ITT: Unpopular Opinions

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>I'm not even sure what genre to call it, but I genuinely enjoy Gothboiclique/Wicca Phase/doves/cold hart, etc
>Radio rap is decent
>Grimes is awful
>I fuck with Ariana Grande heavy
>Tell All Your Friends is still one of the best albums of all time

>I liked Pablo Honey
I'll see myself out

>Metallica's and Lou's album was funny and pretty okay
>Sia is one decade's best female artists

Who gives a fucking shit what your opinions are.

>>68626933
>RAC is good
examples, please?

>radiohead isn't that good
>the modern pop industry is an objectively great thing because it lets producers just make songs without caring about touring or being the face of the music
>I'm entirely put off metal music by the people I meet in the scene, every single time
>but electronic artists are way, way, way worse
>the pixies are shit too

>>68627144
So we can feel some sense of comradery by sharing how pleb we are.

>>68626933
>Hip-Hop made after 2001 is redundant
00s Hip-Hop >> 90s Hip-Hop.

>>68627148
Depends on what you're looking for. What do you like?

If you like ultra primitive sounding RAC, then I'd definitely recommend some of RAC's earliest bands like Peter and the Wolf, Squadron or The Ovaltinees.

Peter & the Wolf might be a bit too traditional for you, but anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4r8wwBVCDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiiGc66_Qzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLhYUu07tIo

The Ovaltinees has that early Punk vibe. The production improves on the "British Justice" EP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiNgQ0mCbLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cSrW1zrlao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GidK1_IlXu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zclhZi1bJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciUkUGPv5RY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyCzt_Brhe0

Squadron has that Motorhead meets Skrewdriver vibe which might appeal to you. The last song goes balls-to-the-wall Thrash (the real fun begins around the 3 minute mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRSsBgaDSVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW25WSpQGGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8hk1i-5aQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g-2DfeDgE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWji0XmNsg#t=2m58s

>thom yorke has a boring and unsufferable voice

>>68627148
>>68627311
If you like Squadron, be sure to check out Vengeance. Has that same Motorhead meets Skrewdriver vibe, but the production is better. Chock-full of aggression with that English Bulldog grunter vocalist to boot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoVr9COD9rk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3XcNBbJvVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqdC9OksHFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjsAS9GCCE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt9GxUuzewo

If you like things more traditional, then you can't go wrong with No Remorse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ7YSk9y2oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPE3X9mXBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBuNvpWIkSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sb6O52mgDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6VVUeQbJeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI4BRvtPHtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Us158cHGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQqGRiQlvFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4qcOXV0Fw

I mostly listen to hip hop and sometimes I can't stand any other genre.

>Hip Hop is a disgusting form of artraping; it should be banned
>classic music is the real deal, especially opera
>Wagner >> Mozart
>Popular classic music should be more than 5 pieces
>Can't stand Bajazzo singing in mafia movies

>>68627955
i can smell the fedoras from here

Alien Ant Farm's first album is pretty good

>>68626933
>Hardcore Punk has no reason to exist in the current year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shvI7mWwKuo
think again kiddo

>>68628011
I'm sincere of wearing my heart on the sleeves.

>>68626933
>>Metal musicians are pretty bro in spite of the "rockstar attitude" stereotype, although most musicians in almost every genre are condescending assholes
This is pretty much a fact. Metalheads are extremely critical of any musician with a rockstar attitude.

>>68626933
>Björk is horrible
no way, she is a decent artist at least

I agree with the rest though

>>68628138
this could have come out 20 years ago, when hc was already dead

>>68628325
Vote McMullin, you faggot.

>>68628819
Enjoy you're ban

>>68628819
i know you're ironic shitposting but you should still be banned because you're acting as if you actually are 15

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>I like this better than the 2 final Talk Talk albums

>>68628914
Because it's actually better.

>>68626933
>Hardcore Punk has no reason to exist in the current year

This is an unpopular opinion?

I strongly prefer modern music to older music. I mostly listen for ear candy and modern production scratches that itch more than older stuff.

>>68627118
>Sia
She's not awful but I can't stand her voice.

>>68627257
00s hip hop > 90s hip hop >>>>> post MBDTF hip hop

There is no such thing as objectively good or bad taste.

>>68630086
of course there is you fucking twat

>>68630098
Nice rebuttal dude

>>68630098
"Taste" is what pseudo-intellectual /mu/-core fans use to jack each other off.

>>68627315
true

>Swans was only good when they got back together

>>68630098
>triggered

>>68630143
>>68630184

if you sat around and read jackie collins and dean koontz novels all of the time, you would have shit taste in literature and people may be inclined to listen to drone on about how great hollywood wives is, but as soon as you leave you can guarantee they'd be thinking "boy that guy is fucking stupid." Same with music. No one comes to mu to listen to people talk on and on about how great the white album is or their favorite linkin park jam. fuck that - go to reddit

>>68630086
>There is no such thing as objectively good or bad taste

There it is. There's that statement again.

How fucking stupid do you have to be? Like seriously? Music quality is subjective, sure but when it comes down to taste, it can be objectively bad. For example, someone that only listens to prog rock can be said to have bad taste in music because he confines himself to one genre, no matter how good his taste within the genre is.

>>68630267
No. Not the same with music. Perhaps lyrics, but not music.

Taste in music is worlds more subjective. There is simple taste, complex taste, popular taste, and unpopular taste, but to call someone's taste objectively bad is to be a pretentious asshole.

Music changes when unpopular, "bad" taste is explored.

>>68627089
As long as you don't compare it to the rest of their discography it's damn decent. When you start to compare it starts lagging a bit.

>>68630298
That's the only case when I agree that there can be bad taste. But when you criticize *which* genres someone listens to, you are being a twat.

>>68630369
>is to be a pretentious asshole

it's to call you out on your shit. I don't know why anyone is expected to pussyfoot around with people's feelings, especially on an anonymous board.

If you start a thread on how great brokencyde is, you should feel bad and people should make you feel bad. There's nothing quality or unique about all types of music. That's why when you generate a catalogue of shit music you enjoy, you neither have defined taste or a welcomed opinion. Nor should you

>>68626933
>Metal musicians are pretty bro in spite of the "rockstar attitude" sterotype

This is pretty common knowledge, my dude.

>>68627209
>>the modern pop industry is an objectively great thing because it lets producers just make songs without caring about touring or being the face of the music

I dunno about that being the reason, because producers are far more visible now than they have been in the past. But 10's pop has been significantly better than the past few decades has been.

>>68630434
Oh praise the high and mighty cultural grand fucking Magnus that has come to enlighten us with his supreme taste. Fuck off.

>>68626933
>>Hip-Hop made after 2001 is redundant
from filthy tongue of gods and griots came out in 2002

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>>68630517

>why won't he respect my feelings??

eat shit my man

Taste in music is subjective, but the quality of music is objective.

For example, let's compare Justin Bieber to Miles Davis. Yes, I know Justin Bieber is an easy target, but I need to keep it as broad as possible so even the biggest of plebs can understand. Now, Justin Bieber is a corporately manufactured artist used to sell image to teenage girls. His music lacks substance and aesthetic, and he is based more on selling image than anything. The only time you hear people talk about Justin Bieber is when they are talking about his haircut or girlfriend. Never his new single or album and the direction he is taking as an artist. Miles Davis, on the other hand, actually put effort into making music, thus giving it substance and aesthetic. Few people talk about Miles Davis' image, and discussion of him is always about what album you like best, if you prefer his "cool" work or his "electric" period work, which lineup of his band you like best, etc.

Now, let's further expand on this by talking about fans, and compare a 13 year old girl with virtually no knowledge of music to an adult man with an actual knowledge in and interest in music. Obviously, the 13 year old girl isn't going to like Miles Davis very much so she will like Justin Bieber better, whereas the adult man will (most likely) prefer Miles Davis. And given the situation, the adult man has a greater basis for judging the quality of music, even though Bieber's music does more for the 13 year old girl than Miles does. Simply: The man has good taste but the girl has bad taste, objectively. Even though the taste in music is subjective, that taste is objectively good taste or bad taste. Taste and perception doesn't change objective quality.

tl;dr saying "music is subjective" or using the word "opinion" as a sole argument to justify shitty taste in any given scenario is just another way of saying "i'm a fucking pleb and I have shit taste".

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this is one of his better albums
LR>MBDTF>G>808>CD>TLAP>YEEZUS

>some alt metal/nu metal bands are 10x better than pretentious shit like radiohead
>rock>metal
>matchcore is shit

>>68630620
flashing lights is a masterpiece

>>68626933
are any of these even unpopular

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>>68630639
here ya go

>>68630567
I don't give a shit what you think. The fact is that "taste" boils down to complexity in 90% of cases, which is then tied arbitrarily to some perceived standard of quality. All you people eventually end with the same shit. Reddit this, feelings that; no actual rebuttal.

>>68630613
It isn't quality that's objective, it's complexity, which is then linked to quality because most people who do so have tastes that favor complex music. And there's nothing wrong with that, but musical "quality" is inherently subjective.

I don't like Justin Bieber. But do I scoff at people that do as much as I am simply confused at them? No. Because I know that I could get just as much shit for liking Conan.

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>>68630678

>rebuttal

lol is that your word of the day?

>>68630766
See, you're just proving my point.

>>68630760
>but musical "quality" is inherently subjective.

No it's not. It's not at all. That is fucking completely retarded. You're making up a scenario for perceived inequalities even though it's right in front of you. There's good and bad music

>>68630766
You know that all you're doing is vindicating him, right?

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>>68630806

>vindicating

>>68630796
See? You can't say anything actually useful, because you can't make a logical argument for liking something on a subjective level. Just retarded this, faggot that. And then you hide behind "your feelings hurt, bro" when you're called out for it.

>>68630405
Exactly, that's why he said music quality is subjective.

>>68630845
it's all been said
>>68630613

>>68630833
I'm sorry, did I use too long of a word for you to handle?

>>68630878
All that's been established is that complexity is objective. The link between quality and complexity is dependent on subjective taste, and nobody wants to admit that.

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>>68630881

your shit talking sucks

>With a few outlying exceptions, Power Electronics is the emperor's new clothes of "music"
What did he mean by this?

>>68630928
Oh no. Whatever shall I do. Now I might have to say something intelligent.

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>>68630878
There's no need for a theory of evolution. It's all been said in the bible.

Closer>Substance>Unknown pleasures

>>68630873
The quality of the music itself has nothing to do with how many genres you choose to listen to.

ITAOTS is a good album

>>68631232
What? He said TASTE is based on genres, not quality. Read the post again.

>while other genres are not necessarily bad by any means, jazz and classical are the only genres I consider artforms

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>>68627311
>>68627337
>Ahoy! Lookie what I caught, a /pol/ack!

>>68626933
>Hip-Hop made after 2001 is redundant
I don't have enough fedoras to tip in your direction my man

>if you want to spend less than $350 on your turntable and cartridge don't bother with vinyl
>pressing new music on vinyl is mostly pointless because the masters are almost always inferior and many of the currently operational pressing plants are absolute shit
>musicians talking about political issues in the press is embarrassing

>>68631330
The post that comment was in reply to expressly mentioned quality.

???

>>68631986
I was referring to this post >>68630298

>>68631008
not him but let me point you to a better place for you

>>>/r/eddit

>>68626933

>Activate is the greatest song in the history of mankind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CewOjHHwR4&list=PLD0C6548CFEA3694B&index=10

>>68630613
>let me use examples because i literally can't explain my self
>also let the examples be shit
>bye
bye

>>68632150
it's pasta family

>>68631921
I have several albums with superior mixes of songs exclusive to the vinyl edition. Some are mainstream pop too.

>>68630613
Miles Davis is the Justin Bieber of jazz. Also that pasta is sexist.

>>68630760
>but musical "quality" is inherently subjective.
this is completely true, but inside the human model of music, subjective quality does exist. I'm not sure what it is though. But why is it that when you listen to the top 10 rated albums on rym, you are likely to find more music you like than if you listened to the bottom 10 rated? I don't know, but it IS a thing. Would you say it's only because 'well this type of music taste is more common than that type' ?

>>68626933
Agreed for the most part
Depending on what you consider post-punk revival I agree
Yes
Yes
Yes
Excluding sone stuff on Visions, yes
Disagree about music, agree about fans
Yes
Yes
Yes
Wouldn't know

>>68632202
then what's kenny g

>>68632212
Better adherence to music theory = better quality music to most ears.

>>68632218
Easy listening isn't jazz.

>>68632212
Is "subjective" what you meant to say?

>>68632233
>To most ears

That's the point I think. Music theory is based on "what sounds good," to put it bluntly. But this may be different from ear to ear.

Something can be objectively harmonious, but not objectively good.

>>68632266
i meant to say 'objective quality does exist' at the start lel

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Cancer 4 Cure was the best rap album of 2012.
Fuck The Money Store.

>>68632320
>But this may be different from ear to ear.
maybe that's why there is 'shit taste' and 'good taste' ;)

>>68632337
Oh, then I think agree completely. My central point is that some people's models of quality differ.

Harmonious =/= good

>>68632379
Popular and unpopular. If more subscribed to a different model of quality, "good" and "shit" would switch. It's arbitrary.

>music has both objective (quality of production, musicianship, etc) and subjective (emotional impact of lyrical/thematic material, whether certain types of guitar tones or whatever else appeals to you, etc) elements
>led zeppelin is a truly great band
>mbv's best release is you made me realize
>souvlaki is the best shoegaze album of the big 3
>dinosaur jr. is the best band of the 80s

Led Zeppelin, Slowdive, and Slint are massively overrated

If you have ever used the word "dadrock" unironically you should be shot

>>68632320
Objectively good is not a thing though. Something can be objectively harmonious and it will be pleasing to most people. Even the most frivolous music, like Justin Bieber, sounds good. I find the music to be pleasing to my ears. As long as it follows a formula, it sounds fine. It's only when you get into lyricism that the complaints become valid, because they're the most vapid words one could write. That's what appeals to teenage girls. Teenage girls couldn't care less about the actual music.

>>68632476
This. That word needs to die.

>>68630298
>How fucking stupid do you have to be? Like seriously? Music quality is subjective, sure but when it comes down to taste, it can be objectively bad. For example, someone that only listens to prog rock can be said to have bad taste in music because he confines himself to one genre, no matter how good his taste within the genre is.

Because someone could think that prog rock is the only good genre of music. If this were true, their taste wouldn't be bad.

>>68632510
That's what I was saying. Agreed.

>>68632432
>Led Zeppelin is a truly great band
This is an unpopular opinion?

>>68632532
lol

>>68632476
so sad that it's a meme and people will miss out on so many great albums because "le dadrock meme hurrdurr"

>>68632532
At least we can all agree that smooth 'jazz' is the actual worst genre of music.

>>68632425
But it's not arbitrary which sounds sound good and which sounds sound bad to a human ear. I assume it's the same with any other part of music.

just like how cats love the taste of earwax, while humans just don't. of course there might be some anomalies, but being an anomaly means there's a rule to be an anomaly to. out of 7billion people, there could be a bunch. Of course I also agree with you that it's way overdone, what's '''''good'''' and what's '''''bad''''

The Wall is one of the finest rock albums. It is consistently great for the entire duration with absolutely no filler.

>>68632545
On this board it seems so

>>68630620
MBDTF>808s=LR>CD=Yeezus>TLOP>G

Spiderland sucks

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>>68632365
>Not Good Kid Maad City

>>68632617
I agree, what sounds harmonious is common basically across everyone. But how much more dissonance people prefer/tolerate varies significantly.

What's RAC?

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A Moon Shaped Pool is the best Radiohead album

>>68634733
>Radiohead
>good

>>68631722
>everything that isn't left-wing must be liked by /pol/

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>>68626933
Eminem is overrated
Noone plays him in any hood/car/club
Noone Ever request emin em
Sales do not equate to skill

Outsider is the best rapper of all time

>>68627955
>Wagner >> Mozart
FURTHER PROOF

>>68630218
That's not that unpopular, on /mu/ at least

It is incorrect, though

It's a waste of time to listen to anything except classical music.
Then after you have listened to the majority of classical music you should just create your own.

>>68638932
People who say this shit don't know anything other than the surface level of classical, without fail/

>>68639040
Go back to listening to some nog mumble over shit beats instead of making unintelligent posts on /mu/

>>68638932
>Then after you have listened to the majority of classical music
Do you know how much there is?

And I disagree, but I'm surprised composition isn't more common, even just among people who know theory. I mean, it doesn't have to be your life's work, but it could be fun to just write a simple etude or something. Though I suppose songwriting is a form of composition

>>68639146
There is a lot, don't get me wrong. But it's not hard to listen to most of it.

>>68639067
post 5 medieval composers you've listened to, followed by your top 3 20th century composers who composed post 1940.

>>68628325
>>68628325
>Trump isn't the ""racist"" the media brands him as


fucking this

>>68639170
But we're talking >1000 years of music, and if we include non-western art music, it's just that much more

But if we're talking essentials, then sure, but it'd still take a while

>>68639170
>But it's not hard to listen to most of it.
my sides, you're retarded. There are more composition made pre 1600 than the entirety of music you've listened to in your life.

>>68639180
Jacob Obrecht
Josquin Despres
Perotin
Leonin
Hildegard Bingen

Pierre Schaeffer
Shchedrin Rodion
Benjamin Britten

>>68639236
If you're committed and don't waste your time listening to shit music it won't take too long to get a large chunk of it.

>>68639244
>projecting this hard

music is gay

>>68639330
This

>>68639305
>it won't take too long to get a large chunk of it
are you baiting me? You can enjoy tons of art music for your entire life, and you still will have only listened to a fraction of the amount out there. Just imagine the amount of music that countless composers could have made over the past ~1500 years, and imagine how much of it has been lost, never heard by anybody since it was written. It's just way to much that you could ever take out a "large chunk" in "not too long". And that's what's great about it, you can't deplete, there'll always be more.

Also, traditional music is worth listening too, and that's a completely different beast in talks of the sheer amount that there is

>>68639423
I'm not saying you should listen to every last piece. What I'm saying is you should strive to listen to every last piece and when you begin to start understanding music more and more you should begin making your own.

In all honesty most modern music isn't that bad (except rap, rock and all the "genres" made past 2000) it is simply a waste of time. Why listen to some decent new release when you can listen to fantastic releases from the past. All in all, it is a waste of time to listen to anything except classical music.

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>>68639522
That's a bold strategy. Let's see how this plays out.

>>68628890
What did he write?

>>68639522
>What I'm saying is you should strive to listen to every last piece and when you begin to start understanding music more and more you should begin making your own.
that's a lot different than "listening to most of it"

>In all honesty most modern music isn't that bad (except rap, rock and all the "genres" made past 2000) it is simply a waste of time.
>Why listen to some decent new release when you can listen to fantastic releases from the past
Still, I disagree, but you don't even like contemporary classical? Don't be completely swept up in the music of the past, as valuable as it may be, Art music is still alive

>>68628325
LOL

>>68631053
Delet this

>>68639522
Well, I suppose that if you listen to enough 18th century music you might as well get some 18th century opinions to go with it.

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>>68631583
where did it touch you?

>>68639770
That's actually really funny.

>>68639522
*neckbeard intensifies

Hype Waltz is atleast the 4th best song of all time

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>>68639770

>>68639522
There are emotions you can get in other music that you can't get in classical music.

>>68639875
>Inb4 "MUH MUSICAL OBJECTIVISM"

current indie is almost identical to 80s pop music.

>Grime is one of the best genres for lyrical content
>Trap is one of the funniest genres Ive heard in a while
>Classical is for pedophiles
>So is Baroque
>Electronic music > Any other genre
come at me fgts

>>68640056
>grime
stopped reading

>>68631267
That's not an unpopular opinion

>Radiohead, Grimes and Car Seat Headrest are overrated as fuck.
>Car Seat Headrest is just a nerd who pukes after one beer and whose music sounds as fun and exciting as getting your library ID card from a 70-year-old woman.
>After 1991, no really good and significant and important music was released.
>The best music is Rock from the 70s. Allman Brothers, ZZ Top, Led Zep, Black Sabbath...
>I often tried to get into the stuff, /mu/ likes, like albums and artists and it is just pseudo-intellectual bullshit for hipsters with an ego problem and an elitist point of view.
>Fantano is an asshole.

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>>68640151
>After 1991, no really good and significant and important music was released.

>Slint really isn't that gud

Sorry guise

>>68627955
Who's your favorite pony, faggot?

>>68640151
>whose music sounds as fun and exciting as getting your library ID card from a 70-year-old woman.
Do you actually judge the merit of music based solely upon how "fun" or "exciting" it is?

>>68640355
You mean
>I don't really like Slint

>Pop music of the 50's-80's is objectively better than Pop music of today

>>68640151
>it is just pseudo-intellectual bullshit for hipsters with an ego problem and an elitist point of view.
the lack of self awareness is astounding

>comus isn't very good
>yung lean and everyone associated with him (gravity boys, shield gang, etc.) are all excellent and will probably blow up stateside some time soon
>yung hurn is unironically good

>>68640151
>>I often tried to get into the stuff, /mu/ likes, like albums and artists and it is just pseudo-intellectual bullshit for hipsters with an ego problem and an elitist point of view.
everyone who says this has taste similar to yours (classic rock), not a coincidence

>Kendrick Lamar is average he just gets overrated by white-guilt college kids

>>68640614
Nope, I'm just saying what it sounds like to me.

>>68640711
But I can also listen to music with 3 Chords and simple lyrics, without thinking that it is only for Plebs. And I dont necessarily think that my music is better than yours, because every music is just a matter of opinion. I just don't understand the hype behind /mu/s music.

>>68640738
There it is again, the elitism. Im not only listening to classic rock. I also listen to everything from Freejazz to classic to fucked-up extreme metal and noise shit and I think I could say that I know a little bit about music, so that argument doesn't count...

>>68640933
>I also listen to everything from Freejazz to classic to fucked-up extreme metal and noise shit
everyone who says this is greatly exaggerating their music knowledge/listening variety

Liturgy is good. HHH is a great and innovative musician.

>lana del rey is the best contemporary pop artist

>>68640933
If you were not a hypocrite, you wouldn't care about /mu/'s tastes

>>68640976
i agree that liturgy is good, although i've only listened to aesthetica so far
they remind me of glenn branca

>>68640977
she's up there

>>68640976

I really liked the Ark Work as an experimental rock album

>>68626933
I agree with most of what you said. Grimes and Bjork are trash, metal musicians are bro, fuck crust and folk punk, And on post punk I mainly agree except Telstar Drugs, Women, and their Viet Cong LP are pretty tight.

Pink Floyd's best songs are instrumentals or longer songs with more instrumental sections that vocals. Any Colour You Like is a true prog masterpiece.

>>68640933
>I just don't understand the hype behind /mu/s music.
You probably don't even try.

>>68639608
he was mocking trump supporters by pretending to be one and said he was 15

>>68626933
boom bap is the worst kind of hip hop

>>68641032
i really like the ark work as an update of the "necro" sound, sort of using death grips' "digitally raw" aesthetic as an example, and maybe as a kind of meta-black metal

Carly Rae Jepson is more than just a meme and is the single best pop musician of the since 2010

>>68642773
that's an interesting position

>>68642812
Yeah, I really LOVED Emotion. Probably a 9/10 for me, every track is pure pop bliss.

>Beatles' White Album is the single most overrated album of all time. Most of it's just Bill Haley and Little Richard wank that people call innovative because they're ignorant and it's the Beatles
>Never Mind The Bollocks is mostly complete shit outside of a couple singles, and only musical retards would call it the beginning of punk.
>Avenged Sevenfold has a 10/10 album and two 9.5's
>Kate Bush is the greatest pop artist of all time
>MPP is nothing special and Sung Tongs is dog shit. STGSTV is by far their best album
>jeru The Damaja is overrated and not that good a rapper
>London Calling is 10/10 and everything else the Clash did was trash

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Spiritual State is the best Nujabes album.

>>68643896
Damn, that's crazy. Favorite songs on it? Modal Soul's my favorite because side A is legitimately flawless imo

>most punk bands are political hypocrites

>>68628325
>Hillary is a corrupt snake and Trump isn't the ""racist"" the media brands him as
Only retards think this is wrong

>>68643938
I just have the feeling that it flows a lot better than his other albums for whatever reason, not to fault the rest of his discography.

Favourite tracks off it would be Spiral, Rainyway Back Home and Island.

>>68644001
Island is absolutely gorgeous. I actually agree that it flows better, but I also think Modal Soul didn't really try to flow, it just had a lot of amazing standalone songs

>>68627337
god this is fucking terrible

>>68627062
>I fuck with Ariana Grande heavy

Word

>>68626933
>Hip-Hop made after 2001 is redundant

I don't really know where to begin with this. In what way? What from pre-2001 sounds like anything post that period?

>>68627118
Wouldn't go that far, but Sia is ok.


>>68627209
I strongly agree with the second part.

>>68630015
Out.

>>68627448
Me too, though I'm trying to get into C-pop & R&B. I just don't like going outside of my comfort zone musically.


>>68630620
>>68632780

808s >> TLOP => MBDTF > CD = LR > Yeezus > G. I'm speaking only in terms of how much I can enjoy the tapes. I may well revisit his discog.

>>68640677
In what way? Music does have objective elements, but you haven't actually explained which elements were more advanced in the 50s-80s than today.

>>68640977
Strong disagreement. All she does is wail pitifully--which was interesting the first time with her aesthetic. The issue is that she is very much stuck in a rut artistically.

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>>68628325

>>68632432
YMMR did a great job of getting me into the genre, super accessible without sacrificing quality

what are the big 3 shoegaze albums though? i can guess the first two

>>68644233
Probably Loveless and Ride- either Going Blank Again or Nowhere

>All /mu/core is objectively trash
>Pop can never be good, catchy =/= good
>Post-rock is a quality genre

>>68637644
he's put out some pretty great albums in the past but he should have lost relevance after the eminem show, he hasn't done anything good since then and even that album was barely tolerable. some of the singles on mmlp2 were good though

>>68644285
can you explain the first two a little bit? I'm with you on post rock all the way

AFI is one of the best bands ever and all of their releases are fantastic. Blaqk Audio is also god tier.

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>>68626933
>Hardcore Punk has no reason to exist in the current year
>Unpopular opinion

Lol Wut?

>>68630434
Kek I actually really unironically enjoy pre- im not a fan but the kids like it brokencyde

>Hardcore punk at any point is more pretentious than prog was at its worst.

>>68640151
>Fantano is an asshole
Objectively wrong. Faggot.

The only good thing that came out of punk was post punk

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1995 was the best year for Hip Hop, with 88' following behind it.

>>68628783
Utah pls go.

David Bowie and every musician associated with him is fucking garbage

>>68644639
Agreed, except 94 is second and 88 third. Also dope 95 chart, all great albums except return of 36 but that's just imo

>>68644667
The fact that you would aimlessly lash out at anyone who worked with him shows that you just have a chip on your shoulder and no real rational reason to think he's bad.

>calling one of the greatest producers and the greatest ambient artist in music history trash

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>>68626933
>"Patrician" taste is a meme
>People care too much about what some 80 year old spanish fuck thinks about music
>I think Loveless is nothing if not boring, the only thing good to come out of it was the cover The Antlers did
>I think Tycho isnt as bad or boring as everyone says he/they are
>Bands that use "Wuh Oh" and the like should go back to where they came from and learn how to write actual lyrics
>World's End Girlfriend gets too much hate, and not enough attention in general.
>Water Curses is way better than People
>Trout Mask Replica is garbage. there's nothing to "get".

>>68644667
Kys

>>68644896
>"Patrician" taste is a meme
But that isn't an opinion, that's a fact

And Prospect Hummer is the best ep imo, but Water Curses is a close second

>>68644896
>there's nothing to "get"

Do you know music theory?

>>68644961
don't have to be a cook to know the food tastes like shit.

>Celtic punk is cool but "regular" folk punk tends to be boring
>Post-punk is pretty useless as a genre name because of how fucking vast the sound palette can be. It's better to just use a more specific descriptor.
>Take what I just said about post-punk and apply it to jazz fusion as well
>Big beat is worthless as a genre
>Ska is boring (Reggae is cool though)
>I don't much care for the majority of mu-core. Some of it is good
>I instantly disregard anyone who attempts to pass off their subjective tastes as objective in any way

>>68645019
No, but being a cook can lead to developing a more diverse or stronger palette that may lead to you enjoying the food more.

>>68645115
And what IS there to enjoy in TMR?

>Hail To The Thief and The King of Limbs are way superior to the derivative faux-avant garde OK Computer and Kid A
>academic electronic music like Xenakis is bourgeoise garbage
>in fact, almost all academic music is bourgeoise garbage
>Jazz is academic music for niggers
>The Beach Boys are overrated
>Elvis Presley is underrated
>Don Caballero killed math rock just as MBV killed shoegaze
>Iggy's China Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowie's China Girl
>TVU was literally perfect until Cale left, then it became shit
>screamo > black metal
>soundtracks for the blind is boring
>the seer > to be meme

>>68645179
The pleasure I and most people get from TMR is the thousands of musical intricacies one can pick out: the polyrhythms, tempo changes, the fantastic builds and releases of the tension. It's an album to dissect and piece together like a puzzle, not snap your fingers together or find aesthetically pleasing. Plus it was a really challenging concept at the time to speak basically pure gibberish on a record, which I find genius. I love Lyrics but they are so overrated in the public eye

>>68645250
Help me out here... In what way does OKC try to be avant-garde/how do you interpret it to try to be such? It's just a damn good and unique rock album. I don't think it tried to break off the wheel or anything

>>68645252
this

I love commercial pop punk bands put together by Jewish talent agencies that were on the radio in the early to mid 00's.

Music is always better if you can dance to it.

>>68626933
Pretty much all rap music is unlistenable. I don't understand how anyone can listen to it and enjoy it.

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>>68645252
maybe i'll give it another shot
>>68645693
try to listen to Earl Sweatshirt's Grief, and don't just click off right away cuz he said nigga, listen to the whole thing and listen to the lyrics along with it.

Most of the stuff /mu/ touts and great is boring as fuck.
Same goes for what most high profile critics seem to recommend.

>>68645738
Couldn't listen to it for more than 15 seconds once he started spewing. Also why would the lyrics affect my enjoyment of it?

> There are only two worthwhile beat tapes, everything else is derivative wankery
> J. Dilla is massively overrated
> Frank Ocean is massively overrated
> Streaming services are a scarlet letter for plebs
> VEKTROID >>>> Grimes

>>68644961
If you need to study the intricacies of music to like it, skip it.

>>68645776
Obscure elitism is known to suck dick unless you're an obscure elitist

>>68644896
>antlers MBV cover
my fucking dude

>>68646079
I know right? It's so fucking underrated.
I know that Uprooted isn't that popular on here but holy fuck do I love that track. Even if it is a bonus track.

Modern Post Hardcore can be good


Sue me

>>68646422
I've been listening to Post-Hardcore for many years. If you're not a classicsfag like some people I know, you know that modern post-hardcore is currently seeing it's golden days.

>Hardcore Punk is objectively the greatest form of an extreme type of music
>Techinical Metal as well as most modern math groups are extremely boring to listen to unless you're trying to play along
>EDM post 2003 was irrelevant to furthering music (minus some prodigy) and completely trash post 2009
>while most people complain about mumble and trap rap I find post 2014/15 hip hop more technically sound and easy on the ears than mid 2000's southern hip hop/crunk/party music
>2011/12's Molly rap scene was the beginning of the end for modern males secretly subjecting them to a life of numale ism and cuctitude
>Danzig is objectively a better singer than Graves (Not the opinion part, actual truth) but due to more of the pop influence in graves writings they tend to be more accessible (see helena)
>90s Gangster rap is superior to the New York backpack scene in multiple ways
>The Beatles are not even close to being the top 500 bands of all time
>Led Zeppelin is easily the most Cringey band to hear someone under 30 say umironically is their favorite band
>nickelback while horrendous is still better than fucking seen
>Harley is superior to all were albums including blue album
>Death grips is NOT the shit contrary to what everyone in this bitch thinks... maybe top 250 but not anywhere close to that edgy or revolutionary
>Tyler and Odd Future were both the best and worst things to happen to modern hip hop and really indicative of how modern Angelino native culture but unfortunately made it a trend and spread it to the world
>Mississippi delta blues destroys Chicago windy city blues
>American Football is not even close to greatest emo band
>anyone who purposely tries to categorize their music as "fugazi like" or posthardcore already lost all credibility as that is disgenuine in nature and therefore you are not being fugazi
>London calling is by far the best clash album with GEER a close second
>rotting out is easily the best hardcore band of all time, yes even dethroning BF

>bandcamp is a fantastic medium for artists from every walk of life
>most guitarists don't know shit about tone
>For the most part, Fantano is usually right.
>Liturgy is an epic band who not only make music that is very enjoyable to listen to, but they dive into territory not done by many artists in general, even more so in metal, and succeed in making themselves stand out as avant-garde legends
>I've never listened to Grimes
>Seriously... who the fuck is Halsey?
> Azealea Banks makes good music. Oh, did she beef with someone again? Yeah, don't care. Her music is tight.
>TLOP is Kanye's best album to date
>the new wave of emo is tight
>Mumble rap is more fun than lyrically intricate rap
>Kendrick will be remembered as a legend

>>68645100
Go to MI
You'll learn very quick that most people think music is more often objective than it is subjective... and they might be factually correct

Dance Gavin Dance released their best album this year.

Jamie T is good.

Emo is an awful form of music full of unhelpful self-pity.

Leading on from this, most /mu/-core is shockingly bad

Most jazz is trash liked by people who wear socks with sandals.

Ska is only good when British/Jamaican people make it, Americans should be banned.

There hasn't been a piece of electronic music that will last that's been produced yet. In 2000 or so I thought it was going to be a huge new venue for real art but it turns out it's just candy. Very disappointing.

kanye west has a whiny bitch rapping voice when he isn't mutilating it with autotune, so i've never bothered trying to get into his music. it doesn't help that his apologists are some of the dumbest people on the internet

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>>68627955
>artraping
faggot who doesn't know shit about art detected
just because you listen to classical doesn't mean your opinions aren't shit

>>68628325
/mu/ - Music

>>68628325
You have to go back

>I can't get any interest in punk music or its derivatives.
>Weezer is a medicore band to say the least.
>I generally find it hard to relate to 90 percent of indie-rock/pop songs because they mostly talk about social issues or relationships (which I have none to begin with).
>Kpop is even more cancerous and artifical than Western Pop.

> all white fans of hip-hop on some level want brownie points with 'le cool negroes' or with 'woke' SJWs
> poptimism is the single worst movement in music since crunkcore
> post-rock is dead
> Nothing are the only good nugaze band

>>68640081
On /mu/ it is

>>68648667
forgot

> any talent Young Thug, Deafheaven, Beyonce, and Anohni have is completely overriden by the amount of dickriding music publications do for them

>>68627118
Amen about sia

>>68648667
>implying that white people can only enjoy hip hop on a political level and that it's impossible for them to actually enjoy the music
dumb opinion, saying "on some level" doesn't cancel out that implication
>implying that poptimism is a genre by comparing it to crunkcore
i think you need to learn what poptimism is before complaining about it
you're right about post-rock though, it's a pity

>>68643874
which one is the 10/10 album? I'm honestly curious about it

A majority of hip hop beats sound uninspired to me, and the most basic form of rhythm to bob your head along to without needing to pay any actual attention to the instrumental. Even the legendary hip hop albums feel this way to me, it is all so fucking boring, I don't know why why people get so attached to these dull fucking beats, so much of it sounds the same to me.

I guess it doesn't help that I'm not big on lyrics and that is a massive part of what makes hip hop what it is, so I can see why someone really into the lyrics would not care as much. But then again, lets not fucking kid ourselves, I know it's a meme but how much hip hop is braggadocios bullshit about slinging dope and doing crime.

Bores me.

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Vaporwave is genuinely good ambient with a genuinely beautiful aesthetic

Deathstar's The Perfect Cult is the greatest album I have ever heard, as it is the closest to being the antithesis to christian praise music I have ever heard.

Slint, American Football, Mineral, Real Estate, Beach Fossils, Radiohead and Neutral Milk a shit. It's all shitty mumbling or whining over simple guitar strumming, which is the pinnacle of achieving mediocrity.

Arthur Brown > King Crimson

Muse > Radiohead

Primus > Swans

WOOP WOOP

Ladytron > Bjork

RYM's top 500 a total shit. Most of the albums don't deserve to be there, and those that do are placed too low.

>>68650109
>care to be more specific?

>>68650163
About?

>>68650185
woops my bad, didn't copy correctly. I was referring to
>RYM's top 500 a total shit. Most of the albums don't deserve to be there, and those that do are placed too low.

>>68650195
Most of the albums listed are mediocre, uninteresting and simply there because they got rated highly on p4k, Rolling Stone and Billboard. It's the kind of music you'd expect to find at the top of a list made by someone who never delved far into music, whose tastes never strayed far beyond what got played on the radio.

>Lyrics suck and take away from the experience of listening to music

>>68643874
You should be shot you avenged sevenfold fanboy. Go suck on the Rev's limp dead cock.

Sia, Ariana Grande, and Lady Gaga are actually good

GYBE is one of my least favorite post-rock bands

TVU is just ok

>>68650415
That's a bit harsh. You sound like the kind of guy that hasn't even heard their first 3 albums and just hate them for their image and reputation

>>68650420
What's your favorite post rock band, then?

>>68639875
this. please show me a classical piece that describes and/or explores the feelings related to growing up in a poor/criminal community like many modern hiphop albums do. Or dealing with drug abuse, or any other theme that wasn't politically correct in the <1900s

To Pimp A Butterfly is Kendricks worst album yet. Slightly worse than Section.80 and miles worse than GKMC

>>68650992
Christ dude just read a book about those topics then. Lyricfags are the worst.

>>68626933
>Folk Punk is lame

Agree but my band is going in that direction RIP me

>Hardcore punk has no reason to exist in current year

Agree too. ITs tryhard now

>Grimes is horrible

Thank you

>>68651079
Not him, and I don't care about lyrics, but what if I want something heavy, pulsating and tantric? What if I want an electronic sound? What if I need something dark and violently trashing? What if I feel like getting into a Mad Max-like soundscape?

Classical is mostly either lilting and carefree harpsichords or operatic and melodramatic trombones with the occasional cymbal clash.

And believe me, I've listened to classical - it's all I was allowed to listen to until I was 16. It's a good genre, but it can only do so much.

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>>68645250

>OKC doesn't try as hard as you say it does
>Sensual jazz from Coltrane or Davis is for when you're studying pussy, not academics
>Iggy's China Girl is only like >>>>>>>> better than Bowie's

at least your unpopular opinions aren't shit opinions :-)

>>68640977
Correct

>>68645784

try to not be so racist

or just go back to black metal/mainstream pop/classical since you don't give a shit about lyrics

>Hip-Hop made after 2001 is redundant
Nope, some of the best Hip Hop albums have been made since and have brought new sounds to the table.
>Post-Punk Revival is garbage whose only redeeming quality is the renewed interest in '80s Post-Punk
Some bands are good but mostly I agree.
>Hardcore Punk has no reason to exist in the current year
Hmm, yeah.
>Folk Punk is lame
No
>With a few outlying exceptions, Power Electronics is the emperor's new clothes of "music"
No
>Grimes is horrible and her fans are worse
Yes, completely agree.
>So is Bjork
Na she's ok.
>Shakka-Ahmose is a soulful man
Who?
>Metal musicians are pretty bro in spite of the "rockstar attitude" stereotype, although most musicians in almost every genre are condescending assholes
Depends on the genre, really.
>Fuck Crust
Who?
>RAC is good
Literally who?

death grips is utter garbage made for autistic contrarian beta teenagers, and any opinion a death grips fan has should never be taken seriously

>>68650917
Probably Tortoise or Do Make Say Think

>>68645250
How did Don Cabarello kill math rock when the best math rock album didn't come out till 2004?

>>68645250
>Jazz is academic music for niggers
wew
>Don Caballero killed math rock just as MBV killed shoegaze
Trying this hard to be contrarian.
>screamo > black metal
I don't even like black metal that much but I've never enjoyed a single screamo song.

Death Grips isn't music.

>>68651545
Why not?

>>68651568
do you call garbage you find in the dumpster music? no, you dont

>>68651613
Not an argument.
What makes it not music?

>>68646632
What bands label themselves as being "Fugazi like"?
They are very influential but I've never heard anyone say that.

>>68651613
>>68651545
Why are you so invested in discrediting a band you don't like?

>>68651545
That's not an opinion though. That's just wrong

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>>68626933
This album is terrible and people on this board only like it because p4k gave it a 9.0.
Also Kanye hasn't done anything genuinely good since MBDTF.

Music is for fucking queers

>>68651751
Well, duh. How else are you supposed to get off after sticking it in another man?

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>>68626933
>fuck Crust
>fuck Haradcore
>RAC is good

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>>68651761
what if man sticks you? would you listen to different music? the posibilities are endless

>>68627062
I genuinely love gothboiclique too.
For all of their obvious flaws, the fact that you can't even pin them to a genre proves that they are breaking ground.
I'd post about them more here if I didn't fear them getting turbomemed.

In his prime, Gucci Mane was better than your favorite rapper
So probably was Lil Wayne
Panopticon is one of the only interesting BM acts active today
Travis Scott is for hypebeast virgins who pay too much for weed
Dan Bejar is a humorless twat

>>68632476
>implying ACDC, Metallica, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd (particulatrly DSotM), Def Leppard, Twisted Sister, Motorhead, Whitesnake, CCR, Tom Petty, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Moody Blues, Alice Cooper, and Motley Crue aren't the most prototypical bands you hear a dad say they like.

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>>68645784
>wondering why lyrics would affect the enjoyment
>in a song where it's genre's main focus is lyricism

>>68630218
>What is the Great Annihilator

>>68630639
Your opinion is objectively garbage.

>>68631053
>Substance doesn't have Disorder
Nice try

new order > joy division

>>68636110
>Implying

>>68640151
>After 1991, no really good and significant and important music was released.
>What is Kid A
>What is MBDTF
>What is ITAOS

>>68645250
I don't know I agree with you on OKC but Kid A is so fucking good.

>>68640151
>tfw I won't be this close-minded when I'm 40

feels good man

>>68646664
>Most guitars don't know shit about tone
You're so right

>>68652402
No

fuck The Flaming Lips

>>68627315
>>68630015
>>68630218
>>68632432
>>68632635
>>68640743
>>68643874
>>68644896
>>68651066
>>68651904
agree
agree

>>68630620
MBDTF>LR>TLOP>808>YEEZUS>CD>G

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>>68626933
>Hip-hop has only gotten better and our current era is at least as much of a "golden age" as the 90s if not moreso
>AnCo isn't "bad" as much as everything they release (together or solo) sounds exactly the same
>ITAOTS really *is* that good
>jay-z doesn't deserve half the acclaim his music, even his early music, receives
>outkast should be considered at least on the same tier as biggie/2pac/nas, if not above them
>PC music is what vaporwave wants to be
>"wall of sound" production sucks
>a lot of "pleb" music on this board is pretty good
>bush had no advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on september 11th, 2001
>atrocity exhibition is unquestionably AOTY

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"Only Shallow" is the worst track on the album. I love the album, but "Only Shallow" isn't that great.

>>68652967
I think this album fucking sucks. Only Shallow and Come In Alone are the only songs that do anything for me.

>>68652959
agree with all except Jay, wall of sound, and Anco. Their albums sound a lot different from one another

>>68630298
That's just what YOU THINK though, you're confusing opinions for fact. Someone could only listen to prog and think they have great taste, and they're not wrong because it's an OPINION, opinions cannot be wrong or right.
And quality of music? This must be a joke because everyone thinks differently on what they deem good quality or poor quality. Everyone thinks different. This isn't hard to grasp
My god

>>68626933
>Hip-Hop made after 2001 is redundant

is that because 9/11?

>>68638932
If you honestly believe this, why are you even here

>>68639766
This made me smile

>>68652959
>>AnCo isn't "bad" as much as everything they release (together or solo) sounds exactly the same
compare stgstv to mpp, theyre quite noticeably different. your statement could work for their output from strawberry jam onwards, but not for works before that
>>outkast should be considered at least on the same tier as biggie/2pac/nas, if not above them
>>"wall of sound" production sucks
agreed, also think the second one is a very popular opinion

>Brendon Urie is an amazing amazing musician and songwriter, and P!ATDs studio discography is stellar, end on end.
I mean, they completely changed their sound on every record, all while working around a changing band lineup, while consistently charting and holding extreme relevance for a decade straight. C'mon.

PINK FLOYD IS BORING ZZZZZZZZZ

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>>68651751
the only objective statement said this thread

Thrash metal is redundant as a genre, has been for the past 15 years. Why do 14 year olds keep trying to revive it?

>>68639840
most important artist of all time

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>The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

>>68655169
Scaruffi Spagetti please go

>>68626933
>Bob Dylon is a marginal songwriter and didn't deserve that award. He's got the voice of a shrill alarm clock.
> The Beatles should be remembered for the amazing things they pulled off in the studio with just 8 tracks rather than their majority hippy-shit songs
>Punk and any music with "core" at the end of is trash
> One man "Youtuber" bands are depressing, seriously you couldn't find one single other musician to play with you?
> I normally don't boycott artists because of their personalities, but Kanye is insufferable.
>People need to not be so fucking insecure about musical taste and their personality, and stop getting triggered if someone says "[someone's favorite artist] sucks"
>Metal takes practice and focuses on a specific part of your vocal chords, you don't just scream into a mic.
>Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin aren't the greatest to ever exist
>You aren't a musician if you don't understand basic theory