/metal/

djent

Moth Into Flame is a good track!

A good track!!

whats this bloody roots thing about
serious answers only

>>68427840
word

BORN WAS AN IDIOT SAVANT
SPARED THE BANE OF LOGIC

>>68427847
MOTHERFUCKER YOU DONT UNDERSTAND

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>>68427847
WATCH ME FREAK

>>68427847
Nigger Gigger Chigger Bunga chunga OOGA BOOGA OOGA OOOGA BOOOGA ABUBU ABUBU ABUBUBUBUBBU ABOOGA GOOBA

>>68427847
Roots.
Bloody Roots.

>>68427844
>>68427858
>>68427862
>>68427865
>>68427871
>>68427872
Stop
Keep shitposting in old thread

GET THE FUCK UP
STAND THE FUCK UP
BACK THE FUCK UP

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>>68427829

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>>68427871
>no Funk Carioca favela booty beats
this lack of understanding of Brazilian culture is triggering

>>68427829
more like cuckefone lol

>>68427829
>Persephone
I think I heard an album of theirs once. Aren't they that band that goes chugchugchug all the time in some complex rhythms and is atonal as fuck?

>>68427894
Do you think this will make the retardation end?

... Do you really?

GO!
https://clyp.it/wj4b4kzz

>>68427898
SHUT THE FUCK UP

The best Slough Feg album is _____

>>68427894
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY YOU'VE GOT TO KILL OR BECOME

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>>68427923

ALRI

>>68427914
It's like if you put chugshit, techshit, meloshit and proge into a blender and added lot of synths

It's basically glorious epic wank like Ne Obliviscaris

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Can anyone recommend me folk metal that sounds similar to this? I'm in a folk mood. (posted in last thread, but was overrun by shitposting faggots)

>>68427925
KEK THE FUCK UP

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>Ayreon 2017 ft. Einar

>>68427934
Atavism

>>68427943
LET'S KEEP ON ROLLING BABE

http://www.verkami.com/locale/en/projects/15684

Should I?

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Chaos Divine are the best prog metal band of all time

You have to be a musician to get why they're so good. The creativity in their polyrhythms is second to none. Chaos Divine have an impeccable understanding of metric mods. I don't know a single band who uses triplets to form tempo changes. Agent Fresco do it a little bit but for CD is a core part of 90% of their songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ5M2adcL1o

>BAPTIZED
>>IN THE RIVER YOU CALL TIME

1st for djent is shit

I'M TIRED OF BEING WHAT YOU WANT ME TO BE

>>68427923
What are those songs

>>68427979
>You have to be a musician to get why they're so good.

this automatically takes away most if not all of the credibility of your statement, it's like the idiots who try to defend their shitty generic tech death with ''Do you know how to play guitar???'', it's like saying ''you need to be a film maker to get it'' when defending a film you like

>>68427959
You mean Einar from Leprous
Holy shit

He recently got featured on new Haken and Ihsahn album, I wonder if he wants to become Bjorn strid of prog

>>68427829
>>68427914
>>68427948
This was one of my favorite albums for a long time. I still have somewhat of a liking to it, but I don't listen to their stuff as often anymore. Let's hope new album doesn't disappoint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upv6_4WT6hY

>>68427995
Niggerchaos - WE
Destruction double nigger - WUZ
Niggerdevil - KANGZ

Will Niggerdevil ever make a comeback?

>>68427979
That sounds so bland that sounds like generic tool sound a like band.

what is the best atmoshit?

King810's la petite mort is a pretty cool album lads

>>68428061
Midnight Odyssey lad

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>>68428061

>>68428061
WITTR is literally the only good atmoshit band

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>>68428061
Be'lakor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_c_avPlx4

>>68428075
I kek'd.

>>68428061
Neurosis

>>68428089
>actual music and not just atmospheric noise for 20 minutes
ugh...can we just...just not? baka...

>>68427995
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
Nasum - Whip
Carnal Disfigurement - Butchered Maggoty Face
Soulfly - Jumpdafuckup
Extermination Dismemberment - Survival
Celtic Frost - Procreation (of the Wicked)

how can you not tell?

>>68428102
Either troll or newfag.

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>>68428042
Leaked cover of a new ep

>>68428102
I only know ATG and Soulfly out of these

>>68428091
It's true though, because they're closer to regular black metal.

children of bodom has a lot of "GO"-s

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>>68428133

>>68428154

Sory I don't listen to slamshit

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>>68428139
WITTR is great, but they most definitely aren't the only listenable atmoshit.

Refer to this:
>>68428074
>>68428071
And pic related.

>>68428179
fucking leave

After this post you are forbidden to post anymore in this thread, any post below mine is cursed for eternity

>>68428179
that's grind you bobolyne with no proper glutes

>>68428199
i'm already cursed

>>68428194
Make me faggot

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REMINDER

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>this thread

>>68428194
Stop listening to slamshit.

>>68428188
Pabopticon suck imo. Haven't heard the other two.

>>68428061
Agalloch

>>68428232
>Pabopticon suck imo.
Alright. Everyone has their own tastes.

Give Darkspace a listen. Legit chilling stuff.

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>>68428232
Is there anything that sounds like screaming for vengence that's not judas preist

>>68428247
Too varied to be considered atmoshit.

>>68428274
Cloven Hoof
the first album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8yXUb6yQSA

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AOTY

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So as I understand it, your roots are of a crimson shade ?

fucking destroyed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejL8k6Qri4g

>>68428263
Okay. People keep telling me to check out that band haha.

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>>68428338
yes

>>68428071
>>68428188
Midnight Odyssey is atmospheric black metal, not atmoshit.

>>68428383
atmoshit is just a term people here use for metal is generally focused o atmosphere

>>68428348
Fuck off

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>>68428398
Give me your adress

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I need metal that conveys an atmosphere of devastating metal moshpit madness and nvklear thrashing brutality through intricate songwriting and subtle instrumental arrangements.

Do you have any recs that would fit this description?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kc7jnAJaMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_jZMRm-0Pg

Both bands fronted by the same guy. Which is superior, /metal/?

Atmoshit + meloshit = Belakor
Atmoshit + chugshit = Tesseract
Meloshit + chugshit - Periphery

>>68428464
wolfheart

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>>68428420
get bucced

>>68428455
Diocletian - Gesundrian

>>68428455
Medeia - Iconoclastic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLu_ifMGUSA

>>68428464
BtD easily

>WE'RE ALL OUT OF TIME
>THIS IS HOW WE LEARN HOW IT ALL UNWINDS
2:11 you're lying if you don't get feels from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBr8Zt2eS9o

>>68428488
shameful
>>68428480
>Diocletian - Gesundrian
not very nvklear but okay

>>68428464
ding ding ding

beeeeeeeerrrrrmmmmm!

WhATS UP WITH MODERN METAL

>>68428540
Did... You have a stroke? What the literal fuck just happened?

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DAHNALD

>>68428564
NeW WaY of shitposting
NeW WaY of LIvING

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>>68428566
Hand over the delegates and no one gets hurt

>>68428455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZhiL3rtPPA

GIVE ME MEMES

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>>68428464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxhO1zJ9ecc
Early BtD is best BtD.

Did anybody listen to the new Avenged Sevenfold Single "The Stage"?

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Dark synthwave like Carpenter Brut, Gost, and Perturbator is black metal, right?

>>68428825
yeah, wew it was really bad desu

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>came up with a good chunk of 2nd wave BM riffs
>killed that poser Euronymous
>sentenced to 8 years in jail
>dropped one the most intense and innovative BM album of the 2000s shortly after being released
>does art installations and ambient/harshnoise music for avant-garde exhibitions and fashion shows
>still looks like he's in his mid-20s despite being as old as Varg

Why is Snorre Ruch so fucking underrated?

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>>68428835
sure. fuck it, everything's black metal. hooray for post-modernism.

>>68428835
Yes.

Half of the vocals on that album were really lame, the other half (second half) were pretty good.

SYNTHWAVE ARTISTS NEED TO STOP WORKING WITH WEAK-VOICED MUMBLY SINGERS

>>68428621
APPROPRIATE

>>68428864
S H I T P O S T D R O M E

>>68428878

Apparently his wife did the vocals on Aggrandizement. I thought she did great. Hayley Stewart gets around definitely, but I like her contributions. Kriistal Ann really fucking nailed it on Arise too.

>>68428852
I enjoy some Avenged Sevenfold every now and then, so I really like that they're returning to their "old" style. The song and it's sound make much more sense if you watch the 8 minute version with the Video.
What made you think it's really bad?

>>68428947
All I know is that the middle part of the album has those bored mumbly female vocals that sound like shit and are completely out of place.

>>68428949
Not kvlt enough.

I like Avenged Sevenfold mainly because that's what got me into the genre. I used to love all their stuff, and nowadays I still like it to an extent because of nostalgia. I didn't really dig HttK because it seemed very unoriginal and even straight-up ripping off other artists at some points. I haven't listened to the new song, but I'll definitely be sure to.

>>68428949
I thought the vocals sounded really bad, it's either the production or he JUSTed his chords

>>68428862
dont forget
>autistic

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>tfw want to finally get into traditional/early black metal but don't want to begin NBBMN before time

>>68429002
I feel exactly the same about them.
The new single sure is a step in the right direction.

>>68429022
He JUSTed his chords a few years ago. I think they are good, not great, but good. Let's see what the other singles/the whole album sounds like.

Any good nwothm

>>68428303
best core release

Who here riffs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6od76UNHt-M

>>68429226
Trying to be shocking weird but that was just boring

>>68429269
I know but that bulldozing riff at 0:46 makes me think

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who else here is cramming in dm before nbbmn
pic related

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Still the best Norwegian black metal output. The synths and riffs on this thing embody the fucking dark ages.

>>68429367
satyr and frost are homosexuals

>>68429381
They can suck as many cocks as they want, for all I care.

Dark Medieval Times, The Shadowthrone, Nemesis Divina = MY Unholy Trinity.

>>68429367
top kek

>walking on the thread
>looking all this shit

>>68429452
And now you can get the fuck out.

>>68429463
>I'm full of hate
>Don't fuck with me

>>68427847
BACK TO THE PRIMITIVE
FUCK ALL YOUR POLITICS
WE GOT OUR LIFE TO LIVE

>>68427959
they have kinda similar vibe, you know

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>>68429508
THE WAY WE WANT TO BE

>>68429526
How does Leprous sound like Ayreon

is End Position just sunbather for industrial metal

>>68429508
You're late, retard. Shitposting on this general died with the last awful thread.

Is blackened death metal just death metal with black metal guitar tones and vocals?

>>68429658

Blackened death metal means a lot of things.

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>>68429545
shitposting never ends

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Does /metal/ like Intracerebrally Consuming Cephalalgia Through the Cranium Macerating Debrisfucked Manure Ingested Remains of the Mindfucked Cataplexic Wicked Mankind Whom Fistfucked the Progenies From the Deepest Depths of the Analmaggot Raped Human Pieces of Erotic Shitmasses Which Gave Birth to Worthless Eunuchs As Travesty For Cumstained Whorefaced Sluts Enslaved By this Stupid Society Full of Fetal Garbages or Acidic Vaginal Liquid Explosion Generated By Mass Amounts Of Filthy Fecal Fisting And Sadistic Septic Syphilic Sodomy Inside The Infected Maggot Infested Womb Of A Molested Nun Dying Under The Roof Of A Burning Church While A Priest Watches And Ejaculates In Immense Perverse Pleasure Over His First Fresh Fetus?

Anyone else pronounce AOTY "ay oaty" here?

anyone got a link to the new opeth?

>>68429367
Even Opeth would be jealous of their pointless jarring interludes. That album could be edited down to a decent release by someone with extra free time.

>tfw guys at work start talking about metal
>maybe they'll like good metal
>they proceed to jerk off the big four for 6 hours

>>68429739
Yup

>>68429732
I was just about to post about them. Their "Dick Out For Harambe" meme song is pretty great slam. The whole EP is catchy as shit actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ho9T2RmMJ8

>>68429367
>tfw when the clown that rarely comes into the shop even copies your cover art style

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/meal/ is this the best band pic ever?

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>>68430015
maybe

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>>68430015
alternately

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>I mean we were just high all the time! We would smoke while out floating aimlessly on the waves of the fjords, get really stoned and trip out to Coil while also indulging in a bit of mushroom action after anchoring for the night. I remember Hugh (bassist in both Ulver and Arcturus at the time) hot-wired a fucking tractor one night and drove it down to the beach and ploughed into the water, got out and screamed out to the sea, or the skies, I don't know: "I'm a fucking human being!"
these goddamn guys, they're epic

Anybody got a Grind Chart?

Or a link to the newest Nails album?

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>>68430221
go and listen to some actual grind

>>68430075
>>68430148
Utter shit

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What'cha guys listening to?

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8/10

>>68430376
Acid Witch kiddo

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>tfw too smart for prog

>>68430387
first record?

>>68430410
Can't tell if this is a joke or something but prog really is the most pseudo-intellectual metal genre

POST THE GREATEST METAL ALBUM OF ALL TIME RIGHT NOW!

>>68430425
Of course
Its their best

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>>68430410
>tfw too old, too cold

>>68430441
Agreed. Gotta give it a listen on Halloween night!

>>68430437
R U S T
I N
P E A C E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlPxgm0FSYw

worth the 5 year wait

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>>68430437

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>>68430437

>>68430437
SUN
BAT
HER

>>68430505
are those little ebu gogos

>>68430526
Hamster warrior you fagggot

>>68428061
Dead as Dreams, Diadem of 12 Stars, Anarchic, the list goes on. Most of the rest considered atmoshit is too similar to shoegaze.

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>>68430524

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>>68430462
>tfw so cold, so dark

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>>68430524
>reading in jap mode it becomes NTR UAE SBH

>>68430661
Never ever reply to me again.

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>>68430671

>>68429082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il2rJtwAH18
fucking goat

>>68430694
reee etc.

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Snorre would D I S I N T E G R A T E Varg in a duel. He would use his cosmic mind powers to channel the supra-evil neuro-essence of the stellar master elite into himself and use forbidden astral death-touch techniques to make Varg explode with atonal hyper-molecular vortex vibrations.

>>68430772
is that Bryan Cranston

>>68430469
Fucc yee

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>>68428216
1st for Varg > Euronycunt

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>>68427829
New Persefone should be interesting, after Spiritual Migration it will probably be pretty fucking good

Also still waiting to see if Pic related is going to be good

/meal/ wats the best blackened thrash band ever and is it Toxic Holocaust?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=938BgL_KZP8

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>>68430376

>>68431036
no

it's cruel force https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkjyh9OSCRg

>68431036
wrong and he turned into a faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czwfLhSu6oY

>>68431036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttWCFqOZznY&list=PLG8dUdgDir4tO9MZLCXnDJPxlTp4n2FOQ
also >>68431123

>>68431036
Wrong
it's RAGEHAMMER

nah. old got this covered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7IXpLyq5bY

FACT: Khold is a better alternative to 2000s Satyricon and they have better corpse paints.

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>>68430376
and so far its great

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>>68429331
I'm with you anon

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>>68430376
It's got tremendous grooves but the sound is a little too soft for what it's trying to be.

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How do I not fall asleep?

>>68431331
listen to better funeral doom that isn't recorded on a potato

Back in 2010 or 11, pehaps 12 fenriz was dj'ing at truckstop alaska and he played some dank shit from australia but I forgot to write down what it was. Any ideas what it could've been? death/thrash-like 80's i'd guess.

Anybody heard the new Symphonity yet? I'm just about to listen to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZ_rQ44uRY

>>68431369
go to http://www.metal-archives com/bands/Destr%C3%B6yer_666/223 and look at the similar artists tab, it's probably one of those bands

>>68431369
http://www.metal-archives.com/search/advanced/searching/bands?bandName=&genre=death+metal+thrash+metal&country=AU&yearCreationFrom=&yearCreationTo=&bandNotes=&status=&themes=&location=&bandLabelName=#bands

post halloween music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXQkTTl3nU8

>>68431331

see >>68431264
>>68429331

>>68431369
nocturnal graves?

$lam

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Power metal with vocals that dont sound like pre pubescent teenage boys, is there such a thing?

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>>68431521
You know what they call me?
They call me G-$wagg
They call me G-EZ Monee
They call me G G Gash
They call me lil G-man Killa
They call me MC G-no-diggity
They call me G Massa Whip Cracka
They call me Jay
With a G

But to you, I'm just "Boss"

And when Boss says something, you execute it

And right now, Boss says:

POST
SOME
$ L @ M Z

>>68431603
this is Sabaton's main selling point

>>68431462
Acid witch debut
Helloween - Halloween

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th0ughtz

WORM
FUCKING
ROT

>>68431644
Only power metal could make a war song sound so fucking gay

>>68431603
Yeah, but it isn't good.

>>68431023
I hope, but I'm not very excited after hearing the lead single.

>>68431603
I've never really considered Blind Guardian's or Persuader's vocals to fall under this category desu, they're pretty good on that front

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>>68430376
guess what I started today

>>68431603
This one isn't pubescent or male so there's that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ndViAnKK6s

Falconer's vocals have also always stood out amongst all the higher pitched power metal vocalists to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ndViAnKK6s

>>68431254

Holy shit these melodies. It's like they combined Insect Warfare with neocrust.

>>68431952
Yeah, it wasn't anything particularly special. I can only hope it isn't as reflective of the rest of the album

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so, this guy on the right is clearly their new 6 string man Hedger, but who's the dude in a black roll-neck sweater then?

>>68432283
>posted same link
Shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0a62GEZddQ
Also I realize the phrasing there was pretty weird, I meant that Falconer's vocals are a good alternative to the higher pitched ones, since they're a lot deeper

>>68431669
Saw them live, the singer is kind of cute but haven't really heard the album

kek I think I found a fake band
https://dodgaldr.bandcamp.com/

claims to be from the 90s but it sounds like modern recordings badly edited to sound "old" and everything about them online was added very recently

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>>68430437

>>68428835
Carpenter Brut sucks. Saw them live with Ghost. Boring as hell.

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Need some more cascadiancore.

First time listening to Iron Maiden's first album.

They're like a slightly tamer Motorhead but with better musicians.

>>68432956

Music is still probably the best of all his contemporaries.

No one quite gets the aesthetic as well as him either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er416Ad3R1g

>>68429226
What the fuck?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujR66YOaGQM

I finally found the sound I was looking for, a heavier and faster version of motorhead. Anyone have more of this?

>>68433153

What you posted is just d-beat.

The definitive Motorhead band in my opinion though would be G.A.T.E.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZkzqCY8bQ

>>68433153
Goddamn anon this is fucking cool. Thanks for showing this.

>>68433199
Isnt d beat just a style of drumming m8? .

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What's some Christian black metal that's actually good? Bonus points if it's atmospheric black metal.

>>68433287
What the fuck is 'Christian black metal'?

>>68429536
not sound, but lame prog vibe

>>68433287
>christian black metal
Oh my god not another one. I know a faggot who refuses to listen to black metal if it isn't about Jesus. Only one I can remember is Crimson Moonlight but they suck musically IMO.

>>68433304
They gotta show their parents that they can be hardcore but all about god.

>>68433304
Unblack metal

>>68433278

D-beat is a subgenre of punk. It's named for the drum beat since Discharge used it so predominately, the d-beat is also known as the Discharge beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw3njtQaf6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GTCAca3sI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvaUkH4-uM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfW7QZJDUbg

>>68433304
Get into some Christian deathcore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EezL-fFoJc

>>68433416
Not metal but I love it.

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>>68433287

The only band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWJuHQxLfhU

>>68433416
wtf i love punk now

Disfear sounds alot more metal than the rest for some reason maybe its just the vocals

MY LIFESTYLE HAS BECOME MY DEATHSTYLE

>>68433527

Disfear's vocalist for their recent albums is Tomas Lindberg from At the Gates, so that may be why? He also did vocals for this Skitsystem record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JHPocXfcsU

is 2016 the best year for grindcore?

this is
huh
wow

>>68433573
You have an essentials for crust? I always thought it was a meme like slam or core genres, but i never actually gave the genre a chance.

>>68433527
it's the HM-2 pedal and Tomas Lindberg

Speaking of Motorhead, they have a lot of albums. Which ones are essential to listen to?

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>>68433725
these three first in whatever order:
Ace of spades
Bomber
Overkill

after that finish it with:
another perfect day

tired: slam

wired: GLAM

What does /metal/ think of Darkest Hour?

>>68433287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVAaBzQnb8

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>>68427829
so i really liked this. is the rest of their discography worth getting into? is there a name for this kind of metal? sort of dark-death metal?

>>68433532
FRAN TICK TICK TICK

Is melodeth basically power metal but not for fags?

>>68434012
Listen to Odori Sepulcrorum

>>68434383
It's for faggots

>>68433474
This.

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>>68433686

This isn't all crust but there's some really good stuff on here.

>>68434383
it's power metal but for skaters

>>68434495
thanks famalam

>>68434383
melodeath is the genre for faggots...everyone knows power metal is tongue-in-cheek, not everyone knows melodeath is. and that causes problems

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metal AOTY?

>>68434765
The first was okay. This one just sucked.

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Is it a toy goat that's supposed to look like a real goat?

>>68434383
You have it the other way around, cuck

>>68434780
It's a doge

>>68434780
it's on a tombstone

>>68434780
its a mantle

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>>68434780
Dont post non meal on my meal board again kiddo

>>68434780
it's... not a goat

>>68434780
>This kid's too retarded to recognize a pupper
Whew

>>68434776
what do you mean it sucked, the songs that didn't sound like dragonforce were at the very least decent.
'Sis. Anger' I loved so much and 'No Rain, No Rainbow' reminded me of X Japan.

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POST WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO RIGHT NOW

>>68435311
see
>>68434765

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>>68435311

>>68435349
this looks really lame

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>>68435311
HEY
E
Y

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>>68430376

>>68435531
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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>>68435311
melodeath is best death

Quick post a vocaroo of your brutal gutterals

>>68433287
antestor

that's the only christian bm that's good

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fuck you I liked it

>>68434780
it's a statue of an elk...

>>68435980
It's a moose

I'd like to get back into death metal. I stopped becasue I got tired of searchign through everything and everything jsut being the same guitar tone with the same riffs.

May yall plesae recommend something newer

>>68435765
underage gtfo

>>68436010
no it's not the antlers are too thin to be a moose, it's an elk

>>68436035
Blood Incantation

Not even memeing

>>68436133
Pretty sure it's a wildebeest, lad

>>68436141
why the fuck is blood incantation considered a meme anyway? they're legitimately fucking good!

>>68436197
Newfags try to make everything a meme nowadays.

>>68436223
If an album is talked about a lot in the general, it almost always becomes a meme, no matter if it's good or bad

>Terminal Redux
>Magma
>Starspawn

I'm surprised that DsO album hasn't become a meme yet

>>68436326
Should have clarified, if an album is talked about a lot leading up to it's release/leak, it becomes a meme

t. meme studies major

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>>68436326
CAW

>>68435556
Based. You know of any other bands like Tempel? I've had their albums on repeat for the last few months

Is caverncore the death metal version of atmoshit?

>>68436526
Yes

>>68436526
yes, and also funeral doom is the doom version of atmoshit

>>68436557
Also the best version

I went to see Ne Obliviscaris last night. They were great - totally recommendable. I even got a first press vinyl edition of Portal of I. The band was nice enough to sign it.

>>68436726
>>68436726
>>68436726

>>68430999
varg maybe anti capitalist and materialist, but c'mon, who doesnt love twix

I just saw meshuggah like EEEEEEEE, hell