will we ever get another era that is dominated by indie/rock music?

>>69125965
no which is why I wish people would start accepting Grimes as the new path to enlightenment

No, the days of 1957-1958 are long gone.

>>69125965

Has there ever been an era like that?

>>69126052
yes, 1954-2012

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>>69126416
>indie
>54-12

Nope because every kid is like you waiting on some band to start making good indie music again.
like I tell every other kid. if you want indie to take over again start your own band.

>>69126593
and to clarify on this
all the talented indie kids are either trying to become pop writers/producers for big name acts or have fucked off to making electronic music
rest is just a bunch of untalented rich kids making shitty lofi rock,shoegaze or trying to join the burger records/captured tracks squad and be a slight variant of wavves/mac demarco

Alex g and maybe carseat headrest is the best you got atm.

Probably, won't happen from people trying to copy what already exists though.

Rock was a dead end genre that peaked with Buddy Holly and Bo Diddley and has been on a decline ever since. It's a dead-end genre, a waste of time that cares less about musical expression and more about macho posturing. Nobody fan of rock actually cares about the music. They care about the narrative, the mythology and finding new hyperbole to describe their martyrs. That it's finally on the decline is worth celebrating. Who knows? Maybe we can stop pretending Jim Morrison and Kurt Cobain were anything more than mediocre musicians with good marketing.

Fugazi were pretty good, though.

>>69127937
This is pretty ignorant man

>>69125965
Let's hope not.

>>69128035
Go on

>>69128071
There are a ton of rock artists that are not about dick waving macho man shit. Rock is an enormous genre that expresses a huge range of ideas and themes. To claim that all rock from the 60s on is soulless commercial music for meatheads is plain ignorant.

>>69128145
I listenes to your fucking Velvet Underground & Nico, I listened to your fucking Doc at the Radar Station and I even tolerated In the Court of the Crimson King. What more do you want from me? And don't even mention Unwound and Slint if you want to be taken seriously.

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>>69127937
Pretty much this. Most people copy the sounds from previous popular bands and don't improvise on them. It all sounding the same is the result.

I hope something new comes along because I'm honestly tired of hearing annoying nigger hip hop music everywhere.

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Sure, this was surely a sign of it coming.

>>69128169
I feel like any artists I mention you're just going to shoot down one by one. It doesn't seem like you're very open to the possibility of good rock.

All that /mu/core you listed just makes me wonder wtf you're doing. Genres aren't ranked by how good their meme albums are.

>>69128288
I can promise to try to be open minded.

Except for Unwound and Slint because I really really really don't fucking get the appeal.

>>69126646
I can't handle the amount of truth in this post. Someone get this anon a medal.

But wait there's also math rock and emo.

>>69128242
>being this mad he'll never be a black Beatle

Kek

>>69128295
Most of the music I listen to that could be considered rock is between the late 70s and about 2010.

Some of my most listened to rock albums are by Pixies, Siouxsie And the Banshees, Talking Heads, The Flaming Lips, Weezer, The Strokes, The Cure, Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, The Cribs, Cut Copy, Modest Mouse, Violent Femmes

The thing about rock is that it doesn't have to be a "artistic masterpiece revolutionary pivotal album" type thing. Just don't think to hard.

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>>69128316
Even based Paul approves. Is there any reason not to like Black Beatles?

>>69127937

>peaked with Buddy Holly and Bo Diddley

Literally le wrong generation.

>>69128417
>Pixies
They're pretty good. Only listened to Doolittle, though. Here Comes Your Man has a sort of 60s pop vibe to it that I get into.
>Siouxsie and the Banshess
Haven't listened to
>Talking Heads
Only listened to Remain in Light which felt closer to funk and disco than rock, to me.
>The Flaming Lips
Again, I dunno if I'd call the one album of theirs I listened to rock. It was sort of baroque-pop-ish with psychedelic pop aspects.
>Weezer
Haven't listened to
>The Strokes
Haven't listened to
>The Cure
Haven't listened to
>Bauhaus
Haven't listened to
>Cocteau Twins
Haven't listened to
>The Cribs
Never heard of
>Cut Copy
I listened to their last two albums. The 2011 one, whose name eludes me, was closer to dance pop. Had sort of a new romantic meets balaeric beat vibe to it. I mean if these guys are rock I might have to reconsider. When I think "rock" I think of AC/DC and Zeppelin and King Crimson
>Modest Mouse
Really really can't stand, despite my best efforts.
>Violent Femmes
I listened to Kiss Off once about a year ago and remember nothing about it. I guess this counts as a "Haven't listened to"

>>69128444
When it comes to rock, sure. Other genres are doing well for themselves right now, though.

>>69126553
it's rock (54-89) indie (90-12)

On this note can I get a rec for contemporary indie/rock related music? I'm mostly a fan of 90s alt and the Strokes

Rock in Opposition revival when?

>>69128632
when rock stops being made by some rich kids faggots with no ideas

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>>69128542
>indie (90-12)

>>69128656

I'm not a rich faggot and I'm bitter enough to make anti-cap music. I should get on it.

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Why am I not hearing anything about Incubus? I feel as if their music is the direction rock should go. If the genre doesn't want to die out, it must keep being updated. The use of synths and digital sounds in general are becoming the future. If they are used tastefully with instruments, they create a whole new, modern timbre that sounds just fantastic. Even their newer stuff sounds quite progressive, and they have been around for like 20 years.

>>69128739
>it must keep being updated
That is totally incompatible with the current values of rock music. Rock now places a higher value on traditionalism and "respect" than remaining an artistically viable form of music. Using electronic instrumentation is blasphemous.

>>69128769
You forgot alt rock. Its basically where rock evolved to keep up... sometimes poorly

Theres nothing wrong with synth free 3-4 piece rock bands. Theyre not big now, doesnt mean the genre wont resurge in one form or another

>>69128799
The term "alternative rock" is utterly useless and has been since Nevermind. An album that sold 30 million copies is "alternative"... how? Nowadays it just means "pop rock". We think Jet, Wolfmother and The Black Keys are "alternative rock" now.

>>69128489
I think what you think of as rock is what most other people would consider "classic rock"

>>69128831
Possibly? But I really just don't see it at all in the case of Remain in Light or Zonoscope. Once we accept them as "rock" it's bedlam.

>>69128656
What constitutes being "rich" for you?

>>69126646
this is for the most part true, but there's quite a psych resurgence happening

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will we ever get another era that is dominated by big band music?

>>69129626
Not until the fedoras get bored of it

>>69128829
That can be changed by slowly pushing generation by generation
>>69128799
Surely not. I consider Pearl Jam more alternative than grunge on a lot of stuff. The world is so saturated with music, it just takes some digging to find just about anything you can imagine. At the same time, is that what the people before us thought?

>>69129723
What do fedoras listen to? No one on this board can come to a consensus.

>>69126646
I want to stab every burger/beach goth kid. They're not only destroying the scene they're fucking spitting on it. Fuck them all.

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>>69128489
>"here's my opinion"
>"haven't listened to it"

>>69130319
Should I have lied?

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>>69130292
I am not a fedora type, as a jazz musician, I can attest to seeing some of the dumbass kids, especially back in high school wearing that shit to competitions and school and shit, yet they didn't even know what the fuck they were doing

>>69128489
Holy Moly which subreddit brought you here

>>69130360
r/cringe

>>69130326
no you should just not think your opinion is valid

>>69130370
On those artists? Sure. I agree. Which is why I didn't offer an opinion.

>>69128417
>the cribs

you poor thing

>>69128489

awful large pronouncements from some kid who has listened to no music

>>69130498
I know, right? Where do I come off?

>>69130513
>where do i come off
uh, 'where do you get off'?

these might help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_idioms
and
http://4chanmusic.wikia.com/wiki/Essential_Charts

>>69130604
>http://4chanmusic.wikia.com/wiki/Essential_Charts
Oh boy! I can't wait to fit in!

>>69130632
>thinking its about narratives and social posturing, and not about the music
try reddit too

>>69130654
It becomes a more attractive prospect with each new response.

>>69128542
indie started with the smiths

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>>69130684
Good because
YOU
NEED
TO
GO
BACK

Conor Oberst is my favourite musician.

>>69125965
thank fucking god

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>>69130684
Good, fuck off and die.

>>69125965

The decrease in rock music's popularity and the rise of hiphop and electronic reflects the lowering white population. It's not likely.

We'll probably get another era of pop-punk or something like that

Why do the people of /mu/ still care about what's popular?

>>69132645
neo-/mu/ cares about popularity.

>>69128299
emo is very reliant on being relatively underground. look at what happened when it went mainstream in the early-mid 00s. we still haven't recovered.

>>69132387
the bands that would've led that resurgence are already 3-5 albums deep. if it hasn't happened for them yet, it won't.

>>69125965
No, and I'm glad.

Indie music had too much attention on it the last 10-20 years. Bands that could've made unique & brilliant raw albums went full-blown generic b/c there was actually a mass market for it for the first time... The Strokes, Modest Mouse, The Killers, The White Stripes, Arcade Fire etc.

In the 2010s, there's been a smaller but more dedicated audience, which has allowed better-yet-weirder bands who may have been ignored 10 years ago to have some modest success. Think Deerhunter, Parquet Courts, VietCong... Arguably, you could add Mac Demarco and Tame Impala to that list too -- even the biggest indie bands are still pretty damn weird by 2000s standards.

>>69134949
How is Tame Impala weird by any standards?

>>69134949

can you reccomend me more albums like Deerhunters Halcyon Digest?

Is this literally a thread full of people who think indie is a genre?

>>69136419
>Is this literally a thread full of people who think indie is a genre?

It's an economic genre, which is remarkably honest reflection of how music functions in our society.

>>69136653
Nah.

>>69132364
White people love hip hop and edm gtfo

>>69130482
The cribs are good mang, brings me back to when I was young. Men's Needs Woman's Needs, Whatever was one of the first physical albums I bought

>>69136803
But black people don't like rock

>>69136945
you haven't lived around a lot of black ppl

>>69125977
Grimes is already dated senpai

no, we already did it you dumbass. maybe a new kind of guitar music will dominate, but it wont be indie rock because there is no novelty factor to indie rock

>>69132364
electronic music is white retard

>>69125965
pretty soon probably. Hip Hop has dominated music culture since the early to mid 00s. The genre is going into a less lyric, more sonic driven sound, which will eventually lead to (and already kinda has) the beat and production being the only substance. Drake probably won't be at the top much longer, and with the multitude of music platforms, there's never going to be another artist that dominates the way Drake or Wayne did. The bandcamp lo-fi indie rock will eventually become big as fuck. It's only a matter of time until people get bored of Drake, Ye, Yachti, Chance, and the like.

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>>69137055
Electronic dance music came out of Berlin, Chicago and Detroit mostly. And then later England, France, etc.

In america, house was basically an evolution of disco, so it was pretty black

>>69137116
rock also came from black people but its not black anymore is it

there is literally nothing going on in chicago except for the footwork scene there, electronic dance music is in london, berlin, bristol and not many other places

>>69137147
>there is literally nothing going on in chicago
There are literally tons of rock-based bands in Chicago.

>>69137240

there are tons of rock based bands everywhere mate that doesnt mean a ting boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>69137240
>>69137147
im a rapper from the south side who also plays guitar simultaneously if that helps, cant wait to shoot this music video!

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>>69137085
>the genre is going into a less lyric, more sonic driven sound

yeah because instrumental hip-hop has never been popular

>>69127937
Dude, when nevermind dropped Nirvana was still playing in podunk venues, there wasn't a lot of great marketing there.
I dunno about Jim Morrison, I think the doors suck.

>>69137293
>there are tons of rock based bands everywhere
That does make it a thing, actually

Nice try though
>>69137303
I don't care

No, because rock is establishment at this point and won't inspire youth in the same numbers/percentage it did in the past. It's also too white. Not a sjw, but the vast majority of non-white people I know lean towards hip-hop or edm more than other genres and I don't see their tastes shifting.

>>69127937
>grouping the doors with freaking nirvana

fuck you

>>69137368
yea ok buddy listen out for Blakkae on the radio on day

>>69137363
>Dude, when nevermind dropped Nirvana was still playing in podunk venues
1,000-person capacity clubs are Podunk?

>>69130319
Man, I love that gif

>>69137325
all of the hip hop artists blowing up today rely on the production to carry them. there's hardly any substance. especially Gambinos new shit. I mean yeah artsy music is great, but not the way hip hop is currently doing it. it's boring as fuck and offers nothing of lasting value. It really says something when /mu/ and even most critics hold Danny Brown's album to a higher esteem than Drake, Ye, Chance, Frank, etc etc who all released albums this year.

>>69137404
I don't care

>>69136347
listen to their other albums

>>69137565
oh shut up

>>69137488

Danny Brown has made some top quality music.
XXX is still the best hip-hop album I have heard bar Illmatic.
Scruffy got it right when he wrote that big paragraph starting with
>the fact that music critics bla bla the beatles bla bla
Just because something is popular doesn't mean its going to be held as a masterpiece for years, people who like radio music move on quickly where people who like music tend to remember what they listened to and learn who the artist is, his backstory, bla bla fucking bla

You think anybody is going to remember desiigner in 10 years to come? No, that dude got a good beat online and spat a shit verse over it. These people will remember the beat but not a chance they will remember the lyrics and probably not even the artist that spat over it.
Pop music is there to be consumed by the ADHD conformist generation.

>>69137680

none of it compares to that album.

>come on little boy, I am your friend, and i understand, the pain your in

the tingle down my spine, tis too much

>>69137747
>none of it compares to that album.
it's not even their best, imo

have you checked out their solo work? lotus plaza and atlas sound. pretty good
try beach house too if you haven't already

>>69125965
Nothing dominates nothing anymore.
Internet turned music into a High School situation where everyone has their own clique.
Even mainstream pop is it's own clique with trends, visuals and whatnot.
Surely some will be bigger than others but only a really shitty clique will be crushed by it's own weight (or lack of it).
People got used to being pandered instead trying to fit-in.
But i don't really care, I'm used to explore shit, only arrogant, entitled and ignorant people want musical fascism simply because it's easier to follow.

>>69128859
To reach that point in their musical progression, they were very much rooted in the rock tradition, from which Remain In Light can be seen as a deviation that still works within a rockist construct

Rock ended at the end of the seventies. Pink Floyd's The Wall was like rock's Apocalypse Now - a really big, kind of masturbatory way to send it all off. After that we had the synth-heavy new wave and jangly stuff, which was mostly shit outside of like Talking Heads and a few other acts. Then when rock came back into artistic relevancy in the nineties you got the epitome of edgy music that doesn't say anything interesting. And then you have now, where the majority of popular acts are corporate-manufactured bullshit and the alternative acts barely make anything good and instead focus more on the "2cool" contrarian image marketed toward vapid hipsters.

>>69130654
>Implying it's not about social posturing 90% of the times a chart is posted

>>69137806

I'll write it all down, appreciated.

>>69137966
>Corporate-manufactured artists just became a thing recently
>Marketing based on edgy image is a new thing

either you're a bigger le wrong generation fag than OP or I've been baited

from how commercialized punk has become i hope punk and all its subgenres are our new overlords

Rock as a genre is really stale

Couldnt really listen to a full lenght offspring album

>>69138354
They were always a thing but not as big as now, where that's practically every fucking well-known artist out there.

The Monkees were the first overly successful manufactured artist and it took many years to perfect that formula completely. Edgy marketing was around even back in the days of Zappa, but at least the music was great too.

Back then it was a style and had substance. Now it's just style.

>>69138610
The Offspring suck. HARD.
That has nothing to do with full-length rock albums by good bands.

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>>69136653
CORRECT

>>69136747
WRONG

>>69138732
You're doing absolutely nothing to seperate yourself from the le wrong generation label

This whole thread is shit, because people want to just be spoonfed the music they like, when the stuff that tops the charts has ALWAYS been mostly shit

>>69137378
Gotta agree with this anon. I'm black and whenever I play "rock" music around my non white friends a lot of times they'll either ask what it is with an unpleasant look on their face or ask to switch it. Historically black music has always been the cool new hip form of music to listen too in America by both whites and black. Rock is, to an extent, seen as boring white people music by our current generation. So when a majority of old rockstars and people who listen to rock are white it kinda killed it for people of other races and made it un-hip to some kids.

>>69132364
I wouldn't necessarily say that. But hip hop and edm is pretty much the go to party and club music which adds to more people preferring it for entertainment value and increasing its popularity over rock.

>>69128242
Very true, current "rock" does not have much fresh inspiration, too much nostalgia for old "classic rock" acts.

>>69136945
I'm black and love a lot of guitar bands.

>>69137035
>>69137693
>>69137810
Most accurate posters

And too add the whole "obscurity=better music" have made a lot of bands, for better or worse, avoid mainstream exposure.

>>69125965
the way people's internet will self-curate to the person's taste has essential made it so there won't be any large-scale artistic movements unless the internet is destroyed which is entirely possible considering obama just gave the internet to china and the saudis and trump is a wild card

>>69138909
How the fuck did Obama give the internet to the Saudis and China?

>>69138841
I've listened to a lot of things that aren't on the top of the charts and usually they've even more shit than the stuff on top of the charts.

You've done nothing to explain your point besides of "NO UR WRONG LE WRONG JENURATION XD"

>>69138986
If you actually think there's been no quality music under the rock label sine the 70's you're either willfully ignorant, or don't know how to use a computer.

Now more than ever, there's music that exists that fills every possible niche, any sound you could possibly want to hear, and many more that you've never even thought about, they're out there

But like you said, there's also a lot of shit, both on and off the charts. But that's how it's always been. There's been bland shit, derivative shit, corporate manufactured shit, etc. throughout all of popular music, but that's the stuff no one remembers. Nowadays, for every artist on bandcamp doing something amazing and unique there's 50 or 100 artists who are boring and forgettable.

Also, I kinda get the feeling that you believe the same thing as OP, that your definition of "rock" refers only to classic rock, which definitely DID die in the late 70's early 80's, but is nowhere near representative of all that rock music is/can be

>>69128542
what the fuck am i reading

>>69130360
lmao

>>69128288
>I feel like any artists I mention you're just going to shoot down one by one.
You're on /mu/, this is what people do here. This is the mentality of those on /mu/.

>>69137147
>there is literally nothing going on in chicago except for the footwork scene there,

you are very wrong

It's a good thing noise will never be a thing

I can be as lonely as I want with noise

>>69125965
maybe

>>69138986
Nothing then? K.

>>69125965
I guess I won't get a reply since most people on /mu/ usually just want to get their point across and hate on the local bait post

What I wanna say is, it may be dominated again by indie/rock music, but there is a big chance it won't. It might be due to the general mindset of most musicians these days as not being able to experiment in a good way.
You either get the same band that once put out good music repeat and repeat the shit over and over again until it absolutely 100% sounds shitty and old, or you get bands that try experimenting for the sake of experimenting an get a fad going on for a few weeks or months and that's just it.

The main problem is that the whole copy pasting way of dealing with music has achieved its peak, so people resort to listening to Kanye West since the most of the newer indie/rock acts sound just plain boring at this point.

A huge part of it too is the general fucked up public and 'community' that is interested in music which has taken the whole snobbish attitude to the maximum. At this point listening to music for most people is mostly for other reasons than actually appreciating the music, it's gotten up to the point 'this is the type of shit that's cool to say I listen' 'this is trendy and vaguely describes how I feel' 'this is obscure and it must mean it was genuine.

People have for the most part lost their connection to the current situation, to today, to current's society, and left it over willingly to Weeknd and the like. Out of touch with current genuine emotions in society and that is actually fucking important to make good music in contemporary times.

Stay in touch with what's happening, stay in touch with your surroundings for a while instead of the atmopshere of obscure post metal bands from Thailand.

And remember, if it's at it's peak, it's bound to go downhill. We can pick it up from there, right mate?

>>69126646

this.

/thread

>>69139073
I agree with your points. There's a lot of sounds out there but most of it is garbage. I think most media recently is like that since it's run by left-wing idiots who are dumb enough to buy in the media narrative about Trump.

>>69139535
I don't feel like arguing with you.

>>69138807
Incorrect. Indie is not a genre.

>>69126052
We just had one dumbass. 2010-2013

>>69140079
kill you are self

>>69126646
>Alex g
wtf hes shite?

>>69140079
so should I just call it all alternative? Is Sufjan Stevens just folk or electronic or what?

>>69142109
"Alternative" and "indie" are just marketing buzzwords. It's just popular rock music

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Don't think so. Everything is auto tune generated crap or hip hop

>>69142638

I'm going to sleep now

did you know that you will die a very painful death?

>>69125965
nah cus thats white people music