>"I will give a 10 to the first rock album that can compete

but he gave the ark work a 4

funny meme that since most modern day rock music can easily compete with classical music in just about every way.

What would a rock album that could actually compete with the masterpieces of classical sound like?

>>68263336
never post again

>>68263336
lmao

>>68263141
can't wait till he hears my mixtape then

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um

>>68263336
delet this

>>68263336
On what grounds?

don't think he said that

>>68263377
>>68263379
>>68263416

In what factual way is classical better than rock then?

>>68263450
classical has been around longer, and because of this has had more time to grow as an art form. rock is still young, and most likely in the future rock will be on the same level of artistic appreciation as art, but were just not there yet.

>>68263450
innately greater potential in producing works showcasing:

technical ability
creativity
sonic range
understanding and application of music theory

>>68263494

I disagree, rock is getting steadily worse and worse. IMO it peaked in the 70s.

>>68263336
Please don't vote.

>Jazz
Kek.

>>68263537
DUDE MUH OLD PEOPLE MUSIC LMAO

get with the times grandpa

>>68263518
60s and 70s were an open frontier of artists, but in their time many of them were not appreciated. im absolutely certain that in the future, obscure artists from this decade will rise to be as renowned as any other era

>>68263494
>been around longer
that means fuck all, it the artist behind the piece that really makes it.

>>68263501
Frank Zappa.
King Crimson

>>68263557

are you not aware that classical is still being made?

>>68263591

kek

Everyone above my post should kill themselves

>>68263602
HOOOOOOO SHIT GOTEM NOW I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF

>>68263599
I Think I Lost My Headache has some pretty dope free jazz at the end

Everyone below my post should kill themselves

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>>68263595
>that means fuck all, it the artist behind the piece that really makes it.

Niether Zappa or Crimson can compete with Schubert, Ravel, Bach, Ives or Debussy faggot

They're pop music with "artistic ambitions" and nothing more

>>68263602
calm down scaruffi

>>68263365
Paul McCartney - Ram

>>68263365
Sister Ray

>>68263624
That doesn't even make sense. In what way can't they "compete"?

well - this thread has turned into the expected shitstorm quickly

there's a nice discussion to be had about the core values of different genres and how and why they are different, but boy howdy it's not going to happen here (I'm telling you my dear, it can't happen here) [gratuitous Zappa reference because he is an opinionated individual who dabbled at least a bit in all of these and is a good starting point in an actual discussion, of course starting with his shortcomings in classical and jazz]

>>68263673
don't think too hard about it pleb

>>68263673

In depth and originality.

Pick any 10 seconds from a King Crimson album and tell me how many things are happening. Now do the same with any Bach or Ravel sonata and tell me how many details can you pick.

The amount of craftmanship and pure intelligence (channeled through music theory) is stunning, especially considering that the result is even more moving (at least to me) than most of what rock music has to offer.

>>68263624
>They're pop music with "artistic ambitions" and nothing more
That's a bit obtuse. Zappa was a composer too, though he was nowhere near as good as those you listed. But everyone in your post, including Fripp and Zappa are artists, whether or not you think so

>>68263762

Not that guy but that's pretty much how I feel about rock music and everything that came after.

Death Grips or Velvet Underground may not be as deliberate and smart as the best classical composer, but in a sense they still feel necessary and I'm glad they're out there.

But still, they don't move as much nor do they sound as good as my favourite jazz and classical musicians.

>>68263746
maybe because it's played by an orchestra while rock is like 3+ dudes

>>68263365
it would be fucking lame honestly

>>68263830

I've quoted Bach and Ravel, wich wrote mostly solist pieces for respectively clavichord/organ and piano.

Also string/wind quartets are extremely common in classical music, and even there the level of intelligence and sensitivity behind the music doesn't really compre to what most rock music has to offer.

>>68263746
retarded statement. What makes rock music good isn't what makes classical music good, and vice versa. Lyrically I could say rock music does it better, and give many examples.
Classical is good in its own right.
So is rock music.

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>"classical"
>actually means all non-modern era music
>[non modern eras of music he's probably on about: baroque, classical, romantic]
this guy is autistic he doesn't know shit about music just leave him alone, leafyclone

>>68263865
you're overthinking classical.there's hardly any variation to what sounds are considered acceptable, whilst rock has many many unique sounds

>>68263916
>there's hardly any variation to what sounds are considered acceptable

are you fucking kidding me

classical is literally like a hundred times more diverse/varied in sound than rock

there is classical music for every instrument or every combination of instruments you can imagine, as well as electronics of course

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>>68263916
>there's hardly any variation to what sounds are considered acceptable

>>68263948

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>68263872
>Lyrically I could say rock music does it better, and give many examples

Classical music set songs to the poetry of Petrach, Goethe, Baudelaire, Whitman, and Mallarme

Don't ever tell me Bob Dylan or Lennon wrote stanzas as beautiful as those mentioned above

>>68263916
Wrong again pleb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Psx24n3rM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yljhvouhh2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwlFKuCRRzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9n6pwpK0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWS3folrIuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26K9f8n6ymU

Classical music has been the forefront of discovering new ways to make sound and music

Rock music innovations are just lower artists catching up to the innovations

>>68263948
>>68263955
so theres classical composers that created sounds/lyrics/music with variation as much as;

>Slint
>My Bloody Valentine
>Swans
>Nails
>Bob Dylan

rock music is SHIT

>>68263975

How do I not?

>>68264064

absolutely

everything those artists did, classical did first.

>>68264064
is this bait?

>>68263789
Even still, treating the term "Popular music", which isn't interchangeable with "pop" as people on /mu/ seem to think, as a derogatory term is stupid. It's just a system of classification, not merit

Something I find is that people treat Art music as such an appeal to intelligence, as if that was all it's about. I never see, on /mu/ that is, people discussing Art music for how it makes them feel. I mean, theoretical analysis is arguably more valuable, but you don't even know theory to be touched by Art music. Whether or not that's why they dislike popular music, since it isn't particularly based in technicality or virtuosity, I don't know, but it seems that way to me.

>>68263975
He didn't say anything wrong, so it seems he does

>>68263916
>hardly any variation to what sounds are considered acceptable
this has to be b8

>>68264037
Where's the depressing lyrics? The obscure lyrics? The funny lyrics? The offensive lyrics?

god damn classicalfags are real annoying like i kind of agree with them but they manage to be the most pretentious people on this site

>>68264070
not true, by the way

>>68264078
i think he wants examples anon

>>68264064
>Bob Dylan
Bob Dylan wasn't even the first to sound like Bob Dylan

>>68264112
https://youtu.be/C78HBp-Youk

>>68264112

You're thinking about bards and old popular music.

Operas had lyrics, but they were usually taken from classic plays and poems.

>>68263621
cuck

>>68264115
Plebs deserved to condescended too

>>68264112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaHIZqeiKfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0MRCmJyQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMKyTAe6yeM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgGA1eEjhLA

Right here

>>68263414
that's not rock though

>>68264115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJOaGIhG7A

>all these people pretending to like classical more than modern music

>>68264161
>fell for a clt meme
>thinks he has the right to be condescending

>>68264078
Hmmm, I don't ever remember listening to a piece of classical music that could vary its instrumental play in such a way as to obscure which instrument is actually being played, like Loveless does. Or be as aggressive/loud as some of Swans material

>>68264222

holy shit you can't be serious

a person this stupid cannot exist

I'm not gonna spoonfeed you

educate yourself, or look at some of the examples people have posted in this thread

but I can guarantee you that was done decades, even centuries before Loveless or Swans

>>68264222
here u go>>68264195

>>68264219
If I had the choice to have sex with a woman or CLT, I would pick CLT

>>68264222
Any of these picks right here>>68264037

Have more variation in sound and timbre, than any of MBV or Swans

If you are at least gonna troll be subtle about it because you're just looking like a moron

>>68264209

You just don't get it yet.

Most people who listened to classical music for the first time had your same opinion initially.

What happens is that you start listening to the classics and at some point something clicks, you understand that these artists were as real as the ones that are releasing music in 2016.

Once you actually understand why Bach is so well reviewed, turning back to rock music seems unappealing.

>>68264209
I seriously doubt anyone has to pretend.

>>68264115
Seriously, I let all their talk of popular music being worthless that I almost stopped making music. I even mentioned once that I was taking more theory classes and someone told me not to bother because if I was already writing impressive work as a child, it was hopeless.

>>68263141
Funny, because he never said that. In fact he thinks TMR is better than most jazz albums (just look at his "most influential" music of the second half of the 20th century) list.

>>68264318
t.loser

>>68264280
>turning back to rock music seems unappealing.
not for me.

I don't understand why people are so staunch on this "never going back" principle. It's perfectly possible to like Art music and rock

>>68264263
I don't think you see the original point. The point was there's examples of rock music that can compete with the greatest classical masterpieces, and that is arguably true.

>>68264345
Why did you put you regards at the end of an empty post?

>>68264361
T.Loser

>>68264350
No, wrong, please drop your trip and refrain from posting ever again

>>68263414
lol not even music

>>68264350
> that is arguably true
Demonstrably false.

>>68264350
wrong
try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDqCIcsUtPI

>>68264318

Everything that can possibly be done in the context of popular music as we know it has pretty much been done, however that shouldn't stop you from making your own music. Music can have a fun element to it as well. Not everyone NEEDS ti attempt to progress music as a whole.

>>68264342

http://www.scaruffi.com/music/letters.html

>Il 10 me lo riservo per il primo disco di musica rock che mettero` insieme ai capolavori della classica e del jazz.

>>68263591
Like Clockwork was better

>>68263414
hahahahahaha

>>68263624
Schubert, Ravel, Bach, Ives or Debussy were also the pop music of their time

a lot of people don't realize that there has been a paradigm shift in music from composer being king to the performing musicians being in the focus

jazz really started the revolution with the soloists taking over the throne from the composers and arrangers in the bebop era

then there was a brief time when big composer/performer people were the greatest individual stars that ever shone so far - especially with new studio techniques and transistor driven effects, the key music makers and performers were the same for a brief time

and then it started to change again in the late 60's when studio work took over - you needed both the presentable figurehead as well as top notch production - again the masterminds could hide behind the curtain while the appealing characters paraded on stage

now it's a complicated world - especially the classical, jazz and pop worlds show the directions music can go in and attract an audience - classical is the realm of the supreme talent; the composer is the star and supreme musicians make any fantastic new idea come alive in a performance adding their own bit of flavor to it, jazz is the realm of collaborative creation and improvising - the excitement of talented individuals coming together to bring a new exciting interpretation different from any other come to life in every performance, pop the realm of the planned and practiced experience - all elements working together like clockwork, the stage show and total experience fine-tuned for maximized intensity sure to please the largest crowds

all are great things - people who care about music will have their own opinions on which one they love most - weird that so much stupid fights over details can still go on, shit's just fucking too different

why do people wank over classical music so much? I mean why even compare classical to rock?

Rock was never trying to be anything similar to classical, that's not the point in rock music.

>>68263666
kill yourself, thats actually trash

>>68264457
Bach, Schubert, Debussy, nor Ives were popular in their time

Ravel gained popularity after the 20's, Debussy was highly controversial during his composing career, and Bach, Schubert, and Ives were largely ignored

>>68264480
Thats exactly the point we were trying to make until this retard showed up>>68264350

>>68264263
>Have more variation in sound and timbre, than any of MBV or Swans
Not really, because both artists use tape and electronic manipulation to contort sounds into timbres that do not occur naturally, thus creating more emotional opportunities

Didn't he outright claim that Sister Ray was on par with Beethoven?

Why didn't he give WL/WH a 10?

>>68264463
/thread

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>>68263141
>pic related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFjuPbCShBw

>>68264534
Stockhausen, and Reich used the same techniques years before both

Please refrain from posting of you do not have any knowledge on said subject

>>68264548
only good song on that on album
>>68264556
gj punking out little bitch

>>68264520
you're the retard if you don't think music is subjective

>>68263141
Source? He said it?! Shocking. Hes 200% right.

>>68264037
dont bother, he just doesn't understand the theory or ever listened to classical for that matter

>>68264571
>Stockhausen, and Reich used the same techniques years before both
Oh show me the Stockhausen track with prepared electric guitar through 50 stomp boxes?

I'll wait.

>>68263365
None so far. (but theres one in the works).

The greatest album of all time, the pinnacle of music, the bible of pop and art music.

>>68264652
OK Computer?

>>68264037
>Don't ever tell me Bob Dylan or Lennon wrote stanzas as beautiful as those mentioned above
How are you measuring beauty?

>>68264617
LOL, the classic fags have finally been silenced

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Does he just forget about this?

>>68264617
>>68264704
samefagging is poor form, anon

>>68264593
music is objective
taste is subjective
you're a retard

>>68264718
>4/10

can classical compete with the completely new sounds and emotions created and portrayed within soundtracks for the blind though?

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>>68264734
Out of arguments already?

>>68264761
>music is subjectively objective

you're a retard

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>>68264775
>new sounds and emotions

>>68264808

music and music taste are two different things retard

>>68264548
I think when you go and compare Sister Ray to Beethoven, you have to be leaving out a lot of relevant detail on what you like

Lou Reed brought a lot or trans, gay and drug themes to music, presenting them with a strong conviction that spoke to the subcultures - he was after all an active part in all that shit. A lot of Lou Reed's lyrics might seem juvenile or just crude today, but dude was the early, honest voice of multiple subcultures wanting to be represented in culture and we should all appreciate and value him for doing that shit.

He might seem like an edgy guy trying to shock normies now, but at that time all he really was, was someone brave enough to sing about the shit everyone knew was out there that almost no one else did.

50 years from the first Lou Reed recordings the shit he was one of the first prominent figures to openly sing about, shit's still debated. He did drugs, he got electroshock therapy for homo tendencies, he was attracted to and cared about transexuals. And he was proud of it all and sang about all of it. He wrote love songs to taboo topics and was a great figure for it.

He was queer and brave and didn't give any fucks and the world of art as honest personal expression gained an incredible amount as a result of his generation coming out.

Not to devalue the great composers of previous eras, but even when Lou Reed's music was crude, he was a real champion of keeping art relevant as personal expression.

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>rock music is superior to classical

>>68264789
actually, that was my first post in this thread, but we are all impressed by your use of microsoft paint anon.

>>68264820
show me an example of static feedback loops in classical music then

>>68264682
no, its actually a project sealed with seven keys

>>68264593
can you open a book before spewing this year 1 philosophy of aesthetics garbage, though coupled with your assertions earlier in the thread you may be entirely beyond hope

>>68264899
>actually, that was my first post in this thread
What a shame for you then!
>but we are all impressed by your use of microsoft paint anon.
Nice damage control

>>68263141
Ok, he's autistic. What's your point.

>>68264925
sorry, didn't know your opinion counted more than mine

>>68264855
Classical? no. But it sure is a hell of alot better than that crazy nigger bongo music called jazz.

>>68264849

You are talking about the politics/culture of Lou Reed's music, not the actual music (besides lyrics) which is what we are talking about.

>>68264913

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTlm2bpbd8Q

>>68264913
LOL, the classic fags have been silenced once again

>>68264913
https://www.discogs.com/Robert-Ashley-Wolfman/release/329254

>>68264926
>Nice damage control
i'm not the one samefagging to make it seem like people agree with my inane points.

>>68265050
>i'm not the one samefagging
Neither am I.

Answer the question if you can, or fuck off.

>>68265035
That isn't classical music you pleb

>>68263414
stop

>>68265013

No.

Rock is less refined, booty, out of fashion, and sometimes only flow on autist loops of degeneracy.

>>68265060
yeah you are

>>68265071

yes it is, how the fuck would it not be classical music? Steve Reich is a classical composer, literally google it

>>68265082
>booty
wow rmyt

>>68264718
haha their 3 first releases whipes the floor with this

>>68265083
>yeah you are
Prove it.

Answer the question. Last chance.

>>68263141
Because captain beef heart is almost as good as those jazz and classical composers huh? His 9s and the 9.5 he gave to TMR make no sense if that's the standard he's putting rock to.

>>68265083
Is this what its resorted to for you classic fags? >"stop same fagging"
when an anon asks you to provide proof and you can't?

>>68265071
>That isn't classical music you pleb
Don't attempt to play semantics if you can't remember to capitalize Classical.

>>68265112
>>68265119
"stop same fagging"

>>68264913
>believes the scope of classical music encapsulates only common practice music
Nono dealt with tape loops in the 70s and musique concrete as a discipline exists
>>68265071
read a book

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>Of course rock is superior :)

>>68265049
not classical, free jazz

>>68265132
you sure showed him

>>68265102
Jazz overall is highly more elegant, technical, artistic and better sounding than any Rock ever recorded. Rock is a poors man Jazz, and Jazz its a Urban Art Music fashionized in a sexy shape.

In fact, rock was a mistake.

>>68265145
>18:59:25 No.68265112
>18:59:46 No.68265119
>must be samefag!
lol

>>68265176
>poors man
wdhmbt

>>68265132
well, he definitely got the pleb part right

>>68265169
Incorrect.

>>68265168
But rock in the end was a black people creation. So the white people is lost at the middle, uneducated again. Human race started with african black skinned folks.

>>68265236
Steve Reich is patrician.

>>68265259
>trying to turn a scaruffibait thread into a racebait thread
>>>/out/

>>68265259
>But rock in the end was a black people creation.
if we're talking about the creation of rock, wouldn't that be at the begginging, not the end?

>>68265276
and you're a pleb

>>68265276
No small feat considering how accessible his music is compared to other contemporary composers.

slipknot is better than the beatles.

>>68263141
If you don't immediately understand why he's wrong, I would recommend studying music theory to some degree

>>68265320
this.

>>68265299
Incorrect.

>>68265302
A very good point.

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>>68265289
>he's not wrong

>>68265335
Correct.

>>68263141
where's the quote for that? I can't find it

>>68265359
lmao your gay

some of the most beautiful lyrics ever wrote come from Rock music

>>68265320
You're dumb and numb. Scaruffi is saying that THE GREATEST CLASSICAL AND JAZZ MASTERPIECES are superior to the greatest rock albums including hip hop etc ever made. Hes right, quality wise speaking.

>>68265388
>quality wise speaking.
But "I like it better!" is not a valid measure of quality.

>>68265385
lel stfu plebian btfo

>>68263336
have a (you) cuck

>>68263141
Rock is more primitive and repetitive than jazz and classical and that's what makes it great

Pop music is about emotion. Nothing else matters.

>>68265359
Incorrect.

>>68265386
>some of
Don't be a weasel about it, post some examples.

can mods pls delete this thread, this is the worst thread on /mu/, it's just people jerking off four hundred year old husks of classical music, and fresh corpses of rock music. It's necrophilia either way

>>68265402
The simply fact that the best Classic and Jazz works are more skilled and needed more muscianship than any other music genre gives to them the credit as the pinnacle of music, so Rock have to be threated as a bastard, as this is. Rock is retarded weebo shit.

>>68265422
>Rock is more primitive and repetitive
and this why we got shitty hip hop
thx rock

>>68265467
Complexity != quality

internalize this

>>68265422
Rock is just a simulacra trying to mimic the footstep of hundreds of years of mastering and musicianship of art music composers and ancient instrumentalists.

>>68265458
You're a faggot

>>68265455
go and listen yourself, you'll find plenty of examples t

>>68265463
>more skilled and needed more muscianship
Not relevant. Only the end result matters, not obtuse concepts like the theoretical possibility of how fast a musician can play.

>>68265422
>that's what makes it marketable and saleable
Fixed that for you.

>>68265463
>it requires more "skill" based on my subjective perceptions of musicianship therefore it's better
>>68265497
>>68265507
Rock isn't trying to mimic art music. Most of it doesn't even try to. The best rock is intensely emotional and physical, they provide things that other genres don't.

>>68265507
What music wasn't made for money? Do you know what a patron is?

>>68265500
I have plenty, I'm just wondering what you consider "most beautiful."

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>>68265507
>m-muh commodification

>>68265528
this.

You won't find Death Grips lyrics in classical music, for example

>>68265502
In the the end of the day. Music stil is objective. As 1+1 is 2, Classical and Jazz are superior music form and Rock is for peripherals plebs. GET TASTE!

>>68265559
It's about which provides the best income.

>>68265564
stuff that makes me physically cry with emotion

>>68263494
>rock is still young
Rock is dying. In fact, it'll be completely dead in a decade. After that, no one is going to make anything even remotely new or good with a band if they try to start one because all the ideas have been worn out and taken to their heights. There's nothing left to say in rock.

>>68265571
>it's just better because it is! I don't have to argue
I might agree that Art music is best, but you're retarded and should kill yourself

>>68265463
kek. best post in this thread

>>68265598
>After that, no one is going to make anything even remotely new or good with a band if they try to start one because all the ideas have been worn out and taken to their heights. There's nothing left to say in rock.
This is not true, only uncreative people think that "everything has been done". Art is limitless. But yeah, every rock band of the last 10 years is a boring, uncreative revivalist band.

>>68265571
>Classical and Jazz are superior music form and Rock is for peripherals plebs
Whats the objective method of measuring that then?

>>68265598
You're saying the same thing that people have always said about everything. You can't conceive upon concepts that don't exist yet, so stop pretending you can see the future

>>68265637
nah one good rock album in the 10 last years better than white light/white heat

>>68263180
fpbp

>>68265659
OK here's three:
OK Computer
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
In The Airplane Over The Sea

>>68265035
at the end of the day it's the human message that matters

ultimately all art is about communicating humanity - if you can make people feel, identify, see things in a new light - understand humanity in some way, you've made art

obviously Lou Reed was shit at the craft of composing in almost any theoretical compared to practically anyone with any formal education, but he did make some great art and took culture as a whole forward - it's just a matter of what you find important personally, humanity almost totally as a whole has sided with cultural relevance being the mark of a good artist - not technical skill, but there are certainly people who think differently and sure, why not - it's a defensible position, you just have to conceded that you are playing by different rules

>>68265659
What are you asking?

>>68265528
>they provide things that other genres don't
for example...

>>68265678
... this is just sad.

>>68265678
you've failed me

>>68265693
>Lack of any argument
Classicalfags again

>>68265685
Listen to this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRJFsdUvqA
Name me one classical or jazz work as aggressive, physical, and emotional as this song.

>>68264128
>this

>>68265659
Why, so you can just say "nope!" without arguing? Why do you think rock music is depleted of ideas, and what makes your wolfcry any different from the leagues of people who said the same thing long before you did?

>>68265693
>actually falling for that

>>68265726
Dude, go back to NMH, who cares.

>>68265071
bruh,
soft machine is more classical and jaz than rock,
.
get your pleb together you shit

>>68264849
hi pitchfork

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>>68265678

>>68265678
>OK Computer
1997
>Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
2002

>airplane
1998

none of those are 10 years

>>68265678
top kek
big_grin_laugh.jpg

>ITT: MY OPINION = FACT
there's no objective way to measure the quality of art you fucking retards

>>68265678
OK Computer is 20 next year, ITAOTS the year after that. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is also 15 next year - I know, I'm old too.

I think undeniably they are more musically competent albums by far and do great things to convey the spirit of the times - White Light/White Heat is more primal, but mostly just because it came out earlier. There's a lot of urgency to it that you can still sense.

But yeah, if someone recorded WL/WH today, it would be garage band garbage - it's a great album for it's time, but it's just so hard to compare. WL/WH opened a lot of doors at it's time, I think - OK Computer might be able to compete, but the others no way.

They are all great, but there's just no way to compare without placing values on when something happened.

>>68265659
>>68265598

>Rating albums by how unique they are

BTFO

>>68265861
didn't we tell you to kill yourself. worst opinion in this thread

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>>68263141
here you go

>>68265882
So you agree with that statement?

Kill yourself

>>68265948
put ur trip back on. this is pathetic

>>68264494

youre the one thats trash buddy

>>68264617
>I'm pretty sure on his Beefheart page he said something like "Trout Mask Replica is the closest rock has come to being high art".
Glenn Branca was doing modern classical stuff like that before all these bands copied it from him.

>>68265422
>muh emotional meme
No, it's because it's marketed that way and you're made to believe to think that way. There is NO piece of art that has inherent emotional qualities to it. It's why some people will get emotional from the most vapid sounding pop music while someone else is getting emotional from some sadboy emo stuff while another person gets emotional to classical or jazz.

>>68265458
BAWWWWW!!!! I just got told the truth that classical music is far better than popular music! BAWWWWW!!!!!

>>68263141
he never said that, and his #1 jazz album was only a 9.5

Does anyone have that "Art music vs. Popular music" meme picture? If anyone has it can you post it here.

>>68266439
>his #1 jazz album was only a 9.5

wut? he doesn't even rate jazz albums

>>68265785
>none of those are 10 years
Oh i see, goalpost shifting?

>>68266064
Ooops you didn't seem to have answered my question! Try again?

>>68266782
>>68266439

also, he DID say that:

http://www.scaruffi.com/music/letters.html

>"Il 10 me lo riservo per il primo disco di musica rock che mettero` insieme ai capolavori della classica e del jazz."

Jazz/classical fan is pretentious:
>[Some bullshit about x genre not being real art because it isn't old enough, attempts to establish an objective musical standard based on complexity]

Rock/metal fan is pretentious:
>"KEK NICE BAIT FAGGOT METALHEAD GO BACK TO YOUR TRIPE YOU'RE NOT READY FOR REAL MUSIC"

>>68266262
>There is NO piece of art that has inherent emotional qualities to it
Incorrect. ALL art is tied to emotion.

Name one art that isn't.

>>68263180
the ark work has an idm influence and judging by how he's rated autechre/aphex twin albums he has no idea what it is

>>68267175
Speaking of Aphex Twin

I heard the piece Aphex Twin of Richard James carefully: I think it would be very helpful if he listens to my work Song Of The Youth, which is electronic music, and a young boy’s voice singing with himself. Because he would then immediately stop with all these post-African repetitions, and he would look for changing tempi and changing rhythms, and he would not allow to repeat any rhythm if it were varied to some extent and if it did not have a direction in its sequence of variations.

- Karlheinz Stockhausen

>>68263414
get out

>>68267293
I can agree that aphex twin is nowhere near the best idm artist but he pretty much founded it and the album "artificial intelligence" has an important mark on history and deserves a higher rating.

>>68267293
it's funny because soon after this quote richard went and made the rdj album, come to daddy, and drukqs.

Is it posible that Radiohead has the potential to make a 10/10 album?
I mean, in his OK Computer review he literally says that half of the album is filler, (he doesn't specify what songs are "filler") and the other half is a masterpiece and gives it a 7, I mean, who could give a 7 to an album where you believe half of its songs are bad? what if radiohead went back in time and re-released it getting out their weakest tracks (electioneering, let down, lucky, etc) and replaced them with Big Boots, Lift, or whatever the fuck they could have been working at the time, could that hypothetical album go down as a 10/10??

>>68267768
>Is it posible that Radiohead has the potential to make a 10/10 album?
Yes since they already made several
>and replaced them with Big Boots, Lift,
Lift is Pablo Honey tier pop garbage
Big boots is interesting but wouldn't fit on OK Computer. It dates from The Bends.

>>68267833
Lift is debatable, but Big Boots definitely sounds from OK Computer not the bends.

>>68267886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_CwBqKSNno

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>>68263141
...

im gonna show that scaruffi motherfucker just yall wait i swear im gonna do it

>>68267768
>Lift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3-4fK8h8ig

It sounds like fucking Coldplay

>>68267960
True love waits, motion picture soundtrack, nude and who knows how many others were written at that time yet they all sound so different, radiohead tried to do a proper recording of the song during the OK Computer tour and it sounds very different from the one you linked.

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>>68263336
>most

>>68268600
>radiohead tried to do a proper recording of the song during the OK Computer tour and it sounds very different from the one you linked.
Oh, so recorded AFTER OK Computer?

>>68268644
Yes

https://youtu.be/L9vAME_4Ws8

>>68268808
Then it couldn't have been on OK Computer then, could it?

>>68268879
You are assuming that they time travel keeping al their knowledge, also pretty sure they tried before the album too

>>68269278
>You are assuming that they time travel keeping al their knowledge
You are assuming the don't.
>also pretty sure they tried before the album too
They didn't. It was an abandoned Bends song, they only revived it for the soundtrack to that awful movie.

Get your head out of the clouds and stop thinking about fucking Thom Yorke time traveling to fuck your mommy 14 years ago before you were born so he could be your father and do something productive with your life like learn an instrument ya faggit.

>>68269337
Admit it you would like to have based Thom as your father too

>>68269424
A weirdo touring musician as a father?

Might as well not have one at all.

>>68264222
>don't ever remember listening to a piece of classical music that could vary its instrumental play in such a way as to obscure which instrument is actually being played
Try some Cage faggot.

>>68263141

he literally said sister ray was a modern beethoven symphony.

>>68269337
Now imagine Thom Yorke time travelling to fuck her mom so he can have a sister , then he time travels again and fucks her sister, could that human being form a band and get the 10/10 that rock deserves? I mean, his dad would be Thom and her mother Thom's sister and also daughter, that guy must be hella talented

>>68269603
>Now imagine Thom Yorke time travelling to fuck her mom so he can have a sister , then he time travels again and fucks her sister, could that human being form a band and get the 10/10 that rock deserves?
Now because the real talent is Johnny Greenwood

>>68264938
/thread

>>68269659
>Misspelling Jonny Greenwood

I can't argue with someone who doesn't even know who he is talking about

>>68269745
You just can't argue in general

>>68267768

he said the same thing about lana del rey.

>>68269791
>Lana Del Rey
>Rock

>>68263874
>classical
>genre
that would've sufficed you tryhard newfag