Are they the best punk band of all time?

>>68381821
i've only heard 3 songs of their but yeah i think so

Also Fugazi thread btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5OZOwAhas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJFWirQ3ks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06i_ugCgYNE

Close, Fugazi is best.

Minutemen are the best IMO

>>68381821
Dead Kennedys

bad brains is objectively the best punk band ever

The fucking Dwarves

>>68381918
i kinda agree on this, but their history of homophobia doesn't help their case

>>68381952
weak bait

>>68381821
That's Minor Threat
Fugazi were the best though

>>68381918
I'd consider it at their peak, but Fugazi never made a below 8/10 album and Bad Brains made plenty

>>68381975
sheeit, google fucked me

>>68381952
I wouldn't go as far as to say as bad brains are homophobic.

HR himself maybe, but he's also literally insane.

I saw an interview with Dr Know and Ian Mackaye where they talked about that incident but I dont remember where it is now.

I guess they're more post hardcore but my preferences lie with Big Black

>>68381987
>I'd consider it at their peak, but Fugazi never made a below 8/10 album and Bad Brains made plenty

I agree, but without bad brains, fugazi along with most punk bands from that era wouldn't have existed.

In terms of influence I don't think they can be topped.

gg allin for sure

>>68382008
Big Black is more noise rock

Minor Threat is definitely the best punk band, I don't know how people even call Fugazi punk. Dead Kennedys, Minutemen and Husker Du are all close competitors though.

>>68382084
Minor Threat is fucking terrible.

>>68382093
Why?

If your answer is all their songs sound the same and it's just annoying yelling then you just need to listen to them more because once you get past that they're the best punk band.

>>68382084
minor threat is hardcore

>>68382084
>Big Black is more noise rock
but there's an undeniable punk ethic

>>68382110
hardcore is punk

If you're going to make the distinction between the two punk died in the late 70s and hardcore took over.

>>68382113
Definitely but their instrumentation and playing style take them out of the genre

>>68382110
Do you not view hardcore punk as punk? Same structure as punk just no classic rock

Misfits are one of the best

>>68382110
It's called Hardcore PUNK for a reason

>>68382135
hardcore has a very different sound from pop punk, proto punk, horror punk.. can't just crown one band to be the queen of them all.

>>68382135
>Definitely but their instrumentation and playing style take them out of the genre
Nah the two are inseparable

>>68382136
For two albums maybe.

I dig Fugazi, but calling them the best punk band is just overdoing it.

I'd give that title to Husker Du

>>68382154
I wouldn't say hardcore is a subgenre like horror or pop punk. Hardcore punk is still punk rock I'M, it isn't really different from original punk, just more more intense with a more fully formed ethos. Hardcore is responsible for today's perception of punk rock

The Adicts

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these niqqas get my vote

>>68382008
>>68382084
I consider post-hardcore and noise rock both to be punk subgenres for the most-part. Obviously post-hardcore became more commercialized in the 2000s, though. But ask Albini or Mackaye and they'd call themselves punk musicians.

I guess if punk just means bands that sound like the Sex Pistols then maybe not, but I think it's more about the aesthetic (for lack of a better word)

>>68382159
You think? They incorporated a lot of funk on atomizer, songs about fucking doesn't even sound like a punk album. It all still comes from the same place but Big Black adds too much to their music. To call them punk would be to dismiss their innovativeness

>>68382224
>Melvins
>punk
*blows raspberry in your face*

>>68382241
they make heavy metal punk, which is more punk than punk

descendents

>>68382226
Punk musicians don't have to make punk. Punk started so much, it was where all of alt rock took root. Lots and lots of people were influenced by punk to make lots of music. Kurt Cobain, for example, got his ethos, aesthetic and ideas from punk, but they were not a punk band. I would call Steve Albini a punk musician because he does things himself and refuses to compromise his values. That's punk but his music is not.

>>68382197
yea but there's a big difference between minor threat and ramones

>>68382303
Jesus Christ, delete your 4chan account

>never visit /mu/
>see this thread on the 4chan homepage
>everyone in it has patrician tastes

But yeah, at least for American punk it has to come down to Fugazi, Big Black, and Bad Brains.

it's depressing how little this board knows about punk

>>68382239
>It all still comes from the same place but Big Black adds too much to their music
Do you think Bad Brains are punk? The Clash? I like Big Black, but the only thing they added more of (in comparison) is distortion

>>68382241
Another band that considers themselves to be punk, and cites Black Flag as their biggest influence. And sludge is arguably a hardcore punk-doom metal hybrid anyway

>>68382310
I see what you're saying, but it's still punk at its core. I don't see why it has to stop being punk once it gets interesting. It's DIY, it's anti-establishment, it's made to offend. I don't see how Albini's bands could fall under anything other than the punk umbrella, and the same goes for most noise rock

>>68382008
>but my preferences lie with Big Black
yeah i bet it does lmao

>>68382392
kek

>>68382373
Just a thought, maybe you could contribute and enlighten us

>>68382084
a vast amount of music that can be called "noise rock" is punk you fucking mongoloid

Genres are not rigidly defined static borders retards

>>68382370
/mu/ has an incredibly shallow taste in punk for the most part. Outside of the bigger bands like the ones mentioned in this thread there are only a handful of people who know anything.

I bet there are less than 10 people total who listen to modern punk bands that aren't shit like fidlar or iceage.

>>68382443
Makes sense.

If you don't bring anything to the table, and just insult other people's opinions, you can't be criticized for your own taste.

>>68382443
And what do you know? (I mean, besides the fact that no one else knows anything)

>>68382370
nobody itt has "patrician" tastes, it's a bunch of high schoolers with embarassingly entry level taste arguing about genre dustinctions that don't exist because in reality there is enormous overlap in musical genres

>>68382344
Not really, Minor Threat were just harder and faster and had more interesting progressions. They were playing the same kind of music but basing it off something other than 50s rock

>>68382443
rec me 5 good punk bands 2010-16

>>68381847
Don't care about Minor Threat but I love Fugazi

This recording is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3BKfwyTQ-4

>>68381987
>sheeit, google fucked me
How could you think that was Fugazi? Do you see any giant monobrows in that pic?

>>68382517
punk is dead xD

>>68382517
fury
pure disgust
arms race
gas rag
the flex

>>68382443
I'm one of those few ppl but yr wrong about Iceage senpai

just because they blew up with p4k don't mean they're shit.

also praise be to Jimmy
https://youtu.be/5w1ZDc8SgXM

>>68382553
And Bed for the Scraping from that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6JUS-JhZZo

I think it's slightly faster than the album version and benefits from it

>>68382517
not him but


Glue
Gutter Gods
Q
Anasazi
Crazy Spirit

>>68382553
>How could you think that was Fugazi? Do you see any giant monobrows in that pic?
I'm just dumb

>>68382564
What, musically, makes a band like Pure Disgust or Gas Rag less entry level than bands mentioned in this thread, or other obvious bands like Discharge?

>>68382625
it's not about some autistic notion of "musical difficulty" you absolute retard

>>68382565
I wasn't trying to say they were shit. I should have re-worded that. It's just that when anyone says "modern punk" on /mu/ they get brought up like they're the biggest or best when they really aren't. They just have more exposure because of p4k. Knowing iceage isn't indicative of someone knowing much about punk.

>>68382642
You're the one calling out everyone for having "shallow" taste,I'm just interested if there's any kind of rationale behind that or you're just looking to feel superior over nothing

>>68382594
Gutter Gods and Crazy Spirit look interesting

cheers la

>>68382625
The fact that they are much less known on /mu/ despite being big in the modern punk scene.

I'm willing to bet most of the time you have seen these bands mentioned on /mu/ it was me.

>>68381821
No. The Zero Boys are. Alternatively, Bum Kon.

it's so depressing watching /mu/ discuss punk
there's like three people on the board who actually know what they're talking about and the rest is pointless dicking around about whether or not this or that band is punk and circlejerking over 80s classics

>>68382690
>Musically
>The fact that they are much less known on /mu/
Pretty much confirmed my suspicions.

Regardless, the thread is/was about the best punk band of all time, I don't see how any of those could realistically qualify, and naturally the people calling out everyone in the thread haven't suggested any other alternatives

>>68382724
And another

>>68382690
>I'm willing to bet most of the time you have seen these bands mentioned on /mu/ it was me.

iktf

>>68381908
This

Plastic Surgery Disasters is GOAT

>>68381987
>OP can't tell the difference between Minor Threat and Fugazi
You having a hard freshman year of high school?

>>68382989
Yes, and I don't need to be bullied any more :'(

>>68382517
aspects of war
alehammer
zyanose
paranoid
warthog

>>68383282
also shitfucker
nuke
midnight
morpheme
pollen

Idk about you guys but I fucking love Tragedy. Something about their sound that's really apocalyptic and angry.

Anything with Ben Weasel is better than that.

>>68381821
No not even close
I'd give my vote to Crass
The Stooges, Big Black, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, Black Flag, Rudimentary Peni, Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, are all close behind.
Fugazi and Minor Threat are overrated as shit, and while they are pretty good they are definitely not the best in anyway, even for post-hardcore. Anyone who thinks so clearly doesn't know anything about punk.

JFA

>>68382084
Big Black is self described as punk, they sound punk, have a punk attitude, aesthetic and ethos. How are they not punk? Other than the fact that you checked wikipedia and it said a genre without the word punk in it. This is about as punk as it gets, more so than Minutemen and Husker Du.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT8KHHTHYJE

>>68383660
true

>>68383698
I always find it weird how much of a dweeb Albini is

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>>68383724
What a fuckin nerd

beastie boys

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>>68383765

>>68382625
Sorry for late response, job interview.
>musically

This has nothing to do with it. Entry level =/= easy to play

Entry level just means babies first whatever. None of the bands on that list are entry level because when you ask literally anyone in the world who knows anything about punk they won't rattle off those names but will say things like black flag, DK sex pistols, etc.

It has nothing to do with musical ability as
>>68382642
said

>>68384604
Ok, so what's the problem? You don't get punk until you've listened to all of the no-name copy cat bands that, by your admission, aren't actually better or more interesting?

Obviously the buzzcocks

what is it with you guys

>>68384804
The only problem is that some of us would like to discuss bands outside of the ones we always talk about in punk threads.

I never tried to imply that entry level bands are bad, just that they are posted too much.

What more can anyone possibly say about black flag, minutemen or husker du? I just want better, more diverse discussion.

>>68384863
I don't get that sense from you guys at all. If you want to talk about other bands, talk about them. Don't just talk about how other people aren't talking about other bands, that achieves nothing but starting dumb arguments like this that are even worse for discussion.

>What more can anyone possibly say about black flag, minutemen or husker du?
Well, what more is there to say about Gas Rag that isn't applicable to Discharge?

>>68384909
>If you want to talk about other bands, talk about them

With who? Nobody listens to punk outside of the big hits here. Thats my point. It's like saying you're into jazz, listing coltrane and davis, then thinking you are a "patrician"

The post I originally responded to was exactly that, see>>68382370

I'm helping him. He can go through life thinking that the albums listed here are the only punk albums worth listening to, or he can delve deeper into the genre like he should.

>>68385021
There are multiple posts in this thread from different people complaining about the lack of variety. If you all posted something different instead of complaining, that would be variety in itself and would encourage further variety

>I'm helping him
Again, no you're not. Saying that they lack variety doesn't increase their variety.

>>68385160
>There are multiple posts in this thread from different people complaining about the lack of variety

I'm supposed to answer for everyone else now?

>Saying that they lack variety doesn't increase their variety

No shit. An intelligent person would use that information to explore more of the genre. I'm not here to spoonfeed people. Besides, everyone who complained also provided a list of modern hardcore bands.

see
>>68383317
>>68383282
>>68382594
>>68382564

FUCK BAD BRAINS TORRENTED ONE OF THEIR SONGS AND I GOT MY FIRST VIOLATION FROM MY ISP
I'VE BEEN TORRENTING FOR 8 YEARS

FUCK THEM
FUGAZI FTW

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>>68385339
are you upset?

>>68385243
I don't see much discussion there

>An intelligent person would use that information to explore more of the genre.
Not without an explanation for why their taste is shallow. By your own admission, it's shallow only because it's entry level (or popular). Based on that, listening to more punk would mean just listening to it for the sake of it. Even when I pressed you about what is musically different you couldn't answer and said it didn't matter. What new things do those modern bands bring to the table that makes their music worth listening to?

>I'm not here to spoonfeed people
Good look reconciling that with your desire for diversity of content

>I want to talk about different bands but I can't because that would be spoonfeeding

>>68385410
/mu/ has a shallow taste in punk because the same 15 albums get posted then the thread dies. I post in all the punk threads I see, I know what happens in them.

These albums all happen to be "popular" punk albums. Nowhere have I said that this is a bad thing.

You still seem to think that I am trying to insult people's taste. I'm simply telling them that there is so much more outside of what is already commonly known around here. Anyone who thinks they know their shit because they know minutemen, husker du, black flag, etc need a refresher.

And believe it or not it is possible to have musical discussion about newer bands without spoonfeeding, it happens in the rare good punk threads on here.

You seem oversensitive and very confused here, I'm not sure what else to say.

>>68385632
>thread asking for best punk band
>surprised when popular punk bands get messaged

What a special snowflake.

The Stooges

Minor Threat and Fugazi are supremely overrated.

Ian Mackaye is a major league douche.

There is no such thing as "the best punk band of all time", but it's probably Fear.

>>68385662
try rereading the conversation...again

The post I responded to that set off this shitstorm has nothing to do with the OP.

>>68385761
>mfw I was that poster
>implying that didn't have anything to do with the OP

But yeah, without being a contrarian, there are maybe 4 bands that are going to come up a lot, because they're simply good bands.

>>68385798
you said

>never visit /mu/
>see this thread on the 4chan homepage
>everyone in it has patrician tastes

But nobody had displayed ""patrician" tastes at all. You also outed yourself as a newfag so don't pretend like you know anything about punk threads here.

>>68385859
>thread about best bands in a genre
>compliment people for selecting bands that I think are good
>autists complain because TOO MAINSTREAM MANNN
>neurotypicals laugh

But yeah, no shit that the "best" bands in a genre are going to be ones that a lot of people listen to.

Are you feeling special yet?

>>68385632
I'm just pointing out the contradiction in complaining about a lack of variety without contributing any variety, and then suggesting that you're actually being helpful somehow.

As for sensitivity, I don't think you'd be able to point to a single emotionally-tinged thing I've said.

I'll post some punk bands and songs I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhXEkHLNf1E

>>68385964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrafPlgQlME

saw these guys live in LA when I was 14, it was a dream come true

>>68386004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP3x-VdOb44

hope someone enjoys these

>>68386036
Y'all listen to Mission of Burma?

>>68386036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU69VlwY9g8

>>68386048
>>68386051

ofc I have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXkZI7WZWOo

>>68386080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPSuhgFmAIA

I love this intro so much.

>>68386080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifq24lljbQM

it's GISM

>>68382594
Is Q still around?

>>68385947
>complaining about a lack of variety without contributing any variety
I did contribute variety, just not in the same post. learn to read threads.

>>68385935
you: Wow I had no idea you guys listened to the punk albums that everyone who likes punk listens too. You guys sure are patrician.
Me: This is barely scratching the surface
you: you hate these bands because they're popular
Me: I don't hate these bands at all, I'm saying that they arent the only good ones.
you: stop being such a special snowflake

?????

>>68386099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR8UcVruNgE

>>68386095
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emHpV2k0Jg

>>68386256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08MqYvU-yuM

>>68386291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayiKF96z084

>>68386325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__91sTL3YrA

>>68386419
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqMRQrXlchU

Obligatory.

>>68386442
best RY song hands down

also what the fuck is wrong with the guy on the left's face

>>68381821
'no'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoG9evQqvIs

>>68386442
>>68386468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmIOBjqviKs


I love the whole album, this song is better

>>68386517
the best fucking band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ76LC_l8yk

>>68386517
>>68386545
>mfw they're the reason that Killing Joke had to STFU about Come As You Are

>>68386537
>>68386517
is their stuff besides machine gun etiquette and their S/T worth checking out

>>68386537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0SLh7bywpM

The dog was the best member

Bad Brains were huge assholes to everyone in the punk community and also extremely homophobic.

Their s/t is still the greatest hardcore record ever though.

>>68386586
the black album and strawberries are very good but quite different stylistically

>>68386586
go for it, they don't have a lot of albums. it's punk, it won't take more then 2h to listen to all of it

here's some ladies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CYrJ1POzns

>>68383698
>>68383724
>>68383823

Every time he mentions how all he did in university was "fuck around" with chicks and get into fights I translated it in my mind into him getting into fights with girls and ending up fucked.

>>68386686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4jrD5nD_p4

>>68386687
I think I fucked your girlfriend.

Once, maybe twice, I can't remember.

And then I fucked all your friends girlfriends.

And now they hate you.

>>68386634
>HR was a huge assholes to everyone in the punk community and also extremely homophobic

he was also literally insane which gives him a pass in my book

>>68386724
you go girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzMGqVh8G20

>>68386750
Meant to add that the rest of the members of bad brains are cool as fuck. I've met them all.

>>68382517
Crusades
Classics of Love
kicker

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Anyone here into GIVE? I honestly think that they are the best punk band of the decade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AM_T6YnNRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_rcGXgXtY8

>>68386724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UegitO6qIng

Rapeman > Big Black for quotable lyrics

>>68386760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKAFt21PmJI

best scream

>>68386861

I'm at work (professions are so punk dude) so I can't listen atm but from the album cover and the Rickenbacker bass I gotta listen to this yo.

>>68386861
Love GIVE. Definitely one of the most interesting punk bands in recent years. Hank Wood and the Hammerheads are up there, too.

I don't know if they count as punk for the purposes of this thread, but they were fucking incredible. maybe we need a noise rock thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xUpQblLiY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhnaglJUUII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6lYntQqCro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4f1GLMChY

>>68386911
IM A LITTLE LIZARD TRAPPED IN A MANS SKIN

>>68386861
I haven't kept up with them at all but that series of 7" they did years ago was excellent.

>>68382517
culo
hank wood and the hammerheads
CCTV
coneheads
crazy spirit

>>68386911
>THIS AIN'T NO FUCKING METAPHOR
>THESE ARE REAL SQUIRRELS
>AND THERE WERE THOUSANDS

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>>68381821

>>68382663
crazy spirit was really fucking good. played a lot of shows with them. always wild as fuck

>>68383698
Big Black is one of my favorite bands, but there are definitely some striking things that make them much different from early punk bands like the Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks, and Ramones, along with other 80s punk bands like Hüsker Dü, Minor Threat and Black Flag.

The first being the drum machine. It immediately gives them an electronic vibe whether or not that was the intention. Next are Steve's vocals, they range from spoken word to hoarse shouts, much different than the lower register shouts and screams that are found in other punk bands that I mentioned. The bass lines from all of their records are drudging, rumbling, and often times much more than just root notes following the guitar chords. Which brings us to Santi and Steve's guitar playing. Santi usually used a big beefy distorted tone that was more akin to metal sounding guitars. And Steve is known for creating one of the most, if not the most, fucked up guitar tone of all times. Self described as 'knife-guitar' occasionally because of how shredding it sounded. High pitched screeching guitars had been used in post punk bands like Minutemen but nothing like how Steve did.

>>68387988
Roland is my favorite drummer of all time.

>>68387019
hank and the boys are also great. fuckers slept on my floor more times than i can count. its good to see they are getting some more widespread recognition. they are very good musicians and ive never seen them put on anything less than a stellar show. that first record is totally fucked

>>68387923
tasty ass taste

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>>68381821
No THIS is the best punk band of all time!

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Eskorbuto

>>68388112
>ass taste

>>68382517
Rotting Out
Kids Like Us
SWAMPS
Fury Strikes (not to be confused with fury)
Empire of Rats was amazing when they existed for the brief time they did in 2013
Incendiary is probably revolutionizing strong island NYHC
But if I could only recommend one album it would definitely be RxOx
Strong Themes and Genuinity make for a band to be remembered for a long time

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I WANT MY LIFE BACK!!!!

>>68382517
No Problem
Short Days
Sectarian Violence
Warsong

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>tfw Government Warning broke up before I got to see them live