Microtonal Music General

>>53242273
hahaha can't he hear how out of tune that shit is?
i'm laughing so fucking hard,

damn that sounds horrible

>>53242311
/thread

>>53242273
It just sounds like that nigger is out of tune.
It could be good for some uses, like a horror movie score or some dark simple melodic line, but using it like this just sounds silly.
Sounds like a beginner trying to learn a classical piece.

Sounds like what I played when I first picked up a guitar.

>>53242303
it's not out of tune it's supposed to sound like that. did you read a word of the post?

Is that how it's supposed to sound? Pretty terrible

it can sound nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1vaXBotrAI

>>53242381
>it's supposed to sound like utter shit
Ahaha ooowkay

>>53242425
>people shitting on experimental instruments just because they're not used to their sounds
welcome to the /Mu/sic board, everybody.

>>53242303
>>53242311
>>53242350
>>53242391
holy fucking shit do you guys understand anything about music

I personally find the 43-tone scale to be pretty interesting, would like to get my hands on some instruments that could do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtMAj-6fnH8

fucking love the interference patterns it makes

Mellotron.
>inb4 go to sleep Fripp

>>53242273
This is pretty interesting.

>>53242449
>>53242519

>It's different so it is immune from criticism

The piece in op vid was shit, deal with it.
If your going to use micro tones then use it well.

If anyone hasn't listened to Syzygys here they should go do so now. Know of anything similar to these guys?

I prefer it simple and this garbage sounding "guitar" is the complete oposite

do you bring this guitar up before mentioning being vegan or crossfit?

I was wondering the other day if someone had developed an instrument like this

I like putting my guitar slightly out of tune sometimes so this interests me

>>53242273
but this video sucked

>>53242416
this is better

>>53242562
nice

>>53242449
>>53242519
>Y-you just don't understand! It's experimental!
Whatever. Go listen to your obscure raga albums you tools.

>>53242610

>use them as I would like them

Nobody cares what you like, dude.

>>53242273
Neat, but what's so difficult about just bending the string? Half-step bends require very little skill as it is, quarter-steps should be even easier.

I guess it's useful if you're really into atonal shit.

>>53242665
>only my opinion matters!

>>53242689

Yes, actually. If the discussion is "things me and other people like" then "you guys shouldn't" isn't really that relevant, is it?

Daily reminder music is subjective.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDFCsCoaUO4&list=PL6ZM1USGjffqOChc0ppVbGzihu_5ugrJ0

Interesting microtonal composer

>>53242677

Precision becomes more important when dealing with microtones, since it's easier for things to become muddy. Hypothetically a perfect player could just use a fretless guitar though, yes.

>>53242677
You can also use the slider.
But the playing is obviously different, either way.

>>53242653
>2015
>not vegan
Check your carnism.

Obviously its just a technique and a different style of playing.
Don't expect it to sound good without any other context.
Expand your horizonts

>>53242273
It's a cool concept, the only problem is the way with how our ears are wired, it's just going to constantly sound out of tune. Unless someone grows up listening to microtonal music, it's just gonna sound bad.

>>53242924

Exposure changes that.

>>53242273
fucking garbage

>>53242273
sounds like shit...

>>53242952
I mean, that's the point I was trying to make. I guess it doesn't have to just be while a person is growing up.

>>53242842
>>53242952
>I'm forcing myself to make out-of-tune shit sound good.

Anything beyond a 24 tone scale is useless. It solely exists because it can

>>53242273
Out of the microtonal music I've heard, little of it is pleasing.
I know it's supposed to sound different, but like >>53242924 said, most of the time it sounds off. But that's because we're accustomed to the cannon: western 12edo.

This one is pretty good, for example. >>53242755

Since this kind of music rises new composition challenges it's normal that a good bunch of it sounds bad. If people dig into it more often I'm sure we would get some amazing music out of it.

11edo and 31edo are the ones I've enjoyed the most so far.

>>53242983

Fair enough, used to blanket hostility on this subject.

>>53242924
i can second >>53242952 you get used to it faster than you think. its not always so in your face like the OP video. something like this is pretty easy to listen to even iif you are not used to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPaDZc5aAk

>>53242273
Nice. I should check out some Haba. Having those tones on a guitar is really cool.
Unfortunately microtonal music is still in the shadows. Partch is my favorite composer, but I've found precious little music that makes use of it. The problem is that people aren't used to the sound, so even though it sound completely natural to me they'll think it 'sounds like shit lmao' because it doesn't conform to western standards.
e.g. I thought >>53242637 would be pretty accessible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA9AXvD09CM
but I still got told that.
Carlos' Beauty In The Beast is another recommendation.
I hope to see more musicians dabbling in this but unless someone really popular picks it up I doubt microtonal music will gain more ground. A shame, really, when you think of the possibilities.

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Any more microtonal music like this album?

>>53242998
You do know there are plenty of great music with a "out of tune shit" don't you?
You don't and so you assume it doesn't exist, okay brother.

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>>53242998
>being this close minded
ye ain't becoming patrish this way anon-san

Jokes aside, it can be really rewarding. You should try it out.

Good microtonal recs? I'm interested now after reading through this thread

>>53242998
I promise that if you listen to one album or a piece you will be pretty used to it by the end

>>53242273
That's really interesting. Thanks for showing this.

Isn't this just outsider music put in theory terms?

Jandek has been doing this shit for years

>>53243139
>Isn't this just outsider music put in theory terms?
no.

>>53243117
Harry Partch, Bjorn Fongaard, Orchestre de la Radio-Télévision polonaise de Cracovie, Syzygys, Ivan Wyschnegradsky, the list can go on...

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=microtonal&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&include_archival=t&include_live=t&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

>>53242273
it sounds like an 8 year old playing Stairway to Heaven with an out of tune guitar he got for christmas a month ago

no mention of jute gyte?

>>53243033
This song is better in terms of accessibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3FZkQTn51o

>>53242924
>it's just going to constantly sound out of tune.
Bro do you even fucking music theory?

>>53243184
hahaha this is so fucking true

you elitist cunts, I never get tired of your pretentiousness.

>>53243316
Haha you elitist cunt, just because you don't like it doesn't make it pretentious. crawl the fuck out of your ass and grow up.

>>53243316
listen to these
>>53242416
>>53242562
>>53242755
>>53243025

>>53243316
I wouldn't defend that video, it's definitely horrible.

Microtonal music is pretty much endless in possibilities thanks to all the weird scales people create.

Some of them are really pretty. A good chunk are not pretty at all.

>>53243157
Explain how it isn't then besides the fact that it doesn't has lyrics and that it's way more pretentious

>>53243139
Yes and no. Jandek does purposefully atonal music.
Microtonal music is not atonal, it has clear structure, just not one the average listener is used to digesting.

>>53243057
pls
new to microtonal music but i really liked this album.

>>53243362
see
>>53243345

>way more pretentious
not really

outsider music is off kilter, microtonal music can be but it is in no way required to be as in the examples i linked above.

>>53242303
Kek it's autist music what did you expect

>guys it's le intresting

Kek

>>53243057
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/michael_harrison/revelation__music_in_pure_intonation/

>>53243380
So mostly yes. I see it as applying western musical techniques to his style. I'm not saying Jandek invented microtones or anything but he's the one of the most notable and one of the first

>>53243436
thank you friendo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PYbIPaW_eg

the whole album is Great
Brendan Byrnes - Micropangaea

>>53243438
lel no. east indian music is microtonal you know? i think its safe to say thats a little older than jandek. stop latching on to the OP post.

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>>53243471

>>53243481
A lot of asian and south-american folk music is too.

>>53243264
FUCK yeah

He makes awesome shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxo8FTBiZxo

>>53243438
>one of the first

hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha what the fuck are you on

I'm just happy that we're having a microtonal thread when /mu/ doesn't even acknowledge the word. Post more - the world must know.

This Ivan Wyschnegradsky piece is my favorite microtonal piece so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2T_QcAbTF4

And then theres this death metal band that plays 16-tone equal temperament seven-string guitars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ERJLEVQ0g4

>>53243481
>>53243628
I was referring to the western world but ok

>>53243694
hes still not the first, of anything.

>>53243715
i should add, you said applying music theory to his style. microtonal music isnt a genre, a style or an asthetic. its just a chosen scale with smaller increments than the western standard. it can sound like anything. thats why i urged you to listen to some of the other examples.

>>53243715
I never said he was the absolute first of anything. But he's one of the first to bring it to prominence in the US

Either way it's completely impractical as a scale

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>>53243752
Bigger increments too.
8edo exists, for example.

>>53242519
You are a complete and utter faggot.

>>53242719
Sorry to interject but the literal subject of the thread is what /mu/ thinks of microtonal music. So saying the OP video is fucking dogshit is actually pretty relevant.

>>53243779
>completely impractical as a scale
um no. why do you think this?

>one of the first to bring it to prominence in the US
hes not really prominent though and there were tons of contemorary composes in the US doing all sorts of nonsesne music in the US before him.

>>53242273
>can't tune a guitar
>i-it's avant garde and cool g-guys

>>53243694
>western world
>culture
Pick one.

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>>53242303
>>53242311
>>53242318

>muh western ears
>anything outside 12TET sounds "out of tune"

plebs indoctrinated into 12TET. I'm laughing my ass off here

eastern tunings sound exotic and unusual to our ears, but I prefer them to boring old 12T.

posting some goodies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI2xyyH-CU
>those microtonal solo lines - pseudo greek influence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ImVLezV4c#t=120
>microtonal organ which can also play the odd JI perfect candce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esvdSie_H4c
>based as fuck bulgarian vocal music with microtonal trills and solo lines

>>53242637
I love these guys

>>53243139
its an expansion on standard music theory. western composers have been fooling around with it for a while, while turkish, indian and middle eastern music is almost never in 12TET

for example, here's a very old western piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akGtDPVRxk


Anyone who doesn't appreciate microtonal music should kindly leave back to your Kanye west and taylor swift threads. We all enjoy something different (combined with the various other musics we enjoy) and if your pleb ears can't handle it, too bad.

>>53243676
that Wyschnegradsky piece was really nice. thank you for that

>>53243438
>he's the one of the most notable and one of the first
for western musicians, see >>53243887
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akGtDPVRxk
>1555

>>53243281

I'm diggin' this. Thanks. Now I have to trawl the internet for more.

Dick.

>>53243887
>eastern tunings sound exotic and unusual to our ears
nah, they sound out of tune.

>>53243887
music theory is for people lacking creativity.

>>53242273
As much as I appreciate the idea conceptually, I am not quite sure that the way microtonality is used by musical intellectuals is actually conducive to making powerful music. I'd much prefer more organic ways of breaking free of standardized tonality (see Blue Notes.

>>53242273
i won't even entertain this buffoonery but i will make a comment. but i did learn about a shitty, shitty instrument today. good job, OP.

>>53243813
>paying attention to what the majority of /mu/ thinks
we'd end up in a NMH and radiohead circlejerk.
no one wants that. /mu/ is a bunch of hipster teens who need educating on traditional music and music that is actually experimental. Radiohead are not experimental. once you get over you teen phase of liking pseudo experimental popular music, you can graduate to real experimental music like Xenakis, Ives and Partch. you probably have a long way to go though, and may not ever make it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yztoaNakKok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izFgt2tZ0Oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKD3zm0WZjA

>>53244046
why is ives so fucking based. 4th symphony a best

>>53244046
Look at this guy. This guy is a TRUE patrician.
I wish I could high five you fellow patrician.
Your tastes are impeccable good sir *tips fedora*

>>53244024
this b8 hurts my head


>>53244036
>making powerful music
i get that theres a lot of technical wank but i think these are just fine >>53243676
>>53243025

>>53243846
Its completely impractical because anything above a 24 note scale has incriments that are reached when someone does vibrato on an instrument. It literally exists solely for experimentation with tones and (with the way this thread is going) feeling superior. It's just not going to be enjoyable to many unless they listen to it continually, and singing it is absolutely impractical because no one is so perfect with singing pitches that the pitch doesn't move at all when they sing. So it's not going to be accepted by larger circles as long as vocals exist

So seeing that harmonies are just certain set proportions of frequencies between sound waves, microtonal music is essentially just about altering western pitches to create dissonance.

>>53243978
>they sound out of tune
to your ears that are used to 12TET. to me they sound amazing. Beauty in the Beast is one of my favorite 5 albums of all time.

>>53244024
If you believe this, thats fine, just carry on. you will never know the depths of how music works.
knowledge has nothing to do with creativity.

>>53244036
see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI2xyyH-CU
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esvdSie_H4c
it can have great power

>>53244104
you need to throw out your concepts of dissonance. look at gamelan music, its full of what a western theorist might call "dissonance" but yet it works fine and sounds amazing.

>>53244036
this, the black man did it right

>>53244046
Ah, glad we can replace the masturbatory rabble with more reasonable micro jerk sessions.

>>53242815
carnist here
ops video sucks.
who cares how many frets the guy has, he's gotta be 43 shades out of tune,

>>53244095
oh i agreee that its not going to become top 40 or some shit like that but even keeping in under increments of a 24 note scale you still have lots to play with. it doesnt exist soley for experimentation as made evident by all the eastern cultres that use it in a normal everyday fashion.

>>53244148
uh, my concept of dissonance is that it's a property of sound but thanks for the tip

There's a reason Microtonal music rarely gets discussed, and why practically nobody cares about it.
it's bad.

It's only a handful of people trying to force it on here, and I want those people to leave /mu/ because they don't belong here.

>>53244208
Shut up. It's on-topic and no one is trying to force it.
Enjoy it or ignore it.
https://soundcloud.com/dmguillotine/gr-symphony

>>53244208
oh look. another guy that thinks all microtonal music is random plink plonking.

>>53243006
out of all the dumb posts in this thread, this is probably the dumbest

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>>53244095
most modern orchestras are fine with playing microtones. there's a commonly accepted notation system for them too. I've had pieces played that involved microtones. really not that hard.

Just intonation was how music started with the ancient greeks. look at pic related. thats what just intonation looks like in our standard 12TET score. since the 17thC 12TET became a thing, allowing composers to modulate to any key without things sounding strained.

Just intonation was the first western way to tune music, thanks to Pythagoras. Equal temperament was the imposter (who has been accepted as the norm since the 17th century) Nothing wrong with 12TET, but JI and microtonal music allow you a new depth of expression and purity.

>>53242273
oh fuck this

>>53244115
thisfaggots music sounds fine.
why cant we all agree op's shit is out of tune.
its a goddamn string instrument that requires tuning.

>>53244321
OP's link sucks because it sounds bad.

I can't really say if it's out of tune: microtonal music has more notes and tritones are more common and harder to avoid.

>>53243978
12 equal actually isn't in tune either. The thirds and sevenths are pretty bad.

>>53244208
>people discussing music that's actually interesting
>I want them to leave

you're right, we dont belong here. 90% of this board is close minded as fuck, listening to ITAOTS over and over and incapable of appreciating traditional or art music.

personally I want all the popular music plebs to leave. imagine what this board would be like if Kanye, radiohead, taylor swift, etc. were never discussed, and only interesting and quality music was talked about. I'd be in heaven.


good to see this thread has angered the plebs though.

>>53244186
I promise I'm not completely against microtonal music but some people in this thread are treating it like it's the birth of a revolution or something, which what led me to say my original statement, which I concede was partially misguided. But I like composers such as La Monte Young and John Corliagno that use quarter tones. I just don't think intervals smaller than that have a very useful purpose in music

>>53244385
>incapable of appreciating traditional or art music.
>art music
post discarded

>>53244357
i rest my case.
op delete this thread and start again.
your shit video has destroyed microtuning's quest for mainstream popularity (except for whirling faggots and whatnot). how does that make you feel op?
like a dirty whore?
thought so.

>>53244321
its ok anon, your ears are so used to 12 tone equal temperament that you cant see what music has always been: natural.

look at these traditional instruments. they're microtonal as fuck, and thats the way its always been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW171lfBZVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATnEM5YT1GM

I feel sorry for all you guys stuck in 12TET. its a great system, but there's more to music than that.

5s alive

>>53244208
This is bullshit.

>>53244385
This is bullshit too. Popular music isn't bad, the board has a diverse taste and there's plenty of good discussion. You sound just like the elitist morons he's complaining about.
Keep your cool.

>>53244301
how do some instruments even go about playing those, though> seems easy as hell for string instruments with no frets, but harps? piano? wind instruments i guess you could "fake" with embouchure (as i know of 0 people who would intentionally detune their clarinet or whatever just for a few notes), but again how do you do that?

>>53244095
>Its completely impractical because anything above a 24 note scale has incriments that are reached when someone does vibrato on an instrument.
Part of the purpose of vibrato is to mask poor intonation. If you need very accurate intervals, it's inappropriate to use vibrato.

>It literally exists solely for experimentation with tones and (with the way this thread is going) feeling superior.
It really doesn't, and you obviously don't know what you're talking about. There are many worthwhile intervals that aren't well represented in simpler temperaments.

> It's just not going to be enjoyable to many unless they listen to it continually,
It's not that hard to get used to it

> and singing it is absolutely impractical because no one is so perfect with singing pitches that the pitch doesn't move at all when they sing
I actually agree on that point

>So it's not going to be accepted by larger circles as long as vocals exist
One thing that people did to record Vincentino pieces is to record the parts and then correct them in Melodyne. It's impractical for performance in general, but we have computers. It's not like it's impossible.

>>53244423
exactly. they hear the words "art music" and instantly they get butthurt and think someones saying their music isn't art.
its just a label m8. perhaps if you listened to some music outside of popular you'd understand how much great music lies out there, either on the traditional side, or the art music side.

>>53244385
I see ITAOTS disparaged on here a lot if anything

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>>53244488
wind instruments and brass are easy, but piano and harps can't. there are microtonal pianos around (pic)

>>53244385
Fact: the real plebs are the ones who can't understand that popular music can be of comparable literary merit to art music

Popular music can be quite interesting simply because of how it is able create instantly pleasing melodied from chords that were used hundreds of years ago. Popular music and baroque music aren't that different in reality. Similar chord structure and harmony is used in both styles. Popular music is culturally significant because of how it connects the people of today and the people of the past. You may not find it musically compelling, but it's an important part of human culture, especially in Europe and North America

>>53242273
Contemporary classical music.

Not even once.

>>53244539
are you implying I dont appreciate popular music? becasue I do. I just also listen to art and traditional music as well. why wouldn't you listen to all types of music?

>>53244562
Not him, but your previous post gives a completely different idea.

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>>53244557
>he can't into contemporary classical

go back to your kanye west thread lol

>>53244455
microbitch, youre proving just how bad ops video is, you know that right.
this thread isnt about microsound faggotry.
its about how op is a shitbag for posting bad music.

>>53244187

It's a property of perception, not sound.

>>53244592
you dont have to stay here. I understand microtonal music is challenging for people used to 12TET.

true test. If you can't listen to this in its entirety, you must leave this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ImVLezV4c#t=120

>>53244585
I bet you think 4'33" is legitimately music.

>>53244491
As an orchestral performer, I very much prefer vibrato over no vibrato because the pitch sounds more mature to my ears, so I guess that's just a preference thing

I guess this is a preference thing too because I don't see why a melody in one octave would need 40 unique notes.

I can't ever get completely used to it because I have "perfect pitch" in A440 and am acccustomed to a twelve tone scale, but I'm guessing others would find it easier. I can kind of alter what I'm accustomed to if I don't listen to anything else for a while

Impractical and impossible are different

>>53244562
You literally stated that you wanted ftp get rid of people who listen to popular music. How would anyone interpret that as you listening to all types of music?

>>53244627
is that the only contemporary "piece" you can think of?

the idea that the sounds of the natural world around you could be music was revolutionary.
Cage was an inventor, not really a composer.

This is the kind of modern stuff I like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB8UiPc2FwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFncet5VHRs
spectralism is based as fuck, and another bunch of composers who tend to shun 12TET in favor of the overtone series.

>>53244455
>your ears are so used to 12 tone equal temperament
>your ears are not used to it
This is starting to become a meme.
I'm a grown man. My ears are fully developed and evolved.
How the fuck could my ears suddenly evolve to start hearing something in these compositons that isn't out of tune pretentious drivel?
Explain that logic to me. Maybe there is a reason why this shit is only played by these natives in their fucking villages out in the middle of nowhere. If it was that good wouldn't we hear about it more here? Wouldn't we start adapting their music into our own?
They have their cultural music, cool. But I'm not a hipster like the rest of you who try to force it on us westerners. What if the natives don't actually like you doing this, what if they want to keep their little pretentious microtonal music club to themselves?

>>53244667
>I very much prefer vibrato over no vibrato because the pitch sounds more mature to my ears, so I guess that's just a preference thing
Yeah but this is partly an adaptation to the limitations of 12 equal and orchestral performance. With very accurate intervals, it actually sounds better with no vibrato.

>I don't see why a melody in one octave would need 40 unique notes.
You don't use them all at once, just as you don't generally use the entire 12 tone scale at once.

>>53244104
>microtonal music is essentially just about altering western pitches to create dissonance
No, microtonal music also provides a great deal of opportunities to make more consonant music than 12 equal. It depends on how it's used.

>>53244724
Yeah but it's also nearly impossible to have that great pitch on a standard violin. On my instrument (bass), it's more reasonable, but smaller instruments are almost never going to be 100% accurate in pitch

I guess that makes sense. But I still think you can do plenty with just 24 notes in a scale

>>53244621
Well, it's both, but the thing is that the perception of dissonance doesn't always correspond to the objective quality of dissonance. People who are used to equal temperaments often consider tempered thirds to be more consonant than just thirds, even though tempered thirds are objectively much more dissonant.

>>53244688
>imagine what this board would be like if Kanye, radiohead, taylor swift, etc. were never discussed
I came to /mu/ years ago expecting people to be discussing unusual and interesting music. lo and behold it was full of top 40 popular music. I was disappointed.

There are a few bastions of interesting discussion, metal jazz and classical threads usually deliver this, and the /trad/ threads that hampus has been running recently (woefully ignored by most of /mu/) and these threads.

can you imagine if top40 popular music wasn't mentioned here? It would be amazing!

>>53244208
why are people here so committed to being terminally plebeian?

12 equal isn't objectively superior just because you're more accustomed to hearing it

>>53244357
>tritones are more common and harder to avoid.
>not using 7:5 and 11:8 tritones in just intonation
they actually sound good, you know

>>53244715
>My ears are fully developed and evolved.
thats right, you've grown up with 12TET temperament on the radio and albums you listen to. if you grew up in the middle east of india or even bulgaria, you'd be much more open to the non western scales and inflections.

this isn't a secret club, its just another facet of music, one that's been around since the dawn of time. its the opposite of pretentious.

>>53244531
what instrument do you play?

as a horn player i could see doing it with embouchure (and cupping/muting with my hand in the bell, so yes i have it easy), otherwise, i feel like having a few period instruments on hand would make it easier (again, as a hornist, i'm thinking "natural" horns - no valves, just different crooks for different keys)

>>53244622
microbitch, that shit is easy and not un-enjoyable.

maybe its just haba - on guitar - that is weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6rWb5eion8

>>53244395
>I just don't think intervals smaller than that have a very useful purpose in music
The problem is that you're assuming the smallest intervals are actually used as intervals. They're generally not.

Thank you based /mu/

I typically listen to really accessible stuff (and that probably wont change) but I really enjoy some of this microtonal stuff, it's really ear opening.

>>53244940
damn...

>>53244891
I'm primarily a composer, but I play keyboard, guitar, cello, vocals, drumkit, theremin and accordion.

microtonal music isn't always easy, and some orchestras wont enjoy playing it, the same reason many people dont like to listen to it, they prefer to play a 12TET major chord and sound "western correct" than plunge the depths of microtonal expression

>>53244944
microfag trying to trick people and force this eastern asian shit music onto western traditional music.

>>53244715
I was going to try to respond to this, but there are so, so many logical fallacies that I can't disentangle them. So get fucked, faggot.

>>53244115
that choir shit is so good

>>53244962
liar.
no one plays theremin.
its not even real.
thomas edison faked the whole thing. i've seen videos. people dont even touch the damn thing.

>>53244930
>that shit is easy and not un-enjoyable.
great, glad to have you. good to see you passed the test.

I'm enjoying that haba piece. cool to see a quarter tone fretted guitar. would love to play on one

>>53244791
>Yeah but it's also nearly impossible to have that great pitch on a standard violin.
Yeah, so forget acoustic instruments. Use computers.

>But I still think you can do plenty with just 24 notes in a scale
24 equal doesn't add many useful intervals or fix any of the problems that 12 equal has. It was only explored out of convenience in the first place. It's misguided to think of it as the "next step". 19 or 31 are far better choices.

>>53244824
I think your post is a bit of a hyperbole. I have found a lot of unusual and experimental music that I really quite enjoy. The problem with being on /mu/ for a while is that artists like Animal Collective, Sufjan Stevens, and Aphex Twin start to seem pretty basic when in fact, they are very odd to the average person's ears. But yeah, there are people who do spam top 40 that should leave

>>53244940
What?

>>53244996
Kek I swear to god Ive literally never heard this stuff before that im aware of

>>53245019
I "play" it without touching it. but its still playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5qf9O6c20o

here's an instrument that is capable of playing microtones, although its hard enough to play in 12TET let alone microtones.

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>wahhhh it sounds bad
>wahhh my tonality hegemony

i hope adorno comes back from the dead to rape your stupid ignorant asses

Electronic microtonal bass music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNPCiBY5IZ8
https://seanarchibald.bandcamp.com/album/sean-but-not-heard

This page has some links on creating microtonal electronic music
http://sevish.com/music-resources.php

>>53244962
i really hated playing atonal music in college. i'm much happier playing 20th century wind band standards. i am not sure if atonal would be on the same line as microtonal music, i call it atonal because these composers were american, and i am american, so i am used to hearing very tonal music. it took me a long time to enjoy jazz for this reason even though i've been a musician for more than half my life

>>53245056
even aphex twin sufjan and joanna newsom I knew about before /mu/. I internalized what they were doing and moved on.

>>53244715

Wow, way to completely not understand the point being made, that sure showed them.

Your hearing, like all other senses, relies on pattern recognition. If a given type of pattern is unfamiliar your brain will have a difficult time processing it correctly and is likely to make a lot of assumptions in the process, which for hearing tends to create a "muddled" effect. It has nothing to do with physical maturity, if you aren't exposed to something like this often enough you simply will not be capable of processing it correctly. That isn't a value statement it's just a physical phenomena that happens.

>>53245078
why did you quote me

>>53245056
>What?
What part are you not getting? The advantage of, for example, 72 equal is that you have lots of good intervals to use, like 7:5, 9:7, 7:6, 12:11, etc. that aren't available in 12 equal. You're not generally playing all the notes at once or using twelfth-tones as musical intervals themselves.

>>53242273
Babies first micritonal music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZWr9ZLVE2s

>>53245078
how come you didnt quote me?

>>53245102
>i am not sure if atonal would be on the same line as microtonal music
It depends on the composer; some are attracted to microtonal music for tonal music with superior consonances.

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>>53244046
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKD3zm0WZjA
>Harry Partch hated John Cage
based Partch

>>53244715
It's not out of tune though dipshit.

>>53245135
>Bringing science into a discussion about music.
Post discarded.

>>53245138
i'm sorry, reading so many retards confuses me.
>>53245158
don't worry, you most likely are also an idiot

>>53245156
>its already been posted ITT
Babies first post

>>53245188
>implying music isn't just patterns and numbers