/classical/

>>68151008
Got a link for this piece? i've never heard it.

Also I'm convinced Carmignola does the best interpretation of Bach's violin concertos

Reminder to join the dubtrack room (if you want):

https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/classical-music-from-medieval-to-contemporary

https://sonostream.tv/live/donnerstag-aus-licht-2016-10-01
theres going to be a livestream of Stockhausen's "Donnerstag aus Licht" tomorrow
hopefully we'll get a livestream thread going here

https://youtu.be/M1Us-8qkYE4
U N D E R R A T E

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07wrlbt

Might need a proxy if you're not a britbong, but that was a broadcast of Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex from last night, conducted by Salonen. Worth a listen

>>68151279
Oh yeah saw this was happening.

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What pieces of music are best for listening in the Autumn?

For me it's Chopin's Nocturnes, and for early autumn like it is right now it's Debussy and Satie, but I'm new to classical music, just started getting more into it.

>>68151557
scriabin

>>68151632
Something in particular?

>>68151557

Went through my library and wrote down anything that seemed 'right' when I thought of Autumn

Alkan - Op. 31
Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle, Hungarian Sketches
Selected Beethoven piano sonatas
Berio - Folk Songs
Berlioz - Harold in Italy
Brahms - Clarinet Trio+Quintet
Britten - Suite on English Folk Tunes, On This Island, Peter Grimes, English+Scottish folk song settings
Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad
Faure - Pellease et Melisande, Quartets 1+2, Quintet
Finzi - Clarinet Concerto
Ives - Concord Sonata
Janacek - On an Overgrown Path, Sonata 1.X.1905, String Quartet #1
Mahler - Des Knaben Wunderhorn
Mendelssohn - Symphony #3, Hebrides Overture
Prokofiev - Piano Concerto #2
Rachmaninoff - All-Night Vigil
Saint-Saens - Piano Trio #2
Schoenberg - Gurrelieder, String Quartet #2
Schubert - Schwanengesang, Piano Trio #2,
Schumann - Kinderszenen, Leiderkreis
Sibelius - Kullervo, Symphony 1
Strauss - Ein Heldenleben
Szymanowski - Symphony no. 3
Vaughan Williams - Vagabond

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>>68146125 →
>>68146125 →
LAST WEEK'S THEME: 20th Century
COMPILED BY: First timer


NEXT WEEK'S THEME: 19th Century
COMPILED BY: First timer

http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/eSGfznaY/file.html

>>68152202

Yeah thought the last one was Part, it started off sounding like one of those nu-tonalist memesters but stayed dissonant longer than they would have allowed.

Thought the Marinetti was good too.

>>68151123
I've yet to hear a violinist that does those pieces terribly desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwQSWTw71U

>>68152149
Thanks, I'll get Szymanowski's Symphony 2 and 3 and the Prokofiev's concerts.

Anyone in my family that dares to play Mozart around me gets their ass kicked. They'll learn good taste one way or another.

>>68151008
Handel > Bach.

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who /vocal music/ here?
what else would you guys rec based on this, i don't want to miss out on trying anything considered "essential"
i mean other than that i kill myself

>>68153819
>vocal music

this thread is for serious music only, if you want to talk about that pop shite go back to /daily/

Fucking hell debussy is boring

>>68154180
>yfw this majority of classical music is vocal music

>>68153819
Beethoven's missa solemnis

>>68155227
Gielen has a pretty great live recording of that.

meme bump

Tempted to watch an opera now that I've got an extra 3 hours I didn't expect to have

>>68153819
Jean Francaix - L'Apocalypse selon St-Jean
Brahms- Eine Deutsches Requiem (Gardiner)

>>68156637
>opera

not music

>>68157082
>Gardiner
Go to bed CLT

>>68156637
Watch John Adams' "Nixon in China"

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to get back on topic, can anyone recommend operas approaching Wagner in either scale, style or sound? I'm in love with every second of the Ring cycle, especially the parts concerning Siegfried

>>68157307
>minimalism
>Adams
>ever

>>68157329
wew

"Nixon in China" isn't even minimalist (as if there's anything wrong with minimalism in the first place).

>>68157311

Verdi from Rigoletto onwards is generally pretty great. The only other opera-cycle I can think of is Stockhausen's Licht, which is very different to Wagner.

Strauss' operas are pretty interesting too

>>68157393
Minimalism is a mask for a composer's lack of ideas

>>68157307

Not a huge fan really.

Went for Jenufa in the end

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>>68151008
God tier serialism coming through.

>>68157444
trips of truth

>>68157444
"A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."

- Antoine de Saint-Exupry

>>68157630
what a gay quote. an art form isn't analogous to any other, dummy. different rules apply

>>68157630
But that's just wrong

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>>68151008
what does /mu/ think of this album?

>>68157630
blatant lie

>>68157749
Why is it wrong?

>>68157674
I think it very much applies to music. Why do you think it doesn't?

>>68157674
>>68157749
>>68157801
samefag

>>68157812
It's ridiculous, there are many stages in composition where there is "nothing left to take away"

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>>68157813
ok mister

>>68157878
Yeah, ok. Nice shoop, buddy.

>>68157812
the statement doesn't apply to any artform in fact, it's complete bullshit in every single way

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this is an amateur album based on the Cantery Tales

https://chaucerianmyth.bandcamp.com/releases

>>68157851
So then is 4'33 the ultimate piece?

>>68157851
Of course. So, at each one of those stages, you decide what you need to take away.

>>68158002
fool
>>68158021
You make it sound like it's basic classical songwriting instead of the retardation of repeating the same phrase for 5 minutes like most minimalism is, actually you'd be lucky if it was only for 5 minutes instead of an hour

>>68158114
>repeating the same phrase for 5 minutes like most minimalism is
Pleb detected.

>>68158171
you're always free to prove me wrong

>>68158114
Yeah, but what if that phrase is just so good that you want to hear it for an hour (I'm being facetious, of course)

>>68158274
It's about subtlety. Simple repetition is bad, I agree. But if there are subtle changes made with each repetition, the brain assigns great meaning to them. This makes the piece interesting (as long as one can open his mind enough to pick out these subtleties in the first place).

This is one of my favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLckHHc25ww

>>68157082
>Jean Francaix - L'Apocalypse selon St-Jean
this is the only thing rec'd i haven't heard already. any particular recording you recommend?

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Is there a better Shakespeare related composition?

>>68158502
Christian Simonis's conducting is flawless

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post /medieval/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgct1STzmQQ

Question time:

What is your favorite solo instrument work that is not for keyboard?

>>68162208
Any answer besides Bach's 2nd violin partita is wrong,

bumping

can anyome name few other works that sound as Satie's Gymnopedies?
I love that quiet piano melody.

What're you listening to for 4chan's birthday /classical/?

>>68164363
Water walk

I'll never trust /classical/ after being recommended berezovsky's Liszt but you clowns.

>>68153819
You should get into completely vocal music. Renaissance polyphony etc.

Based on your list I recommend Pergolesi' and Scarlatti's Stabat Maters, Bach Mass in B minor, and Mozart Mass in C minor.

Then go back to the Renaissance - Palestrina, Lassus, Tallis, Victoria, Morales, Taverner, Fayrfax, Gesualdo, etc.

>>68162208
The Bach sonatas and partitas for solo violin have a special place in my heart

>>68153819
>wagnuh
i rec suicide

>>68152149
>Sonata 1.X.1905
Have you heard de Leeuw's arrangment of that? It's pretty great.

>>68151123
>tfw his Vivaldi
I'd bear Camignola's children desu

Ded

>>68166263

No, I'll have a look
>tfw no third movement because Janacek was a big silly

>>68164363
In the mood for Vaughan Williams today for some reason

>>68164363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc

>>68170134
can someone explain this meme please

I don't like vocal music but I want to learn to appreciate it. I don't consider human voice(s) to be a very pleasant sounding instrument.

are there any recordings of Renaissance, Baroque, Choral, Church Music etc works which were originally vocal but instead played on instruments?

Why is Chopin such a fucking hack? I literally don't seen the appeal, he has like 2 decent songs and the rest give me headaches.

>>68170977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Wcg6FZyHA

Is there a better piece of music than Chopin - Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2 in E flat major?

>>68170996
Anything by Listz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOJTan9qkVw

>>68171100
Jesus christ that's a terrible performance, I just grabbed the first YT video without thinking about it

>>68170975
You will never appreciate vocal music if you dont like the sound of the human voice. try again in 5 years time.

>>68170975
Rognoni transcribed one of Palestrina's madrigals for the violin.
https://youtu.be/7wUJ-aAB-Xk

>>68170975

Do not understand this meme at all

>>68170975
bach schübler chorales

Zzzzzzz

anyone else watching this?
https://sonostream.tv/live/donnerstag-aus-licht-2016-10-01

>>68171301
>>68172027
this is how western vocal music sounds
>blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>aaaaaaaaahhh
>ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
boring

overtone singing is at least mildly interesting

>>68171330
>>68172027
thanks m8s

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is this person correct?

>>68173924
>Babbitt
He is the ultimate pleb.

Mozart is a very good composer, he makes music that make me feel things.

Petzold is a very good composer, he makes music that make me feel things.

>>68170956
>>68170956
>>68170956

>>68174085
>he still hasn't accepted Petzold as his lord and savior

embarrassing

tfw you finally get mahler

music for this feel

>>68174113
Great, now you can become an adult and graduate to Bruckner.

>>68174113
Mahler is a very good composer, he makes music that make me feel things.

>>68174170
But Bruckner is bad

>>68174170
How does it feel being an utter piece of fucking shitty refuse contraian pleb shitbag?

>>68174191
objectively false

>Mahler v. Bruckner
>Mozart v. Bach
>Petzold v. Petzold

Why do you guys keep pitting great composers against each other? Mozart isn't exactly a great composer, but you get the point.

>>68174262
>Mozart isn't exactly a great composer
wtf

>>68174262
>Mozart isn't exactly a great composer
Very very very very very very very very very funny XD

>>68174302
>Mozart posters are so insecure that they have to resort to ironic shitposting

absolutely pathetic

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>>68174262
>Mozart isn't exactly a great composer

>>68174362
I'm being serious, why so...insecure?

best version of the hammerklavier sonata?

>>68174680
Schnabel or early Kempff.

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>'He, who possessed the most profound knowledge of all the contrapuntal arts (and even artifices) understood how to make art subservient to beauty.'

People that listen to Mozart also have video game OSTs on their android phones

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Is he the GOAT?

>>68175368
>specifying android phones
Apple shill detected.

>>68175587
Sounds like a goat.

>>68176365
>being poor

>>68173924
Babbitt is shit

All American serialism is shit

Just listen to Ives, Ruggles, Seeger, and Carter if you want God-tier dissonant American music

>>68174113
>>68174170
>>68174174
>>68174191
>>68174215
Fuck off German music Post Brahms and Wagner is shit

The Last hurrah of the German Spirit is Schoenberg and his school

>>68177031
>German music
Neither Mahler nor Bruckner were German.
>Schoenberg and his school
Not German either.

>>68177031
Cool opinions. What are you going to do next, call me a pleb? Fucking fool.

>>68177031
retard alert

>>68177031
loosen the sweater around your neck sebastian

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>tfw too intelligent for post-Baroque music

the clavichord is better than the harpsichord btw

>>68181030
Maybe, but it's too damn quiet for real performance use.

>>68173800
Just keep away from vocal music, you aren't worthy.

>>68174191
Compared to Mahler, yes.

>>68179694
...but too dumb for 20th century music...

>>68182421
Kill yourself.

>>68182421
>20th century music

do you mean sound art? 20th century "music" isn't music

>>68182901
t. sub 40 iq babby

>>68182910
Not an argument.

>>68182901
Come back when you actually know something about 20th century music lol

Rattle's "leaving home" documentary and Ross' "the rest is noise" are good starting points.

>>68182992
20th century music is a meme; you can keep it.

>>68183066
>meme
yep, its non-genetic information passed from person to person.
astute observation.

>>68183066
It's objectively the best period. I suppose it's your loss if you're too stupid to understand it.

>>68183165
k

What's your deepest darkest secret /classical/?

Mine: I kinda like Tchaikovsky

>>68183248
I sometimes listen to Bach.

I know, I know. I always listen to some Mozart afterwards though, to cleanse myself.

>>68183248
I lambaste Bach but he's actually my favorite composer.

>He doesn't like 20th century music
Its not all Schoenberg and Serialism you know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbncXDimwbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610xovNQU-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1j_K752Wac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw

>>68183277
>Mozart

plebeian

>>68183248
Tchaikovsky is based though. Only plebs who dismiss popular composers purely because they are popular have a problem with Tchaikovsky

>>68183329
every popular composer is bad or overrated besides Bach

>>68183457
Bach isn't really *that* popular though. not compared to Beethoven or Mozart. Bach is more of a musicians composer.
Either way you're one of those plebs who dismisses composers purely because they're popular.

>>68183548
>Either way you're one of those plebs who dismisses composers purely because they're popular
[citation needed]

>>68183248
I like Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin, and Mussorgsky all better, but I'm a sucker for the Violin Concerto, String Sextet, and The Nutcracker

Maybe its just nostalgia, but I'm always happy when I listen to his ballets during Christmas time

Russian music in general is comfy Winter music

>>68182992
>The Rest is Noise
lol

>>68177082
Austria is the worst forced meme of the 19th Century.

>>68183905
Austrians are just Germanic Jews in general, they plot, subvert, and destroy and they get Big Brother Germany to pay for all of it in the end

Bach, Not Mozart
Beethoven, Not Haydn
Brahms, Not Schubert

>>68183961
>Bach, Not Mozart
Plebeian.

>>68183979
Mozart was an Austrian Jew, you wouldn't listen to a subersive Mountain Jew over a Honest German would you?

>>68184021
>listening to music made by a Lutheran
Disgusting.

>>68184062
>listening to music made by a Jewish influenced mason

Bach was a humble, God-fearing man, Mozart was a Satan lover

>>68184094
>God-fearing man
>complete glutton
Pick one.

>>68184128
I pick Both

also

>Mozart
>Catholic

>Alcoholic
>sexaholic
>scatoholic
>fagoholic

>>68184153
>calls Mozart a sexaholic
>Bach had 7 kids
>implying a God-fearing man would sin
>implying there wouldn't be less apples in the Garden of Eden if it were Bach instead of Adam
>implying Bach would even need to be convinced to eat from the tree of knowledge

J.S. was a hack, Anna Magdalena was the real genius.

>>68184256
http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008/10/did-bachs-wife-anna-magdalena-write-his-music/
Misogynist Bach-apologists will deny this.

>>68184225
>implying Bach and God wouldn't collaborate on some amazing chorales
>implying Bach didn't have sex seven times
>implying Bach wouldn't be savored and satisfied by the heavenly delights which would temper his appetite

>>68184324
Makes sense

>It doesn’t sound musically mature. It sounds like an exercise, and you have to work incredibly hard to make it sound like a piece of music.

Well we already knew that

>>68184256
>>68184324
No he stole all of his music from Petzold you retards

>>68184768
Lmao this. And the fact that Bach produced his masterpiece chaconne after his wife's death will really make these people think.

>>68151008
Who had the plumpest and most pink and puckered boipucci in all of classical music history, /classical/?

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>>68186801
Not sure about the name but this fine gentleman got to testdrive it.
Also this is out apparently.

>>68183815
see
>>68183457

Its "pleb who dismisses composers purely because they're popular" : the post

just watched the new Frank Zappa documentary and "classical music" is prominently featured.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmGQ_bvM0lQ

Why t f does Shostakovich's second cello concerto have a section with a rock 'n roll drum beat

>>68188750
here it is: https://youtu.be/de_V-k6z1Ew?t=1283

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Why the fuck did he have to die so young guys?

>>68188750
it was the 20th century

>>68188176
pity Zappa's "Classical" is awful

>>68189316
I know it was, and in the mid '60s even. I'm just wondering if he did it on purpose.

>>68189382
shitcomposing on purpose is still shitcomposing.

If set out to write unlistenable garbage, then he succeeded.

>>68189426
I just thought it was kind of silly, but I don't know if that's what inspired him.

any more music like rachmaninovs vesper chorals? and who does them best?

>>68190611
maybe check out bortniansky, chesnokov and berezovsky?

>>68190611
Yes.
The Belgians.

>>68152202
Was the discussion thread good for this?

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http://www.asmf.org/sir-neville-marriner/
RIP. What's your favorite recording of his /classical/?

>>68191343
RIP. I wonder who will go next?

>What's your favorite recording of his /classical/?
Never really listened to him that much. Heard some Mozart of his, but that's it.

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>>68151008
Is there a place where the /classical/ charts are collected?