Without memes, explain why Autechre is good

>>68631309
Bump

Their music is intriguing. The rhythmic variations, the textures, the sound design, it's generally all very creative and unique. Only a fraction of their work appeals to any sort of melodic sensibility and in that sense I think of them as far more left-brained than right-brained musicians, but I feel like they would disagree with this—at the end if they say they're just making sounds that they like.

hip hop Xenakis

>>68631309
Without memes, explain why Autechre is bad?

>>68631914
>>68631724
>>68631582
>>68631397
these are all memes

>>68632003
ur a meme

because they upset the right people

>>68632003
For you

I haven't properly listened to all of their albums, but elseq 1-5 fascinates me, especially track 1 of part 2 which sounds like some kind of massive, glitchy, microtonal cover of Stockhausen's Cosmic Pulses.

Then on part 3, there is a track that is basically an enormous, 20-minute drone with elements of, like, ambient techno I think?

On part 1, one of the tracks (I think the last one) is this insanely rhythmic POUNDING electronic "beat" that puts me in a trance...

Autechre manages to craft a colossal amount of heavy and varied electronic experimentations that often completely abandon melody, and rely on very intense rhythms which fascinate me.

Confield is also very good, I've heard that they literally created their own synthesizers and other instruments from scratch to make that album which is why nothing else sounds like it.

>>68631724

kek

>>68631309
Autechre have never been a meme, you ignorant childo. If only people like you tried to listen and understand a bit of their music you would know that.

stockhasuen for the EDM generation

>>68632612

this, but in a good way

straight arca

Because they released Tri Repetae which is the best ambient album ever created

>>68631309
>straight Arca

>>68633049
it's not ambient though

>>68633049
>ambient
What does this even mean anymore

>>68631582
>>68632307
Their melodies are underrated.

At least, if we look at their post-LP5 material, you find a lot of tracks with these complicated chromatic melodies. In these cases, Autechre do a really great job of:

1) Breaking free of common tonality and introducing chromatics in a way which doesn't distract the listener or seem pompous or pretentious.
2) Creating synth lines that are reasonably catchy and memorable despite so many people not thinking of them as "melodic."

In short they are probably the best and most natural users of "atonal" melodies in all of modern popular music, yet they seldom get any credit for it.

I might not have explained this as well as I could do, given that it's been a long time since I listened to the 'Techre, but I swear if you go away and listen to a bunch of modern classical music then check in Autechre again when you've got a head for that, you'll really appreciate how well they do it.

>>68633049
hahahaha

>>68633184
Also - the pictured Exai is the best album for those really unchained melody lines, omg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYbP2EulN_g

this is the reason they are good.

>>68632864
>>68633082
Arca is electronica for hipster faggots, nothing more.

>why is Autechre good
I don't know my fuckin brain liked it

>>68634412
how new????

>>68633184
Considering they are not theoretically trained in music, they are doing a pretty good job.

>>68634412
This.

I can't take the Arca dickriding anymore. He is mediocre as shit.

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>>68634824
>>68634412

>>68634896
Fuck off Arca

>>68631309
regular ambient/minimal techno is better

>>68635085
go on. give us names.

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>Albums:

Confield > LP5 > Exai > Oversteps = Draft 7.30 > Chiastic Slide > Tri Repatae > EP7 > Amber > Incanabula > Untilted > Quaristice

Too early to say with Elseq, but I'd say they would be pretty high, not as high as Draft but definitely up there. Only heard one AE_Live (Dour) and I'd put it in a similar place as Elseq.

>eps:

Cichlisuite > Garbage > Anvil Vapre > Envane > Peel Session 2 > Peel Session 1 > L Event > Gantz Graf > Move of Ten

(haven't really listened to Cavity Job, Anti, Basscadet...am I missing anything?)

>>68635133
The Field, Gas, Pantha Du Prince

https://youtu.be/_Ru4Py-QJPE

Not the same person and I don't agree with them but maybe this is the kinda stuff they're talking about.

>>68635146
> > Quaristice
how to spot a pleb

>>68635241
Self indulgent and boring.

I'm going to see them live next month, don't know what to expect. Do people dance at autechre shows?

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>>68635085
ambient techno is actually infinitely better than those two

>>68635185
They are in no ways at the level of textures, structures and complexity of Autechre.

>>68635085
nah

there are some exceptions, but minimal techno is generally pretty shit.

>>68635633
depends - where are you seeing them? if there is a substantial club culture where you live, then probably so.

it's an ace show nevertheless. i danced when i saw em.

>>68635633
No, you got carried to another dimension of a different existential universe, that's it.

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>>68635146
>Untilted that low
I agree with (most of) the rest though

>>68635814
>ambient techno
when i said ambient/minimal i meant ambient techno and minimal techno bud so nice comprehension there looks like we agree

>>68635633
the lads have said before that they make strictly dance music. if you don't take some E and dance your arse off to parhelic triangle then you aren't a true ae fan imho

>>68636102
>level of textures, structures and complexity
none of which actually make something better that something that has less nice try though

>>68634412
i dont see whats wrong with being a hipster.

>>68636653
well you know, the word regular placed before ambient in a sentence usually makes me think of pure ambient

>>68636842
yeh but minimal techno and ambient techno often crossover/bleed into each other imo. it's alright tho anon we agree to an extent!

regular non-'IDM' ambient techno > Autechre

>>68636895
why are you even comparing them

autechre would never want to make or "compete" with that kind of music

I mean really they already kind of did it and they think its cheesy now (amber)

>>68636895
there is no such thing as 'idm ambient techno' (or idm), just ambient techno. amber is ambient techno. if it's not to your taste then that's fine, but don't come up with silly qualifiers.

>>68637041
>why are you even comparing them
because those that are fixating on autechre are idiots especially because people jump straight into 'IDM' these days without having explored all the variations of techno that exist. not to say that it's mandatory but the subtleties in ambient techno > the 'level of textures' found in Autechre's work. i still like both but god people ignorant

>>68637160
"IDM" doesn't even exist you fucking pleb

>>68637074
>there is no such thing as 'idm ambient techno'
never said there was mate

>>68637204
no way that's definitely not why i put quotes around it myself? fucking moron you still know what i mean when i refer to it. kill yourself autismo

well that escalated quickly

>>68637041
right? i don't get this competition mindset on /mu/, it's dumb. ae make abstract versions of electro/hip-hop/detrioit style techno/rave - why compare them to minimal/ambient techno? even more confusing is when ppl compare them (as dance producers) to classical composers. pretty much every thread about them includes a comment to the effect of "stockhausen is better!!" which is honestly pretty random.

>>68637160
wide generalisaton. this isn't specific to fans of autechre - it's an issue /mu/ deals with on numerous genres, esp since this board as a high/swift turnover rate.

besides, loads of autechre fans are into techno and club music lol. i go out clubbing virtually every weekend, so i tend to play more home-listening style music while i'm not out. also there is no dichotomy here, there is loads of subtlety in ae's work. look at chiastic slide or even elseq 3&5 which are definitely minimalist.

>>68637239
No I actually do not know what you mean when you refer to it. I'm assuming certain Warp artists but that classification is diverse enough that it's retarded

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>>68631724

>>68637209
when you use the term "non-'IDM' ambient techno", as you did, then that generally implies that there is such a thing as 'IDM' ambient techno.

>>68637319
and i'm telling you you're an idiot for assuming that implication because you yourself even knows it doesn't exist? nice shit anon you're killing it with your deductions today

>>68637283
autechre is techno. they just wank around harder and people think it makes it better

>>68637400
yeah you're right this is definitely techno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQU0KvDrKJA

>>68633184

totally man, their melodies are always on point. autechre is easily the most complex IDM i've ever heard, rhythmically, tonally, and melodically

>>68637400
the last ae record which could be called techno is lp5, but even that is a big stretch of the term

>>68637400
i never said that they weren't. i was just saying that they aren't club music, or even really very danceable. far more deconstructed t bh. i still don't know why the whole minimal/ambient techno conflict came about - if anything, apart from amber, ae (esp when it comes to percussion) is more related to detroit techno/electro or "harder" styles à la birmingham.

but i think ppl just like them cause they do have a pretty unique style. sure there are artists who share similarities such as snd/mark fell and sasu ripatti's more abstract work, but i'd still say they are pretty singular.

>>68635185

i really really love gas and all the kompact comps, but cmon man, it's so much different than autechre. besides the fact that they're electronic there's almost no similarity

>>68637400
""""techno""""

>>68637373
well, there are a lot of clueless idiots on /mu/ who do believe in such a thing. actually write what you mean if you don't want others to call you out.

words mean things etc.

>>68637566
>>68637536
>>68637444
Not him, but while it isn't a perfect classification I'd still prefer to call Autechre experimental techno rather than the nebulous, stupid-ass term that is IDM. I suspect Rob and Sean feel the same.

IMO loads of their newer material still has the essence of techno, they just put it thru a paper shredder to blur the context.

>>68631309
i like the sounds that they make

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>>68635814
Thanks for posting this my dude

why idm fags so pretentious
AE themselves would laugh at you fucks

>>68637706
the only pretentious guy is the one who is assblasted over ppl liking ae. ae fans on mu are pretty chill dudes, just go on an ae general once in a while and youll see

>>68637706
i don't see anyone being pretentious. why is this always a complaint when people go in-depth to describe why they enjoy something? which was op's question btw.

>>68637750
to be fair many autechre fans outside of /mu/ are super pretentious, lol. for instance watmm is a graveyard of human despair for the most part imo lmao.

>>68637807
watmm is super masturbatory, outside of that i cant say as ive never met anyone who likes ae irl

>>68637845
same, apart from one guy i talked to at a dj sprinkles set i went to a few weeks ago and one of the dudes who worked at other music (r.i.p.)

when i saw them live i met loads of chill ppl though.

Idk I only like Amber t b h

>>68638000
what about garbage?

>>68638035
I had no idea what you were trying to tell me because I didn't realise that's actually an AE EP. Will listen to it now thanks.

>>68637544
>"harder" styles à la birmingham
True, parts of Anvil Vapre are definitely reminiscent of Surgeon/Regis/Downwards.

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>tfw new AE_LIVE soon (probably)

>>68638249
pls let it be older stuff, something from the oversteps tour would be great

>>68638289
do ae often slip sneaky old stuff in or is it all elseq variations?

Is this just an /ae/ general now?

>>68638289
I don't think they have any plans to release old soundboards, sadly.

>>68637444
correct. if you can't see the techno undertones you might be retarded. nice trips though

>>68638313
its only 14-15 afaik, so yeah

>>68638354
shame, why are they sitting on those soundboards is beyond me tho

>>68638412
Yeah, at least with the Untilted tour there are some high quality boots, as well as a soundboard recording floating around.

There are no great recordings from the 2008 tour and only 1 or 2 passable ones from 2010. Frustrating.

>>68637677
>IMO loads of their newer material still has the essence of techno, they just put it thru a paper shredder to blur the context.
this.

>>68638398
what are these techno undertones, sir? point them out please :)

>>68638398
Mate, I admit that techno permeates Ae's body of work but not on that track. There is no rhythm component whatsoever, not even "beatless rhythm" pulses

You're just saying there are techno elements to save face

>there are people ITT RIGHT NOW that are claiming autechre is not techno

w e w /mu/ really has gone to shit

>>68638523
>what are these techno undertones, sir? point them out please :)
check out ambient techno

>>68638620
Ambient techno still has a rhythmic aspect - that's what separates it from regular ambient.

VI Scose Poise has no rhythm component.

>>68638620
yes, small and quiet percussive sounds mean its just ambient techno :) you're very smart!

>>68638620
lol youre just renaming idm to ambient techno, which is just as awful of a term as idm

>>68638682
maybe a little less pretentious

Autechre is electronic music

>>68638731
this, they make sounds which i like and that is all that matters, dont really care if its idm ambient techno or whatever

>>68638289
From the Confield era, but this is fucking transcendant

https://youtu.be/yzcaWhBpeSM

>>68638779
this is a bonus track on confield right?

Autechre = AUstere TECHno

>>68638805
On the Japanese version, but the torrent I got has it yeah
>tfw you will never go to great Manchester raves back in the 90s

>>68638840
i feel you anon, i would loved to see ae circa 94
listen to the track 15 mins in, mindblowing stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU7-yr70ntw

>>68638818
more like autism techno

>>68638891
Most DJs are autistic desu

>>68636102
Textures, structures and complexity are what make electronic music special and different to any other genre, especially far away from the instrumental possibilities.

>>68638682
>>68638653
>>68638646
why are Autechre fans getting BTFO about this? why do you guys care?
>>68637444 sounds sort of like EAI with a techno essence. i hear ambient techno aspects as well really unsure what kind of point you guys are trying to make?

>>68639190
Because you're wrong? You've not pointed out the 'techno essence' either.

>>68635282
Well, every AE album after '95 is self-indulgent t bh

I'd say Quaristice is actually one of their more fun, carefree albums. Most of it is bangin' techno and electro or pretty ambient.

>>68638870
That sounds like a heavier version of Slip from Amber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uDy9IqScmU

Love it, btw, one of the best on the album.

>>68639268
the percussion easily. compare it to the percussion in ambient techno. it's noticeably similar. although the sounds Autechre uses for percussion are a little more quirkier, it's still almost the exact same usage. it's really
noticeable

>>68640727
The "percussion" is just a single pulse and one that is not recurrent enough to resemble ambient techno.

Favorite tracks that never seem to get any love?
>P.:NTIL
It's like the boys are knocking on my door

>>68640922
Io (Mons) and Maetl are some of their best work

>>68640922
rale

so goddamn farty but I love it

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>>68640875
>The "percussion" is just a single pulse and one that is not recurrent enough to resemble ambient techno.
wrong this is actually is similar to ambient techno i suggest you listen to more ambient techno

>still no ae archive soundcloud dump

uh, sean?

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>>68641161
It's also not specific to ambient techno, lol. Percussion + reverb =/= ambient techno. Ambient also techno tends to have have a kick.

By the way, the next album is a dub techno 2xCD, made primarily with field recordings from Ukraine subway stations. Hold tight.

implying you can justify your rating on a subjective thing without meme. im sorry m8 youre not listening to music.

who is the /guitar/ equivalent of based ae?

>>68641450
zak wilde

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>>68641450
Especially Nothing Is

>>68641341
this would be ace desu. i love how elseq 5 sounded like...dub techno sans the dub.

>>68641450
i dunno, it doesn't sound similar but i always thought they shared some of the same dna as the chicago guitar improvisational/experimental scene.

i think comparisons with technical metal/prog are a bit reductive and uninspired, truthfully.

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>>68641450

>>68641616
ohh, good choice.

made more obvious by eastre.

>>68641220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUSwOGkRRw

>>68641341
>tfw some of the dub techno-like stuff from elseq 1-5 didn't sounded much to my liking
Eh idk maybe they could come up with something good. I wish they would go full industrial Tetsuo stuff like on that first track they spoiled.

>>68641571
>the chicago guitar improvisational/experimental scene
You have my attention, could you post any samples?

>>68641737
SHOT INNA FACE LIKE DART INNA BOARD

>>68635146
EP7 is an EP

>>68633139
Scaruffi actually thinks it's an ambient album, the absolute plonker

>>68638590
Yeah, I'd say most of their stuff is techno or at least highly influenced by it.

Confield, Oversteps, and parts of elseq are the only albums where it's a bit more dicey classification wise. And I've always thought Draft was a fully fledged glitch hip-hop album (I refuse to say glitch-hop cus of the shitty associations)

>>68637160
>complaining about people discussing autechre in a thread about autechre
wew laddio

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>Teartear

>>68646182
i see no connection between this photo and that track. does autechre really evoke fascist imagery for you? odd.

>>68635633
Ayy, I'm going to see them at their Manchester show.
idk what to expect really, just going to do my best not to get stabbed.

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>>68646313
>just going to do my best not to get stabbed.

just stay away from sean and u'll be ok

>>68646313
>getting to see autechre AND lee gamble
u lucky cunt

Who /AutechreLiveAtTheRoyalFestivalHall/ ??

>>68647162
i bought tickets but i can't go :'(

>>68646313
Ayy me too

pint before?

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>>68646313
>Manchester show
I'm pretty devastated I can't get the time off work for it. Same exact thing happened when they played Manchester last year.

>>68647758
But anon, either one of us could be a rapist.

I'm going with a mate and no idea what the plan for the day is, but name a good pub/bar and we might meet you there.

>>68648066
Shit, really? Next time arrange to be "suddenly ill" ;)

I'm just bummed that the Manchester show only goes to 2:00 a.m. what the fuck. It's a warehouse gig - it should run until least 4:00 in the morning ffs

>>68648066
call in sick mate

>>68648191
This

>>68641098
this is good. was it ever on an official release?

>>68647190
Was that you in the FB group?

>>68632003
not an argument

>>68650381
it was on a benefit comp for the japan earthquake 2011

>>68633184
convinced me to give a listen to this meme of a band

>>68651686
Autechre are not a meme at all.

I'm going to do it regardless of what you say, but are AE live good on weed?

>>68651781
The experience is better if you're completely sober with lucid brain response in my opinion.

>>68651699
every band is a meme to varying degrees of success

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you cant explain autechre at all

i like their music it makes me happy :)

I have a weird relationship with ae. Their first four albums are incomprehensible for me, the tracks are way too long and nothing stands out for me, it's just a big, boring mess. I can't even get into the Peel Sessions.
However, I adore pretty much every single piece of music they made since LP5 (including quadrange, move of ten, elseq, etc.. I usually don't rank stuff but Confield, Untilted and Exai would probably be in my all-time top 10.

>>68652240
can I steal your clover?

>>68652453
no

>>68652546
too late

>>68652565
:c

>>68652431
I have the same problem, but LP5 is just as boring as everything pre-Confield. I'm still dissecting Elseq but it's higher than Untilted, Draft and Oversteps for sure.

>>68646182
>>68646264
Wow lad that's what I imagined as well.
What we feel when listening to that song is some short of military march sounds. But I imagine some automatons going out of a factory and marching towards a desert

https://twitter.com/batu_uk/status/790509009681997824

aw, i hope they get properly introduced at some point. batu is a don and timedance is one of the best labels around atm. plus he used mesh cinereaL in a recent mix, so respect.

>>68631309
>without memes
Not sure how I'm supposed to communicate without the transferal of ideas from person to person. In fact, it's entirely impossible to communicate without memes.

>>68653332
Since it was most likely Rob he should have just gone for it. IA about Timedance.

woah I typically respect everyone's opinion on autechre rankings but I have no idea what direction you're coming from on this one.