Why is so much of contemporary folk so dishonestly narcissistic

>>68347278
>i am my mother's only son
hmmm

It's not really.

Maybe that album a bit, but that makes sense considering its detailing a deteriorating relationship. I wouldn't call it's admitted narcissism "dishonest" though.

>>68347337
>>68347289
Bon iver is the absolute worst of modern music. It has such a profound lack of understanding of human nature yet tries to push its lack of knowledge as something "honest", resulting in sonething both cynical and incorrect. Its disgusting music for either gullible fools or narcissists trying to convince themselves they're better than others in being earnest (and they see no inherent irony in doing so)

it isn't

I get why Bon Iver might be called narcissistic but the music sure as hell isn't dishonest

>>68347411
Sup Christgau. Is this one a bomb or a scissor?

>>68347434
Justin Vernon is one of the most disgusting blatantly dishonest singer songwriters I can think of. he genuinely believes himself to be earnest, so I can't blame him for at least trying despite not understanding shit

>>68347411
> I don't feel anything when I listen to music anymore so I made a thread to shit on people who are still capable of being emotionally moved by it

>>68347504
You can't be genuinely emotionally moved by bon iver unless youve the understanding of a naïve teenager just like he is

>>68347411
>>68347503
Damn, nigga. Did Justin fuck your wife in the ass and post it on PornHub, or something? Mellow the fuck out.

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>>68347527
So one of us is a naive teenager, and the other one is wasting his time getting angry about music other people like

Music is inherently narcissistic

>>68347548
Bon iver is exactly for people that insult others before telling them to just "mellow out" and can do this without gagging on their own tongue in disgust

>>68347618
Music is the absolute worst art form. It has such a profound lack of understanding of human nature yet tries to push its lack of knowledge as something "honest", resulting in sonething both cynical and incorrect. Its disgusting entertainment for either gullible fools or narcissists trying to convince themselves they're better than others in being earnest (and they see no inherent irony in doing so)

>>68347618
(not true, by the way)

I've never seen someone hate an artist like OP hates Justin

Like you loathe this fucking guy

>>68347788
I don't hate him as a person, hrs severely misguided

The most frightening part is his cultural influence and how people believed his dishonesty to be genuine

>>68347926
What are you so convinced he's being dishonest about? You think he's faking being sad or something?

probably feeding this troll way more than I should, but I'm a fan and really enjoyed the last album, so I'm just curious about what insidious influence you think he has

>>68347926
I mean dude I just like his music. 22, A Million is a great piece of work and an artistic shift of progress from his previous album.

I don't care if his lyrics are "geniuine" or not I like the music

>>68347926
>disliking an artist's work and his fans because you don't think his lyrics are geniuine

so you have this same problem with 90% of hiphop artists too?

>>68347618
>said the narcissist

>>68347278
> "dishonestly narcissistic"
because modern folk musicians are so deep that they can only pretend to be selfish.

>>68347278
although I enjoy this record (probably because my mother language isn't english and I never pay attention to lyrics) I'm with you OP.
as someone who likes traditional music, contemporary folk (most of it) has turned it's back on it and it's pretty much the opposite of what it "should" be. it lacks the cultural aspect, it's shallow and selfish. So it becomes basically pop with folk aesthetics.

>>68348058
wait a sec do you listen to hip hop? hahaha

>>68348295
I know rite haha

>>68347473
lol

>>68347278
so is your opinion

>>68347278
Why do you feel the need to constantly shitpost Mr. Melon Head?

You see it with old folk like James Taylor and Stephen Stills too. Somehow we all decided that singer/songwriters should be obnoxious assholes wallowing in self-pity

For Emma, Forever Ago [Jagjaguwar, 2008]

Re-accessing Robert Creeley gave me a grip on these solitary meditations, which lose definition faster than an angel's breath on a January morn. Beloved by sensitive young men like Justin Vernon, who recorded the album one winter in his father's Wisconsin hunting cabin after breaking up with his band and his girlfriend in North Carolina, the lyrics aren't as lax as one might fear--as in Creeley, the lines are short and the diction is spare. But the turns of phrase are usually cul-de-sacs, the flights into obscurity have bum wings, and do you really prefer, for instance, Vernon's best-in-show "Now all your love is wasted?/Then who the hell was I?" (much less "Only love is all maroon/Lapping lakes like leery loons") to this Creeley ordinaire: "Soon everything will be sold/and I can go back home/by myself again/and try to be a man"? Yea, sigh his admirers sensitively, in musical context, you old cynic. His falsetto, his murmurs, his accompaniment--they're all so lonely, as when he introduces the climactic "Re: Stacks" with a doleful 45-second guitar strum. To which I can only compare Ralph Carney's grooveful, multifaceted 45-second intro to "The Invoice," which in its subsequent minute says more about our shared aloneness than Vernon's whole record. C+

I like Justin Vernon

>>68348407
Christgau was the Fantano of his day, which is to say a narcissistic hack with shockingly little understanding of how to write a coherent review