/classical/

bemp

Nice links fgt

can someone give me a torrent link for classical essentials?

>>68737350

>in after how do I into classical?
>General Folder #1. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical. Also contains a folder of live recordings/recitals by some outstanding performers.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General Folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes recordings of music by Bach, Mozart and others.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>General Folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>General Folder #4. Renaissance up to early/mid-20th century. Also contains a folder of Scarlatti sonate and another live recording/recital folder.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
>General Folder #5. Renaissance up to late 19th century.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
>General Folder #6. Very eclectic mix.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!O8pj1ZiL!mAfQOneAAMlDlrgkqvzfEg
>Renaissance Folder #1. Mass settings.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Renaissance Folder #2. Motets and madrigals (plus Leiden choirbooks).
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera Folder. Contains recorded video productions of about 10 well-known operas, with a bias towards late Romantic.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Crudblud stuff
http://crudblud.sjm.so/

also no torrent fuck you

>>68735720
>that picture

Holy shit, when was this made?

>tfw listening to Rihm's choral works all day

Really good stuff

Way to start off with a meme composer

>>68739694
The only composer who isn't a meme is Milhaud

Isn't Bernardo Bertolucci supposed to be making a film about Gesualdo?

>>68739726
Milhaud isn't a meme composer is a meme my friend ;)

>>68740791
I know, and I'm pretty sure I invented it.

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>>68740809

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sup, guys

i was hearing chopin's the nocturne and i simply loved that song

gotta love classical

can you rec more like that?

>>68741184
me in the middle

>>68739180

It's OC.

Is classical music fame dead?

Will someone ever become as celebrated as Bach and Beethoven?

How do you guys know which performers are the best? I don't want to spoil my first listening of a great composer with shitty performers.

>>68741837
by comparison

if you listen to the best ones first you won't realize what makes them good

>>68741836
There are plenty of living composers who are celebrated, but they aren't popularly known. Probably the only one who is is Philip Glass.

>Want to go to local concerts.
>No one I know is into classical music.
>Don't really want to go alone.

;_;

>>68741836
dylan won the lit nobel prize, kek

>>68741913
You will realize what makes the worse ones bad once you listen to them, though.

What's the deal wit John Cage? Am I actually supposed to listen to his music and appreciate him or do I just have to appreciate the fact that that music is out there?

>>68741995
nope, just a troll

>>68741961
And to think of all the genuinely great poets they could have given it to.

>>68741970
true, but maybe not in the beginning

it becomes easier and easier to identify good performances as you become more acquainted.

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>Ivan Moravec left us without recording Schubert, Grieg, Faure, Scriabin, or more Schumann
>Debussy dead at 55 and left us wondering what he might've done in 20's and 30's
>Schubert dead at 31
>Stravinsky tortured us with his neoclassical and serialist crap for 30 years
>Gershwin dead at 37
>Cage shat out shit for almost 60 years
>Ives losing his ability to compose

What are /classical/ regrets fellow anons? What was most tragic in the history of art music

>>68742165
Mahler dying before he could leave us more compositions and/or a recording of him conducting

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>>68742165

>Bach died due to a eye surgery infection

How extreme is that death? Jesus Christ, I can almost see him screaming with gory shit on his eyes for 3 days and then die without concluding his Contrapunctus XIV.

>tfw the first exposition of his Contrapunctus XIV is your favourite music
>tfw you will never get to fully listen to it because Bach had to die horribly

>>68742165
Mozart lived far too long.

>>68742220
I would've loved to hear how he conducted the Faun

>>68741995
>>68742008

His piano stuff is great desu

>>68742165
Berg and Webern dying way too early

>>68742220

>Mahler died in 1911 with just a handful of truly blissful compositions

Well, at least we don't have to debate on why did he support the Nazi party. Considering how much did he care about his public image we can say that he missed a bullet.

>>68742254

I don't remember the name of the compositions but I've heard a few piano pieces of his (included the ones for Prepared piano).
They were uninteresting at best. The pianos one were usually a few broken chords played for minutes, the ones for prepared piano were just a few riffs repeted again for minutes.

I understand the philosophical interest on his writings, but am I really supposed to listen to that and go ''mmh, that sounds good, it really speaks to me''?

>>68742254
>>68742317
Just listen to Cowell, His piano experiments are more harmonically interesting

>>68742262
Webern is also another composer/conductor we should have had more recordings from
According to Berg he was very much like Mahler in terms of conducting style and ability

>>68742317
Read that as Mahler died in 9/11 for a second.

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>composed in a serialistic form with his 1913 Ballet Jeux
>His late sonatas returned to a French classicist form, predicting what Stravinsky and other Neoclassicists would do in the 20's and 30's
>late etudes suggest his harmonic language was going beyond the modernism and Jazz he would influence in years to come

What was his endgame? What was music gonna sound like after WW1

Why was he such a trend setter and Stravinsky such a trend follower?

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>>68742645

>>68742645
>implying Liszt didn't anticipate nearly everything that Debussy ever wrote

What did Beethoven look like in his performance? Was he making odd faces when he was playing his sonatas? Did he look like a madman when conducting?

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>>68742671

>>68742671
>implying I said otherwise
>implying he didn't continue and diverge Liszt's genius

I'm a Lisztbro fellow Lisztian

Years of Pilgrimage is still one of the greatest epochal Piano compositions of all time, alongside the Art of Fugue and Beethoven's Sonatas

>>68742726

kek

>>68742731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwQYnz6WZ2Y

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>>68742779
It must've been insane to hear a piano sound like this in the 1880's

Without this we wouldn't have any of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cumoVX7x3Zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXVFJf_Oxkw

But the ideas are expanded upon without losing any sense of influence or Individuality

Late Liszt is best Liszt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me3ePWdk3nE

>>68742666
>those digits

top kek,

Stravinsky was a disappointment after 1945

He was best when he was Russian, not a Frenchman or an American

hey who wants my dick in their body?

(while bach is playing to keep it music related)

((women only))

(((okay maybe really passable Ames to but I have a high bar)))

>>68742973
no

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>>68742973
>women only

>>68742515
>very much like Mahler in terms of conducting style and ability
>in terms of conducting ability
Mahler was the greatestconductor of all time you know

>>68743150
We'll never know for sure

>>68743150

How can you know it since there are no live recordings of his?

>>68742236
Fuck off Gould.

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how does it feel classical cucks

>>68743530
Haha yeah, he's basically on the level of Barney the Dinosaur.

>>68743530

I don't really care about it, the modern concept of genre doesn't really apply to classical music.

>>68743530
>white patriarchy trying to devalue the music of Black composers

>>68744085
>Claire de lune will always be taken out of context of the suite

Shame, the Suite along with the Forgotten Images are the best of the early Debussy pieces

>>68742165
>Philip Glass never composed that opera on the life of Adolf Hitler
>or the one on Charlie Chaplin
Honestly, those would probably be far more interesting than any of the other shit he made on Akhenaten and Gandhi.

How does /classical/ feel about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXY-Hp-m7_g
?

>>68745612
>Boulez never made that opera on Waiting for Godot he though about making
>Boulez is dead and Glass is still alive

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sj-NKqR0tw
Holy fucking shit lads the Chorale in this is actually amazing. Why did I doubt bog?

>>68742165
>scriabin died young
>julian scriabin died too young to continue his fathers legacy
>you will never recover the burned Geirr Tveitt scores
>you will never hear Sibs 8
>you will never hear prokofievs 6th piano concerto
>holst died just when he started to experiment heavily with polytonality

Totally serious here...
Whats the point of listening to classical music when progressive rock, jazz, metal and avant garde do literally the same thing but better in every way? Voice can add a whole other instrument to the movements and jazz and avant garde are well, more technical and complex. Is classical music the ULTIMATE poseurcore?

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>>68746816

>>68746816
>Voice can add a whole other instrument
>there's a Bach cantata literally in the previous post

>>68746712
>Holst
Who cares. Give us a finished Bruckner 9.

>>68746868
it sucks though

>>68746873
Bruckner 9 ends fine the way it is. Bruckner's finales were almost always the weakest link of his music anyway, (aside from the 5th where it's actually the best part).

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>>68746873
True. Bruckner is a GOAT.

Holst could've wrote great music though but he chose to be a neoromantic cuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_DsQFfehGE

>>68746923
>Bruckner is a GOAT.
sounds like a goat too

>>68746923
Holst is more very late romantic than neoromantic I think

>>68746816
None of those use the same instruments, sound good or use the same techniques. They also all suck.

>>68747312
t. fedora classicalist

>>68747352
- person who uses the t. meme

>>68747372
t. redditor

>>68746816
(You)

>>68746937
lol
let's find out what animal is your favorite composer
Stravinsky - Platypus
Rachmaninoff - giraffe
Beethoven - wolverine

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>>68742165
>Purcell died at 36
>Pergolesi died at 26
>Lully died at 54
>Corelli died at 59
UMM?!?!

>year of our lord 2016
>still wasting time listening to other composers than Mozart
Explain yourselves right now, you philistines.

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>tfw Ravel was a "painstaking" composer
>tfw you can easily listen to his entire ouevre in under a week

I don't know what to do. He's my favorite composer, but I feel like if I finally listen to literally everything he made it'll be like killing him. I don't think I can deal with knowing there's nothing left by Ravel for me to hear. Please help

>>68748121
But anon, you can listen to it over and over again.

Man, think how Webernfags must feel. They can literally finish off his entire works in, like, 5 hours.

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>>68748133
That's even scarier, man. It sucks especially for classical music because you know with contemporary bands there will always be someone to emulate their style, but many classical composers have such a strongly individual style that they can never be replicated, only referenced.

I guess my question is why the fuck do people have to die? What's the point of music if cool people can't keep making it forever? This sucks

What would you recommend for a newfag that likes Debussy, Faure, and Chopin? Any pieces you like by the aforementioned?

>>68742317

>but am I really supposed to listen to that and go ''mmh, that sounds good, it really speaks to me''?

It just sounds good if you like it. He is obviously not the best pianist or composer, but he still made a few (5 or so) piano pieces that i like. This one is my favourite, and I don't think too many people have heard it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYu3EYwhUpk

>>68747932
Lully could have lived longer if he actually had good hand-eye coordination.

>>68746712

>you will never recover the burned Geirr Tveitt scores

I didn't know anyone outside of Norway even knew about this guy, nice.

>>68750725
Korleis veit du at han ikkje er norsk? :^)

>>68750756

kom deg tilbake til norgetråden, snarest.

>>68750813
"nei"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXRDqcqVZjk#t=5m27s

what song is this

>>68742165
>Wunderlich fell down some stairs and died at 36
>Alain took down 16 German soldiers with him before he died at 29

>>68751021
get your weeb shit out of here

>>68742866
>tfw Christus never gets performed even though it's like Wagner combined with Messiah with loads of quotations of chant throughout

>>68746712
>You will never hear a proper opera from Sibelius combining Wagnerian influences with Finnish folklore
>You will never hear the 3rd movement of Janacek's piano sonata
>You will never hear Bach's take on the Luke Passion or the 'proper' version of his Mark Passion

Clicked some of the links on here and gotta say this is truly nice to listen to

>>68746969
Was heavily influenced by Stravinsky, but yeah not really neoromantic when romanticism was still sort of going at the time

>>68751343
>doesn't know

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>tfw listening to the live Fricsay Verdi requiem and hear the soprano soloist switch into an incredibly crunchy and tortured chest voice for the end of the first bar in pic related

Hng

>>68751516

You gotta link that, son.

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>>68746861
Why is Holst so smuk in that pic?

You guys like French organ music here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdj8nn5nLvk

>>68751971
Maybe the picture was taken immediately after he realized that he had managed to forever scam anglocucks into thinking his music is actually worth anything

>>68741940
I go alone to classical concerts all the time.

>>68751999
Maybe. Have some playing by Cochereau.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWhaTNi0b-8

>>68741940
>live in shithole middle of nowhere
>almost no local concerts at all to go to

JUST

>>68751999

Holst is a great entry-level composer.

>>68752578
He's SHIT just like literally every english composer after Purcell.

>>68746912

I guess you just don't really care about music. You just want the same 3 insturments to accompany your favourite lyrics.

>>68741940

>tfw just missed Mahler's 5th live cause I was too autistic to go there by myself

life is pain

>>68739120 will download in a bit, thank you!!

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>>68742165

>Scriabin was becoming exponentially weirder and more avant-gard while still making legit masterpieces
>dies in his '30s cause of a shaving infection

It does actually make me mad

>>68753189
wew, glad I don't shave anymore

>>68742232

Jesus Christ, this broke my heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8T-aM6jmGw
this was written independently of Schoenberg

>>68742232
funny that both bach and handel were blinded and died because of the same charlatan ophthalmologist

Music similar to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZFEuP_VPE8

>>68752917
I m-might go to concerts with you, senpai~

>>68742719

Nobody?

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>>68739655
my nigger

>>68739655
>>68755546
Rihm please stop fucking shilling your stuff here nobody cares

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So, I'll just leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ialsac2dcE

tl;dr Georg Friedrich Haas, Columbia professor, pretty boy leftist composer (wrote "In Vain" to protest the rise of the nationalist Austrian Freedom Party), is a BDSM dom with a fat black chick.

I'm too high for this.

Also contemporary classical general.

>>68755673
oops fukkkc

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>>68755571

Faggot do you even understand sonata form?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0ojZyOI_xc

>>68755571
>tfw a girl will never Rihm you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ph_jLOawE

dudes, why is the 4th Piano Concerto by Beethoven so good? The melody, especially found in the orchestral accompaniment, is plain awful; but yet I find it to be such a powerful piece nonetheless, especially in the piano playing.

>>68756759
Beethoven's genius is turning shitty melodies into great music

>>68756759
>The melody, especially found in the orchestral accompaniment, is plain awful; but yet I find it to be such a powerful piece nonetheless, especially in the piano playing.

That's literally what he was going for, and we have thousands of letters to prove it.

>>68741940
Live in the SF Bay Area, dude? I know this feel

>>68756784
Best example of this is Diabelli
God that theme is dogshit, but he does really good stuff with it regardless.

>>68755673
It seems interesting, but Haas will always be one of my all-time favorite composers.

>>68757131
Hass*
I have the issue of always mispelling his name though.

>>68742232
ever hear Zoltan Goncz's completion? I don't think Bach would've added the 5th voice at the end, but the full permutation matrix/fourth exposition is fucking sublime. It works out too well for Bach not to have intended it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcRDfiRpuns

>>68751971
Was singing at a memorial service earlier and the organist played something from Widor's 6th organ symphony which is a gr8 piece

>>68751830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtSuVMXLpM

Rex Tremendae starts at 26.39
Section I highlighted in particular starts at 28.08 and filthy soprano chesting is at 28.54 ish

>>68757205
Wew, I'm retarded, I actually wrote it properly the first time.

>>68753189
>implying Mysterium wasn't going to be an embarrassment as Scriabin memes about and buys into his own hype

>>68755141
I think his conducting is supposed to have deteriorated with his hearing. Like the premiere of the 9th, when the orchestra were told to ignore Beethoven and follow the concertmaster instead

>>68755673
Yeah, probably the only composer whose wikipedia pages talks about their BDSM lifestyle.

I think I found his wife on twitter or instagram or something

>>68757276
>Yeah, probably the only composer whose wikipedia pages talks about their BDSM lifestyle.
um check the thread edition

There is Petzold. And there are others.

>>68756759
Really dislike Beethoven 4 for some reason. First two movements feel like Beethoven wrote a sonata and needed to fill in some gaps with orchestra. 3rd movement is pretty good, but after the first two I'm often not in the mood and would rather just listen to a late Mozart concerto instead

>>68757309
>killing someone because they cucked you is the same as BDSM

>>68757359
look at the goddamn wikipedia article you retard

Mozart honestly had the best sexual fetishes

>>68757377
Why are the greatest artistic geniuses always into poop? Mozart, James Joyce, the list could go on...

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is there a method of pirating sheet music? like rutracker for scores?

>>68757359
sorry for calling you a retard, that was mean

>>68757424
going to kill myself now

But yes, I concede the point.

>>68757414

IMSLP.org

>>68755673
Germans were a mistake

t. God

Is there even a point in trying to become a great pianist at 20?

I've played classical guitar for my whole life and recently the instrment's limitations have started to become unbearable for me. I truly feel that I can't achieve greatness without a piano.

How limiting is my age? Are there things that I won't ever be able to do because I've started so late?

>>68757653

Starting as a adult is a disadvantage but the truth is that your natural talent and work ethic are more important in determining how far you will make it. It might not be possible for an adult beginner to become professional-level (just as it's not possible for >99.9% of people who started playing as kids) but one with strong talent and work ethic could likely reach the "good advanced amateur" level.

>>68757653
You probably won't become an international concert sensation, but with enough practice you might be able to become fairly competent

>>68757762
>>68757757

My current goal is to learn how to play Bach's Art ofFugue and to be proficient enough to compose my own music.

>>68757535
for some reason, I thought that was paid-only. thanks.

>>68757916

If you don't have an account it takes an extra 15 seconds to download the scores, but you can still get them free.

>>68757847

Doable. Get atleast 3 hours of practice a day for the next 5-10 years and you should be set

>>68757847
Bit memey, but this might be of interest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNyUOCpMKbs&t=0s

>>68758014

Why? Is that pianist a late starter?

>>68758001

3 hours is way less than what I used to play on guitar daily. I really don't have many things that make me happy, but playing music really does that for me. I basically always have a guitar in my hands when I'm at home.

>>68758049
Read the video description

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>>68739120
HMU with that Debussy chart

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>>68735720
>yfw Beethoven composed metal centuries before it was a thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q64VUslNgSI

@5:20

>yfw Beethoven translates almost perfectly to metal without making significant changes to his music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZuSaudKc68

>>68758001
>stopped playing for 3 years
>wanna get into piano again
>was playing sonatas, waltzes, invention in 2 voices, duets and composing a bit
>consider starting with Chopin waltz and fucking Bach Minuets
>end up playing a Mozart Sonata

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taUm0cZreak

>I'm actually able to play this
>it's easier to read now

Why?

>>68758657

Did Jazz too

>>68758657
Sounds like shit baka

>>68758715

I've experienced the same thing and you're not the first person who I've heard describe this.

Something something learning a piece is like preparing for a fight something something you eventually peak in terms of awareness and concentration on a particular piece something something coming back years later restarts the concentration period, but a lot of basic muscle memory is intact, so you can peak at a higher level this time.

Rec. babby's first composer

>>68759194
petzold

>>68759194
Vivaldi, because his shit is fun and simple
Beethoven, because he's a meme and 14th piano sonata

>>68746712
amen

>>68742165

Mostly composers dying too young and losing works
Ravel died too soon: "I've still so much music in my head.I have said nothing. I have so much more to say."
Scriabin, Baines, Griffes, Pierre-Octave Ferroud, Hans Rott, Alain, Gershwin all died too soon as well.
Roslavets' lost works
Mosolov getting jailed and losing his futurist drive
Stanchinsky dying young and destroying many of his works
then theres all the composers works which are ignored and unrecorded, meaning ill probably never hear them in my lifetime


like gabriel von wayditch, joseph marx etc

>>68748121
then theres abel decaux with clairs de lune being his only work which is a masterpiece

also jean hure


look to emmanuel or florent schmitt for similar piano works

>>68748177
glad im not the only person who adores stanchisnky

>>68750725
hes pretty big on here it seems.

>>68759194
bach

>>68758389
>Debussy
Fucking reddit weaboo fuck off

>>68757240
he knew he woudlnt be able to finish it to the standard that he wanted, and that crushed him. he was slowly starting to understand he would either be viewed as a lunatic or worse, a fraud. in a way he was destined to fail at finishing the mysterium. ive seen it speculated that due to his stress from all this his immune system became compromised which led to the infection.

a;lso why the fuck hasnt anyone recorded the rest of nemtin's stuff. krein too. both of which have quite an impressive scriabinesque output.

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>intellectual and humane germanic style
>articulate phrasing with rock solid technique
>discovered by Nikisch
>grew up in the 19 century watching some of the greats perform live
>humiliated Bela Bartok in a piano competition
>best Chopin etudes
>best Beethoven
>best Mozart, Haydn and Bach
>friends with Adolf Hitler

How can anyone else compete?

>>68760276
Papillons pls go.

Anybody got a link for the new Anna Netrebko? Sorry, guilty pleasure.

>>68758657
>look how wanky this piece sounds when you play it on guitar!
How much metal do you actually listen to?

>>68746816
>progressive rock, jazz, metal and avant garde do literally the same thing but better in every way
other way around faggot.

Whats the point of listening to progressive rock, jazz and metal when classical music does literally the same thing but better in every way?

Also just fyi Avant garde isn't a genre, it simply means people who are ahead of the rest, they could be working in any genre. There is avant garde in classical, in popular music, anywhere, and it changes year to year. its not really one thing.

>>68752605
You clearly dont know much about classical music, nor have you listened to any of Holsts music beyond mars the bringer of war.

my knowledge of classical music is that of a 4th grader. i enjoy chopin's nocturnes.

how do i proceed?

>>68761519
see
>>68759217

>>68746816
no other genre of music has the same compositional complexity. off the top of my head, I can think of polyphony, thematic development, and polytonality being nearly unheard of outside classical

>>68761519
szymanowski op 9, op 4
scriabin anything up to op 30

>>68753481
Opthamologists really are cruel people.

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>>68755673
He seems like the John Green of Classical Music.

>>68759194
Vivaldi or Holst

I don't know much about anything classical related, but I've been listening to some sonatas and I like Waldstein from Beethoven and Liszt's sonata in B minor.
Some recs?

>>68762133
see
>>68761541

>>68762133
if you like liszts sonata youll like reubke's sonata

>>68755673
Grisey and Murail>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that fucking cuck

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>>68759862
Get out pleb

>>68757131
>>68757205
>>68757223
That's what happens when you listen to shit

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>>68759487
>>68762007
>Vivaldi is simple
Am I being memed

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I cannot stop listening to Paganini's 24th caprice
It's the ultimate earworm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uALsg4aWKB0
No wonder so many composers were obsessed with it and wrote variations

>>68762864
Paganini was breddy gud in my opinion, you should also check out his 1st and 5th caprice as well. I recently learned that he copied someones work at one point and people will also tell you he emulated others styles but that doesn't really bother me.

>>68762864
I can't get into solo violin.
Am I a pleb?

>>68762864
maybe someday I'll be able to play it.

>>68763157
Neither can I. Shit hurts my ears worse than the harpsichord.

>>68763112
Ya, I may not know much, but the full-orchestra parts of this sound like Mozart to me
https://youtu.be/1NK6QsnPKJU?t=2m58s

>>68762864
>plagiarized from Biber
Lmao it's hilarious how plebians attribute "catchiness" to Paganini. His own talent was masturbating on the violin.

>>68763291
>Biber
Never heard of the guy
https://youtu.be/AWb5-llJJlU?t=45s
and this is fucking great

>>68763352
You've never heard of Justin Bieber? Have you been living under a rock for the past five years?

>>68741837
http://www.scaruffi.com/music/classica.html

>>68742719
From what I understand, yes he did look rather like a madman when he was conducting: he would crawl on the floor at the softer parts and jump in the air at the louder parts.

>>68763427
this list gets me everytime

>>68763534
How does it compare to this one?

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Satoru/1001_classical_recordings_you_must_hear_before_you_die__2007_us_edition_/1/

>>68763427
Did he pick the most eye straining background color on purpose?

>>68763427
>go to his piano concertos list
>Rachmaninoff 2nd is in his top 10
I'm disappointed in him.

>>68763427
>Hantai's Scarlatti
It ain't all bad.

>>68763689
Both have plenty of performances I don't like, but most "lists" do. I don't think they're necessarily terrible lists in and of themselves

>>68763427
>all that Shostakovich

>>68763810
He really, really, really likes Shostakovich.

>>68763829
At least he properly rates the 15th as one of his best symphonies
Honestly only the 10th, 14th, and 15th are good

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>tfw there's never any Weber love on /classycool/

>>68764004
Youc ould always post some. It's not like /classical/ ever talks about MY favorite composer.

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Post a composer's most representative work.

I'm gonna start with Chopin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RrT6hMOgI

>>68764551
>hardly representative of his work
That's probably the greatest /classical/ meme in the past year.

>>68762864

Aw dude, this is the shittiest version i've ever heard. I would link you a better performance but just anything will be better than that.

>>68764775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFjdDP7bC24

>>68759194
Dvorak

>>68759194
Brahms

>>68742165
Furtwangler going deaf and dying in the 50s, Cantelli's plane crash

>>68742165
Boulez didn't live to be 100+ years old like Carter.

>>68765838
i'm a pretty big fan of Furtwangler. but post 1950 he started to lose a lot of vitality and many of his recordings made 1951-1954 bore me a lot.

biggest Furt regret will be those Stereo recordings made in WWII forever lost or rotting away in some Russian archive

>>68766387
He got pretty close.

>>68741940
>Needing someone else to go listen music
>They won't bother you during the concert
>Plebs will sit still and listen to music for anything over 10 minutes

>>68759194
Bach so you can tell your kid when he grows up that Bach is a fraud and Petzold is the real deal.

>>68766411
His hearing rapidly worsened after 1952; by 1954 even with headphones and loudspeakers he was missing cues. It makes the Lucerne Beethoven 9 all the more amazing though.

>tfw you'll never hear the La Scala Parsifal nor the St. Florian Bruckner 9, both of which were recorded and lost

>>68742165
>Hofmann being an alcoholic

>>68759194
Where to begin with Petzold or Vivaldi or Bach?

>>68739120
which one should i start with knowing that i mainly listen to metal and more generally """"violent"""" rock?

>>68768850
petzold

Just thought I might post some Charles Wourinen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnuC5o_Iwn0&list=LLV1FMcdmOEPVhOybhgcgIIQ&index=7

>>68768850
Start with memes. Vivaldi - Four Seasons. Bach - 1st Cello Suite

>>68764827
https://youtu.be/KAQY-PHGNvc?t=8s
found an obscure swing version

>>68768875
Beethoven

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>>68739120
Is pic related in those folders? If not, can a kind anon upload it? It's not in the archive anymore and soulseek is being a pain in the ass.

>>68772522
I may have it somewhere, but don't hold your breath. I think the only Shosti quartets in the mega links is a few recorded by the Hagen quartet

Recorded a couple of albums with the quartet though. Current first violin is ferocious (only founder member left is the violist though)

>>68772522
4544699

>>68772619
Neat, I will check it in the folders then. Thank you!

Start with Bach (entry level)
And end with Mozart (exit level)

>>68772711
This, Mozart is the end of music.

>>68751516
Still hnngging over this desu.

What is the best recording of the Planets? should we make a chart for the best recordings of meme pieces?

>>68768875
Liszt, rachmoninoff,provokiev, stavenhagen and maybe ligeti

>>68768875
beethoven sonatas

>>68768875
Can't forget Bartok

>>68773971
>>68774296
>>68774001
>>68771993
Thanks a lot. A few names I already know but never really listened, so I'll go for it.

>>68773971
Also isn't it Prokofiev and not Provokiev ?

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>>68768850
Youtube.

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>>68773880

Why does everyone hate Wagner?

>>68775374
I don't. He's one of my favorite composers.

>>68775374
A few options:

a) They hate German music on principle (see: bogposter)
b) They have a short attention span and so paying attention to something for several hours is anathema to them
c) They don't like Wagner's antisemitism and how they perceive it manifests in his oeuvre

These are the main ones. Can't say I understand them though; if I could experience piece of music again for the first time, it would be the Ring cycle

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>>68775374
Because he's fucking boring

>>68775956
Ah, so reason b.

>>68776015
Gracefully meme'd, sir.

>>68775374

The sheer lenght of his work will be a no-no for most people.
When you talk to people that are capable to listen to something for 4 hour straight you will usually find supportive opinions. I don't think I've ever met any Wagner-hater in 5 years of music college.

Post 1 (One) excerpt that will want to make anyone listen to Wagner

protip: you can't, because it's all boring

>>68776849
Umm... literally everyone loves the fucking Ride of the Valkyries, bitch

>>68776912
Nice commercial music lmfao

>>68776849

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfprcvuHoG8

>>68776939
It's used all the time in pop culture becasue it's great.

>>68776998
lol

>>68776998
>popular = great
stop using this argument

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>>68742165
pls don't remind me
:'(

>>68776849

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyypHlrZsgg

Get some pure triumph and joy perfectly translated into music

>>68777182
I didn't, retard, but somehow in your autistic fit of irrational Wagner-hate you forgot to realize that >>68776939 is literally using the popular = bad argument. Please learn some basic reading comprehension.

>>68777288

Commercial is different than popular, it's way lower than that, it's basically the ultimate form of selling out.

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Has there ever been a better piano trio
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Og5aECH3Y&t=1651s

or symphony
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs0FVs74gT8

than Schubert's?

I cry to myself sometimes when I think that schubert never got to hear his 9th symphony played, I feel guilty for being able to :'(

>>68776849
https://youtu.be/5A-Y6ULx3YI?t=300

>>68777314
Brahms

>>68777306
Nearly every composer pre-1950s has at least one "commercial" composition
Mozart probably has the most out of any composer

>>68777306

Is that you Adorno?

>Among the functions of the leitmotiv can be found, alongside the aesthetic one, a commodity-function, rather like that of an advertisement: anticipating the universal practice of mass culture later on, the music is designed to be remembered, it is intended for the forgetful. And if the capacity for musical understanding is equated, broadly speaking, with the ability to remember and anticipate then the old anti-Wagner slur that he was writing for the unmusical can be said to have a certain critical justification alongside its reactionary message.

>>68777306
I'm sure Wagner is bathing in all those royalties.

>>68777336
teach me how to like brahms

>>68777348
I wonder how Adorno felt when Schoenberg BTFO'd him

>>68777345
>>68777348
>>68777350

To be fair I didn't read first quote, I was just talking about the difference bewteen being commercial and being popular.

Yeah, that guy is a retard.

>>68776849

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKKKjiWBZ9w

>>68777314
why was schubert so big and fat in his later years

>>68777484

>The lack of any curiosity on the part of the Hartmann brothers in Schubert's inner life may be ascribed to the composers unprepossessing, perhaps even rather seedy, appearance - short and overweight, balding, and probably with a pallor that indicated some years of ill health.

Schubert had a hard life

>>68757399
>can fap to snuff if in the right mood
>scat is the only thing that will never, ever do it for me
>tfw will never be an artistic genius

>>68777484
SHUT UP HE WAS NOT FAT HE WAS A LITTLE CHUBBY AND HAPPENED TO BE A LITTLE SHORT, BUT HE WORKED INCREDIBLY HARD, HAD GREAT ETHIC, AND COMPOSED AMAZING MUSIC.

>>68777484
STUFFING YOUR FACE AS USUAL

>>68759194
Ravel

>>68777182
>look at Mr. 2 Cool 4 Apocalypse Now

>>68778158
It's OK but not in the top 100 movies of all time. Maybe in the top 1000.

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>Love Beethoven, Schubert
>Hate Chopin
>Love Scarlatti, Zelenka, and the French Harpsichordists
>Bach bores me and Can't into Mozart

Am I a pleb or exit level tryhard?

Is it pleb to listen to Mikrokosmos for enjoyment?

>>68778199
Yeah, I agree to that. It's probably not necessarily the greatest film but it is one of the better war films.

>>68778199

It's good enough to be considered art.
When a piece of art is so genuine and so finely crafted the concept of ''better art'' really stops making sense

>>68778482
I'd say it's a tier below Full Metal Jacket and The Thin Red Line when it comes to American war films.

>>68778304
>Can't into Mozart
The ultimate pleb.

>>68778158
The version of the Walkurenritt in the film is too slow desu

>>68742220
this.

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>>68778501
found the pleb

>>68778501
So plebian. Get the fuck out!

>>68777405

Source on this?

>>68779101

>[Adorno] may have championed Schoenberg, but the composer notably failed to return the compliment: 'I have never been able to bear the fellow [...] It is disgusting, by the way how he treats Stravinsky.

P-please notice me Schoenberg-senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPFHEim8ZcA

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I am against Stravinsky, for Schoenberg. I think that when we get a breakthrough in art, like with Schoenberg, we always get then accompanying it, a figure like Stravinsky. Renormalising the breakthrough. Cutting off the subversive edge of the breakthrough. And I think again the same goes for other arts, for example, in modern painting, it would have been Picasso vs Braque. I think Picasso is Stravinsky in painting, with his eclecticism, while Georges Braque is the thorough modernist ascetism. Even in literature, although the homology is not perfect, I’m tempted to say Joyce vs Beckett. Joyce is I think too bright for his own good. It’s too pretentious in this encyclopaedic approach, like using all languages in Finnegan’s Wake; the true genius is for me Samuel Beckett. If I were to choose one novel of the 20th century, it’s his Unnameable. I think that the three absolute masters of 20th century literature are Beckett, Kafka and the Russian Andrei Platonov. If you put the three of them together, I’m ready to burn, sacrifice all other books just to keep these three. I think even much of high modernist writing is overrated. For example, if I were to choose between Virginia Woolf and Daphne du Maurier, I would immediately choose du Maurier. We shouldn’t be afraid to admit this.

>>68779364
Virginia Woolf is a frigid bitch.

>>68779364
You started with a rant about how you prefer Schoenberg to Stravinsky and then started talking about literature, what are you trying to say?

>>68779364
zizek is a hack, but this (and a decent amount of his comments on music, actually) is cool and one thing i agree with him on 100%

>>68779582
He's one of the more sane voices of the radical left. And that says a lot about the left.

>>68779668
he applies Lacanian psychoanalysis to global politics and has a 19th century conception of what constitutes "the west" and "the rest." his "contributions" to left thought are severely lacking. but i guess as far as humanists who haven't engaged with social scientific literature since Freud passed himself off as such, he's better than like Butler or whatever

>>68746969
I wish he'd written more suites for band. The Eb one is GOAT.

>>68742165
We will never hear
>a Brahms opera
>a Mahler concerto
>a Schubert concerto
>a Rossini symphony

>>68779918
>Brahms opera
Good
>Mahler concerto
Undecided on this since I can't really imagine what it would sound like
>Schubert concerto
He did that one piece for violin and orchestra, but generally he wasn't suited to the extroversion of the form
>Rossini symphony
I'm imagining a Haydn symphoniy with more melodies

>tfw no Sibelius opera cycle like the Ring but with Finnish folklore

>>68780018
And yes, I know that the germanic folklore aspect of the Ring isn't actually all that important.

>>68780018
>tfw no Sibelius opera cycle like the Ring but with Finnish folklore
Lol you posted this twice in the same thread.

Someone make a new thread

>>68779364
Further proof that Stravinsky is underrated

>>68780050

It is something I've wanted ever since I heard Kullervo for the first time.

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>MRW my housemate tells me Rachmanimeme is one of the greatest pianists of all time

>>68780018
>a Haydn symphony with more melodies
Sounds like Prokofiev.

>>68780434
He was, though. Even if you don't like his compositions recorded evidence shows him as a great pianist.