Drum samples in metal

>be me 2 years ago
>"metal made by computer or drum machine would be awesome"
>after searching finds celdweller
>some good metal/trance songs,mostly corny bs with boring riffs
>hopes a new saviour of electro+metal will arise

>>69488661
Electronic metal should never exist

>>69488752
>>69488661
>>69488223
The synths utilized by bands like Gojira and Cult of Luna I think, contribute greatly to the music they make. Electro-acoustic manipulation is better for the time being, I think, but eventually electronic synthesis will carve a solid place in extreme metal. It's on the fringes right now.

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>>69488798
If electonica finds a place in metal I would an hero in a heart beat.
A world where metal uses drum machines instead of drummers isn't one I want to live in

>>69488854
I agree completely with this. Sure, use a drum machine for some splittercore shit if you want to. I encourage influence from unusual genres. But you don't deserve to play metal if your drummer can't achieve the accuracy and speed necessary to play it live.

>>69488910
As a drummer myself a listen to drummers and I love when they can play it and metal is a genre all about feeling through what you play. No drum machine can ever play with the emotion a real drummer that has taken the time to understand his instrument can.

>>69489008
Again, I agree, though I do think that in the far future technology will become advanced enough to convey emotion in this way.

>>69488223
It very rarely works out well. I'm not sure if everyone is into the same thing but I'm into shitty metal in the same way people are into lo-fi rock. In those cases I love drum machines in metal. That's not a very good argument for it though since I'm literally saying they sound bad.

>>69489036
Are you saying you like drum machines in raw black metal? If so I didn't know that was a thing and that seems very un-trve

>>69489021
I hope it never does. If it does it just ultimately shows how unappreciated a musician is by their fans

lol, half the drums on most of the records you like have had samples layered in or had entire things like snares replaced.

>>69489173
This is metal not all music we're talking about here

>>69489185
lol, go away you poseur

>>69489221
>>69489185
>>69489173
Plenty of the more mainstream albums do this, but there are subgenres of metal dedicated to recording shit in one take to cassettes in a dude's garage. Common enough in grindcore (and the other grind genres), black & death metal (mostly old-school shit), and some avant-garde shit

>>69489123
If that's a thing then I don't know if it either. I was talking more along the lines of goregrind or coprogrind. Half of those bands are just a couple of guys that know how to play 3 rifts and how to chain distortion pedals.

>>69489221
>calls someone poser for saying drum machines have no place in metal
What's next calling someone a poser for listening to the discography of the band on the shirt they're wearing?

>>69489185
Ha poser I bet you've actually listened to a full slayer album.

>>69488223
drum machines are essential for industrial black metal

>>69489624
Industrial metal is shit and always will be industrial metal is excluded from the conversation because it's not real metal

>>69489656
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>>>/pol/
go to /pol/ with your logical fallacies

>>69489687
>logic unwelcomed
>metal thread

>>69489790
>logical fallacies unwelcomed = logic unwelcomed

>>69489656
let me guess, you're wearing a slayer shirt?

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>>69489578
>wearing a band shirt

>>69489838
Nope johnny cash if you must know

Drum samples are fine.
Guitar and bass synths are not.

>>69489008
Drummer here too, don't really like any kind of metal but I have huge respect for the drummers.

The technical skill required is up there with even the most complex big band/swing and jazz music. I hope drum machines stick to electronica.

This is idiotic though. Music isn't about conforming to some same vague sense of autistic authenticity. It's an art, and any musician who decides he doesn't want to take advantage of the ability to manipulate and synthesise any sound imaginable because "muh real instruments" has his priorities fucked up. Nonsensical and immature arguments such as this are the reason people say metal is for children.

I'm okay wit it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRBzk8YRdmU

>>69488223
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>>69490159
The argument is that drum machines cannot accurately replicate a live performance from a human drummer. As >>69488910 says, it's fine to utilize it for some interesting sounds you want to create

You guys do realize that Grindcore has been doing this forever right?

>>69490159
it's also a performance art

>>69490204
Certain grindcore bands, yes. Others adamantly oppose it

>>69490244
doesn't mean much unless a band's main focus is performing, and even then, it's not difficult to adapt

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>>69488223
I quite like Anaal Nathrakh and Agoraphobic Nosebleed. They make good use of superhuman-tier drum patterns imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYWFUsonQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQu-Cmjeerk

>>69490194
>The argument is that drum machines cannot accurately replicate a live performance from a human drummer.

This is changing very fast. I'm sure at this point you've already heard a band that programs drums on their studio releases instead of live recording, it's getting increasingly harder to tell. One top of that you can use a drum machine to fine tune each and every nuance of a beat to perfection plus the fact that you aren't limited by your traditional drum ensemble in terms of sound.

This thread reminds me of highschool. That's the kind of discussions (yelling at each other and calling each other faggots) we had.

Made me think of The Berzerker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqjt-0N-1rs

Posting for nostalgia value

>>69490363
This has already been addressed >>69489021

>>69490278
>doesn't mean much unless a band's main focus is performing

not necessarily

music is pure expression. sure you can achieve this by sitting at a computer for hundreds of hours programming too, but you can't invalidate dudes who just pick up instruments and let creativity flow for "not taking advantage of digital manipulation".

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>>69490278
I figure Cybergrind is a pretty sizeable scene and Porno/Goregrind is oversaturated with it at this point. Also reccing Catasexual Urge Motivation.

>>69490471
I'm not invalidating them. I agree that is is incredible how much talent and creativity live musicians have. I'm saying you shouldn't invalidate electronic musicians who are also incredibly talented and creative.

>>69490375
>This thread reminds me of highschool.
it's a metal thread.

>>69490505
Yeah, lots of anger for a lot of young dudes during that time. But anger is still present in adulthood sometimes. I still listen to metal from times to times but it's less frequent as my outlook on life changes too. I mean, everybody old enough knows that. Aside from those still stuck in metal. There's so much more guys.

>>69490587
Personally, I started listening to metal in middle school (SOAD and Slipknot, of course), then by high school I was listening to Napalm Death and Cattle Decap. So now metal is just sort of my go to genre, regardless of mood. I still listen to a wide variety of other stuff but metal is still 70% of what I listen to. I have the feeling that a lot of people are like that too, you grew up with it so it's just what you're use too.

If I want to relax, I'll listen to Electric Wizard. If I want something fun/club-y, I'll listen to too WeButterTheBreadWithButter (I feel your judgement and I reject it). If I want to get energized, I'll listen to Nails. Anger doesn't really have much to do with it anymore.