Would you consider birds singing to be music?

No, unless they're being recorded

>>68276802
yes

>>68276802
Are they intentionally making art, or just trying to fuck?

>>68277199
maybe they're *gasp* communicating

>>68277164
So, correct me if I'm wrong, we're outside and I have a recorder.
You hear the birds and you don't think it's music.

Then later, when we're inside, I replay the recording for you and all of a sudden it's music?

>>68277199
Erotipop is still music.

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Human music
>constant innovation
>has all ranges of emotions from happiness to sadness
>many different types of styles, genres, and instruments to choose from

Bird """""""music"""""""
>*chirp*
>*chirp*
>*whistle*

Are birds talentless hacks: the species?

>>68276802
Of course.
The music exists only in my head.

Listening makes music more than making it does.

>>68277258
Classic pleb comment.

>>68276802
Messiaen certainly thought so

let's save ourselves 58 shitposts and get straight to the root of this:

>define music
>define the words you use to define music
>define truth
>define language
>realize we can't capture reality with language
>you're down the rabbit hole now
>realize truth seeking is fruitless
>abandon intellectualism
>form your beliefs around how much utility they provide to making your brain produce more dopamine instead of forming your beliefs around what you think is "true" since you've now realized truth doesn't exist

I really like birds and the sounds they make. I'd definitely call it music. There are even some birds that produce really awful noises. Those are Harsh Noise birds

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give me some patrician bird albums

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>>68277258
>many different types of styles

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Hatebeak has a parrot as vocalist

>>68277298
can we add that greentext to the wiki or something

>>68277298
and there are mynah birds who are essentially doing the same thing as chris martin

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>>68277275
>>68277314
filthy dumb bird posters

GET OUT

>>68277199
I only play music so girls will fuck me to be fair

No. Art is not art unless intentionally created to convey an emotion or idea.

>>68277258
Human music
>90% is based around the same few chords
>ususally need instruments to make good sounding shit
>usually need computers to make even that sound non-shit
>takes into consideration shitty trends and personal image
>used to make money off plebs

Bird music
>is a true expression of primal instincts
>only voice and skill, no bullshit
>improvised, yet still beautiful
>pretty avantgarde with very little rythm or structure
>used for communication and impressing qts

>>68277405
>unless intentionally created to convey an emotion or idea.

how do you know thats not what birds are doing ?

>>68277462
That's exactly what they're doing

birds can do ring modulation, AM and FM

humans are stuck with a fundamental and a few higher harmonics, we pale in comparison

>>68277233
Yes
>What are field recordings and musique concrete

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>>68276802
Art as a definition, just like music, is purely personal.
For some establishment to 'officially declare' art or music within a specific set of values, would go against the very nature of what makes it meaningful.

You can have your very own personal definition and it can be meaningful and important, maybe even more so if it is different from the rest of the world's definition.
To decide on what it exactly is is moot, in my humble opinion.

Look at John Cage, who was ridiculed for his lack of 'conventional' musical talent. He made was what then established as 'not-music' actually music by exceptional out-of-the box thinking, boldness and personality.

So, in short; fuck the establishment and make your own reality. Think out of your box.

I like bird music

>>68276802
that filename is really bothering me

>>68277258
They're just really horny.

>>68277405
Is speaking an art? Serious question, I've always thought language could be considered an art since it's only purpose is expressing ideas.

>>68278433
if you think it is

think about the following:
just because a large group decided on something doesn't make it true.

If you feel some way about it, it is real. YOU have the power even to make it so.

Your question, for instance, inspires me to make music with cadences and rhythms found in how people talk.

So next to the question if it is music
you could also ask:

"Is it musicAL"

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