/classical/ - mottetos edition

>Herreweghe
Pleb

Any good releases from your favorite performers recently?

Who is the best sacred composer after Bach and why is it Bruckner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50a3b2QW1fk

ATM my /classical/ folder is a mess, but I think I'm gonna spend few hours to rename each folder like that:
>composer name - (composition date) composition/album name ~ musicians names eventually (recording date) [release date]

how do you order your stuff??

I have 2 requests:
Is there no torrent with all the stuff in OP? Mega is cool and all but I prefer torrent for mass download.
Does anyone happen to have works from Alexander Konstantinovich Glazunov? Can't find shit on the internet?

Here comes the Pedal Harpsichord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifv5mTeG08M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p01w8MpOkxM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW2cG-e0vYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPKcW25BUV4

>>68894476
You spelled Franck wrong, also

>Bog composers after Wagner

>>68895106
I just dump all the files by the same composer in the same folder, because I use Musicbee and don't look at the files.

>>68895651
Have you tried searching rutracker with his name written in cyrillic, if you've already tried latin?

>Is there no torrent with all the stuff in OP?
No, and you don't need all the shit from the folders anyway.

>>68895659
What do pedals even do?

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>>68896141

>>68896363
I didn't ask what for what a pedal harpsichord was, i asked what pedals do

>tfw just finished an audition + interview

well lads, it wasnt as bad as last time. i feel ok about it this time.

>>68896027
Okay, there's quite a bit of stuff on rutracker. I can't read ruskoff for shit though, quite annoying.

>>68896399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgYwwfRVQHE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ00agLjPT0

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Reminder that the Art of Fugue is a keyboard work.
Reminder that the best performance is on piano.

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>>68897919

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Bump

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Lutz Kirchhof - The Language of the Gods, The Parisian Art of Lute Music (2007) [320kbps]
>Renaissance, Baroque. XVI-XVIIth French music.
Sample: (not samples but this is similar) https://youtu.be/HCCu1n3rBW8
Download: http://www59.zippyshare.com/v/aa9W8TwX/file.html

if anyone cans share XVth French stuff (ie. Josquin des Prés, Clément Janequin) that would be nice!

>>68896141
>>68896399
they add another harpsichord that you play with your feet. like an organ.

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>>68897919
>absolute music
>asserting instrumentation

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I sort of want to listen to this. I can't find an upload yet, however.
A couple years ago I read about this thing. He commissioned a piano to be built without the strings crossing so it doesn't get that sympathetic resonance. Like a fortepiano basically. I haven't heard a recording of it yet.

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I'm a sucker for gimmicks.

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What does /mu/ think of Gesualdo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-gP1Cb4S_o

>>68900716
spotify

well it sounds like a fortepiano desu

I'm really, really enjoying Bartok's Contrasts for Violin, Clarinet and Piano.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3M0BqRM0P8

Know anything similar?

Bought the scores for Rigoletto and Rheingold in a second-hand bookshop earlier today. Just as I was about to leave, I noticed the novel form of Cunning Little Vixen that Janacek adapted. Feel like it might have been providence considering I'm performing in a production of it in ~7 months. Also sang some Mantyjaarvi tonight, interesting composer.
>>68894476
Bruckner's sacred music is a lot more tolerable than his symphonies
>>68896446
Most of the relevant stuff is in English anyway (in the file information window stuff). Although for Russian composers it can sometimes be a little bit more difficult
>>68895659
>Not piano pedalier
Most underrated instrument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HELxh1-diuA
>>68896421
Are you the pianist from the other thread? What did you play?

>that one piece that made you fall in love with classical music and even after all these years, you can come back to it and still feel the same thrill as the first time

What's her name /classical/?

>>68902732
[spoiler]Mondscheinsonate[/spoiler]

>>68902732
Literally Beethoven 9

>>68902732
I can tell you...but I won't. What's her name anon?

>>68902732
mozart symphony 40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTl_GnlLH4U

>>68902732
Beethoven Meme Sonata. Not moonlight though.

>>68902971
Waldstein?

>>68902732
Sea Symphony

I can't listen to the final movement without at least welling up

>>68902971
Pathememe or Appassiomeme or Waldmeme or Hamemerklavier?

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Hello again /classical/, I'm here to bring you my proposition. As I'm sure most of you have noticed, the /mu/ core chart is lacking in several areas, but one of the most jarring omissions is a section for classical music.

So here's my proposition, I want you to suggest items to add for a classical section on the /mu/ core chart. There's a catch though. The chart is not only the essential recordings, but also the records you feel have the best recordings. That way, people will not have to sift through endless releases of the same recording, trying to find which one is the best.

Let's make a chart so I can post it here >>>68903031 in this thread

>>68903095
Also, please post a picture of the album itself, it can get confusing trying to find the recording to put into the chart.

>>68903095
>The chart is not only the essential recordings, but also the records you feel have the best recordings.

What do you mean by this

>>68903150
I wrote that up really quick, but what I mean is the essential compositions from famous composers as well as a recording /classical/ best exemplifies said composition.

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>>68903095
Paul Hindemith - Piano Sonatas - Gelnn Gould

>>68903210
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the 'best recording' debates that go on but there are often a lot of recordings in contention and a lot of it comes down to what your personal preferences are.

And if any old meme recordings get put on the chart, then most /mu/ people won't listen to them because they don't know how to listen to classical recordings and will just moan about bad sound quality.

>>68903225
added, thank you very much

>>68903344
I was not aware of this debate, though that could pose a problem. I wanted to add this section since I know a lot of people have been asking for it for years, yet few have put in the effort to make one. Some people find it daunting to have to sort through hundreds of recordings of the same composition and I felt that if we waded through to the ones that many people agree on, then it will help get more people into classical music as a whole.

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>>68903095
Ravel/Dutoit - Daphnis et Chloe

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>>68903390
I think it would be better to have a list of The Bestest Musics by The Classical Gang and then have 1-5 great recordings of each but that's a hell of a lot of effort for a chart for a Chinese underwater meme site.

maybe instead of "best" it is more correct to use "notable". however, some artists release many recordings of popular classical music that are all pretty decent, so it would be nice to have some variety among performing artists as well.

>>68903390
>sort through hundreds of recordings of the same composition
unless you're a classical geek (in that case, you don't need such very basic essential chart), you can't really spot differences between such recordings: pleb like me prefer a clean recording & a nice artwork. We won't bitch about who record this piece, when, etc.

>>68903687
That works as well. It's better to have something than to leave no classical section in the /mu/core chart, considering there's a large portion of /mu/ that do listen to classical or want to get into it.

>>68903706
That's also a fair point. Considering this, though, what would you recommend?

>find mozart and haydn rigid and boring
>don't mind bach
does this make any sense?

>>68903872
Classical period music is longer and has too many repeats.

>>68903872
Ya you're a pleb.

>>68903970
Need not be stated, I'm talking about famous composers on 4chan

>>68903706
I have to disagree, and I'm far from a classical geek. Having listened to classical music for a year, I really have noticed that the performer matters. Many compositions that I couldn't enjoy at all turned out to be great once I found a different recording that suited my tastes better. For example, I love Gould's clarity in Bach solo suites, while Hewitt and Schiff when performing the same pieces just bore me.

>>68903872
>don't mind bach
>"don't mind"

I download a lot of music selectively out of box sets. Albums seem like rockist mentality to me. Classical music is inconvenient, that's just the way it is.

>>68903872
What Mozart have you heard cunt?

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>Nocturne 2 was composed at the age of 20

Is Tchaikovsky considered pleb?
I fell in love with his music after playing some of it.

>>68905012
you're a pleb for asking if tchaikovsky is pleb

>>68904516
Symphony 40, Piano Concerto (9,17), Clarinet Concerto, plus a bunch of youtube shit throughout the years I didn't like; Piano Concerto (20,21), Requiem I liked alright but didn't care too much for.

I have no music degree or argument to make but it just sounds like some technical wankery to me

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>>68905215
well you listened to his a lot of his least "rigid" stuff already

try his symphony 41, piano concerto 24, and quintet in c major

>>68905215
>not being in love with the slow movement in the clarinet concerto
You just have no taste or emotion, I don't know what else to tell you t b h.

>>68905215
>clarinet concerto
>boring and rigid

yeah nah you're a cunt

>>68902732
The one and only...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg

>>68903095
>1951
>not 1942 or 1954

>>68902732
>>68902821
Agreed

Any rec's for non-poncy baritone opera singers? Saw Brian Stokes Mitchel on broadway a while back and enjoyed his voice, am looking for something similar.

>>68906351
>non-poncy
>on broadway
pick one

>>68903095
add
Vladimir Sofronitsky - Scriabin Recital

>>68903095
Arthur Rubinstein - Chopin 19 Nocturnes (Vol. 49)

petzold

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>>68906473
>>68906595
were these the right ones?

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What did he mean by this

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>>68908095

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>>68903095

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>>68903095
this

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>>68903095
fpmiu

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>>68903095
essential

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>>68894476
>Bruckner
>Best anything
what the fuck? you are tripping my friend.

>>68897919
>Keyboard work
*Organ work
It aint best on piano. too cold, cannot sustain the long pedal notes. One performer cannot accurately play all the different voices without butchering amounts of rubato.

>>68903872
Bach is full of life, endlessly interesting without being contrived.

>>68908095
If you listen to this general you're going to end up with some very poor recording and "essential" piece choices, just saying.

>>68909586
He isn't going to win any prizes with that. no dynamics, no extended techniques, no live electronics, no timbral exploration.

>>68902914
do you have a good download of this?

>>68903344
thats not a problem with black metal

>>68903502
you have nothing better to do

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>>68903095
this got me into renaissance

>>68896421
Good luck.

>>68902732
The Mikado. I went to see it as a kid and still love it to this day.

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What classical music would she listen to? Is she a bogposter?

>>68911307
Wagner and probably tylo be chillin

>>68902732
Chopin's nocturne op.55 no.1 in F moll

>>68902732
Verdi's Requiem

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>>68903095

>>68904837
>Petzold composed Minuet in G major at the age of 10

what are good Brahm works

Who /crazy/ here?

Uni bought me near to suicide, the academic life is not for me and I have no talent, apart from playing proficiently classical guitar.

I'm going to quit uni, work a part-time job, live in squalor and poverty and dedicate all my free time to piano.

I know that I'm starting extremely late (I'm 20yo) but I guess this is my call. I'd rather be a loser in music than being a loser in Biology.

>>68912568
i know that feel bro, they say it's hopeless

>>68912736

Eh, I'm tireless and I'm already used to play music for more than 10 hours everyday. Also my theory and composition is in check.

It's still better than ending up in a shitty laboratory and do analysis for 30 years and then retire. I'm pretty sure that if I pick this road I'll kil mysef in less than 10 years, I'd rather fail in something that I truly appreciate. I may be lacking in modesty but I'm pretty sure that no artistic achievement is beyond me. I really feel that as long as I'm allowed to be creative I have no limit.

>>68911004
No it didn't, because Pérotin is medieval/ars antiqua

>>68912960
oh damn i knew it, whatever it can get mixed

>>68912915
then you go better go do it,good luck

>>68912568
>Who /crazy/ here?
well, common people do believe I'm crazy because I dedicated my life to extreme music, and fancy classical snobs are not that different, they believe I'm crazy too

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>>68903095
the greatest romantic

>>68913510

What's extreme music?

>>68913678
Any meaningful self-expression outside of established cliques is 'extreme' today.

>>68902732
dvorak 9th

>>68902732

Mahler's ninth.

I came from a /mu/core background and the sheer quality, maturity and intensity of that symphony completly changed me.

>>68912568
I'm also 20 and slowly going insane doing a physics degree and this keeps seeming like a more desirable option every day. My parents would probs disown me if I dropped out though and I do like learning about physics, I just hate the academic rigor.

if mozart is /ourguy/ then why is there only his great mass in c minor and don giovanni in the general folder?

>>68913678
I assume he means music like Classical that has very limited popularity.

>>68894476
Mozart

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>>68903095
Mozart - Piano Sonatas - Barenboim

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>>68903095

I just wanna say i love you guys

Post your favorite work about love!

>>68915857

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bLXSWvy1Bg

nah

>>68915537
The realest nigga.

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Ok, so this is what I've got so far.

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>>68917153
a disturbing lack of bach

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>>68917153
This isn't my favorite but it's serviceable and has all the sonatas.

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>>68917153

>>68917153
>Hugo Wolf memetet
CLT is that you?

>>68917593
>all the sonatas.
Holy shit.
>34 CD

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>>68917153
one of the first piano quintets. emerson does a really good job.

>>68917153
mutis scriabin poem of ecstacy

in fact just go for ashkenazys box set. the promehteus and poem dextase in it are top notch. not sure about the smyphonies...

louis lortie's ravel piano works is incredible (apart from tombeu de couperin, the prelude is weak)

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>>68917952
I really liked the 10th the first few times I listened to it, but DSCH theme in the 3rd movement sounds a bit corny to me now. Probably like his 15th the most nowadays, especially the 3rd movement and the creepy sounding ending.

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Is he dare I say it, a meme?

>>68918804
Does he have any memecompositions other than Verklarte Nacht?

>>68917153
are you taking in 21st century too?

I need more like devil's trill sonata that isn't four seasons.

>>68909586

Never expected to see this posted again. Literally only encountered it because of facebook telling me one of my friends liked it.

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>>68917153
some memebaroque by Jordi Savall?
>Jean-Baptiste Lully : l'Orchestre du Roi Soleil, Le Concert des Nations

>>68912568
Finishing my degree in modern languages, spending a year to "decide" that I want to do a postgrad in voice and then hopefully start a long and storied career as the best heldentenor since Melchior.

But finishing my degree first so I at least have that in case I ever decide (incredibly unlikely) that music isn't for me

>>68917713
>34 CD
Literally child's play

I've got a 99 CD complete Liszt piano music collection. And I think there's a new complete Mozart that's just been released that runs to something like 200 CDs

>>68920232
>yfw Wagneranon saves opera singing

Decided that my life goal is now to find a qt gf who is basically my best friend but that I want to fuck and then fuck whilst listening to Tristan and delaying orgasm until the liebestod

>>68920294
I'm not Wagneranon but he is the one who inspired me and I will be sure to drop lots of references to /classical/ when I hit the big time

Sang with Lauridsen this morning. His music is pretty memey shit (hence why he's one of the most performed American choral composers) but he's quite funny. Second thing he told me was that his dad was a serial child abuser

Zoltan Kocsis died today.

>>68920929
R.I.P.

Good pianist

>>68920929
That's sad. At least he recorded all the Bartok piano music.

>>68920929
>64
He wasn't even that old. I never listened anything recorded by him. What'd he die from?

>>68921005
the aids

>>68920303
>implying you will ever find an Isolde fitting that criteria
Better of just doing Tristan+Tristan

>>68921005
a firetruck

>>68902732
Rhapsody in Blue

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>>68917153
May as well have an operetta too.

>>68921470

If you're going to include G&S (which I'm not opposed to unless it kicks out something actually worthwhile) then you should probably go for Pirates or Mikado

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Did you notice LSO's logo looks like a stick figure conductor holding a baton?

>>68922067
t. graphic designer of the LSO's logo

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>>68917153

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Are there any flowcharts for how to into classical? I can't seem to find any

Cheers

Carmen is the best opera ever probably.

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post yfw you realize that darmstadt was indisputably funded by the CIA via the OMGUS, turning literally every single note composed post-WWII into globalist meme propoganda

>>68923737
Chronological

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>>68923866
Reich will save us

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>>68923866
>dubs

What is your favourite Beethoven piano sonata and why?

>>68902732
Die Fledermaus overture

>>68923866
Wait, is this true?

>>68925438
it would not be surprising
afterall CIA/FBI funded Abstract Expressionism (Pollock, etc.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_expressionism#Abstract_expressionism_and_the_Cold_War

>>68925520
But that would make Boulez a hack

Who's your favorite Beethoven player? I don't know much about classical music but I really like Valentina Lizita.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7usUEPWsc

>>68920272
Holy fuck why do people even do this? Much better to have them digital.

Also

>implying we have the full works of these composers

>>68925947
arrau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7GftdLYSsI
gulda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5nucZunpZg

>>68925947
>Ancient memes
Edwin Fischer, Artur Schnabel, pre-war Wilhelm Kempff, Josef Hofmann
>old memes
Maria Yudina, Solomon, Wilhelm Backhaus
>no-so-old memes
Sviatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Annie Fischer, Ivan Moravec

>>68925947
If we're talking about piano, everyone will tell you to download Emil Gilels. I love Pollini.

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>motettos editions
>1 old share only
baka

Ensemble Musica Nova - Guillaume de Machaut - Les Motets (2004) (2-CD) [320kbps]
>Ars nova, Medieval Classical Music, Choral. Based XIVth French composer.
Sample: https://youtu.be/BbwjebTMveQ
Download: (1) http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/Fvnn0kqa/file.html
Download: (2) http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/o2wgeegP/file.html

>>68925947
Schiff, ignore everything else

>>68925947

What do /classical/ think about Ashkenazi?

His Hammerklavier is probably my favourite piece of music ever

>>68926750
>nazi
No thank you!

>>68926750
>nazi
No thank you!

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>>68926697
>Schiff

>>68926750
his scriabin is goat-tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFY9mj6m548
post whAt you're listening to

>>68927215

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I1TFlKaVtA

That third exposition is 10/10

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>>68926867
>anyone but Schiff

>>68927215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwQSWTw71U

now that's a transcription

>>68927215
Not listening to classical right now though, I've been broadening up what i hear so I just put random shit on Youtube. So far I've enjoyed plenty of jazz, jazz fusion and Spanish music, it's been great.

Right now I somehow wound up with French music, it's pretty comfy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FazdXycpY4Q

>>68927331

>tfw start playing piano when I was 5
>listen to Beethoven when I was 12
>it doesn't actually get better than that

I feel like I raised the bar tok high too quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBXBUjaC8xk

What do you think of CDs of opera aria collections rather than the full thing? Any favorites?

>Everything right now will be an old meme recording one day

damn...

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>>68902732
Proko 2

>>68903095
Prokofiev Concerti. Scriabin Sonatas.

Palestrina Pope Marcellus Mass and Machaut Messe de Nostre Dame too.

>>68920929
His Bartok is goat :(

>>68930179
....really makes you contemplate

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>>68893853
Threadly Vivaldi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9GPcJdB80

>>68895106
For instrumental works:
>[composer] - [work title, work number], [work opus + opus name] ([catalogue number])

For vocal works:
>[composer] - [opera name, role of singer] (range of voice) - [aria name] ([catalogue number])
>[composer] - [mass name] ([catalogue number])

What are your thought on Sviatoslav Richter?
I thought about getting his Complete Decca, Philips & DG Recordings

>>68895106
%composer/%albumartist/%year - %album/{%track - }%title.%extension

I put the performers in the album artist place.

What's the best recorded versions of Orff's work out there?
I'm thinking about the entire Trionfi, not just Carmina Burnana.

>>68932278
He's shit, get the Schiff boxset instead

>>68932727
Schitt fans are the authority on shit, after all.

>>68932742
>Schitt

>>68925520
it means only that cia had a good taste long ago

>>68923866
Hot news, what's next, Adorno was some American agent? USSR was CIA's project?

>>68932278
he's a pretty cool guy
I met him once, the time when he wore a fake beard

>>68932278
he's a big guy

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>>68917153
>>68903095
Sorry if this just ends up being too much of a mess to sort through, but I actually took a shot at compiling a list of super-essential recordings for classical novices earlier this year. Do any of these strike your fancy?

>>68934895
>karajan

but yeah shit is gud for a begining

>>68934895
Needs more chamber works desu, maybe the late Beethoven String Quartets and Brahms Clarinet + Piano Quintets?

I dig this and I think it falls into the realms of modern classical music - none of the genre tags are 'classical' but I hear classical elements. What do you guys think?

https://justeverywhere.bandcamp.com/album/the-dust-of-crushed-diamonds

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>>68935120
Ah, but what to cut is the real question.

>>68935216
Reminds me a bit of The Caretaker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ngqpMNVNU

>>68935313
Could condense the Mahler Symphonies into one recording, then cut the Schubert Quartets for the Beethoven ones?

I'm listening to Peter Serkin, a pianist, and he's humming. It reminds me Pollini also groans loudly while playing. I've heard other people do that as well. Old meme recording crackling sound quality isn't an intended part of the music either but only noobs even think about it.
Why does Gould always get singled out for humming? Is it just low hanging fruit when you want to criticize him without putting in effort or thought?

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>>68935449
Say no more.

>>68935758
Keith Jarrett also gets a lot of attention for his grunting, but as for Gould, I would say that he receives special attention because his behavior was so idiosyncratic in general. His singing during recordings was just another factor that contributed to his autistic mythos.

>>68935901
this

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>>68915857

>>68925947
>Lisitsa
Her twitter is pretty funny

>>68893853
anyone else play piano? it's really not as hard as people think. i can't sightread music but i just youtube songs and learn in 10 second chunks at a time.

The biography/life story of the guy who wrote the original story of Cunning Little Vixen is probably one of the most depressing things I've ever read.

>>68935758
>Why does Gould always get singled out for humming
why shouldn't he? humming isn't part of the instrumentation of any of the pieces he plays. It puts me off because I never know if he's humming really quietly. Makes his performances unlistenable for me. Its probably because he's the only recorded classical artist who does it. If everyone did it, he wouldn't get singled out.

>>68936174
>Its probably because he's the only recorded classical artist who does it.
This is wrong. Gould's eccentric playing is much worse than his hardly audible humming.

>>68936255
>This is wrong
so other professionally recorded classical performers hum quietly while they play? do share

>>68936277
Did you read the post you replied to? Peter Serkin, Maurizio Pollini, and Keith Jarrett hum while playing, as just a few examples. It's not that rare.

Like the other guy said, Gould's idiosyncratic interpretations are all the ammunition you need if you have a desire to criticize him.

>>68935758

Sofronitsky groaned a lot when he got really passionate
Richter loves to foot-tap loudly in some of his more passionate performances
Leibowitz groans in the Eroica Funeral March (ditto for Scherchen. and in Lugano he yells at the orchestra in the live performance)
Celibidache in his younger years loved to go "ADEE ADEE ADEE" in certain parts of the music
Steuermann was also a groaner in his piano performances
Furtwängler sings along with the chorus in the coda of Beethoven's 9th (1943 performance)
Pollini (as you say) loves to groan and moan


Honestly stuff like this doesn't bug me. There's a bunch of other stuff that you find like members of the orchestra turning pages, making thumps, etc. You're ALWAYS going to run into someone making additional noises which weren't meant to be there.

>>68935394
Yes, I think so too. Definite hints of The Caretaker. It's got that same feel. Love it.

>>68915857
Penderecki - Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima

>>68936811
This has given me some stuff to listen for. And since we listen to live recordings often, there is always somebody who coughs. Always. Or foot stomping in opera. I hear a lot of obvious page turning in string quartets even if they aren't live. It makes it a little more real to me.

>>68937065

>foot stomping in recordings of live opera performances

I can't judge from the overall context of your post, but are you complaining about this?

>>68937118
No, I don't think anyone really does.

>>68934895
Do you think you could add a fifth row? I want to expand the /mu/core chart so each individual section has 60 albums

>>68902732
Waldstein sonata

>>68919927
pls respond

>>68938151

Biber's Rosary sonatas
Other solo violin compositions by Tartini

I can't get into solo violin, it sounds like screeching, annoying noises to me.
Why is such a popular instrument? Is there any beautiful piece that can make me understand it?

>>68938242
thank you my friend

>>68934957

What's wrong with Karajan? His 9 Symphonies set is just wonderful

>>68938275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MnlnQ3PZ8A

even though the cello version sounds better to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKL3exXXjyU

>>68938275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ii7aPCQgHE

>>68938312
he hated jews

>>68936255

How can you discard his Goldberg Variations, WTC and Art of Fugue so easily?

>>68938275
you're probably just listening to bad recordings, but it did take me a while to get into them as well. Similar story with string quartets, which I felt lacked richness of sound so avoided listening to them for a few years when I was starting classical music properly.

But one day I must have listened to something or come to the realisation that it wasn't as bad as I was imagining and whilst I probably still listen to string chamber music less than other stuff, it's not because I avoid the stuff.

>>68938312
Some people consider him an overhyped Nazi riding on the prestige of the Berlin Philharmoniker. He has some good recordings but, if I had to point out something wrong with that chart, it would be his over-representation.

>>68938312
"A tendency to fetishize a particular kind of "beautiful" sound, full, compact and dominated by main melodic voices, with soft attack and broad strokes. Homogeneity takes precedence over the articulation of the particular and over contrasts. Emphasis on a metronomic beat, Karajan regards notation as essentially complete in that regard. Active involvement in the recording and mixing of his recordings, which exacerbates some of those tendencies further and produced some staggeringly unnatural-sounding records, particularly in the 70s.

Now, while this approach can produce great results in some repertoire (mostly 20th century music, like Strauss, Debussy, Schoenberg, Honegger), I feel that it runs contrary to the demands of much earlier music, especially the Austro-German classics: Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner.

All in all, Karajan was an immensely skilled conductor and orchestral trainer (which is evidenced by how similar his output with different orchestras is, at least if they're temporally close), but he developed a trademark sound which - being his trademark - he applied to everything.

He's certainly one of the great and most influential conductors of the 20th century, but his fame tends to overshadow some currents of interpretation I consider more interesting and appropriate."

l

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why don't you kids like the strauss

>>68940910
you mean strauss strauss or waltzy meme man strauss

>>68938393
>>68938427
I agree that Karajan is over-represented. However, I made the chart to reflect what most classical fans have already heard and frequently cite as reference recordings so that newcomers can have some common starting ground. The fact that Karajan takes up 1/10th of the chart simply reflects the fact that he's one of the most popular and well-regarded conductors in history.

>>68937516
Maybe someday. I'd have to think about what to add.

>>68932278
Aesthetic as fuck in every way

>>68934895
Honestly pretty shit

https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/home

has anyone bought a ticket for this, is it worth?

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>mfw Bach can't write concertos for shit and has to steal from me

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>>68942100
>mfw you wrote the same concerto 400 times

post more stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnKAQgoqZkE

>>68942583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCMMa1vhA8

>>68938329
based busch