/classical/

>>68961829
Why is Beethoven so good but Haydn and Mozart effeminate shite?

>Beethoven
Op.131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q8ClARZCJU

Schubert is also the GOAT.

>>68962858

They just had different ideas.

>>68961829

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjJPNVJJMN4

Truly glorious.

>>68963180
He and Beethoven

Mozart and Haydn suck tho

>tfw you won't ever be a child pianist prodigy studying in Vienna in 1850

Fuck, the modern classical music world is so fucking shallow.

>tfw you won't ever be a great pianist living in squalor in Moscow in 1910

>>68963213
>Mozart and Haydn suck tho
Shit taste.

>>68963243
WW1 ruined everything

Classical music died with Bartok, Schoenberg, and Ives Deaths

How did Australia end up such an important country for music and how did it fall so far? Also, what's up with all the German?

>>68963274
>Australia
>>68963273
Ives is a meme. Carter is the best American.

>>68963316
Ives and Carter are best Americans senpai

Don't discount the Father of American Art Music

>>68963274

German had an excellent infrastructure built to find and promote the smartest muscians in the country since an extremely early age.
Italy had something similar going on, but the scale was way more limited (notice that Italy became a country in 1861, before that there were a ton on micro-states), also there has always been a prevalent preference on opera music.

>>68963273
Closer to WW2. It died in '82 with Carl Orff.

>>68963351
I have read back in the day Martin Luther promoted music in church so he's inadvertently an important musical figure.

>>68963417

That was relevant too (basically every German philosopher has talked at least once about the virtue of music).

But the infrastructures did most of the job. That's how Florence managed to produce so much superb literature and painting art in just 200 years.

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>>68961829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44VDhOucLHg

gould's hammerklavier sounds weird

>>68963663

>Gould's Beethoven

That sucks so much man.

>>68963663
is that beethoven on the left?

>>68964022
petzold

>tfw Trump win prediction at 93%

Classical music for this feel

>>68964343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5U9577N-dQ

>>68964343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfoCvCxNAw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvV0nSkfho0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giVXGrjqUeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-WZK1i7-PE

>>68964343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bLXSWvy1Bg

>>68964343

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L85XTLr5eBE

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Does /classical/ want to help me make a Starter Kit for newcomers?

I've been slapping together a chart that covers the most essential compositions, recordings, genres, etc. for people who don't know where to begin in the sea of classical records out there.

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>>68964810

>>68964810
>>68964830
I think one of the biggest barriers-of-entry to classical music is how fucking vague and broad of a term it is. you have everything from medieval music to modern minimalism, and the 800 different styles in between. somebody could love one of those and hate the rest, but it won't help them any if you just lump it all together into one chart

tl;dr, to be more helpful include style or period in the chart

>>68964830
That one always seemed like more of a collection of CLT's personal recommendations than a list of bare essentials.

I wanted to make something more akin to the genre sub-categories on the /mu/ essentials chart.

>>68964893
Well, I did make it in chronological order, but I could add some genre tags.

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>>68964915
The CLT chart is fine.

>>68964810
There needs to be better recording choices.

>>68964959
It's not a contest tho'

>>68964963
Got suggestions?

>>68965005
Moravec for the Chopin nocturnes and Suzuki for the B minor mass.
Why is Branca even on there? There are more changes that could be made but I'm busy keeping up with this election.
>yfw Trump actually does it

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>>68961829
Why are the Czechs so fucking based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KtYwRjrsaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDkAK_Td6mY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ4k9fxtm1g

I want to learn all about choral music. Any books/other resources I can use to learn about choral music

what classical will you be listening to while Trump wins?

>>68964959
>fine
>no js bach (originally)
>No schoenberg
>Zemlinsky for some reason
>Reich
>Michael Haydn
>Vanhal
>various other literal whos while neglecting actual quality composers

The chart is "Look at me I'm a special snowflake: the chart"

>>68965528
its only wagner for the next 4 years at least m8

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>Ades
Topo kek

>>68965528
I did have a friend joke that he was going to be listening to Gotterdammerung as the results came out, but I do see something of Siegfried in Trump. And Gotterdammerung is a let-down after the other three parts.

I was listening to some Lassus before I went to sleep so I'll probably continue with that this morning. Perhaps his Laudate psalms instead of the penitential ones.

>>68965528

Schoenberg is the perfect music to represent how fucked up the world actually is.

>>68965773
>implying Schoenberg's music is fucked up

This is the stupidest fucking statement. Schoenberg had a more coherent compositional philosophy than just about anyone in (at least) the 20th century.

>>68965814
Something can be fucked up and coherent at the same time.

>>68965836
Yeah but unless you expand on your statement, then it looks like you're one of the people who think serialism=fucked up which isn't true.

>>68965847

I wasn't implying that, I was thinking about the dread you can feel in some of his stringed works.

>>68965854
Fair

>>68965859
Also sorry for being grumpy, I've just woken up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EcERd6E0ws

>>68965907

no problem mate

>he got PA
Music for this feel?

>>68966016
I've put on Bruckner's Te Deum

I'm a simple man. I like clair de lune. Will anyone recommend me something similar?

>>68966072
Listen to Debussy's preludes

>>68966080
thanks man

I guess I'll listen to some Reich today. Just for you, Mr. Trump.

>>68966072
Brahms Op. 118 No. 2
enjoy :3

What a day

In the mood to listen to Dido and Aeneas

>>68968094
I'd forgotten how good the sorceress' final line before "But ere we this perform" is. Purcell is da man

Listening to Suoni la Tromba in honour of patriotism and national greatness

>>68966630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DJUzB7DBE

i don't like harpsichords

>>68968776
>in honour of patriotism and national greatness
sounds like good old special interest status quo propaganda
What's the true enlightened alt-right classical, anons?

>>68970397
why?

>>68970480
they sound stupid

>>68970494
no they don't

>>68961829
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request

Does anyone have the chart? I want to get into Debussy

>>68970839
Middle works, late works

The etudes, late sonatas, La mer, preludes, melodies, all 4 Images, Lisle joyeuse

Harpsichord = the rock star of classical
Piano = its younger melancholic brother

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>>68970954
this is better

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i need fanfare for Trump's victory

i got chicago symphony doing mahler's 8th, next up is prometheus: poem of fire

glory be with us

>>68971224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4uZvhjQNi0

>>68970954
>>68971157
thank u all

>>68970910
and thank u as well

>>68971224
Petzold
(Trump of music)

>>68971224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM

>>68965773
So Schoenberg is the old jewish equivalent of Linkin Park. That makes a surprising amount of sense.

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>>68972346
>Schoenberg is the old jewish equivalent of Linkin Park

What does /classical/ think of Villa-Lobos?

>>68963347
>Don't discount the Father of American Art Music
Copland?

>>68964810
where the fuck is ravels piano works

miroirs and gaspard yo

>>68973069
Pretty good if he's not doing stupid shit

what does /classical/ think of Saint-Saenz?

>>68964810
I've only started getting into classical recently and a lot of these pieces and recordings are ones I've seen recommended highly by various sources so I'd wager this is a fairly reasonable starter kit. I've heard a lot of these but there's a couple I'll deffinitely be checking out and it's cool that you've collected all this stuff on one chart, would have saved me a lot of time if I'd had it 4-5 months ago.

>>68973069

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkChdHBuoiQ

>tfw Trump won't celebrate his election with the climax that comes at 5.52

Politicians have the worst taste in music and basically all music that gets played at conventions and celebrations is 100% garbage. Fuck this world.

>>68974662
They just play different stuff for crowds I'm sure. They hire DJs specifically for those situations. Some of them are musicians, like Nixon, or I remember Condoleezza Rice playing Brahms with Yo-yo Ma, and Bill Clinton had his sax.

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>>68965037
Good suggestion on the Chopin, but Suzuki's Mass in B, while definitely a strong recording and popular 'round these parts, is far more sluggish than average. Gardiner's is considered a "reference recording" by practically everyone under the sun. Unless the rest of the board really wants it switched over, I'm going to keep Gardiner on for the time being.

As for Branca, him and Chatham fill the Totalism quota. While they certainly blur the distinction between classical and rock, their influence on contemporary classical really shouldn't be understated, and I certainly believe they deserve representation for those interested in hearing how art music has developed in recent years.

>>68973700
Oh, shit, dawg good call.

>>68974539
Thanks for the feedback brother. I'm happy it could help.

>>68974902
Needs some Haydn(piano trios/Trumpet concerto/ String quartets?) and maybe some Gershwin (Rhapsody in Blue/Porgy and Bess/An American in paris?).

>>68975118
I was trying to work in Haydn, but couldn't find a good representative recording, any suggestions?

Gershwin's cool, but who should be cut?

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>>68975305
i don't know if it's representative but i like it

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>>68975305

>>68975305
>who should be cut?
Einstein on the Beach. Ain't nobody got time for dat.

>>68974902
>>68975383
This
There's also a distinct lack of modernist Americans like Carter and Ives, and no one cares about totalism anyways.
And I like the Argerich recital why is it there? Is it really needed for "essentials"? If it's there for the Liszt sonata there are probably some better candidates for that.

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>>68975305
Not sure, who should be cut. I think that personal taste aside, >>68975383
is probably worthwhile to have on there for the sake of representation but if you are replacing stuff, pic related and Bernstein's Rhapsody coupled with An American in Paris would be my recs.

>>68974902
Well if you're complaining about sluggishness, you should definitely go for Gardiner's most recent B Minor recording which takes most of it at ludicrous speeds

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>>68975376
Neat. I've never seen this one before.

>>68975451
Ives is on there, but I hear ya. The Argerich recording is pretty damn famous, but I suppose it's not "essential." Chatham can go, but I'll leave Branca for the people with bad taste, such as myself.

>>68975383
>>68975451
>>68975877
I would like to keep Einstein on the Beach on there considering its uniqueness, but it seems unpopular, so I'll cut it for now.

>>68972346
>>68972359
>Crawling in my series, these tones, they will not heal.

>>68976328
I think the most entry level starter kit Philip Glass thing is Koyaanisqatsi anyways. Normally in movie form. Hardly any newbies will listen to 200 minutes of opera audio unless they've already watched his movie.

>>68972346

>Schoenberg
>he shows you the horror of the world wars
>Linkin Park
>they show you how much poor taste can a person have

Different things mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPtMrCjFFCs&index=74&list=WL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TOII-8KR4w&list=WL&index=73

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2gUw3btRUob

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Bump

what is the most beautiful piece there is?

Friends, I need help. I've been trying to find the song name and music for this certain piece that plays. I hear it a lot and Shazam and Sound Hound are shit at their jobs, so can someone help me out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGFVSTJix04 (the music is from 0:20 to 0:39)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B97JVD93EbE

I recently discovered Mahler and Symphony No. 1 and I can't stop listening to the final movement. It's just so epic and intense, I can't get enough of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1Ndx2p14Q

>>68979487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGAEpnUSUEg

>>68979576
It's a good 1st symphony. I got hooked on his 5th and listened to it every day for a week after I first heard it.

ded

>>68979487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8qiAMOiygs

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Post your rare petzolds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE

>>68981772

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>harpsichord

http://thesaltcollective.org/6936-2/

>America is on the verge of #BLAXIT

If blacks leave america does that mean they can't perform Beethoven anymore?

>>68976757
>Hardly any newbies will listen to 200 minutes of opera audio
Well, by this logic, Tristan shouldn't be on there either but I don't think anyone wants to advocate that it should be taken off. I think it's assumed that if people are going to be listening to this stuff that there's gonna be a willingness to give stuff a chance but if the barrier to putting something on is length or inaccessibility, there's probs much more on that chart that could change.
Einstein is the only Glass I've heard and I'm not very up to date on modern music though so this could be a much better pick for all I know.

>>68983770
kys

Going to get drunk and go to an amateur opera company's opera scenes concert tonight. Should be just about bearable once I'm a bottle of wine to the good. At least there's no threat of G&S on the programme

>>68983770

>not listening Bach only on harpsichord

Pleb spotted

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>>68985524
>Bach on harpsichord
Disgusting.

>>68985597
max pleb son
harpsichord and organ are the definitive baroque period sounds

>>68985620
>baroque period sounds
Not a thing.

>>68985620
Enjoy your historically accurate dynamic flatness and decreased expressive range. I'll just keep living in 2016 in the meantime.

>>68985864
>dynamic flatness
>organ
you mad

>>68985874
I meant for harpsichord. Organs are cool.

>tfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS8zMj8RKWs

>>68985864
>>68985620
Sounds like somebody hasn't heard Gorecki's harpsichord concerto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyXjX-IOP6s

>>68985597
>listening to a composition the way the composer intended it
Deeply repulsive.

>>68986240
Bach intended his published keyboard works like the WTC and AoF to be played on whatever keyboard instrument was available and, wouldn't you know, the piano is one of those options.

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Why is Pinnock's Water Music praised and regarded as the best recording? I listened to it several times and it was fairly dull. Listening to pic related atm and it's so much better and livelier. Heck, it's downright catchy. The brass can sound ugly at times (HIP), but it's tolerable when the overall performance is so good.

What should be my next step with Händel?

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>>68986751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei8WRv_XBlo

>>68986751
It's droll because Handel is droll lmfao

>>68986442

Bach wasn't used to piano and the way he thought piano should be played is completely different from the current dynamic language.

He composed all his compositions on Harpsichord and Organ, and beside from AoF (wich is clearly composed for both organ and harpsichord) virtually all his compositions are written for specific instruments.

tl;dr: get fucked pleb

You control the dynamics on harpischord by playing more notes, adding ornamentals, or playing faster, with rubato if necessary. It's baked into the music.

>>68987617
>Public performance radically changes the way music is heard and, indeed, the way it is played. We can see how works can become misunderstood through the conviction that all music is public by the idiotic program notes that now inevitably accompany almost any performance of Bach’s Art of Fugue, as a whole or in part, and perpetuate the early twentieth- century legend that this work is abstract thought, written for no specified instruments. This is non-sense, as it was intended like another educational work, the Well- Tempered Klavier, for two hands at a keyboard (this was well understood throughout the nineteenth century)— what keyboard was, indeed, not spelled out for either collection because they are works intended to be played at home on whatever keyboard you owned— clavichord, harpsichord, small portable organ or early pianoforte (in his last years Bach was a supporter of silbermann’s manufacture of pianos, and even helped to sell them). Bach had the four- part counterpoint of the Art of the Fugue printed on four staves as that made it easier to study— and even to perform at that time for any competent keyboard player, as most could then read proficiently from score. The manuscript, however, was written on two staves and looks no different from The Well- Tempered Klavier (in proper english, The Well- Tempered Keyboard) or, indeed, any later piano piece.

>being a historicist
>2016
http://www.tureckbach.com/publication-documentation/page/bach-myth-authenticity

>>68974902
Go back to Rebbit

>>68987617
>AoF (wich is clearly composed for both organ and harpsichord)
(not true, by the way.)

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>>68984835
>At least there's no threat of G&S on the programme
Gay and Sex? I think you will find a lot of that on the programme.

>>68985832
sounds that were common in the baroque period.
are you dumb?

>>68985864
I'll enjoy the glorious sound of the harpsichord. Thanks. I will also enjoy all other instruments, because I dont discriminate. Bukkehorn and Launeddas.

>>68987732
There are also often 2 keyboards on a harpsichord, one plays quieter than the other.

>>68987857
>I can copy paste Rosen
congratulations friend, come back when you have an opinion or a point. just fyi I'm not quoting you, so no "whom are you quoting" funny business

>>68987732
Further to this
>While many harpsichords have exactly one string per note, more elaborate harpsichords can have more. This provides two advantages: ability to vary volume and ability to vary tonal quality. Volume is increased when the mechanism of the instrument is set up by the player (see below) so that the press of a single key plucks more than one string. Tonal quality can be varied in two ways. First, different choirs of strings can be designed to have distinct tonal qualities, usually by having one set of strings plucked closer to the nut, which emphasizes the higher harmonics, and produces a "nasal" sound quality; the mechanism of the instrument permits the player to select one choir or the other. Second, having one key pluck two strings at once changes not just volume but also tonal quality; for instance, when two strings tuned to the same pitch are plucked simultaneously, the note is not just louder but also richer and more complex. A particularly vivid effect is obtained when the strings plucked simultaneously are an octave apart. This is normally heard by the ear not as two pitches but as one: the sound of the higher string is blended with that of the lower one, and the ear hears the lower pitch, enriched in tonal quality by the additional strength in the upper harmonics of the note sounded by the higher string.

>When describing a harpsichord it is customary to specify its choirs of strings, often called its disposition. Strings at eight foot pitch sound at the normal expected pitch, strings at four foot pitch sound an octave higher. Harpsichords occasionally include a sixteen-foot choir (one octave lower than eight-foot) or a two-foot choir (two octaves higher; quite rare).

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Is La Traviata a meme opera?

>>68990195
How about the point that his published works were intended for a generic keyboard instrument, and that the piano is a valid option.
The piano also sounds better too but that's just an opinion.

>>68990567
The only meme operas are Wagner's ring cycle and Mozart's Magic Flute.

Have the Spanish ever made anything good?

>>68990567
It's one of my least favourite Verdi operas and I'm always a bit miffed that it's so popular but it's not bad by any metric

>>68990609
Nah, more like just the Overtures for Wagner's Ring

Most people don't have the patience for a 14 hour opera

>>68990594
>the piano is a valid option
I have no problem with that. It can't sustain some of the longer pedal notes, but its technically a keyboard instrument, and certainly has good clarity and accuracy, if not verging on being too clean and sterile.

>>68990633
Morales, Victoria, Rodrigo, Tarrega, Albinez.

>>68962858
Beethoven was an emotional innovator, Haydn and Mozart were just orthodox composers recycling the same garbage techniques.

>>68992283
>Mozart
>orthodox
top jej

>>68990633
Manuel de Falla is great. Enrique Granados has some good tunes. Antonio Soler for harpsichord. Gaspar Sanz and Fernando Sor for lute.

I love Spanish music for some reason. The dynamics, the 6/8, the folksy sound, guitar.

>>68992283
Haydn and Mozart were innovative af though. Beethoven was more radical than innovative.

>>68992283
>emotional innovator
What did he mean by this?

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jLfPBstkuo

>>68963246
Debussy

Is this meme tier?
https://youtu.be/IasbA3iUl3E

>>68992374
He was Catholic

is elgar a meme composer? my friend told me he was a pleb, but i quite like his piano quintet.

>>68961829
my roommate has had this book on his desk for like 3 years and never read it. he just keeps it around to make it look like he knows classical. pisses me off.

>>68988093

Certain Contrapunctus are literally noted as harpsichord compositions (wich was his favourite instrument), certain other composition are clearly written for organ, since they can't be played on regular keyboard instruments.
No musicologist argue for the AoF being written for piano, and when you look at Bach's history there's no reason for thinking so.
AoF on piano sounds beautiful, I'll give you that. Still way too different from its original conception, unless you start playing piano in a completely unpianistic way.

>>68987857
>>68988093

Read what I've written above. In AoF certain Contrapunctus are specifically written for Harpsichord, other Contrapunctus' can instead only be played in organ, wich were his 2 main instruments (Harpsichord being his favourite). Piano transcriptions are still effective, but they sound way too different from their harpsichord/organ counterparts. I see them as separate workers.

>>68985864

Harpsichord has a completely different sound and it shouldn't be compared to piano, just like piano should not be compared to organ. A chord on a harpsichord sounds drammatically different from anything you can play on piano (and if you try to play a piano as a harpsichord people will just give you shit for it).


>>68990594

Piano is a valid option, but it doesn't resemble anything Bach heard during his lifetime. I guess Beethven's symphonies' piano transcriptions are valid too, but they're something too different to compare from the original piece.

>>68992283

>mozart was just orthodox composer recycling the same garbage techniques

confirmed for never having actually understood Mozart's music

>>68961829
any good baroque recs, i want to try other artists besides bach and handel

>>68997854
no

>>68997564
>and if you try to play a piano as a harpsichord people will just give you shit for it
Cause everyone hated it when Glenn Gould did that.

>>68997854
Jordi Savall & Al Ayre Español make a lot of good compilations of Spanish Baroque. I Recommend Villancicos y danzas criollas de la Iberia antigua al Nuevo Mundo (1550-1750).

Monteverdi's L'Orfeo, the Gardiner / English Baroque recording especially, is always a crowd pleaser.

Biber's mystery sonatas if you're looking for some dank-ass period specific violin.

Purcell's The Fairy Queen & Odes to Saint Cecilia Day

Telemann's Tafelmusik

Fuckin' Vivaldi

Lully: Les Divertissements de Versailles

Corelli's 12 Concerti Grossi Op. 6

Alessandro Scarlatti's Il primo omicidio, ovvero Cain

Domenico Scarlatti's Keyboard Sonatas

Tartini's Violin Concertos & Devil's Trill Sonata

Leclair's Violin Sonatas

Soler's Fandango / 9 Sonatas (Scott Ross recording)

That should keep you busy.

>>68999366

Glenn Gould's recordings (especially WTC and AoF) are extremely controversial, even here.

>>68997564
>AoF certain Contrapunctus are specifically written for Harpsichord
[citation needed]
Also Bach's favorite keyboard instrument was the clavichord iirc.

>>68999366
His playing style was based on Rosalyn Tureck and she's fairly respected.

>>68995784
I wonder why all best music was created by non-catholics

>>68995656
this is beautiful
clair de lune is a meme tier tho

>>69003113
He was inspired by Tureck and took a lot from her but I don't think his own style is very close to hers really.

Le pleb reporting in.
I do like Nabucco, Symphony of Sorrowful Songs, Akhnaten, Triadic memories by Morton Feldman. What to try? Plz no violin like mozart or similar.

>>69003271
Listen to Mozart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm994ZXMbJ8

>>68985620
I wouldn't of known wow thanks anon

>>68996453
All Brits are meme composers.

I heard chopin meme nocturne in a commerical the other day, how long has it been in meme tier

>>69004746
I heard it in a commercial for boxed wine in 2011. That was when I first became aware it was memeclassical.

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>>68997854

>>68961829
>tfw you fell for slav classical music is good
For example Tchaikovsky is alright but chopin has to be most repetitive musician ever

>>69004157
t. American

Is the 1981 Gould Goldbach Variations perfection?

>>68964343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf-hASwA8q0

>>69005534
the 1962 gould's petzold variations is perfection

>>68999759
>Telemann's Tafelmusik
god, he wrote so much fucking music

this might be a pleb question, but is there a "best of" type album with only a selection of his tafelmusik rather than the whole thing? just to get started?

>>69006130
don't like his shouting and swearing though

>>69006535
His actual Tafelmusik is only about 4 hours long. But yes he wrote a shitton of boring background baroque. Most of it is technically skilled but unengaging. I would suggest either his solo flute or solo violin fantasies or maybe some of his vocal music, cantatas or passions.

>>69006535
Just listen to Bach or Handel instead desu.

>>69006535
i like this violin concerto (TWV 51: g21)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giYtcSU9nxc

also bach did a transcription of that concerto
(BWV 985)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzplswZc9fM

How do you organize your classical music library?
Do you just have a single genre "Classical"
or do you divide it into Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Modern, etc.

Right now I just have "Classical" and "Modern Classical" but my library is getting pretty cluttered and I'm not sure how to subdivide it

>>69007470
composer, performer, work

>>68992691
>Fernando sor for lute
That would be like saying
>Chopin for harpsichord

>>68990633
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zWixh2bEexc
This guy was a student of Ravel, but he died in the Spanish civil war so he fell into obscurity

>>68996453
He wrote an excellent cello concerto, of which lots of people consider to be on par with dvorak's

Baroque
French>Italian>Iberian>German

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>>69008623
>German at the bottom
>has Handel and Bach

>>69008623
>Iberian over German
>no Bohemia, Netherlands, or England
hello contrarian

>>69008794
>England
Purcell, the list goes on...

>>69007470
I don't really sort my library, but if you want ideas you could sort like this:
Renaissance and Baroque, Classical and Romance, Modern and Postmodern

>slows down at end of every piece

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The strong possibility that Bernstein and Copland fucked makes all those Young People Concerts they did together pretty interesting to watch.

Best youtube recording of Bach's St Matthew's Passion?

>>69009592
>Bernstein
qt
>and Copland
ugh
I hope they did not

>>69010060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAafyK44fCc

What's the second best thing Copland ever wrote?

>>69010708
Fanfare for the Common Man

>>68961829
Hey guys, sorry this in here but for some reason there isn't a /comp/ thread so I'm posting this here.

I just finished this composition. I'm missing a small F major part (clearly seen in the sheet music, must be like 8 bars long, got three settled but need the first five, not yet composed as of now) but this is finished besides from that.

Here it is: https://musescore.com/user/12518851/scores/2873606

Note that there are some ritardandos that I can't put on MuseScore as far as I'm aware.

>>68964959
t. CLT

Is early Scriabin actually good?

>>69012845
Early Scriabin is basically second-rate Chopin.
Late Scriabin is edgy memeing.

>>69010060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm1os4VzTgA&t=5042s

Herreweghe is based

>>69010708
Appalachian Spring

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-k_TukIjG0

>>69014190
>>69014196
lmao absolute madwoman

My girlfriend can't listen to Beethoven. She always says that she doesn't enough about music to judge this and I don't get why does she think that way. Do you really have to find every possible modulation to appreciate the Pathetique?

How do you get people into classical music when they have this mindset?

hey guys. i'm looking for classical music that exhibits a very "victorian" or "gothic" feel or aesthetic. any composers/collections i should look into?

>>69013703
This kind of stuff is why I like Telemann.

>>69014253
Sometimes it's too intense or different for normies that are used to a simple harmony like I-IV-V. Classical music has some extremely easy harmonies too (I-V is a favorite from Beethoven) but they use it in creative ways.

Tbh just start with something easy, like Chopin or Rachmaninoff.

>>69014253
can you rephrase that I can't understand you

>>69003132
Lol Catholics
Like what is this, the pre Reformation?

Which piece is this?
https://clyp.it/doji5gyb

>>68992283
>Haydn and Mozart were just orthodox composers recycling the same garbage techniques.

Fuck, I'm not musically educated and even I know this is bullshit.

Anyone know where I could get a flac of Liszt's Totentanz S.126 performed by Denis Matsuev and the MSO?
I've heard a few recordings of the piece and most have poorly recorded brass, or piano. This one sounds perfect but I only found it one one compilation on youtube in average quality.

>>69017154
Have you already tried Soulseek, mu archive, blogs, Rutracker and what.cd?

>>69010060
koopman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzFfeNxNRI

>>69016099
Phillip Glass - Koyaanisqatsi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4WlNj1TTqA

>>69017674
Thank you!

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Hello everybody
I am really starting to love the string quartet, I am certainly finding more appreciation for string quartets than I have for most symphonies.

I've enjoyed Beethoven's early quartets and Ravel's string quartet in F major, could anyone make recommendations based on these?

>>69018465
Same here, never really enjoyed symphonies as much as string quartets. Just work your way through the Beethoven quartets.

I listened to the Takacs Quartet play his 14th recently, 10/10 would recommend.

>>69018465
Ravel is often coupled with Debussy's single quartet or perhaps Ropartz's quartets.

Early Beethoven you could try Early Schubert, Mozart or Cherubini.

>>69018821
Thank you, Ropartz looks particularly interesting

What's the most depressing kvlt classical music? I know there's Mahler Kindertotenlieder and so on but I'm looking for older baroque or earlier pieces.

In other words a baroque equivalent of depressive black metal. Yeah.

>>69020013
is this the more edgy version of 14th-century Weezer?

bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkKweNnkHfY

>tfw video game composers are the only people who still value melodies today

>>69021787
And Young Thug.

>>69020013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GBwbt6hK6c

>>69018465
Haydn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbnfoPG_uaE

>>69021787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVKN5jvE9Q0
Not true at all. Many composers still working in the tonal system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tys8cm0W2Ds

>>69021787
along with 95% of popular music, you mean?

>>69021787
You mean they value the same melodies.

What's the best Handel oratorio?

>>69023494
Messiah.

>>68997854
charpentier te deum

>>69010060
It's Richter. I've been saying this for years.
https://youtu.be/pf4UNJqv_-A?list=PL244CEA0602505065

>>69024097
But muh HIP

>>69023494
My top 5 (in no order)

Messiah
Semele
Theodora
Solomon
Saul

Honourable mentions:
Hercules
Jephtha
Belshazzar

werty

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Why haven't you listened to Mozart today?

>>69026516
because he's gay

>>69026557
Mozart was not gay i was actually a very straight man get your facts STRAIGHT.

I want to pick up playing violin again lads
What are some good solo violin pieces (maybe w/ piano but that's the most)

>>68961829
Could i see that Debussy chart please?

>tfw virtually no talent besides from high proficiency on clarinet

Fuck clarinet, I want glory. I'm 22, is it too late too pick it up and become a concert pianist?
Because if it is too late I'll just kill myself.

>>69027155
>taking up music because you want fame and glory
pick another profession desu

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What does /mu/classical think of...

>>69026923
Vivaldi

>>69026923
Bach violin concerto in e major

>>69026996
it sucks so much I don't even bother to save it. useless """"chart"""" is basically just a handful of pictures of album covers in random places a bad ms paint jpeg.

just listen to them all, debussy is p good

>>69024097

That's a weird way to spell Karajan.

what do you guys think is some good Schumann to listen to

>>69029752

>>69029752
>>69029807

Forgot link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQoJjhFv2s

do plebs ever reverse snobbery you when they find out you like classical music?

>wow anon you're 'sooooo classy' huh

>>69006789
Ryan Layne Whitney clavichord videos are the most patrician thing in the world

>>69030746
they do, but it's worse if films come up and I mention Tarkovsky

Don't know where else to ask, so does anyone know what kind of organ this is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acnH6M1Ee8k

It doesn't sound like a church pipe organ

THOUGHTS ON CONFUTATIS?

>>69032655
church pipe organs have hundreds of stops, each one that changes the sound slightly. They have more different sounds that your average synthesizer.

The organ in that piece is just using a particular combination of stops. the exact sound will be specific to the organ, although you could make a similair sound on other organs.

>>69030746
no.

>>69033178
good

>>68963347
>don't discount the father of American art music
He didn't say anything about George M. Cohan.

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thoughts on legrenzi?

>>68990567
It's a meme in that it's popular. That doesn't make it bad.

>>68997333
Which book?

What are some great pieces with prominent harpsichord + strings?
Been listening to something called trio sonnerie which I'm really enjoying atm.

Ok so I know that early music isn't strictly classical but would anybody have a mega folder based upon early music dances and songs?

What's the best Beethoven's string quartets set out there?

Is the Tokyo string quartet good enough?

What is the best interpretation of Mozart's Requiem?

>>69035410
>What's the best Beethoven's string quartets set out there?
In stereo I prefer Vegh. In mono I tend to gravitate towards Busch or the Hollywood Quartet.

If it's your first time listening to the quartets I wouldn't worry about it too much, though.

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classical newbie starter kit?

I like Mozart's and Preisner's Lacrimosas

>>69036118
>I like Mozart's and Preisner's Lacrimosas
Filthy Pleb. Get out.

>>69036118
Brahms choral music, specifically his requiem and Alto rhapsody. Faure and Duruffle's requiems.

>>69036118
Everything by js bach.

What's the best Handel fugue?

Any anon lurking this thread knowledgeable about oboe?

>>69037416
what do you want to konw

>>69037427
can you show me, i wanna know you lord

>>69037531
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Woodwinds/Oboe

>>69037531
not me

>>69037427
I want to know what piece my qt neighbour is practicing. Here are recordings of her playing :
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ck8LcUkVla
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0jZ7xB9gWMz

>>69037808
What, you trying to hit on her or something?

>>69037997
absolutely

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You have 10 seconds to explain why this isn't the GOAT symphony

My classical playlist for LSD

Miserere
Ave Maria

THATS IT, THOSE TWO. PLEASE GIVE ME OTHERS. I LOOOOOOVE CATHARTIC AND RELAXING RELIGIOUS MUSIC LIKE THIS.

PLS /CLASSICAL/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg9cE-ceso&t=15m56s

How the FUCK was this composed in 1822

It sounds so modern holy shit

How do people become orchestral composers and conductors?

I'm a very proficient jazz double bassist (although I listen mostly to classical music) and the more I sink time into it the more I get confident about my composition talent. I'm pretty sure that by studying orchestration I could do great things.

What should I do? Enroll in music school? How do you get into the circuit?

>>69038663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmgeYjgfyk

>>69039900

The Art of Fugue on LSD is mindblowing, you will just notice every single pattern.

>>69039900
>>69039933

look those digits

>>69035420
Gardiner easily.

>>69038001
That will never happen.

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can anyone recommend more classical that uses silence and very silent moments like this please

>>69040891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7ZLEU4XVk

>>69040960
more like contrasting more intense sections with really quiet interludes or something like that

>>69034487
His sonatas aren't bad. Very reminiscent of Castello or Uccellini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQA5Kl-61UI

>>69041067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZXLbfl_QE

>>69034673
Just listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eai5dr5kqqU

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>>69041067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khcUhxwUc18
>>69041151
>Reincken
U N D E R R A T E D

>>69041151
>>69041199
thanks lads

>>69036118
Check here.

>>68976328
>>68964830

>>69041387
Fuck off CLT

>>69040632
I do want to find out what she's playing though.

Yo my dudes, can anyone post pieces that are entirely pleasant all the way through with no dissonance/tension whatsoever?

>>69021787
Listen to yoshimatsu

>>69038741
Just sounds early romantic DESU

>>69041410
Actually, I'm the other chart guy, but I am still shamelessly plugging so I'll hold that L.

>>69039466
As far as I know, studying and meeting other composers/conductors is how it's done. Basically surrounding yourself with other great musicians so that when the next conducting competition comes up, you know some more about the orchestra, or if you want to compose, you have friends that are willing to play a piece for you. At least, I hope that's how it works.

t. conservatoirefag

I mainly listen to solo instrument works or string quartets, how can I get into larger scale stuff (i.e. symphonies)?