Why are blacks bad at making sad music? Is it true that black

Ever heard of the blues?

>>68379067
Blues isn't sad though

>>68379061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKpflHueZAk

>>68379088
Just a title. The song doesn't sound particularly emotionally impactful

>>68379093
Maybe you're just bad at listening to sad music.

Generally when addressing the sad times they go for the uplifting vibe.

>>68379061
centuries of ressentiment and subjugation and you think black people are bad at making sad music?

>>68379102
That's you though. You posted an upbeat song with the word depression in it and thought that's what I meant

You are a manual listener. You take songs literally

>>68379119
Post some good black music that's sad then. You can't because it doesn't exist

The only sad black song I can think of is dark was the night

>>68379121
Except it's not an upbeat song you fucking nigger

>>68379135
lol...

this thread is dumb as fuck but okay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbSxdu1tsQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUK8emiWabU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_IW1wLZhzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s8rHrLcSts

>>68379186
lol I love dean but this isn't sad

>>68379186
When does he start rapping?

>>68379191
None of these are sad notation wise including voice notation

Maybe they broach on sad topics but they don't feel sad

>>68379186

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHZuRXVeqEQ

>>68379211
Sounds dark but not sad

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>>68379061

>>68379193
it's plaintive which is sad i guess

>>68379204
please stop being so stupid, "voice notation" isn't a thing, "none of these are sad notation wise" doesn't make any sense as a sentence you fucking dip

>>68379204
Maybe you're just autistic senpai.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

>>68379218
>g nigger
>>68379204
>>68379193
>>68379132
>>68379093
>>68379078
Fucking post ANY song that's sad then. Let's see what you come up with.

I get what op is saying, but really, outside of jazz, blues and gospels you won't find much today.

Rap can be looked at as sad though as a whole generation of black youth look up to it for inspiration.

>>68379303
op is racist/autistic and so are you

>>68379067

/thread

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>>68379303
>outside of jazz, blues and gospels you won't find much today
>every genre created by Black Americans doesn't count

What about stuff like John Legend and ALicia Keys? They do sad stuff from time to time...Do you mean sad hip-hop? No black people do not make sad hip-hop cause it's fucking party music

>>68379224
>voices don't produce notes
>notes aren't a thing

8d banter

>>68379303
Jazz blues and gospel isn't sad though

>>68379249
This is a sad one. Can't even lie. But it's not sad because of what it's about. It's sad because of how it sounds

This is a rare sad black song

>>68379249
This song was also written by a white man

Both the music and the lyrics

>>68379096
The threads aren't even similar.

>>68379523
I think he's referring to the recent news about Cudi checking into a clinic for depression

>>68379539
Ah, I haven't heard about that. I'll check it out.

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>>68379485
i am a classical musician (the only music where notation is a relevant thing in itself) and the only time i think i've heard somebody say "voice notation" was in reference to Berio

I agree black people have a different taste in notes

They pull unique shit off but rarely do they pull off sad

>>68379547
Lol...

>Moses Sumney - Lonely World
You should consider killing yourself OP :^)

Black people cant do anything but dance music

>>68379587
This is pretty good. But doesn't feel sad to jazzy

I like it anyway

>>68379628
Post some sad songs, cracker

>>68379649
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dh4ZyuULy9zs

>>68379204
If you woulda said "this isn't even in a minor key" or something, you would've had me going, but it's obvious you're either underage or a faggot. Or both.

>>68379665
Lmao

>>68379661
Feels more bleak than sad

...see, this is (You)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhOOMO_nad8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JNwqRF32ZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlUa1H1_Kwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPsBjZ-ncI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtzlFO19m3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ChkExqv2E

>>68379061
>>68379144
you are a life fool, too short sighted to see past your limits.

>>68380043
THIS. op go to bed.

>>68379061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv3RgbA2UTo

>>68380043
The only sad song in that list is strange fruit and it was wrote by a white man

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Why are whites bad at making happy music?

Is it true that white people are a bunch of depressed tween hipsters?

>>68381229
Because happiness is a sign of low intelligence

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>>68381347
And what if you find happiness in that which causes most other people sadness? Is that not a higher form of intelligence, as those who are sad are unable to recognize the positives in such experiences?

>>68381420
No thats a sign of low intelligence too

Black people always doing some wacky shit like that

>>68381229
MODS MODS I FOUND THE NIGGER

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>>68381461
I don't think you understand. Not mere murder and theft, but mass extinction, subjugation, the ruination of the planet and the final end of human consciousness.

>>68381498
African still wipe their ass with their hands though...

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>>68379078
I really, really hope this is bait

>>68379132
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhP8kGt3JY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y5tOpyipNJs

>>68379093
>>68379193
>>68379204
we get it, you can't relate to anything that isn't milquetoast indie rock and are autistic enough to think sadness can only be expressed one way

>>68381555
Lol if you think those songs are sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh3bleXWaCk

this song right here ends the argument

>>68381555
these don't sound very sad

>>68381564
How are they not sad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFGuXoorp6k

if you can't relate to MJH's pain and suffering then you're a fucking loser

>>68381583
Are you baiting? How do they not sound sad? One's about missing someone, one's about infidelity and one's about slavery.

>>68381586
You're a manual listener. You think lyrics make a song sad.

>>68381604
>>68381607
Point proven

>>68381607
But lyrics DO make a song sad. Also, the music itself is sad. The lone guitar and the heartfelt crooning all invoke a sense of sadness.

If you want an actual answer, sad black songs are usually more energetic. Usually in blues and soul, for example, it's more of an expression of pain than wallowing in depression, which I guess is what would qualify as "sad" to you.

For example >>68381576 i's a way different way of expressing sadness than whatever monotonous depressioncore you're trying to compare it to

>what is nina simone's entire discography

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>>68381656
To me, very few people can pull that off. People like Bob Dylan, Tom Waits and Ed Harcourt.

All of /mu/'s sad guitar strumming kusic sounds shallow and empty to me. NMH comes close, but it ends up sounding more cheesy than soulful.

>>68381347
actually sadness is a sign of being an embarrassing pseud

>>68381721
Okay? Then you're just picky about your sad music. It doesn't make the songs any less sad though for other people or just in general.

bait but i'll bite:

808s and Heartbreak - Kanye West
Speeding Bullet - Kid Cudi
I Don't Like Shit I Don't Go Outside - Earl Sweatshirt
All of Leadbelly's discog
>Blues

I think U by Kendrick Lamar is an example of a sap hip hop song

>>68381761
oh yeah and

Cilvia Demo - Isiah Rashad

>>68381761
>>68381788
this isn't sad, unless the soundtrack to missing out on the brand new jordans is sad. back to ktt

>>68381607
>discussing song
>thinks lyrics are inconsequential

emo faggot music made by rap niggers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjsPG0Kspxo

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>>68381803
Not him, but the more I understand the lyrics, the less I like the song. Either have them be on that Semen Stained Mountaintops poetic jargon level so it feels more meaningful than it actually is, or make your vocals just another instrument in an otherwise instrumental piece.

>>68381798
my bad for being baited

OP is confusing being sad with being a little whiny bitch. Blues is the fucking blues and is sad but not pathetic, because you know, shit happens and that´s it.

>>68381852
>I am 14 and think the way the world makes music is wrong

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>>68382001
Actually, I'm 23

I just find everyday human experiences incredibly mundane, so songs about them are equally uninteresting.

Give me the birth of a star, the death of the universe, something more meaningful than tfw no gf could ever hope to be.

But most people don't compose songs about things beyond their daily lives, so at best I usually hope for the inability to understand their lyrics.

this gets me every time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCYAjGnvc7U

>>68382075
Try making music yourself

>>68382537
no

>>68379078
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As9-A3oW7OE

There's a subtle droning minor sixth almost the whole song, if that's not sad, I don't know what is.

>>68382075
sounds like the problem is that you listen to shit music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTTaZSv27_k

Swimming Pools - Kendrick Lamar - mp3V0 - LAMEENC.aac

>>68382075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtCIPkJNDeg
Listen to some good gamelan, there is no way you'll understand the lyrics, and starting from 1:07 it feels like it belongs on a different dimension

>>68382075
>I am 23
>I find the mundane mundane
>give me carl sagan music
>most people write what they know

>>68381347
>tfw too smart to be happy

>>68379061
>Blues

You're a fucking major league pleb. Go listen to your stepgrind and coresound and your semengurgles and your raps somewhere else.

>>68382537
I've made some EDM as a kid, and some hellgaze, but I don't really have the talent to pull off what I want to hear.

>>68379132
Sometimes i feel like a motherless child is pretty sad desu

>>68381798
I Don't Like Shit I Don't Go Outside is definitely sad and not in a ghetto meme way. Have you even heard the album?

I think what you're getting at is that music in the American folk tradition--which includes what we call "black music," doesn't have the same emotional cues that western popular music has.

The formula for a "sad song" in Western popular music is dissonance -> resolution. A common trope is to insert a minor third into a melody then to later resolve back into a major key.

You hear this in a lot of sad songs: "The Drugs Don't Work," "I Dreamed a Dream," etc. --the famous tearjerkers.

What you see in the American folk tradition is kind of a hodge-podge of various Western European, Eastern European, and African influences. As you probably know, Eastern European and African music uses different scales from Western European music, and "minor" doesn't necessarily equal "sad."

So American folk, and the black music tradition that grew out of it tends to cue listeners into the sadness of a song not with the standard trope of melody->minor third->resolution but rather through delivery, lyricism, or even rhythm.

You can see this still at work in rap, for example. Plenty of rap songs feature minor-key beats, but the song itself will be about having fun or partying.

But to further answer your question, I would like to emphasize that you asked your question poorly. A lot of black musicians are working in so-called "black music" that follows very America folks references, but other black musicians are working with very popular Western sensibilities; you just don't listen to these artists.

Here is one of the most famous black tearjerkers, and it absolutely uses the "minor fall->major lift" formula that I've been talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmDxJrggie8

>>68384458
And there are a lot of "black" songs that follow this same formula, especially in R&B, *especially* in 90's R&B. This isn't a very popular genre with people who already look down on black artists, though, for obvious reasons. But all of these songs have that good ol' minor fall and major lift that sad songs have to be to be sad if you're a white, red-blooded, English-speaking dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65ZPd11gxY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxRyNvTPr8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7EyUY3-Wrg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee9SCW91urE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF8BRvqGCNs

>>68384869
The reason you don't see more of this is that younger American black audiences, especially young black American males, find this kind of melodic signalling to be kind of cheesy and melodramatic.

Black culture in the US values stoicism more than white culture does.

But it's beginning to make a comeback with black musicians.