When are you going to stop pretending rock was a major genre?

>>68274017
you thought all the americans would be asleep during this hour

but you were WRONG

>>68274029
never get rid of you

Electronic music in the sense of the word today is not 80 years old. Just because art music composers started doing electronic music doesn't mean there's any real relationship between that and modern bleeps and bloops.

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>>68274292
Electronic music is electronic music.

>>68274314
Really?

I thought it was Barbara Walters.

>>68274314
In the same sense that rock is just guitar music, which dates back to the 1300s, yeah I guess.

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>>68274332
Rock is clearly defined with a starting period.

Electronically produced music today is a progression of what began recorded with Schaeffer and Halim.

>>68274017
Pretty sure rock music is the oldest thing there, cavemen banged rocks together right?

>>68274362
Hehehehe

>>68274350
>Electronically produced music today is a progression of what began recorded with Schaeffer and Halim.
Just like rock music is a progression of blues which is a progression of folk

>>68274350
Most electronic music today is influenced by funk, disco, reggae, rock etc. Electronic isn't a genre. Skrillex isn't stealing ideas from stockhausen the way rock bands steal ideas from the beatles.

>>68274457
But folk is folk, sure rock is just a progression on (rythym &) blues.

>>68274466
Its still electronically produced music and no, its not a genre, except on this shitty board.

>>68274475
Blues is definitely a progression of folk, to the extent that it can almost be classed as folk itself (some styles often are, such as Delta blues). The traces of blues in rock music today are much more apparent than the traces of electronic art music in today's modern popular electronica.

>>68274498
>>68274466
So what you're saying is electronically produced music is the only one on the list that has progressed, adapted, changed and evolved so much that its the furthest from its origins. Makes sense.

There's something really off about this thread.

>>68274645
Nope, but if that's the mental gymnastics and slippery slopes you're willing to put yourself through, it would be hard to convince you otherwise. I'm saying the differences between electronic music as the term is used today, and the electronic music that was made in the 30s are vastly more different than the rock music made today and the blues of the late 1800s.

If we're going to say electronic music is 80 years old, we should also say that rock music is over 100 years old. Both are equally correct/incorrect.

>>68274684
The rock genre started in the 1950s >>68274350


Electronic isn't a genre, its a production method starting with the first spark of electricity being recorded

>>68274724
this desu

rockists have used that 'electronic' tag to handwave electronic music for years, but in this thread it's backfiring massively

>>68274724
Which makes the OP pic even more of a false equivalence. Electronic music is a genre just as much as rock music is (little of any stylistic coherence, means of production and instrumentation is defining, millions of "subgenres" to actually separate into stylistic coherence).

Also no, it has nothing to do with a spark of electricity being recorded. Electronic music was performed before it was being recorded, remember, it was art music after all?

>>68274758
Rock and electronic are pretty equivalent in their status as genre contra umbrella term. See above.

>>68274724
>>68274758
Jesus Christ. You're both absolute faggots.

>>68274772
they're not equivalent at all
if you said 'guitar music and electronic music are equivalent' then you'd be right, and you'd get to say guitar music was an older genre

but not rock music, which was a distinct movement, in the way that (say) techno is

>>68274772
(not true by the way)

Rock is defined quite easily and specifically here >>68274350 in the musicologist and university agreed definitive encyclopedia internationally. Its not an umbrella for all string or even guitar music, its a genre with a lot of subgenres the press got too carried away with.

Post a screenshot of the electronic genre from Grove would you.

>>68274789
String music is a better equal as electronic music is not limited to a singular instrument, in fact its extremely expansive in its variety, comparing to just the lowly guitar is unjust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_musical_instrument

>>68274822
fair point, although then you're going all the way back to pythagoras

>>68274724
Do you have retard level reading comprehension? Did you completely miss the point of what >>68274684 was trying to say?

>>68274789
>>68274798
You're both ignoring everything I say and keep making the false equivalence of rock music and electronic in OP, while there's a massive difference between modern electronic music and that of composers. Larger than the difference between rock and blues.

If we're not talking about stylistic coherence, we're talking about means of production, which makes rock 700 years old. If we're talking about stylistic coherence, we're not talking about classical electronic music, which makes it about 30 years old.

These are the two opposing standpoints which you keep trying to conflate into making an inflammatory comparison. There's some serious cognitive dissonance going on when you at the same time try to compare the two, while arguing that they're completely separate things.

I think I'm done here, as you're not really arguing in good faith.

P.S. the rock article on OxMu talks almost entirely about ideology and origins in rhythm and blues, not stylistics. The electronic music article speaks only of the art music variety, but there are articles on the various sub genres of modern electronic music as well (such as techno, house, etc.)

>>68274878
>but there are articles on the various sub genres of modern electronic music as well (such as techno, house, etc.)

Does it say electronic is a genre?

>>68274878
>as you're not really arguing in good faith.

You're comparing a very distinct genre with a production method, like OP, you're both retards.

>>68274017
>tfw my favorite genre is folk
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>>68274878
>If we're not talking about stylistic coherence, we're talking about means of production, which makes rock 700 years old.

oh really, please tell me how people were overdriving amplifiers 700 years ago

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>>68274017
>rock
>only 50 years old

Rock has been around since Earth you fucking idiot.

Pic related

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>>68274890
>>68274898
>>68274954

>>68274999
Earth only formed in 1989 man

>>68275002
There it sure is, you made a cock of yourself again and it didn't even need CLT to do it.

>>68275010
earth is 3k years old

>>68275047
Earth is at least three billions years old, dummy

>>68274786
You're worse for thinking rock music has been good for the last 30 years

>>68275059
nope

>>68275059
>>68275047
Pics or it didn't happen

>>68274017
>electronic music
>genre

>saying rock isn't a major genre because it's young compared to classical

nah son, I consider harsh noise a blip

>>68275059
proof? how will u know if u havent lived that long?

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well

>>68275065
arent you that guy who posted the same vape thread for months straight

>>68276575
lots of meaningless subgenre labels != varied

Rock
Metal
Punk

Anything else is autism.