Albums that are more influential than good.

>>68240552
But that's an amazing album

>>68240572
But you're wrong

Never Mind the Bollocks

Anything by Sonic Youth or Velvet Underground

Anything by the Byrds

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Oh, yes.

Some amazing tracks, but most tracks are completely forgettable as filler.

Highway 61 Revisited.

I say this as someone who loves BIABH and BoB

>>68240948
>how to spot a pleb

>>68240965
>anyone who doesn't like what I like is a pleb

>>68240937
BoB is pretty much objectively better than BIABH and H61 but what makes you like BIABH more than H61?

>>68240897
Nah. If even one modern pop musician learned even one lesson from the Beatles on how to write a great pop song, the radio would be a much friendlier place. Anyone who thinks the Beatles were merely important rather than being good are 100% guaranteed to be clueless on the topic of songwriting as a craft or music theory.

>>68240991
I absolutely love the Beatles, but I just thin Revolver is rather overrated. It started the whole "psychedelic" movement, but it's honestly not that good compared to Magical Mystery Tour and Sgt. Pepper's.

>>68240991
Dylan's not as focused on H61R as he was on BIABH, the songs for the most part don't have the same emotional pull. The ones I really like are LaRS, Ballad of a Thin Man, s/t and Desolation Row.

Mind you, if you get into the whole argument about if an album should have a nice flow and all that stuff, I'd concede that H61R is the better album, but as a collection of songs and recordings I prefer BIABH.

>>68241025
Well, yeah, they're super overrated. No band can be called "the best band" by literally every rock critic on the planet and NOT be overrated to some extent. But most late Beatles albums are absolutely bursting at the seams with quality regardless of their age or significance in the rock canon, and imo Revolver is their strongest. If you wanna talk about "importance over quality", my vote would go for I Want to Hold Your Hand since it broke in the British invasion (their first #1 in the states). Sgt. Pepper's would be my album pick for "more influential than good". It's a good album but it's completely overshadowed by its impact on rock music, unlike Revolver which is a lot more subdued. Nowhere near as iconic, nor as frequently credited as THE defining moment when rock music became art, or whatever.

>>68241036
I can feel that. BIABH with it's all-folk side b and its mostly-electric side a feels a lot more focused. I'm the opposite though; I like BIABH as an album and H61 as a collection of songs.

Some growers on H61, imo: Queen Jane Approx., Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues, Tombstone Blues.

>>68241116
I get you, but I honestly think that it has too many poor songs to even be considered the "best" Beatles album.

>>68241167
Really? I find its UK tracklisting to be among their strongest, right alongside MMT. What songs do you think are weak?

I can see Yellow Submarine, Good Day Sunshine, and Dr. Robert, but I think every other song on this album is just magnificent.

>>68241116
There seems to be a generation gap when it comes to Sgt Peppers. Boomers and older Gen Xers still consider it the best Beatles album but I've notice people under 30 in general tend to pick other late period albums as their favorite Beatles album. I really don't know anybody irl who's called it their favorite album by the group. Yes, I know this is all anecdotal, but I've had a hefty amount of discussions about the Fab Four and they almost all have the same things said about Sgt Pepper's.

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Loveless by MBV

>>68240600
>Anything by Sonic Youth or Velvet Underground
I can understand TVU&N, TVU and Loaded but
>White Light/White Heat
>not a GOAT album

>>68240600
The Byrds have quite a few albums that aren't influential.

>>68241237
No, I agree. I've noticed the same trend. I honestly think it's because of the impact Sgt. Pepper's had and how aesthetically different it was. The packaging, the concept, the production trickery, the atmosphere, the way some tracks fade into another, the reprise, and A Day in the Life. It's definitely a more arty album on the surface, through and through. Frankly, boomers are the worst possible authority on the Beatles because they lived during the hype and are terrible/too old to look at the albums from any lens other than a rose tinted one.

Most young'uns are capable of looking at things retrospectively with no context to hype or the cult of personality surrounding the band, so they tend to pick albums other than Sgt. Pepper.

That's my view of it anyhow.

>>68241277
>"no"

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>>68240948
nah.
>>68241003
for the most part nah, but not entirely wrong

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But I still really like most of it.

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Not saying ITCOTCK isn't great, but ITWOP is basically just a much better iteration of ITCOTCK.

>>68240572
doesnt mean it isnt good at all i guess, just that its more influental or iconic than that. if that was somehow possible to quantify. i think pretty much any and all classic albums would apply, it's nearly impossible to live up to that amount of snowballed hype and mythos even if you're, idk, the fuckin 9th or a love supreme

>>68241003
I agree, and I say this as someone who thinks most of the songs on there have their charm, and are good on their own.

In my opinion the album's tracklist needed to be rearranged really, really badly; the tone is extremely disjointed at almost all points, and the production, even though it's Dre, literally feels all over the place. How do you go from the lauded 1-2-3 right into comparatively "softer" songs like If It Ain't Ruff and Parental Discretion Iz Advised? Why is Something 2 Dance 2 even on the album? I know it's a homage to Dre's World Class Wreckin' Cru, but it just doesn't fit, and it was chosen as the closer of all things, where Express Yourself, the single version, at least, should've been. Where's Boyz-N-The-Hood? The remix should've been on Straight Outta Compton, not Eazy Duz It. Why was Dopeman remixed; it was fine in its original form? Where's A Bitch Iz A Bitch? It's one of their best songs, and it explains a viewpoint they've always expressed in interviews, and said viewpoint became one held by pretty much all gangsta rappers afterwards, but they somehow didn't feel like it needed to be expressed on a seminal gangsta rap album.

I think this list would've worked a lot better:
>Straight Outta Compton
>Fuck Tha Police
>Gangsta Gangsta
>Boyz-N-The-Hood
>Compton's N The House
>Parental Discretion Iz Advised
>If It Ain't Ruff
>Quiet on Tha Set
>Something Like That
>Dopeman (the original)
>8 Ball (Remix)
>I Ain't Tha 1
>A Bitch Iz A Bitch
>Express Yourself (Extended Mix)

Now you've got the 1-2-3 plus Boyz N The Hood, then the posse cuts and braggadocio songs, then the songs about the community, and then a closing message to express yourself like the group just did.

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Seriously fuck this album

>>68242236
I don't get how people don't like this album

>>68242236
when i was younger, i started out a generic teenage metal head but then started get into old punk music.
I was really into misfits, black flag, ram-ones and sex pistols and i kept seeing this album mentioned along side the rest of the classics.
being familiar with should i stay or should i go i was expecting great things but the first time i heard this album it was probably the most dissapointing first listen ever.
I was expecting ground shaking proto punk and instead i heard generic blues and pub songs.

Now im older i appreciate it a bit more as there are some good tunes and i can see how it fit in historically but still would struggle to give it more than 6/10.
Its also far too long

>>68242236
L O N D O N
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D
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almost anything by nirvanna or the beatles

>>68242522
nice dubs, but nirvana holds up.

>>68241992
thin ice

>>68240552
Strongly disagree

>>68240897
Strongly disagree

>>68240948
Strongly disagree

>>68241837
Disagree, it's amazing. Listened to it again just last night. Frankie Teardrop is still fucking terrifying

>>68241860
Disagree

>>68241992
Eh i'm not a fan, Red is probably better and more influential.

>>68242236
Probably, i think it's boring. Although i don't think it's that influential, compared to Never Mind the Bollocks, or even to Combat Rock

>>68242440
I really like it, was it that influential ?

>>68242706
>I really like it, was it that influential ?
It's literally the first release in the early Norwegian black metal scene. You tell me.

>>68242484
Are you me ? hah, that's literally exactly how i felt (and still feel) about this album
I mean no disrespect to The Clash but yeah it's not doing it for me, and i'm a huge punk fan

What do you think of Combat Rock ? I think it's way better (and shorter, thank god)

it is so hard not to be triggered by this thread. SO HARD... I AM ALMOST LOST CONTROL AGAAAAAAIN

>>68241046

Commit suicide immediately.

>>68242752
>Norwegian black metal scene

>>68242856
>>Norwegian black metal scene

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Had a shitty influence.

>>68241003
good opinion anon

>>68242925
I would actually say this album is the opposite of this thread, it's better than the influence it had

>>68242342
too many fillers

>>68243119
song you don't like =/= filler

>>68242168
Good points overall. I agree that its still a good album but it needed work and overall had a huge impact on not just the scene but social issues in the area.

How has OK Computer not been posted yet??

>>68242168
Wasn't Bitch Is A Bitch recorded in 1989?

>>68240600
>Anything by Sonic Youth or Velvet Underground

These are the epitome of this.

>>68240948
Thissss

>>68243221
Yeah, like I said before, I dig pretty much all of the songs, even Something 2 Dance 2, but I feel that Straight Outta Compton is a good compilation of gangsta rap songs, but merely an average album, if that makes any sense. It definitely could have used some more work. What's amazing about it though is that it even in the form it was presented in, it wasn't only influential in rap lyricism, it was influential in production as well. The title track was one of the first songs to sample a track called Amen Brother, by The Winstons. That track has been sampled in over 1000 songs, and is probably the most sampled drum break of all time. Making alterations to it is also the basis for the Drum and Bass genre if I remember correctly. Gangsta Gangsta and Dopeman were some of the first songs to sample Funky Worm by The Ohio Players, a song which laid out the sampling foundation of Dre's trademark high-pitched G-Funk sound. A lot of people here say Straight Outta Compton sounds dated, and I can probably guess the reason: quite a few of the samples used without alteration in Straight Outta Compton have since been used and played around with by so many acts afterwards that these songs just sound barebones in comparison.
>>68243388
I was going to say that it was on NWA and the Posse, which came out in 1987, but I checked the version I had and it was the reissue which indeed came out in 1989. You're definitely right, so now I just wish that Cube wrote it in time for the album's release, same thing with the Express Yourself extended mix; it sounds a lot "harder" and overall better imo.

>>68243070
I know Eminem was massively popular in the late 90s and 2000s but I don't really hear his influence that much.

>>68240600
never mind the bollocks is fantastic

>>68243654
I always enjoy it when someone can take my thoughts and but them in a way with actual facts.

>>68242236
Your idea of good punk rock is probably some tattooed American meathead screaming about how the system doesn't understand him.

>>68240600
>Anything by the Byrds
delet this

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>>68240948
You're wrong on so many levels.
Have you even listened to it?

>>68244091
Thanks man, glad to be of service. Also, I just looked up the Amen Break again, it's actually been sampled 2,239 times. What the actual fuck.

>>68243735
There are white rappers now. There are rap songs that went mainstream now. There have been rappers that didn't come from violent neighborhoods that became successful. There were rappers who rapped about being crazy

>>68240600
>Anything by Sonic Youth or Velvet Underground
as much as I love these bands, I have to agree

>>68241277
nah
1/4 of a century later it's still pretty much the [or at least one of the very] best of it's genre

>>68242522
Nirvana is better than most of the stuff they influenced
Post-Grunge was fucking terrible

>>68240552
no
>>68240600
only agree on nevermind the bollocks
>>68240897
fuck no
>>68240948
FUCK no
>>68241003
hm maybe
>>68241046
no
>>68241277
jesus christ
>>68241837
no
>>68241860
as good as it is influential
>>68241992
NO
>>68242236
idk if this is that influential but if you're implying this album isn't good you might as well kill yourself you "m-muh real punk!!!" retard
>>68242925
what this guy >>68242975 said
>>68243070
not good nor that influential

>>68243263
Because it is very good

>>68243263
fuck off
>>68245288
this

>>68241003

Came here to post this. Important yes. Great album? No.

Anything by Can

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>in before, I love this album.
At least I accept it.

>>68240897
I cam here to post this. I understand Revolver's sound would have been legendary for it's time, but it sounds incredibly fairweather now.

>>68240897
yes
>>68240948
hell yes
>>68241003
hell yes
>>68241046
nah
>>68241277
fuck you
>>68241860
no
>>68241992
no
>>68242236
yes
>>68242925
shit album shit influence
>>68243070
shit album shit influence
>>68243263
because its still good

>>68245996
word, and you can add Graduation

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>>68241277
>nothing else sounds like loveless
>wtf are you talking about

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>Pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

>>68245996
This by far. I may hate it with a firey passion but I have to give it this: It DID inspire Drake

(Who did the schtick a lot better than Kanye did)

>>68246151
>I'm not quoting anybody

>>68246214
The implication is that MBV inspired a wave of bands that sounds like them. But....what other band sounds like what's shown on Loveless? Legit, wtf are you talking about? What bands are you referring to?

>>68241992
Red is garbage compared to Larks Tongue is Aspis, Starless and ITCOCK.

>>68245067
>There are white rappers now.
There were white rappers in a group called The Beastie Boys before Eminem.
>There are rap songs that went mainstream now.
There was a group called Run-DMC that played Live Aid and wrote a song about their adidas before Eminem. Hip-hop was mainstream long before Eminem came on the scene.
>There have been rappers that didn't come from violent neighborhoods that became successful. Eminem's not one of them, you can't read even a two sentence biography about him that doesn't mention his being raised in Detriot.
>There were rappers who rapped about being crazy
Biggie rapped about suicidal thoughts all the time when he was alive.

>>68246581
I'm not that guy I was just showing your incorrect use of the green text, since you didn't get it you must be pretty new here

>>68240897
No way bro

>>68240948
>>68241860
You know, I can sort of agree.

>>68241992
Nah, no way. And I actually like ITWOP

>>68242925
I don't like the album but I have no idea who got influenced by it either, what do?

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>>68240552
Here's a few

>>68248550
#shotsfired