/shugazi/ - Shoegaze, Dream Pop, Noise Pop, Blackgaze, etc.

Slowdive is better than MBV

Also can someone make a nutshack shoegaze cover? Thanks

p4k made a top 50 shoegaze albums list. What are your guys' thoughts on it?
http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9966-the-50-best-shoegaze-albums-of-all-time/

It is a pretty good list, but I would sad to see there that skywave's synthtastic isn't on there. I would probably recommend this list to anyone wanting to get into shoegaze as it pretty much has all of the essentials.

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>>68651037
Surprise! It ends with slowdive and MBV.

I know it would but for fuck's sake. It's like every "top 100 video games" list ending with Ocarina Of Time or every "top 100 movies" list ending with The Godfather.

The albums are fantastic it's just that I'd like to see some variation.

>>68651037
Shit, that's cool I'm only beginning to listen to this genre and I was at a loss about what to listen to. I mean, I follow the chart on the wiki but having some text to describe the album or something is nice too to pick something

>>68651116
Nah it would be stupid and edgy to not have Loveless at the top. Shoegaze isn't varied or large or old enough to be compared to video games or film like that

>>68651183
Yeah I think p4k did a good job with this list. I disagree with some of the album choices, but overall this does a way better job of describing albums than any flowchart or simple list could. Also the list only represents shoegaze, no dream pop or proto-shoegaze on it.

>>68651201
Well I don't know. It wouldn't have to be a contrarian choice, but Loveless could easily be #2 and Souvlaki could be #3.

I suppose you're right though.

>>68651037
>no Skywave
>no Astrobrite
Nah, it's shit.

If not Loveless or Souvlaki, what would be a good choice for #1?
I wanna say isn't anything but that's mbv too...

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Is this the proper order?

Bloom = Devotion > Depression Cherry > Teen Dream = Beach House > Thank Your Lucky Stars

>>68651401
I liked Depression Cherry more than Devotion but it seems alright

>>68651037
Terrible list

>>68651037
Catherine Wheel is shit tho

Is there a style that the music press has turned on recently like they did with shoegaze?

>>68651037
>What are your guys' thoughts on it?
Overall, it's not bad. It's largely what I'd expect. Thoughts on specific albums on the list:
>lovesliescrushing - Bloweyelashwish at 46
Probably too low.
>Drop Nineteens - Delaware at 36
Definitely too low. Underrated album in general.
>A Sunny Day in Glasgow - Ashes Grammar at 35
Honestly, I'd replace that with Sea When Absent and rank it higher.
>Alcest - Souvenirs D'un Autre Monde at 32
I've never really bought into that being really a shoegaze album. I think it's much more just black metal with shoegaze influences.
>Medicine - Shot Forth Self Living at 29
I'd put it top 15 easily.
>Pale Saints - The Comforts of Madness at 21
I might put that Top 10, actually.
>Chapterhouse - Whirlpool at 17
I know I may be in the minority, but I'd put that in my own TOp 5. It's perfect.
>My Bloody Valentine - m b v
I know Loveless is #1, and I know they're not going to put three MBV records in the top 10, but this record really is amazing.
>Catherine Wheel - Chrome at 9
Way the fuck too high. Not even close to Top 10 for shoegaze. Not even fucking close.
>The Verve - A Storm in Heaven at 6
Way the fuck too high. I guess I'm okay with it being on the list, but putting that up against albums like Going Blank Again, Isn't Anything, Nowhere, Souvlaki, and Loveless is a fucking joke.

The fact that Astrobrite's Crush isn't on this is fucking insane. Don't give me your "b-b-b-but it's derivative" bullshit. Just because it didn't break new ground doesn't mean it's not great. At the very least, it's easily Top 50. Also, Flying Saucer Attack's s/t should've been there.

>>68651401
>Depression Cherry
I liked the album as a whole but really hated the first track. To me it taints the whole thing.

>>68651037
Why is nothing even on there

>>68651037
i know they would never put whirr on there but if you could, where would u put whirr's distressor? top 25?

>>68650751
i hate you montie but agree with you on this
also fuck off and stop ruining the nutshack meme

>>68651037
>No Skywave
>Wrong APTBS album (should be Exploding Head)
>No Screen Vinyl Image

>>68652686
Easily in top 25, but it's an EP and not an album. That said their Around EP wouldn't be far either.

>tfw crushing real hard on a girl for like two weeks
>restrain myself from listening to slowdive because it reminds me of her

JUST

>>68653270
man you're a mess
start a band

>>68652637
>I know I may be in the minority, but I'd put that in my own Top 5. It's perfect
This honestly
I'd say Whirlpool is the closest thing to being the fourth member of the "Big 3"

>>68653270
what's her name?

>>68653500
Obv Alison

>>68653335
not a bad idea

>>68652637
>Honestly, I'd replace that with Sea When Absent and rank it higher.
this senpai

>>68653469
>I'd say Whirlpool is the closest thing to being the fourth member of the "Big 3"
I'd be okay with that. It's not the most innovative or unique shoegaze album, but to me its quintessential for the genre. It's everything that makes 90's shoegaze great.

>>68651323
Just For a Day can be #1

>>68653193
ah forgot it was an EP

never realized how short it was

>>68654203
I feel like there's a lot of great shoegaze EPs tho. a much higher percentage of great shoegaze albums are EPs compared to other genres.

>>68654227
any recs?

listened to all the ride and mbv EPs

>>68654146
Breather is a fucking GOAT opener

>>68654282
This is by no means an exhaustive or definitive list. Just random good shoegaze EP's that come to mind when I think about it. This will get you into some random less talked about shit.
Sway - The Millia Pink and Green
Natural Blond - And Again / Haze (two singles)
Newmoon - Invitation to Hold
No Joy - Pastel and Pass Out
Air Formation - Air Formation
Sleeping In - Sleepy
Night School - Heart Beat

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>>68654282
>any recs?
:)

>>68654282
The one in the OP
that's a good one

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>>68654282

>>68651349

Susurrate. Loveless is better though. It's just so good.

>>68651401
>hating Teen Dream
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>68654194
no

>>68654194
I could never bring myself to enjoy Just for a Day aside from a couple tracks. It sucks and aged like shit but the other two albums are pretty great.

>>68651037
>Adorable - Against Perfection
Am I the only one who think that this isn't really a shoegaze album? I gave it a listen again last week and it still sounds to me like a Mats meet the Pixies record.

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>>68653539
>it turns out to be Sheba

>>68651037
The full list for easier future reference.

Pitchfork's Top 50 Shoegaze Albums of All Time

50. Xinlinsupreme - Tomorrow Never Comes
49. All Natural Lemon & Lime Flavours - Turning Into Small
48. Nothing - Tired of Tomrrow
47. The Telescopes - Taste
46. loveliescrushing - Bloweyelashwish
45. Drop Nineteens - Delaware
44. Autolux - Future Perfect
43. The Veldt - Afrodisiac
42. Adorable - Against Perfection
41. Starflyer 59 - Gold
40. Curve - Doppelgänger
39. Windy & Carl - Antarctica (The Bliss Out, Vol. 2)
38. A Place to Bury Strangers - A Place to Bury Strangers
37. Asobi Seksu - Citrus
36. Bowery Electric - Bowery Electric
35. A Sunny Day in Glasgow - Ashes Grammar
34. Pale Saints - In Ribbons
33. The Brain Jonestown Massacre - Methodrone
32. Alcest - Souvenirs D'un Autre Monde
31. Ulrich Schnauss - A Strangely Isolated Place
30. Blonde Redhead - 23
29. Medicine - Shot Forth Self Living
28. Bardo Pond - Amanita
27. Lush - Spooky
26. Flying Saucer Attack - Further
25. The Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
24. Lilys - In the Presence of Nothing
23. Catherine Wheel - Ferment
22. M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts
21. Pale Saints - The Comforts of Madness
20. Jesu - Jesu
19. Curve - Pubic Fruit
18. Kitchens of Distinction - Strange Free World
17. Chapterhouse - Whirlpool
16. Mercury Rev - Yerself Is Stream
15. Swervedriver - Raise
14. My Bloody Valentine - m b v
13. Seefeel - Quique
12. Slowdive - Pygmalion
11. Swirlies - Blonder Tongue Audio Baton
10. Swervedriver - Mezcal Head
09. Catherine Wheel - Chrome
08. Lush - Gala
07. Slowdive - Just for a Day
06. The Verve - A Storm in Heaven
05. Ride - Going Blank Again
04. My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
03. Ride - Nowhere
02. Slowdive - Souvlaki
01. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

>>68651037
While it's missing some albums I would have liked to see, there are some albums I am so so glad got recognition like Tired of Tomorrow, Dead Cities, and Ashes Grammer.

>>68650751
You're wrong like most of your opinions, but +15 respect for posting in /shugazi/.

>>68658911
Is mbv the latest album there?

>>68659073
Tired of Tomorrow came out this year, so no
(also its really good and deserves that spot)

>>68651037
lilys should have been ahead of m b v

>>68659120
>My Bloody Valentine clone should be ahead of My Bloody Valentine

>>68658911
Why the hell is Mercury Rev on here

>>68651401
Depression cherry > Teen Dream > Devotion > Bloom > TYLS > S/T

>>68658911
why is nowhere so fucking overrated

Going Blank Again is aeons ahead

I want to hug Victoria!

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>>68658911
>http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9966-the-50-best-shoegaze-albums-of-all-time/

to me this is more interesting than anything just because it says a lot about what's considered "shoegaze". There's a lot of good albums out there that were not considered because the listmakers didn't consider them Shoegaze, when they very well could be considered as such.

Does this list properly reflect the genre? Is it to narrow in its definition? Perhaps even to broad, or missing the core tenets entirely?

>>68661981
from what I saw, some people were mainly complaining about artists like Cocteau Twins not making the list, but I think p4k is making a distinction between dream pop and shoegaze

people might have been in more of a shugazi mindset than a shoegaze one

>>68661981
The list is pretty broad anyway, sure it doesn't have Cocteau Twins, but it does include Mercury Rev. The criteria is probably dreaminess+noise, and they're ignoring the stuff that lacks the power

>>68662048
Or the obvious walls of sound, cause of souvlaki

>>68658911
>treating gala and pubic fruit like they're actual releases and not compilations

>>68658911
I can't get over Yerself is Steam being on there, its amazing but not shoegaze.

Also fuck Boo radleys and Chrome being #9 of all things.
Props for Gala at #8, props for The Veldt.
No Sweet Trip, soundpool or astrobrite is fucking lame. Eh even p4k isn't autistic enough to make a perfect list, but its great they even have a list

>>68662048
I'm pretty sure Cocteau Twins aren't on there because they are proto-shoegaze. They said they arbitrarily chose psychocandy as the starting point and didn't include anything before that. It would be hearsay to not include bands like Cocteau twins or Spacemen 3.

>>68661662
isn't she a man

>>68664939
god i hope so

Catherine Wheel is the most underrated shoegaze band

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>>68653097
>ruining the nutshack meme
Boy it was a shit meme to start off with

>>68665115
good album love their black metal stuff also

>>68658911
eccsame the photon band is a million times better than in the absence of nothing also the lack of luminous orange is kind of appalling to me

>>68666811
i guess the first lilys album is so mediocre i forgot the actual album title

>>68650743
Can anyone recommend me good post 2000s shoe gaze that had substance?

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>>68667622
see OP's pic
but also see my pic

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So why hasn't anyone acknowledged that this is actually dream glitch pop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6bIdn2V3w
THIS IS AWESOME

https://vagrond1.bandcamp.com/album/temporal

>>68668158

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>>68651037
|s it just me or are C Wheel and Swervedriver really underrated on this board?

They got into Pitcfork top 10 and are among the highest rated shoegaze bands on RYM, yet here barely anyone cares about them with most people thinking they were just ok britpop and mediocre overhyped nu-gaze like LSD, Nothing, Whirr and Candy Claws gets talked about lot more.

>>68650751
let's not ruin shoegaze with your cancer ideas.

>>68666827
>>68666811
Inocorrect opinions. ITPON is a masterpiece and should be in the top 5. And Eccsame isn't really shoegaze, it's a great album tho. Agreed on Luminous Orange

>>68667622
LSD & The Search For God
Pia Fraus
Bright Channel
Electro Group
Luminous Orange
Dive (Japan)

theres many more

>>68668537
Catherine Wheel is GOAT, never really got into Swervedriver. I'll try listening to more of their stuff.

>>68668537
Might be because their output after first 2 albums was really inconsistent

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Astrobrite, anyone?

>>68658911
>22. M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts
>21. Pale Saints - The Comforts of Madness
both of these should be top 10 desu

>>68669672
Opening track is GOAT tier shoegaze. Rest of the album is p good.

>>68668537
It's not the 90s anymore kid, a lot of us do care about the original bands but if this general wants to stay alive you have to get with the times

>pic related best e. Euro shoegze album coming through

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>>68670340
fucc

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>>68667649
Speaking of... Still searching online for this

Can anyone recommend something like cigarettes after sex? Getting my gf into dream pop shoegaze, she likes mbv, slowdive, etc and is super into CAS and mazzy star and other dream poppier stuff

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>>68670351
>not pic related
Are you even trying?

>>68669672
>tfw I like Deluxer more
I know I shouldn't, but I do

>>68671180
I do too. But Whitenoise Superstar will always be number 1 for me.

>>68671190
I just fuckin love Astrobrite man

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>>68669672
i only like 2 songs from crush (overdriver is great)

pinkshinyultrablast is great imo, but whitenoise superstar is the superior album

i'm still looking for more shit like it, but it's so unique and perfect

Anyone have Kinoko Teikoku's Aino Yukue?

Made a shoegaze dubtrack room come join

post some good shit

https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/shoeghazi

>>68658125
Usually skip Spanish Air and The Sadman but everything else is great

EPs are better though

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I really like these guys.

There's a real urban atmosphere that i want more of.

>>68651401
good opinion anon

>>68667747
What dis???

>>68670340
>>68670351
>imma be a cunt to somebody in this thread
>then fuck it up

Nicely done.

>>68671421
Here's the two singles that have been released so far, Natsu no Kage (夏の影)and Crybaby (クライベイビー)

https://mega.nz/#!cEVkGDzJ!mChwneS1kF1fgwyHuaNv0b0FwuApHsGG5EDVll0RxQM

Unless it's on jpopsuki I don't see it popping up until it drops in a couple days
I'd be down for another /shugazi/ listenalong like we did with their last one, regardless of how poppy and garbage it is

Can someone recommend me some shoegaze with good production? So much of it is really lo-fi which I don't have a problem with but I'd love to hear some really well-recorded and mixed shoegaze

>>68651401
>>68673819

no

>>68654625

This. Shoegaze bands normally do fantastic openers anyways, but Breather really fucking blows me away