what's better, industrial or post-industrial?

>>68294962
post-industrial doesn't exist

>>68294966
but if it did, would it be better?

power electronics

>>68294966
how would you tag the album on the right

>>68295136
meme garbage

>>68295225
>hahahah im 16 years old and a memester

>>68294962
Post-anything is always better than the original genre, prove me wrong.

>>68294962
Both of those albums are post-industrial.
Industrial was a 70s/very early 80s thing.

>>68295782
post grunge

>>68295803
okay you got me there, but that's the only one

actual industrial was a bunch of art students banging on pots and needles and recording it on shit systems and using ironic edgy imagery for shock factor

industrial that uses polished production and predetermined sounds and edgy imagery for whatever artistic purposes is post-industrial

>>68295782
post-metal

is the newer wave of ironic hiphop like Young Thug post-hiphop?

>>68295824
>art students
more like dropout punk teens

>>68295815
i would argue for bebop and hard bop being better than post-bop but if you were to disagree i'd understand were you're coming from

>>68295864
they are more boring

>>68295829
is this 4 reel?

>>68295136
"spermental kinda-ambient wankery"

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>>68295824
>polished production
lmao

>>68295875
post-metal is actually post-rock with more distortion.

>>68295852
>teens

I thought most of the early industrial bands consisted of people who were a lot older than the average 70s punk.
IIRC some of the members of Throbbing Gristle were in their 30s by the time they started the band.
The only proper early punk band I can think of which had members that old were The Stranglers.

>>68295911
>The only proper early punk band I can think of which had members that old were The Stranglers.
What about Suicide?

>>68295938
I was thinking more of the proper mid-70s punk kickoff in regard to the media attention and the start of the subculture rather than any of the precursor bands.

>>68295892
spoonfeed me examples

The only way post-industrial could conceivably exist would be if some faggot decided to make post-rock that has industrial percussions in it.

You know as a shorthand for industrial-influenced-post-rock, just like post-metal is metal-influenced-post-rock.

Industrial (just like metal) has so many different subgenres that you can't conceivably "go beyond" its formula cause it's not formulaic enough.
Like, post-rock is a dumb label cause it's basically rock that has no riffs, and bases itself on the idea that rock needs to have riffs in order to be rock. So in reality it's just atmospheric rock, but at least it bases itself on a general idea of what rock is all about, and then subverting it by removing that element (riffs).

But with industrial there's really nothing you could remove from it or add to it without ending up with a genre that already exists.

Like, if you remove the noisiness you end up with electronic or acoustic wankery. If you remove the rhythm you end up with noise. If you remove the aesthetic you end up with shitty industrial about nothing like Pharmakon or whatever.

>>68295782
post-britpop

>>68295983
no, it's shit, I don't want the meme to spread any further

>>68295969
Suicide were formed in 1970

>>68295987
dumb

aggrotech is post-industrial if you think about it

>>68296036
Well it's either my explanation or this >>68296051

>>68296027
Yeah, but they were a precursor and an influence rather than a de facto part of the mid 70s punk explosion.

>>68296059
he's right

>>68295992
>imbliinf

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Alright here's how it really goes

BEST:
martial industrial
oldschool EBM
industrial rock
industrial black metal
percussive industrial
new wave/darkwave that has industrial bits in it

DUMB BUT ENTERTAINING:
aggrotech
harsh EBM
noisy post-punk people call industrial because it's noisy even though it's technically less industrial than Combichrist
power noise
the rest of industrial metal including cyber metal but not djent cause djent is shit

BORING AND OVERRATED
power electronics
late 70s experimental tape manipulation and electronic wankery
overgrown little girls throwing a temper tantrum while grinding their piss-dribbling pussies on a sheet of metal that has contact microphones glued to it
djent I guess

>>68296182
shit taste

>>68296182
Literally reverse your entire list.

Best industrial is scrap metal improv.

>>68296211
No, best industrial is meticulously-composed, well-recorded scrap metal percussions.

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>>68296211
>scrap metal improv.
this, pic related a 10

>>68296234
It's a primitive, shitty version of what Test Dept and Chu Ishikawa would do later on.

>>68296234
>>68296234
How can you read "overgrown little girls throwing a temper tantrum while grinding their piss-dribbling pussies on a sheet of metal that has contact microphones glued to it" and not immediately think about Pharmakon and her pantypoop fetish?

>>68296275
Test Dept and Chu Ushikawa are shitty, primitive versions of what Aphex Twin and Blanck Mass would do later on.

>>68296321
No, because neither of those two bang on scrap metal or use guitars.

>>68296335
Aphex Twin's 93-94 stuff is made of samples he recorded from banging on the metal walls of his private abandoned bank.

>>68296352
I'll check it out then. Although I doubt it's gonna be that good.

>>68296360
It's in line wirth various early 80's experimental beat stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F9NYE7Sc0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa-8GsMhznc

80's tapes that defy standard genre classifications like >>68296234 are so much better than the musicians who abide to certain standards or cliches who then produce what is known as industrial.

>>68296409
Hey it's pretty good.
All it lacks is CHORD PROGRESSIONS
then it might be as good as industrial rock

>>68296291
Pharmakon has a pantypoop fetish? Source for this?