/classical/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Wcg6FZyHA

Is there a better piece of music than Chopin - Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2 in E flat major?

>>68194006
when will this meme die?

what is your favorite mahler lads? Im just getting into him. I've really enjoyed 1 and 5

Rip nevil marner

>>68194108
>mahler

When will this meme die?

Favorite schubert, lads?

you cannot find a more beautiful cello piece than that

https://soundcloud.com/airbornmartin/giovanni-sollima-terra-aria-airborns-percussive-dub

>>68194265
why butcher it with the percussion though

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>>68193784


>>68146125
LAST WEEK'S THEME: 20th Century
COMPILED BY: First timer


NEXT WEEK'S THEME: 19th Century
COMPILED BY: First timer

http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/eSGfznaY/file.html

>not marriner edition

kill you'reself

>>68194108
DLVDE
Symphony 4
Des Knaben Wunderhorn

Don't get the hype over 2 though, the good bit only comes after sitting through 40 minutes of extremely boring stuff.

how do i into wagner? is he worth listening to beyond the meme overtures and preludes?

>>68194763

Yes.

Just go for the Ring cycle. If it's not for you, then Wagner probably isn't for you.

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Guys, that was kinda disappointing.

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>>68194569
This.
What is your favorite recording of his /classical/?
>>68194763
Yes. Listen to Tristan and ignore >>68194875
He's a faggot.
>>68194952
Try a different recording, the performers there are old and far past their prime.

>>68195369

Tristan is great but I honestly believe that if you can't sit through the Ring cycle at least once then there's not point 'attempting' Wagner. The most difficult thing about it is setting time aside to watch it since people don't often have the attention span if they're just watching a recording (as opposed to a live performance).

Sure you can watch Tristan, Parsifal or Meistersingers if you want mature Wagner in a slightly more bitesize (if you can use the expression when speaking about Dicky W.) sample, or else Tannhauser, Lohengrin or Hollander if you want early Wagner.

Or you can watch Rheingold and if you're interested in continuing, you'll likely end up doing the cycle anyway. If you decide it's not worth it then, as I say, Wagner probably isn't for you.

>>68195879

and by early period I mean the stuff that is better than 'true' early period Wagner like Rienzi

Really like the textures you can get with a cello.
One of my favorite piece is Kottos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74b2gDHLUA

>>68195879
If you want to listen to the ring it's better to just break it up over a course of a few days.
Wagner himself didn't expect anyone to marathon through all ~14-16 hours of it.

>>68196101

Yeah that's what I meant. I didn't mean sit down to watch all four back to back. Maybe that wasn't clear.

Watch Rheingold. If it interests you then you'll probably watch the rest of the ring to find out what happens. If it doesn't, then I doubt you're going to watch Tristan and become madly in love with Wagner.

recs for powerful, soul-crushing vocal works?

>>68197828

Give me an example so I know what you mean

>>68197883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbvKDxT6vQQ

>>68197953
I know the first two, but will check the rest, thank you.

>>68194763
I'd start with Tannhauser. Maybe his most accessible.

Can anyome rec some pieces that features melodic/haunting/beautiful music? Something accesible. I'd glad if anyone could name a few, I'm new to classical. Thanks in advance.

>>68198361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZREV7Zx9PE

>>68198432
Rly? I'd say that's Parsifal. Tannhauser is filled with lots of exciting music (especially at the start), it deals with immediately relatable themes, and it's only 3 hours long, which is short for Wagner.

>>68198604
Stop listening to slow conductors.

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Reminder to join the dubtrack room if you want to share pieces and listen together:

https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/classical-music-from-medieval-to-contemporary

>>68198654
Well, I've only seen it once, but it's pretty slow, and probably Wagner's weirdest opera (not even sure it should be called an opera). It's one of the most moving musical experiences I've ever had, though.

>>68198073
>Bach
Passions
B Minor Mass
Easter/Christmas/Ascension Oratorios
Lots of cantatas that I can't be bothered to list at the moment. Just listen to one every Sunday (corresponding to the Lutheran church calendar) and have a good time
>Barber
Prayers of Kierkegaard
>Bartok
Cantata Profana
>Beethoven
Missa Solemnis
9th Symphony
>Berlioz
Requiem
>Biber
Missa Bruxellensis
>Brahms
German Requiem
Begrabnisgesang
Gesang des Parzen
>Brian
Gothic Symphony (part 2 involves the choir)
>Britten
War Requiem
>Bruckner
Te Deum
>Cherubini
Requiem (C Minor)
>Gorecki
Symphony of Sorrowful Songs (bit of a meme but it's popular because it's soul-crushing and powerful. Or something)
>Handel
Dixit Dominus
>Haydn
Missa in Angustiis
Missa in Tempore Belli
>Humfrey
O Lord My God
>Liszt
Christus
Via Crucis
>Macmillan
St John Passion
St Luke Passion
Seven Last Words from the Cross
>Mozart
Requiem
>Penderecki
Symphony 7
Hymne an den Heiligen Adalbert
>Pergolesi
Stabat Mater
>Poulenc
Stabat Mater
>Purcell
Funeral Music for Queen Mary
>Rachmaninoff
All-Night Vigil
The Bells
>Schmidt
The Book with Seven Seals
>Schoenberg
Gurrelieder
>Shostakovich
Symphony 14
>Sibelius
Kullervo
>Stravinsky
Oedipus Rex
Symphony of Psalms
>Szymanowski
Stabat Mater
>Tavener
Song for Athene
God is with Us
All-Night Vigil (Veil of the Temple)
Annunciation
Funeral Canticle
>Vaughan Williams
Sea Symphony
O Lord Thou Hast Been Our Refuge
Flos Campi
The Pilgrim's Progress
>Verdi
Requiem
>Vierne
Messe Solenelle

There's a start for (mostly) choral stuff. Solo stuff is another question.

>>68193784
>Cello edition
You damn right, motherfuckers.

Gimme your best cello concerto, /mu/. Show me what you think you got.

>>68198902
A few days ago. I watched the Horst Stein version on DVD.

>>68198654
It's all about cleansing of Christ from sinful Jewish blood, and timpani's "sound of annihilation" in Act 3 embodies the annihilation of all Jews.

>>68198604

Wagner had originally wanted it to be for the working man. He would build a theatre, set etc. Sell cheap tickets to workers who would come to see the cycle and then burn down the theatre with all the sets/props as well as the music+libretto. The political philosophy of the Ring is pretty fascinating really.

>>68198949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G24zgqUEqoI

What are some essential classical organ pieces?

I've gone through a lot of Bach. What else?

>>68199172
Franck, Grigny, Vierne, and Messiaen

Pretty much the French desu

>>68199205
Oh, I've listened to a lot of Vierne, too.

I've listened to Messiaen, but not much organ stuff. Will do, along with the others you suggested.

>>68199172
mendelssohn, reger, buxtehude, bruhns

>>68199205
add durufle, karg-elert to the neo-impressionist composers.

is widor meme yet?

>>68199172
I've already posted one long list of pieces so here's a pastebin to avoid more of the same. Not 'essential' by any means (and performances grabbed mostly at random from what I could find on youtube) but it's got stuff by a lot of the important organ composers.

http://pastebin.com/gq7Tt0Ts

>>68199323
>is widor meme yet?
I like his organ stuff.

>>68199287
I really really hate you.

>>68199428
I know, just that his F maj. Toccata is kinda like the moonshine sonata III mvt. of organ pieces.

>>68199419
Thanks, anon.

>>68199042

I'm trying to remember where I read it, but I did encounter somebody arguing that that Kundry's fate at the end of Parsifal (i.e. she dies, but is no longer under the curse of being a cunning Jewish jezebel controlled by Klingsor) is wholly incompatible with the Nazi antisemitism with which Wagner is often associated.

Really wish I could remember where I read it because it was an interesting argument. Definitely wasn't Adorno or Shaw, but those are the only two books on Wagner I've read recently.

http://www.rogerscruton.com/about/music/understanding-music/181-nietzsche-on-wagner

This essay steadily goes from a strong stoic neutral opening to a complete disaster of a finale. Music is great for revealing how healthy or sick a thinker is.

>>68199759
Selective theology isn't interesting to me. We know what Cosima thought. We know what Wagner thought. A fragment from a work doesn't overturn this.

would wagner vote for trump y/n

>>68199172
Brahms and Buxtehude.

>>68199960
No, you don't do justice to his era if you think it can be transplanted onto our times. Anti-Semitism was common enough among the 'left-wing' then. It's probably an injustice to call Wagner a political-party person at all, he was a Parisian artistic rebel. His equivalents today are people who are too strong to care about political garbage like Trump/Clinton.

None of this implies Wagner was a good person or musician.

>>68200107
>His equivalents today are people who are too strong to care about political garbage like Trump/Clinton.
Lol. Yes. "Strong" people don't care at all about "political garbage" like the future of humanity.

>>68200144
Please fuck off back to /pol/

>>68200144
And here we are talking about Wagner instead of the pseudo-strongman politicians of his time. Fuck off back to /pol/ like the other anon said.

And no, I'm not using /pol/ as 'le right-wing are idiots' meme, I'm telling you that it is literally the place to discuss the low culture garbage that is mainstream politics for this website.

>>68199857

>In dealing with Wagner's anti-Semitism, we should always bear in mind that the opposition of German true spirit versus Jewish principle is not the original one: there is a third term, modernity, the reign of exchange, of the dissolution of organic bonds, of modern industry and individuality [...] Wagner's attitude towards modernity is not simply negative but much more ambiguous: he wants to enjoy its fruits, while avoiding its disintegrative effects - in short, Wagner wants to have his cake and eat it. For that reason, he needs a Jew: so that, first, modernity - this abstract, impersonal process - is given a human face, is identified with a concrete, palpable feature; then, in a second move, by rejecting the Jew which gives body to all that is disintegrated in modernity, we can retain its advantages. In short, anti-Semitism does not stand for anti-modernism as such, but for an attempt at combining modernity with social corporatism which is characteristic of conservative revolutionaries.
>And what about the final call of the Chorus 'Redeem the Redeemer!', which some read as the anti-Semitic statement 'redeem/save Christ from the clutches of the Jewish tradition, de-Semitize him'? What if we read this line more literally, as echoing the other 'tautological' statement from the finale, 'the wound can be healed only by the spear which smote it'? Is this not the key paradox of every revolutionary process, in the course of which not only is violence needed to overcome the existing violence, but the revolution, in order to stabilize itself into a New Order, has to eat its own children?

Really makes you think

>>68200184
Why do you think I'm from /pol/? I'm voting for Jill Stein, btw.

>>68200247
Would he vote for Trump tho. His politics are relevant to his music.

>>68193784

facts.

>>68194108
Everything of his is enjoyable except the 7th symphony, in my opinion.

>>68194203
The two final Piano Trios, last three Sonatas, Quintet, late lieder, etc. Usual Chamber music suspects.

Weirdly enough I don't really like his 9th Symphony like I used to.

>>68200282
No, because he wasn't a United States citizen.

>>68200282
>>68199960
No. For one, the aristocratic/royal patronage of the arts is gone. How would Wagner get funding?

Trump would gut orchestras and the arts. Trump doesn't give a shit about that stuff. Also, Trump's an idiot, and Wagner was a lot more intelligent than to follow someone like this.

>>68194203

Going through his lieder and the moment and discovering some nice stuff.
D852 (and 875A); D193; D737; D770; D853; D882; D800; D756; D843; D902; D932

Favourite of the song cycles is probably Schwanengesang, but I'd imagine I'll be listening to a lot of Winterreise in the coming month.
Der Hirt auf dem Felsen is one of the best things Schubert wrote.
D930 is quite charming
Symphony 9 is definitely in my top 10 favourite symphonies, if not my top 5
Haven't listened to enough of his string quartets to have much of an opinion beyond I quite like Death and the Maiden
Piano Trio no. 2 obviously
Arpeggione Sonata
F minor fantasia for four hands
D960; D760

>>68201024
When CLT does

>>68193784
im not a cellist but, looking across the orchestra from the violin sections. the way theyre able to jump across the fingerboard.. its pretty remarkable.

>>68200476
Ah, that makes sense.

>>68201105
The cello has one of the widest ranges of any instrument, and they often make full use of it.

It also has the privilege of being the greatest soloist instrument for that reason. A cello can speak in any voice worth using.

Smetana's Vhyserad tho, holy shit

>>68201769
The probably means after the piano.

>>68201794
*harpsichord

>>68201851
>two skeletons copulating on a tin roof in a thunderstorm

>>68201794
*organ

I am unironically a Mahlerian.

>>68202354
what's wrong with Mahler

>>68202405
Wagnerian aesthetics.

>>68202405
Nothing, hence my being a Mahlerian unironically.

>>68202458
what's wrong with Wagner

>>68202479
Decadence, as described here >>68199857

>Thus Wagner’s music is a failure in all three dimensions of musical order: melody, rhythm and harmony. And the failure stems from the adverse use of music, to inflate the sentiments attached to scenes and characters that do not really contain them. To put the point directly: the defects of form stem from defects of content. Because the content is faked, so is the form.

>>68202479
Anti-semitism

post float-y piano music that sounds like God is talking to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=944OIY1F5fg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzYF6kfi2BM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULDLz-WUxM

>>68202797
Nietzsche was just mad that Wagner wouldn't fuck his boi pucci

>>68203002
coudln't select both options, didn't vote

>>68202972
The article explores that (although curtly).
>>68202985
The article explores that.

>>68202985
>Nietzsche was a hack philosopher
now 4chan hates on nietzsche?

What was the greatest use of classical music in video games?

My vote goes for Civilization 4 (especially the modern era).

>>68202797
Personally I've never felt as if the sentiments of his music or scripts were over-inflated or exaggerated to the point where it feels 'faked'.

The only thing that really felt closest to that were some of the eye-rolling and forced re-cap scenes that parts of the Ring had.

>>68203230
kys

>>68202896
Decaux's la mer from clairs de lune
scriabin poeme op 32 no 1 or op 17 no 3, sonata 2 (you probably know these)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNTxhXTrDl0&t=2m44s
John ireland decorations
frank bridge dew fairy or sunset
urmas sisask op 24 sonata for 4 hands
sabaneyev op 1 no 2
emmanuel's 2nd sonatine , 3rd sonatine mov 1 and 2, 5 mov 3 and 5,

>>68203256
>civ 4
I turned off the ingame music once I started to get sick of Beethoven's 6th.

>>68203256
Well discussion of those sentiments is beyond /mu/ (although they are challenged in the article), as Wagner's thing was a 'total art'. But what about the musical elements? 'Endless melody', 'floating rhythms', disingenuous harmony are associated with physical repulsion or sickness. Wagner's usage of each contradicts the established idea of what is pleasant and fluent, without justification. In fact, since they arise and complement physical processes, they shouldn't even need rational justification:
>Music is not a conceptual idiom. All attempts to assimilate the organisation of music to the organisation that we know from language are, it seems to me, doomed.[13] We understand music by moving with it, and what we understand is not a thought but a ‘field of sympathy’ into which we are inducted by the music as we are inducted into a ritual by the gestures of a priest. Dance is the primary form of this collective movement, and dance has a place in religious ritual for that very reason. If there is corruption in the music of Wagner it must be found, therefore, in the musical movement. In this Nietzsche is right; and he is right to question the melodic, rhythmic and harmonic organisation of the Wagnerian idiom in those terms. What kind of human being is it, that the listener is invited to ‘move with’ in this music? In surrendering to this movement am I surrendering something of myself that I should be withholding?

>>68203327
>>68203399
It's still a good question, faggots. Sure, finding something meaningful in video games is like searching for a needle in a haystack (almost every single video game ever made is dumbed-down nonsense for children or mandchildren), but it doesn't make sense to not even acknowledge that there is something meaningful there.

>>68203949
shut up

>>68203230
Tetris.

>>68203919
Interesting you bring up repulsion or sickness, since, supposedly, Wagner was purported to have composed after his numerous migraines. Siegfried in particular is supposed to be indicative of this. Though personally I have never made the connection until I had read about it.

Apparently his migraines were so numerous and crippling to his art, that he felt the need to implement it in some form in regards to his music.

>The first scene of act 1 of the opera Siegfried provides an extraordinary concise and strikingly vivid headache episode. The music begins with a pulsatile thumping, first in the background, then gradually becoming more intense. This rises to become a directly tangible almost painful pulsation. While the listener experiences this frightening headache sensation, Mime is seen pounding with his hammer, creating the acoustic trigger for the musically induced throbbing, painful perception. At the climax, Mime cries out: “Compulsive plague!” “Pain without end!”

>>68204496
Wow, interesting.

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Well, this is certainly weird. I can't say I'm very "in-the-know" in regards to period performances, but I do like Staier.

Has anyone heard his recent release? The Scherzando from D. 929 is played in a way I've never heard before, utilizing additional instrument ornamentation in what sounds like a tambourine and some other instrument I can't really make out. Weirdly enough it doesn't appear to have a credit for this at all, as it only lists the pianist, the violinist, and the cellist.

Here's an excerpt:
https://a.uguu.se/feHQOLfXmPN3.mp3
Can anyone identify the additional instruments being utilized?

>>68205067
:(

>>68202985
Nietzsche was a poet and the herald of the 20th century.
Ascribing such a filthy word as 'philosopher' to him is vile.

Is Domenico Scarlatti elite?

>>68195879
>watching
Nice meme. I'm hearing my Wagner with a text translation companion ONLY

>>68199055
> and then burn down the theatre with all the sets/props as well as the music+libretto.
What would be the point of this?

>>68202819
That has nothing to do with music though

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i'll sound like a pleb but can someone recommend me classical pieces similar to the soundtrack of harry potter movies?

>inb4 back to /tv/

>>68206451
You might enjoy the music of such feted composers as John Williams and Hans Zimmer

>>68206451
Mahler, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Martinu symphonies.

>>68206451
Gustav Holst's The Planets, paritcularly Mars and Jupiter

>>68206646
thanks, what symphonies in particular?

>>68206701
All of them really.

>>68206451
Prokofiev's Lieutenant Kije suite has moments that are somewhat similar

>all those deleted shitposts from just one person
Wew buddy.

>>68206801
mods = gods

>>68206701
Mahler 1, 2, 5, 6
Shostakovich 7, 11, 12
Prokofiev Alexander Nevsky and Lieutenant Kije Suites
Martinu 1 and 4 Symphonies, double concerto for piano and timpani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvXhyldUko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1j_K752Wac
There's a bit of background on Shostakovich in this one too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9lo9ZDYuDU

>>68206858
It's cool how they have a button that can just mass delete your posts like that. I dont' even mind that it's happened to me before.

>>68206892
I've only seen it a few other times, usually they do it when there's so much shitposting from 1 IP that it's easier to just delete it all.

>>68206883
>Shostakovich 7 and 12

Top fucking tier.

>>68207161
Not huge on Shostakovich but personally I think 10 and 14 are where it's at

,

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Interesting hearing a baritone taking the place of the alto in this work. I might even slightly prefer it.

I'm never going to listen to Shostakovich again.

>>68209597
But anon, Shostakovich did nothing wrong.

It's your fault if you have shit taste

>>68209597
The more I listen to Shostakovich the less impressed I am desu -- except for his string quartets.

How do i even review classical music?

>>68210531
You have to have extensive knowledge of music theory and history in order to do that

someone rec me something i probably havent heard

>>68210638
'thoven 5

>>68210658
xD

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>>68193784
>cello
>best
Close but no cigarette.

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>>68194569
>Marriner dies
>now the living walking breathing meme Joshua Bell is the conductor
STOP IT
STOP IT RIGHT NOOOOOOWWWWW

>>68210638
https://youtu.be/q1E7ixkKFCc?t=178

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>>68210743
>Marriner is kill
>Hogwood is kill
>Leonhardt is kill
>Harnoncourt is kill
Well I guess we all know who won the authenticity wars now.

>>68211138
He's substantially younger than most of those, not a fair comparison

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>>68211138
Turns out that they were all playing on period bodies when big Dick T. was using the modern+improved version

>>68211138
Who are the best HIP memes?

>>68205032

Very odd. Doesn't seem like there have been many reviews yet so nobody commenting on it, but that is very strange.

>>68211802
I don't dislike it at all, but I would like to know the rationale behind it. Given that Staier is quite the HIPster, I'm sure there has to be some good reason for it.

But, yes. No reviews just yet. Except for the utterly worthless Guardian review which barely says anything about the music at all except the usual buzzwords, and, for the most part, just repeats what the album summary is on the back cover.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/02/schubert-piano-trios-op-99-and-100-review-staier-sepec-dieltiens

>>68211958
Who cares what the grauniad has to say about anything? LOL.

>>68205032
>>68211958
What does the score say?

>>68212045
Well it certianly doesn't call for anything other than a violin, cello, and piano.

>>68211958

Yeah I didn't realise how awful that 'review' was until I went and reread it. It has half a sentence about the actual recording, the rest is just telling you stuff about the score. I almost suspect the reviewer didn't bother listening to it.

Anyway, I made an account to make a provocative comment so we'll see if we get a response.

>>68212218
I would upboat you but I don't feel like making an account

>>68205032
After listening to a couple other recordings, this one actually sounds better with the extra punch added by the percussion at the sforzandi. The others sound a little dead in comparison, so maybe that's the reason.

>>68193784
>Cello
I think you meant Eb Contralto clarinet

I love Viola da gamba. What do I listen to?

>>68212647
Renaissance and Baroque music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0shs5JRaQN4

ded

rotting

skeleton

Rehearsed a piece for SATB, string orchestra and electronics yesterday. Interesting stuff

>>68193784
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.

Can someone post the chart, please?

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>>68209669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7BsVeZZmhk

Is there a better piano trio /mu/?

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>>68216947

>>68217020

Cool. Thanks!

>>68211138
>all competitors die after one another
This really makes you think.

>having to explain to your flatmates that you weren't watching porn with the volume turned up but were actually listening to Berio's "Visage"

>>68212647
viola da gamba

>>68216967
the story of shostakovichs life is almost as amazing and interesting as his music.
great taste.

im glad everyone in these threads is more receptive to 20th century composers now. i remember like a year ago trying to discuss ives and shostakovich here and getting all kinds of nastiness and negative opinions.

>>68218607

What is your opinion on Testimony?

>>68209669
>>68209597
thats too bad anon. you really are missing out. the man wrote a wide variety of pieces, in all kinds of different styles and tonalities. perhaps you just havent heard the right stuff yet.

mem

>>68211138
it's an anti-HIP conspiracy

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Hey stopping to say that English tenor Thomas Round died yesterday at the age of 100.

Tom was very active in the D'Oyly Carte opera company as well as the rest of the opera and gilbert and sullivan world for much of his life.

He died at the age of 100, his 101st birthday was coming up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjSfUisPFWM

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Anyone got any recs for powerful and/or dramatic waltzes and other dances?

The sort of stuff I'm thinking of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPp3Qh-GRqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r30D3SW4OVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I

Got a free ticket to an open rehersal of Mahlers 6th symphony conducted by Rattle should I skip work and go?

>>68218607
That's because most of the trips that dumbass anons used to listen to were complete faggots and recommended awful shitty obscure Baroque and classical composers

SDF is probably the most based, I wish CLT would come back though. Calcium is a hit or miss

>>68221240
Go for it. It's a pretty difficult work to conduct, apparently. Should be interesting.

>>68221268
Cal is funny.

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Do any of you have any guilty pleasures outside of Classical?

Is this a good entry level piano? I have a keyboard and hate that damn thing but I don't want to save up for something that's $10k

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003AOULM0/ref=twister_B01E4H6QWK?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

It's the Yamaha Arius YDP-V240 if don't want to open the link.

>>68221315
You can get an actual used piano for the same price you know?

>>68221338

I thought you should always avoid most used pianos.

Can you give me a resource to look for some?

>>68212647
Abel, Hume, Locke, Sante Colombe, Marais, Telemann, etc

>>68220966

Imagine spending most of your life involved with G&S. Don't think I'd wish that on anyone

>>68221410
>I thought you should always avoid most used pianos.
Where did you read this? Used pianos can be perfectly fine. Just play it, and make sure each key works, and check that it's reasonably in-tune (of course, you'll need a tuner, but if a key is incredibly out-of-tune, it might be a red flag that it will never keep its tune).

People give away perfectly good used pianos for free all the time. Even an old spinet will be better than any digital piano.