read headlines that say, “Solange feels uncomfortable with white people,” and want to use the classic “I have many white friends” or “Half of my wedding guests were white” line to prove that you do not dislike white people but dislike the way that many white people are constantly making you feel. Yet you know no amount of explaining will get you through to this type of person in the first place.

You have lived a part of your life in predominately white spaces since you were a kid and even had your 3rd grade teacher tell you “what a nigger is” in front of your entire white class. You watched your parents trying to explain why this was wrong to her and learned then it can be virtuously impossible to get your point across.

After you think it all over, you know that the biggest payback you could have ever had (after, go figure, they then decided they wanted to stand up and dance to songs they liked) was dancing right in front of them with my hair swinging from left to right, my beautiful black son and husband, and our dear friend Rasheed jamming the hell out with the rhythm our ancestors blessed upon us saying….

We belong. We belong. We belong.

We built this.

http://saintheron.com/featured/and-do-you-belong-i-do/

>>69635125
The ranking for Radiohead was hilarious, because it was clearly "okay we have to put them in the top 10" but since they're white dudes, they take a backseat to every black person or woman (and one dead legend.)

Their highest rated album barely cracks their own top 10.

This is pitchfork's jump the shark moment.

>>69635143
Quality of music and very well be influenced by societal context for different individuals. It's silly to toss something aside for that reason.

If you are bothered by a music website that puts so much focus on societal context, I would suggest finding another one. And if you find that site, please forward it to me; I'd like to see what their AOTY is.

If Teens of Style was released in pre-2010, it could be in top 10.

>>69634690
>hip hop and R&B most relevant current genres
>mostly made by black people
>win awards
>/mu/ gets triggered anyways

for what purpose?

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>>69635293
>relevant current genre
What did you mean by this?

>>69635168
Yep. They are online Rolling Stone now, if it wasn't already clear at this point anyway.

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I've followed this website since 2010, almost 7 years of my life.

Almost every day I check their site around 10'o clock, just out of habit at this point. Even if I'm busy or not near a computer, when 10 comes around I think, "Oh hey, that's when pitchfork puts out reviews."

I know the scores of most of my favorite albums, of albums I hate, of all the big releases. I could name the top 10 of just about every year I've followed, and of decade lists they've done, all kinds of stuff. I always submit my list to the readers' poll, especially that big one they did of the 2000s.

The site has long since ceased to be good. I probably started to hate it somewhere in 2013/2014. But still I've kept this ritual.

Why? Why have I done this? Why waste any mental energy on this site which has clearly gone down the tubes entirely in quality, if they were ever actually good?

This is somewhat of a wakeup call, /mu/. How did I get to this point? I feel like I'm waking up from a long dream, like I slept through the last 7 years.

Surely I can't be alone in this. Anyone else know what I mean?

>>69635299
its what most "hip" young people are listening to

its were the most experimentaiton in popular music is happening

like is anyone suprised by this?

>>69635285

it's great that "societal context" is basically code for blacks and trannies complaining about whitey

>>69635280
What the hell is she on about, someone yelled at her to sit down cause she was blocking people's view and she suddenly thinks she's Rosa Parks. What a self important twit.

>>69635168

No one with anything resembling a brain has held any kind of credibility for anything they've said within the past 5 years or so. It's just fun to meme about them on here. If someone I knew actually took their lists seriously I would put no weight on any of their opinions on music.

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>>69635315
I've followed this website since 2010, almost 7 years of my life.

Almost every day I check their site around 10'o clock, just out of habit at this point. Even if I'm busy or not near a computer, when 10 comes around I think, "Oh hey, that's when pitchfork puts out reviews."

I know the scores of most of my favorite albums, of albums I hate, of all the big releases. I could name the top 10 of just about every year I've followed, and of decade lists they've done, all kinds of stuff. I always submit my list to the readers' poll, especially that big one they did of the 2000s.

The site has long since ceased to be good. I probably started to hate it somewhere in 2013/2014. But still I've kept this ritual.

Why? Why have I done this? Why waste any mental energy on this site which has clearly gone down the tubes entirely in quality, if they were ever actually good?

This is somewhat of a wakeup call, /mu/. How did I get to this point? I feel like I'm waking up from a long dream, like I slept through the last 7 years.

Surely I can't be alone in this. Anyone else know what I mean?

Crazy how less than ten years ago Pitchfork used to gargle on every indie rock bands' balls, attempting to break any new artist from Brooklyn. Fast forward to 2016 and they just sift through black Twitter, create a generic list appealing to the lowest common denominator and bam... retweets galore! You win Conde Nast.

>Savage is on the fucking list

Why do you guys care about p4k's opinions at all again?

>>69635315
im similar to you but for other sites/hobbies

glad you had this realization :)

>>69635285
www.loudandquiet.com

>>69635336

I've just been laughing at their lists for years now. They are reaching NME tier.

>>69635329
you couldn't play victim to music any harder if you tried

>>69635315
Not really 'cause you treated this shit too seriously. I enjoy Pitchfork. I started getting into music thanks to Pitchfork back in 2009 (when /mu/ and P4K were crazy for MPP). It's been fun following them these past eight years.

Have they changed? Most definitely, but it's been neat being there to witness the transition over time. And it's not just them, really. It's a noticeable cultural change within American society. P4K used to be counter-culture in a sense, but they realized that they could be at the forefront of culture and started riding that.

It's so tough to find counter-culture anymore.

>>69634205
>discussing this dumb cunt getting a lemon thrown at her for being a cunt as being some serious race-related incident of oppression

P4k should be nuked

>>69635334
Man, I miss old P4k. :(

Even if they were never great, they still covered a lot of shit I did end up liking a lot and put the spotlight on good stuff that other websites with their size would not; but now that they're A Condé Nast Publication, they are completely indistinguishable from any other big music website.

Sucks man. :/

>>69635348
There's definitely some laughworthy shit. Solange's album isn't even bad but her ideology is fucked and the skits were so cringe.

>NME

I legitimately teared up from laughter when I saw 1975 get no. 1

>>69634875
i'm in the same boat

>>69635359

what? i'm just talking about the reason p4k is shit, not claiming to be "victimized" by music. it's obvious their shitty political agendas have completely taken over.

>>69635372
Preach!

No lie, they used to break some decent, new artists that nobody has heard before. Even if I didn't exactly like them it was refreshing to see a site reporting on shit before everyone else did. It's sad that they're just a glorified pop leaning website now. What was the last artist they actually broke? Clap Your Hands Say Yeah?

>>69635315
Pasta or not, I've been reading since like...08, and I don't really know why I still do at this point myself.

Most of their writers site on fucking Twitter all day, copy pasta something off of TMZ or Billboard and collect a paycheck. What the fuck.

>>69635334
>>69635168
>conde nast
they were already well on their way downhill at that point though

>>69635369
>counter-culture
something alternative? something right? :^)

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>>69635103

>>69635372
sucked back then too
since 2005, really

>>69634352
I fucking love Frank Ocean "that much".

I also know quite a few people who love Solange "that much". They just don't spend their time shit posting on /mu/

>>69635393
barely any of these album could be called "complaining about whitey", maybe overwrought, or oversensitive, but thinking they are complaining about whitey is just straight victim playing

>>69635419
As someone who voted for Hilary Clinton and considers himself liberal, yeah, alt-right material (like stuff posted here) is very much counter-culture.

Unfortunately, "alt-right" is like a big blob and apparently sucks up anything far conservative rather than just referring to what it initially referred to which is White Nationalism.

>>69635454

brainwashed by (((the media))). very sad.

>>69635103
>I thought you were supposed to get laughed out of the studio if you tried to make sub-Express Yourself-ass "positive rap"
Why is that?

>>69635229
>attendant mistakes who the smoke is coming from
>this is somehow "problematic"

>dance and shit so that you block other people's view
>get told to stop
>get supremely butthurt over being told to follow the rules
>"it's the tone, it's so aggressive"

>>69635242
>who the fuck even dances at kraftwerk, especially their live performances?
>"i was planning to sit down after the song" just confirms that she knows she was breaking the rules and doesn't fucking care
>someone throws a lime piece at me because i'm acting like a complete retard
>this is somehow a shocking experience for me
>keeps mentioning her children when they have nothing to do with her acting like a total idiot

>>69635254
>tires to say that this is somehow about something larger
>how the fuck is this about anything else but someone being a spastic at a concert and being told to sit down?
>i'm a black woman, so i'm allowed to do this, because i'm a victim every day
>like seriously, what does this have to do with her being black?

>>69635268
>unrelated events mean this particular event is somehow worse

>>69635280
>while people cannot possibly understand me

>start dancing even more, just to make a point that i can be as much of a fucktard as i want
>(especially because i'm fucking rich and famous)

This is an incoherent mess that only makes her come off as supremely spoiled, easily upset and totally inconsiderate. It's the epitome of selfish ME ME ME thinking that only frames HER as the victim and focus

>>69635400
Probably, yep. I only started reading them when I was like a senior in HS, sometime in like...2008. At that point I wouldn't say they were breaking bands through regularly anymore, but they had a pretty large audience at that point, and the music that received the bulk of their coverage was still relatively "underground" opposed to what their peers wrote about. They are fully a pop music website that also happens to cover indie/alternative/underground music at this point, when they used to be completely the opposite.

I mean, they used to curate what they would even review pretty heavily. They wouldn't even review Beyoncé back in the day, I think the first album of hers that they even wrote up was within the past 5 years or so.

And I don't even really have a problem with that stuff with you like it, but damn, it's just kinda like....does this shit have to clog up my favorite website for music now too?

>>69635125
Frank is bi not gay.

>>69635417
That's why I said pre/post. I think they were trying to become more marketable even before the acquisition to increase their value.

>>69635466
senpai I get you I'm on your side but I still dig Frank

fuck solange & beyonce though, last time either were good was 2013

>>69635466
finally someone who realizes that this list of albums on an internet blog is probably the work of the almighty JEWS

>>69634205
>69634205
Are you shitting me
Are you fucking shitting me
I fucking predicted


Wtf I hate white people now

>>69635501

le "jews don't actually control the media" meme xD

>>69634430
>but then what's the context for TLOP and Blonde?
nothing, besides them being the actual best 2 albums of the year

Pretty happy with the list desu.

Would have preferred to see Frank at #1

>>69634853
White supremacy feels like a largely Leftist Gay subculture? I guess your hard on for that Milo guy makes sense.

>>69634205
>shit pop
>p4k

kys plebs

>>69634286
ALL OF THE DAY BRO

>>69635315
wow literally me

>>69635332
maybe get off mu/ while you're at it. i'm serious. get off the internet.

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>>69634814
>>69634975
No this is

>>69635865
10

>>69635420
wow what a terrible fucking review. who published this?

>>69635503
fuck off to your shit tier school montie.

I mean the list is trash and P4k does suck now

But holy shit at the number of triggered /pol/fucks swarming into this thread.

Go blow your dumb pizzagate believing brains out of your useless skulls and actually contribute something to the world for once.

>>69634939
Pocho Atzlan by Brujeria was probably good, but I've only heard a few songs of it.

>>69634853
But the thing is you only feel punk cuz you grew up in the neoliberal metropolitan bubble, in reality nether being a leftist nor being alt-right is actually counter culture at this point as both are fairly mainstream viewpoints (I'm a leftist who doesn't see them self as counter culture btw)

i'm pretty disappointed that they didn't integrate the experimental or electronic albums into 'top 50' albums. just ranking all the big releases is pretty chicken shit.

remember when ariel pink got the number 1 album? those were the days

>>69635023
Avalanches made an amazing album

>>69635921
why is it terrible?

>>69635921
christgau

>>69635999

>implying being pro-white in the face of K-12 + University indoctrination plus anti-whiteness in every single facet of the media isn't counter-culture

>>69634853
you must be a very interesting, thoughtful, empathic person.
faggot

>>69636006
I kinda feel like Before Today will end up being the last legit good AOTY

Midnight City or Round and Round for song

>>69635315
p4k shill is that you?

>>69636024
>>69636026

christgau is bomb, even if that opening line makes me retch.

>>69634352
I think so now as well
Nick Cave so high...

>>69636056
it's awkward, but the rest of the review is one example in music journalism that soundly justifies why the album is good.

do you all see yourselves caring about this list in 2026?

>50. 21 Savage/Metro Boomin
and we're done here

>>69636027
Kids still sing songs about Christopher Columbus and what a great man he was to help remember the names of his ships

>>69635280
Jesus christ they worship their own buttholes.

>>69636027
Also every facet of the media? Most every mainstream media source calls BLM thugs and says we need to give Donald Trump a chance and refers to the alt-right as hip, trendy and cool.

i hope this list moves more anons into reading Christgau's column every Friday, and his previous deans lists.

https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/deans15.php

>>69636036
totally, though i guess i'd have to go back through the timeline and look to the other albums.

i found pitchfork long i found /mu/, and they were pretty crucial in exposing me to broader, more varied music. maybe they were never good (and i could never tell because i had no other frame of reference), but this is just a sad reminder of passing youth.

>>69636036
Before today was not AOTY, MBDTF was

>>69636085
co-sign.

>>69635465
The point of the alt right is whites putting down there politics and uniting as a group.

>>69636138
No, fuck him, he's a pretentious shit and sucks just as bad as p4k, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

>>69635637
>Milo
>alt right
More like alt lite.

>>69636177
No it isn't you slobbering racist dumbshit

>>69636027
>implying
>wanting a consensual and open society is """(((indoctrination)))"""

you're a small hearted person, and a fag

>>69636137
>refers to the alt-right as hip, trendy and cool.
This is the biggest fucking lie I have ever read in the eight years I've been on this site.

>>69636186
>implying you're a better music writer than him
>implying his opinion, substantiated by over 16,000 album reviews throughout over 40 years, is inferior to yours

o i am laffin

>>69636204
Yes it is, I wouldn't expect you to know you stupid fucking shit.

>>69636216
>fag
Fuck off.

>>69636255
wrong neighborhood boy

>>69636186
you're an idiot, and instead of even trying to make insights, you conflate everything into "its different but just as bad"

you're the fucking worst. no one is like you. you are a singular faggot.

>>69636262
I could drop a bigot like you at 500 yards.

>>69636142
>they were pretty crucial in exposing me to broader, more varied music. maybe they were never good (and i could never tell because i had no other frame of reference), but this is just a sad reminder of passing youth.

This pretty much sums up how I feel. I have nostalgia for Pitchfork and I remember when I was a teenager taking their word as gospel a lot of the time, and I agree with what you said, I think I recognize that a lot of the stuff I liked because of them was as good as I thought, although a lot of it truly was, and they really were the gateway for me when I started actually caring about music and seeking it out to listen to "seriously" and all that.

And yeah, it does feel very much like a thing from my youth that is completely dead or at least unrecognizable from what it used to be - I don't think I would have gotten into music as heavily if I was starting to dig in to all of it if I was reading the Pitchfork of today.

But hey yknow, everything changes I suppose, and I had already stopped relying on them heavily as my primary source of discovering music years ago, so I guess the only thing to be sad about at this point is nostalgia.

>>69636223
>"IT'S NOT TRENDY" i tell the sjw as i go to youtube to watch my daily quota of feminist fail compilations with millions of views and 99% likes, then to my TR00 LIBERAL youtubers who do nothing but whine about sjws and feminists and have hundreds of thousands of subs with almost entirely positive responses to their videos, with comments that tend to express more radical ideas than the youtubers themselves

>>69636263
agree, the solipsism in this board is ridiculous. but o well that trait is inherent to autism

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>people actually liked pitchfork

>>69636231
He's been writing bullshit for a very long time, congratulations to him for the achievement

>>69636138
his web layout is absolutely beautiful. but how the fuck are these ranked

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>>69634205

Is this the lowest rating a No. 1 album has received from Pitchfork?

>>69636281
WEW, yeah you have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>69636314
do you also think white men are the most oppressed group in the world

>>69636310
Wasn't The Knife lower?

>>69636268
holy fuck i am laffin

>>69636297
what a substantial, smart, convincing argument anon!

>>69636298
lol. i think he has his own point system, and then he tallies it up around march every year. obviously these are mostly the albums he grades A-, A, or A+, however over the years a few honorable mentions and B+'s have sneaked into the lists.

>>69636274
yeah absolutely. well at least they won't get my shekel-clicks-- those are mu/s now.

>>69636281
YouTube keeps recommending those videos, and I have no idea why.

>>69636330
yes they actually are

>>69636368
b-b-but youtube have an sjw agenda!!!!

(also prolly because you watch those kind of youtubers)

>>69636364
ah. here.

"Postscript Notes:

P&J points come from Christgau's ballot, from late December 2015. The current list was subsequently revised, most recently in early April 2016."

>>69636386
I don't.

>>69634365
Hmm would have preferred it to be #1 or at least top 3, but after the Grammys fucking him over for even an album of the year nomination, this is still nice to see.

>>69636382
>thinks being called a sexist over the internet is oppression
imagine being this sensitive

>>69636399
literally nothing sexist about realizing men are superior in really every aspect to women

>>69636403
but it's reverse sexism when someone prefers women to men right :^)

>>69636403
This is the laziest fucking bait ever dude. You aren't even trying.

>>69636403
well some men. but you're obviously a little pathetic faggot; a resentful cretin, and you're making us look bad.

>>69636415
I mean, I got two instant (you)s, I'd say that's pretty good despite not trying

>>69635666

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>>69636450
damn has to have been at least five years since i pulled this picture out

>>69636450
Ehh I'd say one of them doesn't count if it's acknowledging the b8

>>69634853
the alt-right are just right-wing SJWs
prove me wrong, faggot

Kraftwerk fans confirmed absolute madmen

Why do all the right-of-centers on /mu/ have to be so terrible?

>>69636482
this is so lazy, and its fanciful that ((SJWs)) have taken the spot of the rhetorical boogeyman.

>oh man those fascists are so terrible, they're almost as bad as the women on tumblr who care about pronouns.

get off it.

No Kyle Craft in any of the lists?
Fuck this.

>>69636518
It's /pol/.

I don't know when this shit happened either

>>69634853
You missed the meme guys

>>69636521
the point i make with this though is the typical talking points of each group perfectly mirror one another

>>69636600
yeah i didn't read the context.
it was a good move.

>>69636459
You very much could make a convincing debate that men are better than women at most things

>>69636521
>I believe everything the TV tells me about a made up group of people, they want to demonize because it's people realizing they're getting fucked by the elites.

>>69636685
We can literally read your board, it's right over there you fucking dumbass.

>>69636702
>literally
literally kill yourself
you can read but not comprehend
are you a nigger by any chance?

jokes aside, how does that refute my argument? "alt-right", "nazi pepes", "pol", or however you wanna call it, is today's counter culture, the SJW crowd got to comfy in power and sparked a counter movement. They're the real fascists, repressive, regressive, oppressive bunch.

>>69634205
she even looks like a steven universe character

>>69636743
If people are actually stupid enough to believe this shit, we are truly fucked.

>>69636743
You both suck ass.

no they are not right

>>69636759
nah

>>69636540
Yeah, who knows what happened over the last year that /pol/ had a direct part in that is massive and would influence all boards. Hmm. I don't know.

>>69636764
you believe the russians hacked the election
>>69636773
you got that right about me

you have to remember that 80% of pitchfork is gross jewish nerds with receding hairlines

when walking back to their brooklyn flats they will hasten their step if a black person is behind them

journalism is their penance. since Jews can't say hail maries, they have to make up for it with lip service to negro musicians. the more crass and commercial this bongo music is, the better; art is too "white" after all

>>69636791
>left of centers don't even know about the election and they wonder why Trump won

>>69634690
Pitchfork actually reviewed less rap than rock this year, and gave rap albums on average a lower score
http://imgur.com/a/MNMwn

>>69636811
are you being an anti-semite outside of your containment board? MODS!!!!

>>69634787
(((who))) do you think is really behind that?

>>69634427
Honestly, I hope not

>>69634751
See, pitchfork has been a joke for a while now, that was a fucking terrible album

>>69636816
Hmmmm interesting

>>69634853
>all these replies not realising this is a copypasta
reddit confirmed

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poptimist SCUM

>>69634870
what was it ranked? I only looked at the top 10

solange is boring

>>69635533
but black people do

i don't like solange

>Save for the chunky “Don’t You Wait”, there’s little punch or pop charm to the album, which boasts a surfeit of luscious textures and feisty attitudes, but a shortfall of killer melodies.

>>69635143
AOTY lists have always been a just matter of what's currently trendy. This is nothing new or unique to pitchfork

>>69634205
They always are. amirite bois? I always am.

>>69635320
> experimentaiton in popular music is happening
>implying

Solange got AOTY. 'Don't touch my hair' Solange.

ugh

>>69635464
Not him, but complaining about how hard being a rich black person is makes you look like a hypocritical retard, yet p4k praises kanye beyonce selonge etc because it makes them look """""socially conscious""""

Wow, Pitchfork actually pulled an E D G Y. There is no way they think it's a better album.

>>69635293
>>69635320
Fucking this. I mean, I don't really like or listen to much hip hop, but it's at least it's more interesting than the indie pop that used to be top in their lists (Vampire Weekend, Grizzly Bear, Bon Iver)

>>69636837
>Le Jews control everything

So dumb and silly

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>>69634205

>>69637013

>ugh

ayo sup babe u wan sum fukkk

>>69636743
But the alt right literally want a to pass oppressive laws

Both the left and the right and anything in between is capable of oppressive behavior, you don't get to excuse yourself from that because of your ideology alone. "They're the real oppressive ones!" Get over yourself.

>>69634433
>A WHITE MALE
>getting first place
LEL, wake up anon its almost 2017!

>>69636223
Are you kidding? I guess you probably ignore all liberal media but a lot of liberal media refers to the alt right as cool.

>>69637098
Name some.

>>69636330
Listing GG as alt-right remains one of the stupidest things leftists have done and one of the first stones laid on the path to their eventual loss of the election.

>>69637017
Of course, because it's trendy to hate whites now. "Look at us in our ivory tower, we can invoke sociological definitions to defend our racism now."

>>69636853
When do you think the decline started?

>>69637246
Not OP, but I would say directly after MBDTF's 10/10

I did not give a listen to any track of any album of this shitty list. I feel proud

>>69637273
You shouldn't

>>69637273
wow you sound really cool, congratulations on not listening to most relevant albums this year

I have to say I'm slightly pleasantly surprised that this wasn't a totally predictable #1, Solange was definitely going to be top 10 but I wouldn't have thought top 5 or even #1, Still though I predicted 23 of their top 25, so Pitchfork is still the most bland and predictable shit in the world.

>>69637246
When Chris Ott left.

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>>69637359
Like what I predicted versus what actually happened. Only surprise is no Wildflower on the entire top 50. Just odd.

>>69634352
Frank Ocean is legit one of the best song/album writers of this generation.

>>69637418
then i suppose the art of songwriting isn't exactly in rude health

>>69637349
>implying """""#relevant""""" music has any semblance of quality

Here's your (you)

>>69637418
Channel Orange was great, Blonde was wank shit that needed more drums behind it

>>69634205
>http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9980-the-50-best-albums-of-2016

>open it
>21 savage
>close it

>>69637057
wow an eloquent post on 4chan im shocked

>>69637492
Blonde is better than Channel Orange, more drums would destroy it.

>>69637580
Nah

I'm 99% sure Avalanches and Death Grips weren't in the list for snubbing their show.

>>69634205
Is the album as First World Problem-y as the blurb makes it sound?

>>69635004
overrated shit

>>69634375
Pitchfork is heading for a meme singularity. They will collapse under their own meme weight soon.

>>69634430
>And she just bleached her asshole
What social commentary!

>>69634787
Weren't the blacks all up in arms about that a few years ago?

now where the FUCK is Atrocity Exhibition
is DB not black enough?

>>69638486
It's not about muh blackness so they don't care. Plus AE was influenced by post punk, that shit was made by cis males, that has no place on their list

>Skeleton Tree not even in the top 10
>No autechre
>No DEP
>No Avalanches
>No Xiu Xiu
>No Denzel Curry (???)

why do people still bother with this meme? P4k are playing identity politics
their meme is now complete

is the black meme ever going to end