ITT: female artists better than grimes

>>68809354
Nice try. Refine your b8ing skills.

>>68809383
Ke$ha has CLT cred.

Save for p4k tumblr cred, what does Grimes have?

>>68809383
b8?
kesha was raped while making these songs
shes already a better human being than grimes

>>68809426
>CLT
His opinion is irrelevant.

>>68809436
I don't care about her backstory. Her music is trash. Period.

>>68809507
nope its good
grimes is trash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOubzHCUt48 explain why this is a bad song i'll wait

>>68809507
>guy who invented the pleb/patrician meme
>His opinion is irrelevant.
Luk a tes prole, luk at em an laf.

>>68809547
>guy who invented the pleb/patrician meme
He invented a terrible thing. The whole board is fooled by this retarded pleb/patrician dichotomy. His music opinions are completely irrelevant.

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>>68809354
Grimes is a low test cunt.

>>68809354
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=btIKC7XQznY She's so thicc and luscious

Digits decide what the new Ke$ha album will get from P4K

>>68809383
you realize Ke$ha is 10x smarter than grimes will ever be right?

>>68809436
she wasn't

>>>/tumblr/
>>>/twitter/

>>68810406
Good joke. I'd like to see a proof. In meantime...

>A fairly regular Vancouver kid, with interests like anime, Harry Potter and Mariah Carey, it was during her adolescence that, as Garossino puts it, “something very strange happened.”

>“She changed into some kind of super-brain, exploring the internet all the time.”

>Teenage Boucher’s obsessions ranged from space travel, to the twelfth-century composer Abbess Hildegard von Bingen, to Russian existentialist lit. She crushed so hard on Dostoyevsky that she even flew to St. Petersburg to attend an intensive Russian immersion.

>But as with Grimes’ music, Boucher preferred autodidactism. Garossino recalls hearing Boucher teach one of Chopin’s nocturnes to herself, bar by bar. But only through the wall—at the time, Boucher had too much stage fright to even play the piano in front of her mother.

>“Something that people don't understand about Claire is her searing intellect and focus,” Garossino said. “Whenever you think you've figured her out, she's already three moves ahead. Things are never what they seem.”

>Her mother related how at McGill, the wunderkind wanted to take physics, but couldn’t stand introductory courses. Instead, Boucher entered higher-level classes and studied the prerequisite material at the same time. “She would nearly kill herself studying—surviving on almost no sleep for weeks at a time.”

>“And that's how she makes music today. In long, solitary blasts of blistering intensity.”

Grimes studied neuroscience, Russian literature and philosophy at McGill University. What studied that Kesha bint? The art of lip syncing?

>>68810677
Kesha Sebert scored a 1500 (out of 1600, you young kids) on her SATs, and a 140 on an IQ test—which technically makes her a genius.

"Study" doesn't mean shit dumbass. Anybody can do that shit there's no prerequisite to any of that stuff she took.
Have you ever been to college?
If she graduated then maybe you would have a point.

>>68810859
>gets btfo
>starts attacking the artist because she fell prey to the patriarchy
grimes would be disappointed in you

>>68810736
>which technically makes her a genius
A genius in what? A genius in making shitty music? If she's that smart how come she was fooled with that contract with Dr. Luke/her label?

These tests mean nothing. The real life is what counts. It's like owning a Ferrari but driving it in the mud.

>>68810677
I can go to a library right now and "study" neuroscience. Doesn't make me smart.

>>68810882
Grimes also she fell prey to the patriarchy (see what her song Oblivion is about) but she doesn't talk about that all day long.
https://www.google.com/search?q=grimes+oblivion+meanings
>gets btfo
Actually not.

>>68810896
Of course. Knowing stuff it doesn't mean you're smart, it means you have a good memory. Applying what you know in a productive way it makes you smart. And Grimes applied some of her neuroscience knowledge in her music.

>Audie Cornish: I read that you actually studied neuroscience in college? Or just the sciences generally?

>Grimes: Actually, I was in a program at McGill called Electroacoustics, where we studied a lot of how the brain interacts with music. So by the time I actually started making music, I kind of had an understanding of frequencies and kind of how the brain responds to things, which I think really helped me as a producer: Even though I had no experience playing instruments and stuff, I kind of had a basic understanding of engineering. My learning curve was maybe a tiny bit shorter than maybe someone who hadn't studied that stuff.

>>68810894
the response to this is generally that she was doing the "shitty music" thing because it pays more and she's lazy but in actuality she's just a dumb cunt with an average iq and only a good face going for her

she got swindled because she was eager to make money, and then screamed "RAPE" to get out of a contract when she realized just how long she had to make shitty music for

>>68810975
>And Grimes applied some of her neuroscience knowledge in her music.
does this make it good or better? to me it just makes it more pretentious

>>68810924
you LITERALLY DELETED YOUR POST LMAO

>>68810976
Let's separate her music from her backstory for a moment. Could someone prove it that Kesha music > Grimes music?

>>68811000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXvmSaE0JXA
songwriting and production blows any grimes song out of the water

>>68810993
I deleted it because moo still doesn't have an edit button. I reposted it immediately here >>68810894 Keep your 'btfo' to yourself.

lmao, kesha and grimes both write pop music, let's not pretend neuroscience has any bearing on it.

Just prefer who you prefer, you're all smart enough to make your own decision between those two

>>68811024
deleted cause you got btfo.
coward

>>68811000
it's not
grimes is pretty shit but she's way better than kesha

>>68811030
that said kesha is better because her songs have subversive value, and she has a unique style unlike grimes who's just another marina and the diamonds/halsey/tumblrpop icon

>>68811030
>lmao, kesha and grimes both write pop music,
Yes, but Grimes' kind of pop doesn't feel like your ordinary pop at all. This is art pop of the highest level.

It's like comparing Nickelback (Kesha) with The Cure (Grimes). Both rock bands, but the quality difference is huge.

>>68811048
>>68811053
grimes is awful compared to kesha
kesha can rap and sing 100x better than grimes wishes she could achieve

the guitar intro on this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k3CDPS_seoshits on any attempt grimes tried on AA
try harder losers

>>68811038
I explained to you why. Check the archive if you're a stubborn idiot: https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/S68809354#p68810859

>>68811053
>This is art pop of the highest level.
lmao
if grimes is art pop at the highest level then boy am i glad i don't listen to pop music at all

>>68811083
get better at trolling, my dude

>>68811096
not an argument because you can't counter me idiot

>>68811101
get better at trolling, my dude

>>68811108
not an argument

>>68811049
Really though, isn't grimes just tumblrpop? someone post a song that's actually artistic and I'll say what I think. I'm on the kesha side for now

>>68811101
okay so i know you're trolling; i'll take the bait but you're not getting any level of response beyond this: the only role kesha plays in that track is as a singer. she plays no instruments, does no track production/sound design, and does not write her own music. it is a track produced to be a top 40 hit or to be on a top 40 album, appealing to the most common denominator listener.
I think grimes is shit but she produces her own music and writes her own songs and has a "sound" because of it.

also kesha's collaborated with pitbull and probably got dicked down by the dale. grimes is a slut too, but hasn't gotten the pipe from mister 305 mister worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnmY2srJ6uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFev_mbzTak
Kesha is my girl

>>68811148
>because the artist didn't make do single thing its not good
you must be 18+ to post here
fuck off

>>68811083
You're entitled to your opinions but it doesn't mean you're right, bruh. What are your arguments, more exactly?

>>68811161
not an argument because you can't counter me idiot

>>68811089
You're missing out some great music.
>>68811129
Having a blog on tumblr =/= tumblrpop. Grimes is appreciated by the whole music world, not just tumblr. She has fans even on this cesspool.
>I think grimes is shit
Wrong opinion.
>grimes is a slut too
>projecting

>>68811173
I asked you that :)
nobody has proved why grimes is better than kesha. besides the weakest argument over "she did by herself" have you fags ever heard of classical music
grimes fans are pathetic
>>68811197
kesha has plenty of songs on youtube with 100m+ views
the world prefers kesha

>>68811197
by tumblrpop I'm referring to her sound; I didn't even know she had a tumblr herself

/mu/
where we "compare" two artists that have nothing in common while simultaneously not liking either of them
it's sort of like a musical roleplaying

post kesha's best song and grimes' best song pls

>>68811212
>kesha has plenty of songs on youtube with 100m+ views
>the world prefers kesha
the world also prefers trump so i'm not too sure if the world is a good authority on what is right and what is wrong

>>68811226
talking about music is necessarily futile in the first place on a fast paced forum such as this

>>68811239
not an argument

>>68811212
>nobody has proved why grimes is better than kesha.
It has been proven many times in the past. Read the archive, nobody will waste his time explaining that again. And btw why do you keep comparing Kesha with Grimes? Why not other artist on her level, like Katy Perry?
>the world prefers kesha
The world prefer crap. Is that a surprise? Almost anything from the top 40 is audio vomit.

>>68811261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6XpLQM2Cs
post a grimes song with better lyrics and production than that
I'll wait

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>>68811049
>Marina and grimes
>tumblrcore
leave this board immediately

>>68811275
kesha didn't write those lyrics
kesha didn't produce that song

maybe we should be saying that grimes is worse/better than kesha's songwriters and producers

>>68811296
>bwaaah someone called my waifu tumblrcore
They are tumblrcore, deal with it.

>>68811219
>by tumblrpop I'm referring to her sound
So, did you actually listen to a lot of tumblr music to make such a judgement? Why do you talk out of your ass? What other tumblr artists did music like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rVIx3VbJTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oqxz6hpGbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKooP0p7e5g
?

Gross generalisations are stupid and you know it.

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Taeyeon is FAR better than Grimes

>>68811296
if it's because I don't listen to those artists, wew, sure, why not

>>68811299
The song was produced by Dr. Luke and Benny Blanco and co-written by Kesha
try harder loser

>>68811316
it's on the tumblr spectrum. I'm just sick of and familiar with it because it's all my sister listens to. I'll admit grimes is way better than halsey or marina though, based on these

>>68811275
The hardest part is picking a Grimes song because she has so many great songs. I'd pick her most accessible and likeable, REALiTi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9XKLqGqwLA

This is just a demo but it sounds miles better than that top 40 drivel.

And another one, Butterfly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADPk5PpkjMg

>>68811366
all of this sounds like some kid messing around in ableton live
im disappointed
and don't get me started on the lyrics. This just proves why shes barely getting 1m views on her songs. its not good quality pop its water down hipster garbage

>>68811312
>>68811320
>I don't like it therefore it's tumblrcore xD

>>68811403
Because you have shit taste. These songs are some of the best pop songs I ever heard. As I said, these are her most accessible songs. She has lots of more experimental tunes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_0LzBv894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjxqYdGWjgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbiyvpel54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pEltqAXbdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_hFrJ-FM2o

That trashy Kesha couldn't even dream to make such songs.

>>68811403
>This just proves why shes barely getting 1m views on her songs. its not good quality pop its water down hipster garbage
Popularity =/= quality. Grow up, kid. And speaking of views, many of her videos have over 10 mil views: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=grimes

Genesis has over 40 mil, Oblivion has over 27 mil, Realiti has over 15 mil and so on. For an indie artist like Grimes that did everything by herself this is a huge achievement. You're comparing an industry plant (Kesha) with a a real, authentic artist (Grimes).

>>68811610
>>68811670
imma finish you losers in a couple minutes. been talking to you punks with one hand. Just let me finish watching my porn and i'll explain why grimes is trash compared to kesha

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Friendly reminder to everybody that Ke$ha has better taste than all of you

>>68811727
Let's see what you've got, punk.
>>68811747
>copy pasted that list from somewhere
>still made crap music

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>>68810989
Yes, it made it better. She knew what frequencies trigger the best response, that's why her songs are so insanely catchy. A bit manipulative, but whatever works.

>>68811089
Lol why do you think I DON'T purposefully listen to straight-up pop music? The closest thing I DO listen to is Grimes - for exactly the reasons mentioned.

>>68811747

She has good taste, her music is unique and she seems like a nice person IRL.

That doesn't make her music less shit.

>>68811129
https://youtu.be/RKQiAdB9Z78

>>68811212
>nobody has proved why grimes is better than kesha.
Because subjective opinions can't be proven or disproven.

>the world prefers kesha
The world had never had to choose BETWEEN the two - so actually no.

>>68811226
Never underestimate the power of bored people with internet connections in large groups.

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the girls in this band

>>68811312
>Unironically uses the term "Tumblrcore"

You guys realise that Grimes also said she wants to be a big pop star right? to me a lot of her music just sounds really messy and poorly sung. Kesha is a much better singer than grimes, who can only really do falsetto, probably the easiest form of female vocals. Her production is not that great and her music is DEFINITELY tumblrcore. it's so weird for the sake of being weird.

Kesha does write generic crappy pop songs which is why i don't listen to her music (but still appreciate her as an artist) but she like a lot of female popstars claims she writes those pop songs because she said "these are the songs that make people happy" (which she does write all her own songs and songs for MANY other artists from what i remember)

I feel like we will see a lot better music from Kesha once she gets out of her contract with her current label, i don't really think she's being allowed to explore her voice to it's full extent probably because they want her to produce generic pop trash.

As for musical talent Kesha excels as well, someone even said earlier in this thread that grimes admitted she doesn't or didn't play any musical instruments, meanwhile Kesha plays multiple instruments and knows music theory.

I don't really listen to either of their music and probably in general prefer Grime's general sound.. but there's absolutely no contest, Kesha is the superior musician.

>>68811321
Who was the lyracist?

>>68811403
>Admitting that you're underage

A lot of the Grimes shit sounds like retroactive self-aggrandizing mythological bullshit if they're even direct quotes

>taking upper classes while taking the pre-reqs at the same time
Uh-huh
Yeah
That's how that works

And if you've ever seen her on social media you'd realize she's not exactly the sharpest knife in the chandelier

>>68812273
>You guys realise that Grimes also said she wants to be a big pop star right?
Actually... no. Her shtick is a lot more interesting and nuanced than that. Her general musicianship is also quite extraordinary when you consider that she is a one-man band.

I have one but I don't wanna say it in fear of being the one to spark a big debate I don't wanna be a part of.

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>>68809354
Kesha was raped, please buy her music.

>>68812365
>taking upper classes while STUDYING the pre-reqs (ie. TEACHING THEM TO HERSELF ON HER OWN TIME) at the same time
Yes - smart and highly motivated.

>>68813508
But most schools don't even allow that unless you've passed a placement test fuckass ergo you can't really study that shit concurrently

>>68812273
Your whole post is a load of crap.

>You guys realise that Grimes also said she wants to be a big pop star right?
So what? She could say whatever she wants.

>to me a lot of her music just sounds really messy and poorly sung.
Because you're used to overporduced radio pop drivel. Poorly sung? It's not perfect but it's emotional and pleasant, and this is all that matters. Music is not a contest of who sings better. Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Kurt Cobain, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young aren't really the best singers, yet they're really great. Grimes is in that category.

>Kesha is a much better singer than grimes, who can only really do falsetto, probably the easiest form of female vocals.
False. Kesha sounds like your ordinary tumblr artist, Grimes has a much bigger range. Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGLvUejoRb4
Kesha sounds like a shitload of other artists, Grimes sounds like herself.

>Her production is not that great and her music is DEFINITELY tumblrcore.
Definitely, my ass. Did you actually listen to tumblrcore? Why do you talk about things you don't know about?

>it's so weird for the sake of being weird.
No. She's genuinely weird, right from the start.

>Kesha does write generic crappy pop songs which is why i don't listen to her music (but still appreciate her as an artist) but she like a lot of female popstars claims she writes those pop songs because she said "these are the songs that make people happy" (which she does write all her own songs and songs for MANY other artists from what i remember)
Kesha is an industry plant, paid to perform songs written and produced by others, Grimes is an authentic artist. Spot the difference.

>>68812273
>I feel like we will see a lot better music from Kesha once she gets out of her contract with her current label, i don't really think she's being allowed to explore her voice to it's full extent probably because they want her to produce generic pop trash.
I highly doubt it. You're too much of a Kesha fanboy to admit the cold hard truth: she sucks.

>As for musical talent Kesha excels as well, someone even said earlier in this thread that grimes admitted she doesn't or didn't play any musical instruments, meanwhile Kesha plays multiple instruments and knows music theory.
She never admitted that, you're talking out of your ass. Grimes in a nutshell:

>Instruments:
- vocals
- synthesizer
- sampler
- guitar
- bass
- drums
- violin
- ukulele

>Skills:
- singer
- songwriter
- producer
- sound engineer
- lyricist
- live performer
- visual artist
- music video director & editor
- dancer
- model

>I don't really listen to either of their music and probably in general prefer Grime's general sound.. but there's absolutely no contest, Kesha is the superior musician.
Your arguments are ridiculous at best. And you also said you didn't even really listen to either of them, so you're not really the best judge here. Kesha is superior when I'll be the president of the USA.

>>68813749
all this long list of shit
and her music can't even top this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR_qa3Ohwls

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>>68813706
>Joni Mitchell
>Not the best singer

You've gone too far, sir.
I can deal with everything else. NOT that...

>>68813367
You're acting like grimes is the only person in this history of forever to completely make her own music. there are hundreds, if not thousands of electronic musicians who produce all their own music, as one of them i know it's really not all that fucking hard. she's not a revolutionary for understanding FL studio.

>>68813773
>all this long list of shit
>posts a shit song instead
I get it, you're a Kesha fanboy ("I don't really listen to either of their music" = a big fat lie) but get some perspective: Kesha is trash and no matter what you think about her, she will never be even 1/10 as good as Grimes. Be a man and accept the facts.

>>68813933
explain why shes trash
if you compare her lyrics to grimes and the production
grimes loses everytime
stop being a pretentious hipster

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>>68813903
Not that anon, but let's put it this way: how many female artists (besides Bjork and Kate Bush) do you know to sing, to write and produce all their songs, to be a sound engineer, to draw the artwork, direct & edit the videos and on top of that, to be able to entertain crowds with a live show and do some modelling and dancing? Post your list.

>>68814003
this is some of the saddest strawmen shit i've seen
you dance around the main aspect of a music board.
its basically "yeah her music is okay but she's also does this so of course shes good"
pathetic

>>68813948
>if you compare her lyrics to grimes and the production
What lyrics? Tik-tok bullshit? What production? That overproduced generic radio friendly crap that sounds like plastic?

Grimes is superior in every single way. This song alone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9YoYCKNoE is superior to all Kesha songs put together.

>>68814041
He was specifically answering to >>68813903

>You're acting like grimes is the only person in this history of forever to completely make her own music

>>68814041
>this is some of the saddest strawmen shit i've seen
It was a direct reply to >>68813903 It was 100% on topic, what strawmen do you see? Are you this delusional?

>>68809354
OP, all in all, you're basically a cocksucker for this baity lame title:
>ITT: female artists better than grimes

You wrote only subjective shit backed by thin air. Where the fuck are your arguments?

she's a 5/10 at best

>>68813622

Right you are:
>So I have to tell you, we actually go way back. I'm from Vancouver as well, and my mom tutored you in math.
>Oh my God. Are you serious? What was her name? Short, dark hair.
>
>Yep, Val.
>Yes! Oh, does she hate me?
>
>No, not at all! She actually read an article about you that came out a while ago and e-mailed me to tell me. She said it actually made a lot of sense that you ended up pursuing something creative.
>And got kicked out of math.
>
>No, what happened? Did you pass?
>I passed! I got 92 percent on the final.
>
>That's amazing.
>Tell her. Tell her I aced the final! You should tell her I actually lied and got into the McGill physics program and I didn't have calculus or anything, and I got a B-minus, which is very impressive.
http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/grimes-on-math-memes-and-breathing-problems.html

Translation: she's so smart that she managed to completely game the system.

>>68813903
>You're acting like grimes is the only person in this history of forever to completely make her own music.
In the context of contemporary female popsters working at her level of fame/notoriety (eg. she was the ONLY female-fronted act to headline at this year's Glastonbury other than Adelle) what she has done/is doing is virtually unprecedented.

>she's not a revolutionary for understanding FL studio.
Understanding? No. Utilizing it (and the tools out there like it) in a such an expert fashion as to forge an independent road to widespread success? Probably.

>>68814859
that's wrong

>>68809354
Björk
Laurel Halo
Fatima al Qadiri
Holly Herndon
Liz Harris
Danielle Baquet-Long
Diamanda Galás

>>68809354
Madonna

>>68813903
There aren't any independent artist who can say they achieved her level of success. At her roots, she's still an amateur artist, only she's making critically acclaimed work entirely from a bedroom.

>>68815588
tame impala does all of that and is more acclaimed

>>68815588
that's wrong

>>68815118
Only Bjork is as good as Grimes. The other ones are "experimental" hacks that can't write a decent tune to save their lives.
>>68815202
No.
>>68814405
Not even a 5/10. Ke$ha is untalented.

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I love triggering Grimesfags daily

If you legitimately believe that Art Angels was a better album than Have You In My Wilderness, then you're probably retarded.

>>68816339
>probably retarded.
Lol

Weak b8 - the /mu post.

>>68815618
>>68815679
So?

>>68815897
she's freckle town

>>68816339
>implying they didn't trigger you even more
Have You In My Wilderness is boring af. Art Angels is the real deal, deal wit it.

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>>68816339
Loud City Song might be my album of the decade so far

>mfw saw her live and she played Running Through My Eyes as an encore

>>68817092
that's wrong