Heroes>>>Low How is this even a debate?

>>69228548
Clarify why you think that please.

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The album that has Secret Life of Arabia is the worse one

Fact

>>69228548
Because Heroes has several songs which aren't that great and Low doesn't have any that are bad, just ones different people like more.

Also Low has a much stronger atmosphere that heroes mostly lacks, despite Fripp's guitar work.
Heroes has The Secret Life of Arabia, let's put it that way.

>>69228548
You are wrong.

>>69228574
>>69228580
You guys dissing that track?

That was the best on the album, did I miss something?

Lodger is better than both.

>>69228548
Other Bowie albums > Heroes and Low
why don't any of you talk about any of his other 30 fucking albums? don't say "because heroes and low are better", they're not

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Changes is his best work

>>69228611
I talk about Diamond Dogs all the time on here.

And I'd LOVE to talk about any of his others with you. :)

What are some of your favorites?

>>69228611
I'd love to talk about great albums like Scary Monsters, Station to Station, Outside & Man Who Sold the World

But the majority of plebs here only know his Berlin trilogy because /mu/core

>>69228619
Ever noticed how much he looks like that guy from Labyrinth?

>>69228611
We do all the time, he has a shitload of albums. His Berlin trilogy is his most unique and experimental so it appeals more to the indie fans on /mu/. His generic dadrock is great too but there aren't many 50+ year olds here.

>>69228650
(Oh cmon I just said I'd love to talk about them I'm not an average Joey

Station, Scary Monsters, and MWSTW are all fantastic.

Outside has strongpoints but definitely has a lot of filler too.

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>>69228694
>his most unique and experimental
>Berlin trilogy

I love Bowie more than any other musician and I will VERY gladly talk about any album of his.
Any.

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>>69228694
>His Berlin trilogy is his most unique and experimental
except that everything he did in the 90s is more far more experimental than the berlin trilogy

They're both legendary, but being honest Heroes' instrumentals aren't all that great. V-2 Schneider is dumb, Sense of Doubt is decent, Moss Garden is cool, Neukoln is kind of humdrum. On the other hand, Low's are all amazing and evocative, except that Weeping Wall is maybe a bit repetitive.

And as for the vocal songs, Heroes -maybe- has the edge due to more complex songwriting and virtuosity, but Low's have way more personality.

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>>69228726
*jumps toward you*

>>69228711
>His NIN-wannabe album
>More unique than Berlin Trilogy.

LOLno.

>>69228703
The original Outside album was butchered by Columbia because it was multi-disc and weird as fuck

Wish more was leaked though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06wXwgGpO9c

>>69228747
First 2 tracks are great. Everything else is Bowie doing god damn sitcom themes.

Next.
(Probably gonna make a chart of my favorite to least Bowie's)

>>69228548
They're pretty even. I'd probably put Heroes higher but not by any significant amount.

>>69228574
>>69228580
>Secret Life of Arabia
>bad
Oh dear

>>69228611
They are much better.

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Here's my personal taste I hope you all like it feel free to ask questions. Would love to see other charts <3.

Anyone else wish Sakamoto collaborated with Bowie instead of David Sylvian on this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1YkHJJi-tc

>>69228650
No, it's just /mu/ has mixxed feelings on Bowie. There's a good number of Bowie fans on here, they just come out of the cracks.

>>69228839
It is one of the worst closers I know of dude.

>>69228749
That's not even his NIN wannabe album.

>>69228747
>Called Never Let Me Down
>Lets us down because it's actually his worst album.

>>69228901
Why is your taste so bad?

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>>69228749
You literally picked the wrong album to call his NIN-wannabe

>>69228901
>ziggy that low
>below Heathen and White Tie, AND Space Oddity
I only ask you how.

Station to station, the next day, and blackstar are my favorites by him. I also really enjoy all the stuff he did involving Mott the hoople

>>69228931
I've always had mixed reactions on my chart. Can't really answer why my tastes are 'bad' for ya. Sorry.

(Keep in mind I LOVE all the albums save for the last 3 or 4)

>>69228946
Not him, but Ziggy's a bit corny

Aladdin Sane perfected what Ziggy started

>>69228946
It was REALLY hard to choose what order they go in.

Truth be told the first 14 albums are all 10/10.

It's just that certain musical aspects on those albums appealed to me more

(Space Oddity with the orchestras and mellotron, Heathen with the distorted guitars and experimenting, Black Tie with it's drum machines and brass sections)

But I STILL love Ziggy save for one track.

>>69228901
Your bottom row is spot on, but everything else is a mess

>>69229006
Like I said, man. It's all personal taste for me. I understand the criticism I get and I completely respect you disagreeing with me.

But only the last row are 7 or below. They're pretty much all fantastic albums.

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>mfw I'm the only person who seems to like 'hours...'

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>>69228966
Alladin Sane was just Ziggy trying to be a Punk album. I will admit some of the songs hit the tier of Ziggy, like Alladin Sane, Lady of the Grinning Soul... BUT
"The Prettiest Star" and the Stones cover pretty much kill the concept before he tries to resurrect it with 2 of the best tracks on the album around the end.
It's impossible to deny those two tracks aren't filler.

Ziggy didn't have a single filler track unless you are focusing solely on singles. Every single track contributes to the concept, mood of the album or the motivations of the characters in some way, even when they are repeating things we already know it still fills an entertaining track and even the "worst" tracks on Ziggy would be some of the best tracks on any other Ziggy album.

Even a track like "Star" everyone usually forgets, still expands on the setting of the album, and explains either how Ziggy got to where he was or the thoughts of people who were inspired to become rockers because of Ziggy.

That's why Ziggy is perfect. Name me a single track I can't defend.

>>69229102
I just haven't gotten around too it. I am scared to be disappointed by Bowie, like I was slightly by Diamond Dogs.

>>69229129
It Ain't Easy.

>>69229150
It's one of those albums you need to be in the right mood to fully enjoy; if you go in expecting a pop or glam album, or something like Low, you're going to be disappointed

Hours is his top album for me lyrically

>>69229129
It Ain't Easy has always seemed like filler that should have been swapped with Velvet Goldmore

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>>69229182
whoops, meant Velvet Goldmine

I like it ain't easy

>>69229035
space oddity, tonight, and everything in the last row is 5/10 or lower

>>69229275
sorry, black tie white noise is shit too

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>>69228901
Hi you

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>>69229275
>Space Oddity
>A 5
Ok...the rest...I can understand

S.O. I'd like a little explanation as to why you think it's only a 5, por favor.

>>69229254
>Liking it ain't easy

>>69229293
IT'S PRISMA!!

Hey Prisma! Long time no see! Good to see ya!

Also I....Don't think Club Bowie counts, does it? It's throwin me off a bit.

>>69229293
lmao whats the point of a chart if you're just gonna include all of his albums

>>69229292
BTWN is an underappreciated gem

https://youtu.be/eL03lUj89oY

>>69229347
It's favourite to least favourite, that's why

>>69228952
It blows me away that he wrote All The Young Dudes for Mott the Hoople just to save them from breaking up from poor sales. Bowie's version is pretty badass itself, to give away a song like that and not even ask for anything in return makes him an incredible cool guy.

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>>69229174
It Ain't Easy is a solid track that sells the atmosphere of ziggy reaching the city to me really. It's also foreshadowing how easy it is to get help while on a downward slide in stardom, groupies etc. which the album comes back to on Hang Onto Yourself when ziggy is starting to fall apart. It's got this strange mystic quality to it, like the "On the Rooftops of London..." bit from Marry Poppins which implies so much more unexplained about what's going in the background.
https://youtu.be/t-7uqRxkKg8?t=1m35s
(Sorry, this video is the only one I can find as most cut this part, I guess because it makes the kids think too much about what the sweepers might be)

>>69229254
I do too, honestly.

>>69229304
I like Space Oddity alright too, and it's less forgettable than most people will say, but that won't stop you from forgetting a lot of tracks. Cygnet Committe is on the tier of the best tracks from Man Who Sold the World.
Also I love Bowie to death, but I will never forgive Space Oddity era bowie for taking Comus off his tour roster because people found them more interesting than him, ruining their sole chance to get real attention.
Never.

>>69229349
>BTWN is an underappreciated gem
This man is a smart man and you all need to listen to him right now.

>>69229366
reading that left to right, if that's your favorite to least fav you have shit taste. I fuckin love david bowie but even I know he had a few duds

>>69229380
Good defense for It Ain't Easy, I'll admit.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with the S.O. evaluation though. I remember those tracks like the back of my hand.

Don't know much about the Comus situation. Who's Comus?

>>69229432
Cmon, man. Don't be rude. We all have very different taste in Bowie. We can respectfully disagree can't we?

I mean my taste doesn't match with his at all and I love the guy. He even gave me a nickname.

>>69229432
He really doesn't have many duds, most of his music is just preference. Everything he makes can't please everyone.

>>69228548
Station to Station > Low & Heroes

How is this even debateable???

>>69229516
you really think that the Labyrinth soundtrack is better than ziggy stardust or low?

>>69229516
Outside of Loving the Alien, Tonight's a pile of shit compared to the rest of Bowie's works though; I'd listen to Never Let Me Down all day rather than spin all of Tonight once

>>69229575
...Jesus....

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>>69229443
Comus only put out one "real" album, and they pretty much invented an entire terrifying subsection of acid folk which is tragically unexplored.
They were a solely acoustic experimental folk group, heavily influenced by The Velvet Underground who played frequently at Bowie's club and apparently Bowie had a fascination with them and would just watch them play sometimes.
They had one amazing album "First Utterance" and anything since was nothing even remotely similar pr as good, even once they regrouped almost 40 years later.

They are one of the best examples of unexplored potential due to a lack of success I know of, and I actually love to an extent that rivals Bowie.

First Utterance is one of the most manic, scary and well composed albums I have ever heard. Know it sounds nothing like Bowie, and you might not totally understand what is going on the first listen.
Reading lyrics for the first track help if you have trouble, but it's dark ride of an album that if you are like me, once you have listened to it enough that you aren't as scared, it still fucking jams.
There isn't a wasted second in Drip Drip, and EVERY time the tempo picks up, the tension rises.

>>69229566
Yes

>>69229575
Tonight's only real crime was that it was rushed so Bowie could market off of the hype Let's Dance built for him. It's a fun album, I love it.

>>69229594
It takes a very strong will or a very pleb mind to sit through the second half of Tonight without cringing

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>>69229602
"i'll be gentle... I'll be gentle... I'll be gentle...
I'LL BE GENTLE, I'LL BE GENTLE, I'LL BE GENTLE!!!!!!"

>>69229622
Guess I'm a pleb then.
The only track I slightly cringed at was "Tumble and Twirl"

There's plenty of tracks I loved on the album (Loving the Alien, Don't Look Down, Neighborhood Threat, Blue Jean of course)

Reggae Bowie is underrated.

>>69229613
you're a madman

If you enjoyed Lets Dance more than Man Who Sold the World, get off my board.

>>69229647
:P

>>69229643
I'd say its biggest fault is digging back several years to the tracks done with Iggy to create an album out of Tonight & Neighborhood Threat

I do love Absolute Beginners though, from that era

>>69229129
>Punk
>>69229643
>Reggae

what the fuck is going on here lads

Subterranean is his strongest album closer. Those final moments are enough to literally save the second half of that album. But there's not one track between Sound and Vision and Subterranean that feels as fully realized. It's all fragments and moods.

Heroes wins for me cause it had strong fully developed songs that were integrated within the soundscapes, which themselves were more detailed and confidently executed. Plus you can literally hear how fucking german it is

>>69229678
Everything he made between 86 and 91, I'll agree, it was terrible.

Dancing in the Street, Never Let Me Down, Fucking Tin Machine,....

Ugh...

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>>69229690
He's talking the dub influences in Tonight, especially apparent in the singles which actually have dub remixes

I can't mix punk with Aladdin Sane though

>>69229690
It is reggae though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAaJT6Lc68
You can't honestly tell me this doesn't have a reggae sound.

>>69229443
>>69229443
As for the Comus/Bowie Connection, it's not much more than I said "The band grew from the early folk duo to the six piece ensemble that David Bowie came to appreciate. They appeared regularly at his Arts Lab project in Beckenham, Kent. He also invited them as support act for a 1969 concert at London's Purcell Rooms.[1]"

The Song to Comus compilation booklet talks more about this, and he was a real fan of the band during their hayday, it's just that apparently they went down better at one of the shows they supported him at than he did, and right before he started a tour with them as his support band, he dropped them in favor of some other, simpler folk band.

>>69229775
>>69229443
Like seriously, I want a Narduwar interview to exist with Bowie where he whips out a copy of First Utterance, because I really want to know if he even remembers them.

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>>69229443
Actually... while I've been going on about them so far... this is far fetched as fuck but notice how after Space Oddity, his songs got a slight darker, more supernatural tint at times? Hunky Dory and Man Who Sold the World in particular?
That might have been a Comus Influence.

>>69229380
>I will never forgive Space Oddity era bowie for taking Comus off his tour roster because people found them more interesting than him

Didn't even know he did that. Kiss did the exact same thing to Angel

>>69229735
Glass Spider tour has its great moments and tracks though, can really appreciate what Bowie & Frampton did with the classics

https://youtu.be/A6dN57MNLqg

>>69229797
Have a link to any of their songs?

>>69229829
>Hunky Dory
>Darker

....I'm sorry man I don't see it.
MWSTW and Ziggy I can see being 'darker'
Not that one, though.

>>69229859
Maybe he's talking the spooky chorus outro for Bewlay Brothers

>>69229879
Okay yeah THAT I can see, somewhat.

But musically (not always lyrically) the album was pretty lighthearted.

Just nice orchestral strings and pianos (and guitars, of course) .

>>69229907
Can't really call an album containing Kooks dark either

>>69229914
That song always puts a smile on my face it's so sweet.

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>>69229837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFmqHiHMC1Q
Here's the album, but if you want links to individual songs (which are gonna be from this album anyways...)
Diana, Drip Drip, The Bite and Song to Comus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aEpyhx_c7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icGTBLeBXnE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33OOYHFGUoM

Diana is odd because it is both really hard to tell what's going on and rather odd on the first listen, but also the perfect song to show what Comus is all about.

>>69229859
>Quicksand
>Bewlay Brothers
>Hey You Pretty thing with the hand reaching out of the sky
>not dark

I'm not saying it's a direct, obvious reference or more than just a thing of lyrical tone but it's possible.

>>69229879
Everything past the mid point of Bewlay Brothers is spooky.

>>69229914
Quicksand is put right after Kooks just to cancel it out. The stranger, occult-esq themes came out more in Man Who Sold the World.

>>69229959
>Hey You Pretty thing
.......Nono. Don't do that.

But anyway, I was talking mostly composition wise. Music-wise is was lighter and glossier than MWSTW, but there were some dark lyrics.

Listening to the song now.

>>69229995
Hey You Pretty Thing is definitely a dark song, despite the chorus.
No song with "All the nightmares came today
And it looks as though they're
here to stay" is going to be a happy song, regardless of the chorus.

>>69230022
I meant more the fact you're C A L L I N G I T T H E W R O N G N A M E.

Also: What the hell am I listening to?

>>69230068
I-I haven't sat down to listen to Hunky Dory in a long time.

Honestly, that song took me a few listens too. The later songs aren't nearly as out there with the vocals.

>>69230022
Bowie studied the occult for years, and it played into some of his songs; it shows up now and then in his albums, but you'd need to really look into the lyrics to find the messaging

>>69230096
2Trippy4Me.
Can't handle it. I'm not cool enough.

(Or high)

>>69230162
Come back to it later on.
Being high would probably just scare the shit out of you.

I'd recommend Drip, Drip which has cleaner vocals but I'm not sure you are ready for that, and I'd rather not spoil what that song is about. That's one of those little mysteries that learning the answer really "made" that first listen all the way through album for me.

https://youtu.be/C_HQ2PPWf6w

I'd have loved seeing more of this side of Bowie

>>69230321
This is fun.

>>69229349
I agree.

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>>69228619
You're my favorite kind of poster

>"Well, David, what shall I do? They wait for me in the hallway"
>I'll say "Don't ask me, I don't know any hallways"

What did he mean by this?