Don't mind me, just posting the only good pop-punk album.

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>>68578917
>only good pop-punk album

nah, there are plenty of other ones

>>68578956
nah, pls die.

>>68579243
If you can enjoy Buzzcocks it isn't too much of a stretch to like early Green Day too, the songwriting style is very much alike being predominantly power pop influenced punk rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG-QdIrgh9Q

>>68579243
why do people pretend green day hasn't put out at least 3 solid albums

>>68578917
Wrong, The Buzzcocks are shit, too.

>>68579339
>>68579448
nah, pls die.

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>>68578917

yeah dude?

>>68579483
solid fucking argument m8 good taste keep being a smart guy

>>68579491

eat dick nerd

>>68579491
That album's too heavy to really call pop-punk.

>>68578917
Love Bites is great too

>>68579506
K

>>68579491
This is the only right thing in this thread

>>68579513

I kinda disagree? It's hardcore punk for sure but it deals with some pretty nonstandard themes (at least back then) what with all the songs about rejection and girls and stuff. If anything, it's a precursor to pop punk.

>>68579588
Definitely a precursor, but it's not quite the same kind of music as Green Day. I think it's just too hardcore to call pop.

>>68579339
If you can enjoy early green day it isn't too much of a stretch to like any era green day

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>>68578917
>anon asks that you don't mind him
>you guys put this thread on the front page

>>68578917
Pop punk isn't a genre. This is not punk. None of this punk. This is just run of the mill rock

>>68579959
So if one of the most essential punk rock bands like Buzzcocks isn't punk, what is?

>>68580007
I've literally seen people saying that the Ramones and Sex Pistols weren't punk.

>>68580039
uh the ramones four sharks aren't and the sex pistols ruined punk

Pleasantly surprised nobody has posted any of that shitty new school pop punk garbage yet (Wonder Years, TSSF, Say Anything)

>>68580176
wonder years are good tho

>>68580065
>uh the ramones four sharks aren't
Pretending to be retarded still means being retarded.

>and the sex pistols ruined punk
Okay, I'll admit there's truth to this.

>>68580613
u gotta take the good with the bad sometimes :^)

>>68580176
Because it's a school night and they gotta get up early for the bus

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Make Pop Punk Good Again

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>>68578917
is this pop punk?
I guess its kinda OI!
either way its pretty good

>>68579588
>If anything, it's a precursor to pop punk.
>>68579616
>Definitely a precursor

Buzzcocks came after Descendents? :^)

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anybody heard this?

So many great songs on that album. Listened to it alot when I first got it. It's different from other standard 3 chord pop-punk I've heard and actually has pretty decent songwriting. These days I'm really into the new Jeff Rosenstock oh and >>68581477
this is pretty gud 2.

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>>68578917
No
>1. it's a compilation
>2. their other releases are just as good
>3. implying the Undertones weren't god-tier as well

>>68581612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71PNZH1OaW0

>>68579959
>This is just run of the mill rock
Isn't that what Early Punk was, a return to the roots of Rock 'n Roll?

>>68580065
the sex pistols were the only decent band to come out of punk desu

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>>68582768
objectively false

>>68582787
don't know them, don't care

>>68582768
>>68581527

>>68582768
very false. sex pistols is entry level of genre - the band

>>68582662
yes that was the idea behind Ramones, then the Sex pistols came and made it about attitude and not about music so it went to hell,

for me the ramones (and Punk died the moment Marky entered the band)
Tommy was the real brains, and phil spector just killed them and layed the bases to pop punk

>>68582828
>sex pistols is entry level of genre

it's a shit genre, like grunge. of which nirvana were the only decent band btw.

yw for the free redpill

>>68581686
>implying the Undertones weren't god-tier as well
No
1. The Undertones had only two good songs
2. Feargal Sharkey is a massive cunt

>>68582812
of course you don't know who X is because you're a fucking faggot

>>68581686
but they are just pop

>>68582949
sorry for not knowing some niche band in a genre I detest

>>68582768
shit taste. The Sex Pistols were money-grubbing Mclaren puppets that marketed his clothing for him and released one album because they didn't actually give a shit about their music. The members were all bad at their instruments and they had no songwriting talent as a group. The only even bearable song on that album is Anarchy in the UK

>>68582982
>a genre I detest
why are you in this thread again?

>>68582857
>Nirvana were the only decent Grunge band
Ahahaha no

>>68582990
>muh sex pistols were a boyband
nice meme argument, tripfag. here's a meme argument back at you: write a song as good as new york and come back.

>>68582994
to be a cunt towards 17 yr old proles who think they know music

>>68582990
>The members were all bad at their instruments

Also:

>a punk band. bad at their instruments.

WEEEEEEEEWWWWWW

>>68583037
>sex pistols were a boyband
you said it, not me. Great straw man though. I only called them untalented puppets. New York is a shitty song, what do you see in it?
>>68583057
I'm confused, are you saying all punk bands are bad at their instruments? That's absurd

>>68581686
>1. it's a compilation
so?
>2. their other releases are just as good
no, unless you're talking about Spiral Scratch
>3. implying the Undertones weren't god-tier as well
good but not as good

>>68582857
omg you sound like such a pleb. have you even dived into these genres beyond the entry levels?

>>68583087
>New York is a shitty song, what do you see in it
I like the guitar riff. Steve Jones is a don.

>I'm confused, are you saying all punk bands are bad at their instruments? That's absurd
No, learn to read. A key element of first wave punk was that bands were shit at playing music. I'd go as far as saying being shit at your instrument was a key part of the punk ethic.

After that, of course, punk became careerism for no-no's (probably the bands you are into), and all this got thrown out of the window. Sweet irony how you throw careerism at the sex pistols though. Get an original thought, ya poor little faggot.

>>68583229
What the hell are you talking about? Sure, a lot of punk music was built around a simple chord progression and power-chord heavy riffs that aren't particularly difficult but that doesn't mean it was a huge thing where everyone was bad at their instruments and that was okay. Ron Asheton was a sick guitarist for the Stooges long before the Pistols tried to throw the genre in the toilet. What do you even mean by careerism, that they did it for the money?

>>68583229
I don't get this out of all the early era punk the Sex Pistols is your fav? I remember liking them when I was 14 but man how fast I grew out of their stuff.

>>68583333
Well, you may not think it's like it is, but it do. One of the key factors of punk was the bad musicianship.

Please enlighten me of the depth of genius of the guitar skills of the heartbreakers and the ramones.

No, the Stooges were not punk. And I prefer James Williamson \m/

The Sex pistols did not throw the genre in the trashl the genre was barely existent and they dragged it into the mainstream, coincidentally giving a podium for a lot of slipstream shit to have a career.

Anyway, for a boyband they were pretty influential.

>>68583426
Johnny Rotten is a great singer, I like Steve Jones as a guitarist. Love the production of the album, love the simplicity yet catchiness of the songs.

Also, I don't grow out of stuff I like. Wtf nigga, how do you go from liking music to disliking it? Get better taste.

>>68583494
Growing out of music means you don't listen to it anymore because it doesn't stimulate your taste buds you dick nigga. Doesn't mean I "dislike" it. I think you need better taste.

also

>Stooges not punk
>to play punk you needed to be bad at your instrument

>>68583494
you're retarded

The ramones are also shit. I'm not sure why you think I would like them after my complaints about the pistols

>Stooges were not punk
kek. Read a fucking book moron

>punk was barely existent in '77
wew, this is getting to be too much. You know very little my friend

I don't argue at all that they were influential, of course they were. Just for the worse

>Johnny Rotten is a great singer
wow, you actually went THAT far to defend your shit album. That is on no level true for any genre of music. You can like his voice, that's fine, but the dude's an AWFUL singer

>>68583517
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf6gJU3520

>>68583539
The Stooges were hard rock. All your tripfaggotry won't magically make them punk. But I guess if you consider them punk, there's an array of other bands you find punk as well. Please pinpoint the year/month/day you think punk started. The pistols were around in '76 by the way.

And I like his voice then, fair enough. Don't have to go all reddit because of semantics.

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>>68578917
Just a friendly reminder that The Buzzcocks wouldn't even be around if this album hadn't been released three years prior.

>>68579491
Let's just call it a tie and leave it at that. Remember that The Buzzcocks are from Manchester England and The Descendents are from Southern California.

>>68580039
They weren't around in 1977 so they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Those people should eat a bag of dicks and die.

>>68580065
A fine example of what I'm talking about in reference to the above statement.

>>68581527
Stiff Little Fingers is not considered Oi! but fans of Oi! like them. I actually saw them open up for Cock Sparrer (Who ARE considered Oi!) a few years back. They're more considered traditional 1977 style punk. If you consider the first two Clash albums "Pop Punk" then I guess one might consider this album the same (Great album BTW)

>>68581612
I don't really consider this pop punk but.......

You know what anon? I LIKE you! You're not like the others posting here on /mu/.
Oh don't get me wrong. They're all content to have arguments about who's more pop punk Green Day Buzzcocks or The Descendents or weather The Ramones or Sex Pistols were punk at all. They're good people and fine posters BUT...............

>>68581686
They early singles (Especially the 45 version of True Confessions) and the very first album are GOAT but they lost me after Hypnotized.

>>68582851
I disagree. The Sex Pistols were great and Road to Ruin is a great album. I'll agree w/you that Phil Spector should NEVER have been involved w/The Ramones and basically ruined End of The Century but albums like Animal Boy and Too Tough To Die are great albums.

>>68582857
There was never any genre of music known as "Grunge". It was a marketing ploy like "Oi!"
It was a made up term to repackage music that had stopped being popular years ago. Grunge is nothing but re-hashed Aerosmith and Led Zepplin while Oi! is re-hashed Slade and Sweet mixed in with re-hashed Sex Pistols and early Clash.

>>68582990
But isn't that what punk is all about in the first place? Taking the money and running and maintaining an image while you're at it.

And I disagree. I think Never Mind the Bollocks is a great album. After 38 years I can STILL listen to that album from start to finish w/o skipping one song and Bodies beats Anarchy in The U.K. any day of the week.

>>68583601
The Damned released their debut in 75 early 76 I think? Atleast before Sex Pistols. There's also a few more mentions in this "when did it start" category.

>Stooges
>Hard Rock

Goddamn man what is it you don't get? They clearly had the punk aesthetic from day one even tho it was way before the punk label even existed.

>>68583601
Of course they have songs that are har rock-y but they are universally agreed upon to be a garage punk/proto-punk band over all else. Go look at their wikipedia or RYM page, man. I'm shocked you can't just listen to their music and see how very clearly they're punk. You're not great with genre identification, huh?

Punk began in the early 60's with artists like The Sonics and even some of the Kinks' early work. Those are just some of the bigger names. You really should buy some literature on the genre, it's actually really interesting how it came to be.. 15 years before the pistols
>>68583713
In case you don't know(and I don't expect you to) I wasn't serious about saying you have shit taste or anything if you like the album. If you like it that's awesome for you, just like any piece of music, I just strongly dislike it for the reasons I mentioned.


Fuck no that isn't what punk's about. What?? Come on man. Punk was a rebellion to a highly authoritarian and conservative social order that existed in the UK and US at the time, and a catharsis of the repressed feelings people were feeling. The same thing happened with the puritans, the victorians, etc. History repeats itself

>>68583733
same as caling The Kinks britpop

>>68583713
>There was never any genre of music known as "Grunge". It was a marketing ploy like "Oi!"
Yes, that's how genres are made. Anyway, Pearl Jam for sure are the whiniest bunch of shitheads ever to form a band. As a band, being lobbed into the same genre as them should be enough to do a sudoku, or at least rethink your sound.

>>68583801
>Punk began in the early 60's with artists like The Sonics and even some of the Kinks' early work.

wrong, punk began in 1875 when Skip McJamerson smashed a guitar over his brothers head and decided to only play chords that had blood spats on them

thanks for the history lesson btw. forgot the small faces and dusty springfield

>>68583831
Nice meme lol, anyway glad I could help. Even though I feel like you're trying to troll me by saying Dusty. She's very clearly a pop artist

>>68583811
I'm done with you. And I agree with >>68583801
completely. Listen to the damn music and it should be clear? From the first moment I heard Stoogs my brain told me it's punk, not hardrock.
It doesn't even feel like you know much about this music at all.

And no it's not the same as calling The Kinks britpop because the Kinks have shifted their sound throughout the years.

>>68583896
>And no it's not the same as calling The Kinks britpop because the Kinks have shifted their sound throughout the years.
wat, it is exactly the same as calling the kinks britpop. blur pretty much were a kinks cover band at some point

when I listen to gimme danger or search and destroy or fug house, no, I do not think of punk.

what'cha gonna do about it by the small faces does remind me of punk however. then again it also sounds like solomon burke. weird

>>68583887
wrong dusty was soul :^)

>>68583801
As far as your first statement is concerned I think you have me confused with another poster.

(The statement about shit taste)

As far as my comments about punk being all about taking the money and running that was sort of serious on many levels but was ultimately meant as tongue in cheek sarcasm.

However I don't 100% agree with your statements about punk being a form of rebellion unless of course you're talking about a form of social rebellion against boredom and complacency and boredom and not political rebellion against the ruling class like most historical revisionist proclaim. Politics in punk came later and most certainly had NOTHING to do w/anything The Sex Pistols were saying. All one has to do is actually examine the lyrics to Anarchy in The U.K. and God Save The Queen. Google is your friend.

>>685837733 (Nice dubs)
You're right. New Rose was released in 1976 and is considered the first British punk rock single of the 1970s (Or at least when the term finally came into vogue) and I believe that Damned X 3 was released in 1977 and definitely months before Never Mind the Bollocks. (Fun fact: The Damned were also the VERY FIRST British punk band to come to the U.S. in 1977)

>>68583733
See >>68583974 in response to your comments about The Damned.

>>68583967
Dude, you just have your genres all fucked up. I haven't seen it this bad in a while.

>small faces

Sometimes psychy pop rock with an early rock n roll influence. ZERO punk in their sound

>dusty

Sigh... She's a pop soul/blue eyed soul singer dude, but she makes pop music. Face it, you aren't going to win against me. You've been wrong about everything so far and I don't know what in the world makes you not see Search and Destroy as punk. That's nuts
>>68583974
>However I don't 100% agree with your statements about punk being a form of rebellion unless of course you're talking about a form of social rebellion against boredom and complacency

Dude that's literally what I said, are you even reading my posts. I said rebellion against the conservative social order and authoritarian style, AKA a social rebellion. I didn't even mention politics hahah. Please use better reading comp next time so I can avoid repeating myself

>>68583974
Great response and yes Damned x 3 is from early 77. Love that record. And I cannot see how anyone can agree Damned or the Sex Pistols is punk, but not The Stooges.

>>68580176
>>68580185
This, the wonder years are an incredible band.

>>68584281
they're pretty good, and I'm not usually a pop punk kind of guy. Have you heard Forgive Durden?

>>68584128
>dude I read an article on Pitchfork about how the Stoobes invented punk
>dude have you heard the seeds ad the monks ohmigosh
ay fuck off

>>68584315
>the stooges invented punk
see>>68583801
you incompetent shitposter. Don't even think that
>reading anything on p4k

o i am a laffin. Do books even exist in your world?

>>68583733
exactly this except that the punk label did exist, just not on a wide commercial or mainstream level

>>68583601
>Stooges
>hard rock

you deserve all the shit you're getting

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>no one mentioned this yet
Do I need to stab you GOONS

>>68584681
hmm haven't heard this, where does it fall on the pop punk spectrum? More aggressive, or clean?

>>68584681
I like it, but I prefer Very Emergency. That could just be nostalgia goggles though.

>>68584710
It's clean, happy sounding emo pop punk.

It genuinely makes me smile and bob my head.

>>68585005
Hmm, sounds like the opposite of what I'm into but I'll give a shot nonetheless. My girlfriend would probably love it so cheers

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>>68579483
>>68579243
>>68579526

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>>68578917
This and Human Atom Bombs are fantastic

>>68585090
That picture is kek, and yea just ignore them. Dookie is the shit and they're just contrarian fags that think it's cool to hate on Green Day

>>68585063
The later stuff is more accessible. 30 Degrees has some production that is iffy.

But yeah, hard it ain't. It's an emo band with a lisping singer.

>>68585172
Gotcha, I'll try a little of both.
>lisping singer

Fuck. Thanks for warning me hahah

>>68581477
I don't consider this pop punk, but it's damn good

>>68579559
damn, first time I've ever seen this posted

>>68579529
This.

Jawbreaker never get the credit they deserve, their albums are GOAT (even Dear You).

>>68580176
The Wonder Years are great and. Say Anything were good up until about Anarchy, My Dear. The Story So Far is horrible though.

>>68584681
I never really considered The Promise Ring pop punk (always thought they were more emo desu), but that album still goes hard.

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>>68578917

Yeah nah

>>68585690
this

>>68585690
Backed hard, Enema is a solid album.

>>68585635
my girlfriend showed me Is a Real Boy and on first listen I couldn't fucking stand it. Then a few months later I returned to it on my own and realized it's one of the most innovative and original pop punk records I've ever heard. It's really great. Been meaning to listen to Story so far, what do you not like about them?
>>68585690
definitely Blink's best, but I just can't get into them. Whichever one has the whinier voice, I think Mark, just totally rubs me the wrong way. It's so obnoxious and their lyrics tend to suck

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>tfw no one has ever mentioned Jeff ott's bands on /mu/

>>68585826
I love early Say Anything. They kind of ditched pop punk on their later albums and went in a more indie direction, but they're still decent.

Early TSSF isn't horrible, but they just repeat themselves way too much. Also they aren't as catchy as most other pop punk bands, they're too mall-emo for my liking. Parker Cannon's lyrics are also dumb as shit and basically amount to "wahhh this girl left me, I'm gonna call her a bitch for the next 3 and a half minutes", it gets old real fast.

>>68585876
shit, ya that sounds like I'll absolutely hate it haha. I'll tread lightly, thanks for the heads up. You ever listened to Forgive Durden's Wonderland? Gives me a similar feel to some of the louder Say Anything tracks for some reason even tho they don't sound much alike

>>68585826
Tom Delonge is the whiny one and I agree, his voice is fucking horrible. I actually enjoyed their latest album because he was nowhere to be found on it (also I quite like Matt Skiba and think he did a good job on the record).

That being said, Blink's self-titled record is one of my all time favourite albums and I like how different it is from the rest of their discography. It doesn't have as many immature or obnoxious songs, and is actually fairly enjoyable. It's pretty solid and still just as catchy as their other albums, but it's got a bit more substance to it, you should check it out if Enema wasn't really your thing.

>>68585923
Nah haven't listened to it, I'll defs check it out if it's anything like Say Anything.

>>68585949
Oh for real? I always assumed it would only go downhill after I hated Dude Ranch and Enema. Thanks man, I'll give it a listen. I didn't care for California as a whole at all but I enjoyed She's Out Of her mind, and los angeles was decent enough. The last skit I'll admit was a pretty funny way to end it
>>68585975
It's definitely different, has some synths on it and stuff. I think you'll like it tho, it's a concept album about the dystopic future. Really interesting and original like Is a real boy is

>>68585949
Chesire cat is fuckin awsoeme. It's without a doubt, blink's best album.

The only problem about blink is that they are an extremely teenage oriented band... I mean, i'm 22 soon to be 23 and even tough i love those guys i just can't take those songs seriously. At most it gives me extremely nostalgia because i'm no longer a kid and i only started to listen to blink and pop punk when i was almost 20

>>68586272
see, a part of me feels like I've almost missed the boat on liking some of this stuff because when I was in middle school I abhorred all that pop punk stuff, and stuck mostly to metal and hip hop. Now I've expanded my taste so much more and created my whole "philosophy" I guess you could call it about art and music and everything, and now I try to listen to it and the themes are just so painfully band and cringey to my ears. For some of it, not all of course

>>68586331
Yeah, the same goes for me. When i was in middle school i didn't give much shit about music. Then when i went to high school, discovered metal and listened to it non-stop (mostly black metal).

When i went to college i actually started to listen to bands i would back then consider "gay" and found how wrong and idiot i was.

>>68586272
I guess part of it is nostalgia, because I was really into Blink back in the mid-2000's. But even then, I feel like a lot of their stuff manages to connect past childhood. Songs like Down or Stay Together For The Kids really don't connect to you as a kid, but they certainly hit hard once you reach adulthood I find.

the bananas are better

>>68585852
Yeah why doesn't he get more recognition?

>>68586242
Not OP, but definitely give your opinion after your listen

Have you guys heard Mock Orange? Every where I see ppl talk about them, they are called an indie rock/midwest emo band but in my opinion they are very pop punk. Can anyone else vouch for this? PS their material is amazing, well at least the first two albums (the ones I'm referring to as pop punk btw).

>>68586815
bad post

>>68586873
Will do if the thread's still up. If not just find me in some other thread in the next couple days, I'm sure I'll have gotten to it by then

>>68585852
I've seen Crimpshine posted before