which came first the musician or the music

I you consider string theory, perhaps the music. As a materialist it would be the musician.

>>68641946
That's the most incoherent thing I've read today

>>68641522
Someone became a musician when they played the first music, so it was a simultaneous thing of becoming

We live in a world where the harsh noise wall is considered by some to be music, and the world is filled with background radiation, the noise of the universe if you will. So the music came first.

what came first sound or people?

music

>>68641995
>That's the most incoherent thing I've read today
That made me laugh for some reason.

>>68641522
Music. Some cave dweller stumbled across some noises he liked and could control.
The musician part would then develop if he continued on with it or someone took notice of it, enjoyed it and developed it further.

>>68641522
it depends on how you define music.

if by music, you mean sounds that are intentionally arranged to sound a certain way, then obviously the musician came first.

birds

>>68644417
>Some cave dweller stumbled across some noises he liked and could control.
if he's controlling noises to make them sound a certain way, then he's a musician.

>>68642255
>We live in a world where the harsh noise wall is considered by some to be music
true, but even harsh wall noise is intentionally arranged by someone controlling the way it sounds (aka a musician).

>>68641522
Depends on what you count as music. Does the rhythmic drumming behavior found in Macaque Monkeys count as music? And in that case, is the Macaque Monkey a musician or not? So I suppose the answer to this question is subjective, depending on how you define music and how you define a musician

maybe everybody is a musician and everything is music

>>68645046
But what is a musician but an organism of the universe, thus being an extension of the universe itself, the universe as everything manifesting to be a musician arranging sounds? The musician(s) are part and are the universe. Music can be anything, it's only some vibrations that resonate with us especially that make them more "musical", but really it's arbitrary.

>>68645261
really makes you think...

>>68645261
>Music can be anything
i disagre, but that takes us back to this post
>>68645005