So why exactly did people dislike the new episode? I thought

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>>30765156
Because Spike is an idiot.

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>>30765156
They were disposed to hate it before it aired. It was funny watching it, having a great time and then coming back to read the screeching in the threads.

He wasn't involved in resolving the problem he created. Ember and Thorax got together and solved it themselves. It's like Princess Spike in that regard, where he doesn't fix the problem he created and needs the help of others to fix it for him. I don't like that.

That being said, I still liked the episode overall. Ember and Thorax carried the episode and were fun to watch when they were on screen.
And I'll still give props to Spike for solving two friendship problems all by himself.

>>30765156
I think I simply would have preferred it if the conflict was something real rather than fabricated by Spike himself. Spike has been shown to be a fairly smart character who keeps his head on his shoulders in the past.

>>30765182
>he doesn't fix the problem he created and needs the help of others to fix it for him
he's me

>>30765161
How? He was wrong, but he was wrong because he made wrong assumptions. It wasn't the world coming together to fuck him over, he caused his issue because of his character faults and learned a valuable lesson.

>>30765182
>He wasn't involved in resolving the problem he created
>I'll give props to Spike for solving two friendship problems all by himself

You mean the random stool and cupcake ones? Thorax and Ember were barely characters. They would have never even discussed the issues with their rule had Spike not done what he did. He is the entire reason that they went off and got upset, and decided to give each other advice. He helped them get better.

>>30765192
He had legitimate, if over exaggerated reasons for creating the conflict in his head.

>>30765199
I don't like you.

>>30765156
I want to fuck all three of them so hard.

>>30765156
I haven't even seen it yet and I already dislike it

>>30765192
>>30765192
It definitely would have made more sense as a Twilight problem. She even did the exact same thing in the premiere, worrying about how Starlight would get along with Ember and Thorax.

>>30765212
i beg ur pardon

>>30765156
He was the one who created a problem in the first place, like every other Spike episode because god forbid Spike actually fixes something he didn't personally fuck up himself for once.

>>30765207
Oh yeah his fear was legitimate. I meant to say that I don't actually dislike the episode. Just that it feels kinda weird how Spike is typically pretty sensible about friendship, especially when he's talking to Starlight in The Crystalling.

>>30765156
Spike did nothing wrong.
Twilight and Glimmer planted the idea that Ember and Thorax wouldn't like each other, went along with his schemes, and then pinned all blame on him in the end

>>30765248
I think he would have thought like this even without those two. Twilight and Glimmer only made the problem worse by playing along with Spike's anxiety, though.

>>30765156
>So why exactly did people dislike the new episode?
Because it was shit. Why else?

>>30765350
And we all know Spike is only a nervous wreck because he was raised by Twilight

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>>30765161
>tfw after 7 years of collecting random pony reaction images on /mlp/ you realize you have more Spike pics than anything else by a wide margin
H-how did this happen?

>>30765497
Because you realized Spike is our guy

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>>30765497
>>30765511
Spike is the king of faic.

>>30765460
Yeah, he put together all of those lists because of Twilight before she could make him even more worried.

It was another episode where Spike is a retard that fucks up everything.

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>>30765182
>>30765234
>>30765594
>he wasn't involved in resolving the problem he created
- You mean like how Pinkie thought her friends had back stabbed her in season one and fixed the problem herself?

- You mean like how Dash didn't want Tank to leave, caused a winter/factory crisis and fixed it?

- You mean like how Applejack thought everyone would be let down by her loss, ran away, and brought herself back?

- you mean like how Rarity overstayed her time at Canterlot, had to choose whether or not to stay or go to Twilight's birthday party and wasn't pushed to a choice and the truth?

- you mean like how Fluttershy overcame her fear of Nightmare Night and stage fright?

- you mean like how Twilight almost destroyed the town over a late friendship letter and totally had a non-scaly hand in solving it?

That's what you guys mean right? Clearly all the characters have always fixed their episode problems and come by a resolution via a different path is unique to Spike.

It's like you don't watch the show.

>>30765156
I don't dislike the episode because Ember is my waifu and I want her to punch me in the dick.

>>30765754
Spike gets the double standard because of the early fandom meme of him having shitty episodes, even if what we judge a Spike episode to be "shitty" wouldn't be shitty for any other character.

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>>30765754

>>30765754
>it wasn't shit writing because other writers made shit in the past

>>30766027
i think the point was "measure your shit with the same stick"

>>30765754

none of these involve a magical faggot table with a friendship problem alarm that it determines only certain individuals can fix

>>30766042
The point of that was to move the episode forward from the "Twilight and Starlight help (but actually actively hurt by doing so) Spike cover for his mistake and pander to his anxiety" thing.

>>30766042
fluttershy leans in is an example of what happens when you get the wrong people to fix a problem

>>30765156
First major point: Spike's episode that almost has no Spike being a character. He just freak out and becomes an abuse gag joke for entire episode. It is Ember and Thorax episode with Spike being thrown there for a conflict and drama creator and to learn a lesson.

Second flaw was bringing up the Map and making non cutie mark creatures to be summoned by the map.

Third flaw was Thorax being a flaming faggot who whine about his subjects and lacking any backbone of changeling leader. I feel like Chrysalis might have been a better choice after all and they SHOULD do mutiny.

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>>30765156
>it's another "this shit episode wasn't bad, why no one listen to meeee!!"

You did it with Princess Spike and Applejack Day Off, we don't care. Shit is Shit.

>>30766102
1. I'd argue it is more a Spike episode than anything because Ember and Thorax are reduced to one-note characters who only have one issue that they need solved. Spike's motivations and actions on the other hand, are complicated and set up to teach him a lesson.

2. The map gave him a throne, it was weird that he wouldn't be called. And there was a friendship problem, of course the map is involved.

3. Venting to your friend privately about your difficulties doesn't make you a weak leader.

>>30766113
But Anon, those WERE shit.

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> you're basically the same pony

sparkefags and glimmerfags btfo eternally for all time

>>30765156
I though it was okay. Just Spike fucking everything up and not actually fixing anything, as usual.

>>30766118
How did he not fix anything? He's the one who got Ember and Thorax to vent their issues to each other.

>>30765207
>How? He was wrong
Him being a retard and not knowing to set different dates with two most important beings like leader of dragons and changelings is well beyond character flaw as well as Spike not knowing that dragons eat crystals and never offering them to Ember instead pony shit.

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>>30765754
Capped for future bitching about this episode.

>>30766130
The issue wasn't that he accidentally set the same date, the issue is that Twilight's autism combined with his imagination and he created a worst case scenario. And then the logic he used to create this worst case scenario hurt his friends.

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>>30766116
Hamilton, why are you this pathethic to damage control your own episode on anonymous board? Are you mental? It was shit, your episode is as bad as Neal Dusedau episodes You have comepletely no idea about Spikes progression in the past and based his character on Princess Spike and Owls Well episodes..

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>>30766124
> gets yelled at, knocked on his ass, and cowers while shivering in fear, and as a result Ember and Thorax end up fucking off talking it out
> does something

Pick one.

>>30766156
Hey, he made them talk by upsetting them, right?

>>30766124
Are you fucking serious? It wasn't intentional, he literally didn't do shit. It's the same resolution as in Princess Spike where the conflict resolved itself once everybody turned savage and wanted to lynch an underage kid.

>>30766164
The only problem that was there to fix was himself, honestly. He was the one wrong from the start.

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>>30766162
Okay, so now I know you're being disingenuous.

>>30766139
I0it's not Spike fault guyzz It's TWILIGHT!!!

Jesus christ Spikefags can't be this pathethic. I would spit on your face if i met you at bronycon.

>>30766174
>Spike acting exactly like Twilight at the start of the episode, to the point where Starlight mentions it
>Twilight assisting Spike in keeping the act up instead of telling him to come clean

Yeah, no, Twilight didn't do anything to contribute to or exacerbate the issue. Nope.

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>>30766164
Seriously the most FUCKING annoyin thing in the episode was Spike NOT realising that the Map problem was about Ember and Thorax.

WE knew that it was about them.
KIDS knew it was about them
RETARDS knew it was about them
Our PETS probably figured it out

But of course FUCKING Spike was looking for some random bg ponies like Lyra and BonBon. Like fuck you what a dumb writing. It made me rage so much for 22 minutes and I was waiting for this episode since Gauntlet of Fire.

>>30766199
Wasn't that the point, that he didn't want to admit that the friendship problem was related to Ember/Thorax?

>>30766191
Her only problem wa making him an ambassador of friendship to begin with. A freaking baby handling diplomacy of two nations that can destroy ponies. What a joke.

>>30766201
The point was that the writer wanted him to be a moron like in SAYS. AT LEAST he wasn't counting the number of grass leafs this time.

>>30766203
She made Pinkie of all ponies official ambassador of the species that will go to war over improperly made beds.

>>30766216
I think the attempt was at willful ignorance, hence his desperation to look at nearly ANYTHING that could even be approached as a friendship problem. Remember Starlight stalling in the S6 premiere?

>>30766223
>he's simply following twilight and glimmers experiences
>gets blamed for fucking up when their methods dont work for him.
One of these days a pony is going to rant at him for fucking up and he's going to be all "YOU MADE ME THIS WAY."

>>30766404
That would be amazing but none of the writers have the balls.

Everyone was idiot balling super hard to the point that it became frustrating.

>>30765754
Eat dick and die.

I feel like their idea kind of ran away from them. They seemed really eager to use Spike in a map episode but in doing so, they created a scenario that wouldn't make sense for the map to deal with (that is Spike being the architect of his the problem the map called him to solve, meaning none of this would have happened if he was just honest from the get-go and the map has only ever called its subjects to deal with things that were preexisting).

But other than that I thought it was alright.

7/10 episode, I guess.

>>30766741
>being this triggered

People forget that Spike practically domesticated Thorax and Ember last season so he's still the only reason they were able to sort shit out here. He put in the work to make them both capable of friendship so he should get the credit for them becoming friends even if he almost fucked it up.

>>30766156
the friendship problem was caused by him, but it could also only be solved by him because he had to realize he was fuckning up his friendships by trying so hard to not fuck up his friendships. then he did, apologized and solved his own friendship problem.

>>30765156
>So why exactly did people dislike the new episode?

Hopefully nothing. This episode was aces. Great story, funny, cute resolution.....it's probabaly the best we'll see this season save for the apple patents episode. I'm hoping to see more from josh hamilton, based on this episode he seems quite talented.

>>30767798
*parents, not patents.

>>30765754
>it's okay because other writers wrote equally shitty episodes

nice argument, hasdrone

The difference here is that Spike has a long history of episodes where he fucks up everything and that is the main drive behind the plot. This is another one of them.

>>30767798
He wrote the Dash parent episode, so I too am excited.

It doesn't work because no one needs an episode surrounding Spike nor one surrounding Applejack. Both characters play the part of supporting role and everyone already knows they're characters that just don't need expanding upon. They're both fantastic characters that serve their purpose but when they're utilised to move the plot, it really is just a matter of the writer being handed over or coming up with a weak story that would otherwise work better with a different lead.

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Just because spike was the one who caused the problem doesn't mean he has to fix it

>>30768794
That's what a good person does.

>>30765156
I just don't like the way Spike is handled in these episodes.

That's the long and short of it, though I still enjoyed the episode overall that's my main point of critisim.

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>>30768804
He's not a person
He's a dragon

So, Spike/Ember or Spike/Thorax for OTP to end all OTPs?

>>30768879
OT3.

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>>30765156

>>30768879
Spike x Thorax for sure

Whole episode was poorly written. Thorax is a complete beta male, and Ember comes off like a dyke

>>30770085
>Thorax a beta
He was ready to rip Ember apart

>>30768879
I find spike x thorax cute but ember x spike x thorax works too

>>30770085
>Thorax is a complete beta male

ewww,I have my doubts

by nature,he acts like a beta but he knows what he's doing. He leaves his soft emotions aside when it comes to defense,but 95% of the times,he would prefer solving things with diplomacy.

>>30770197
And he chose a form covered from head to toe in highly flammable fur. He wouldn't have lasted three seconds.

>>30768811
>these episodes
What episode other than the new one are you talking about?

>>30770085
Thorax was always a male Fluttershy in how he presented himself. In his intro episode, Spike had to move the ball 95 percent of the way to get Thorax accepted. Ember was always bad with feelings and non-dragon culture. The only thing that changed since GoF is her sudden value of feats of strength.

>>30765156
It's a Spike episode. Half of the fandom hate Spike episodes. even though Spike was on a roll during season 6 /

Don't understand the screeching, i liked it

>>30765156
I for one, fully support this threeway ship.

>>30771401
Yeah, the focus on acts of strength and humiliation is directly contrary to her entire characterization in GoF. Maybe she does it to get the respect?

>>30771645
Hi Jim

>>30773378
hi jimfag.

>>30773381
Hi Jim

>>30770249
He isn't bright

I mostly thought it was kind of boring. Thorax is so meek it makes him unlikable and ember is autistic. the solution to the problem was obvious the moment they both showed up and the rest of the episode was mostly going in circles trying to keep them apart poorly.

it was ok, nothing offensive about it. But it wasnt all that interesting. I guess it's a lot more enjoyable if you really like Thorax or Ember or both.

>>30775725
I didn't feel like Thorax was even this meek in his previous appearances.

>>30776342
Leadership changes people. Maybe he wasn't but having to try to please everyone changed his interactions with others.

>>30776361
all we really see him do is complain about everything though, we dont see his hardship or even really hear him address it to spike throughout the episode.

>>30776361
>>30776373
I think its a similar lesson about leadership changing Ember. Because she has to be aggressive to be respected.

So, Spike is officially a friendship ambassador. Where does he go from here?

>>30776381
Helping Ember lead the dragons next season.

>>30776396

I think we'll have an episode of him with Ember or Thorax next season. What do you think?

>>30776401
We already have an episode this season where Thorax is helped. Either Uncommon Bond is Spike helping Ember or it will happen next season. Both werw foreshadowed.

>>30765156
I only disliked it because of that abomination that was a changling.

>>30765156

Spike was an idiot. Again. Twilight and Starlight were lesser idiots by going along with it. Trying to keep two people from meeting is an old sitcom plot device. And the map calling Spike for a problem he created and really didn't fix, none of that was needed.

That having been said, I loved the last few minutes with just Ember and Thorax talking. I also enjoyed Ember trying to understand pony ways. It wasn't a total loss. It had potential but didn't get there.

>This episode is literally Look Before You Sleep 2: Electric Boogaloo
>Spike is acting like Twilight right down to the lists and treating friends like math problems instead of people
>Only difference is Spike tries to keep them apart instead of forcing them together.

But of fucking course because its a purple dragon instead of a purple horse fucking everything up its magically shit.

I hate you people.

>>30777946
>"people just hate the episode because it's Spike!"

no

if it was any other character it would still be badly written

fuck yourself, Jim

>>30778005
There have been several episodes similar to this one that are beloved.

>>30778020
maybe because those episodes didn't involve that character suddenly being a retard who fucks everything up and then has to have someone else solve the problem

back to twitter with you, Jim

>>30778026
Why are you talking about Lesson Zero?

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>>30778005
pfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpf!
NYA NYA NYA NYA!
*Wipes buttocks on the screen*

>>30777946
Wouldn't it be more like Party of One?

>>30778005
hi jimfag

>>30765182
How DARE anyone but the protagonist have any agenda in story!

Fuck off, I like two leaders are actually mature and it's the idiot kid with pedo tendencies who is the problem, like he should, instead of usual shit 'Adults are useless' crap running on protagonistium

>>30779515
You've got to admit that their problems really only existed to show that Spike's misconceptions were actually wrong, though.

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>>30765156
Let me put it this way. Every other character can logically freak out in the way they do, e.g., Twilight, normally looking at things in a logical, ordered fashion, snaps under the pressure and devolves into an insane, illogical mess, or Rarity's image as an elegant, Victorian lady becomes a demented version of what she normally is. Spike's just this guy, you know? That sensible friend talking you out of that girl he knows is going to fuck you up, or the guy who brings you home in his car when you're blackout drunk because he's a bro. There's no bad archetype of the "sensible guy" firmly implanted in our minds, so whenever Spike suddenly acts like a retard like he usually does when episodes feature him as the main character, people don't like it.

>>30765156
Spike acted 100% like Twilight in the season premiere, a complete 180 of himself from that episode.

That and Ember and Thorax's lines felt...awkward...especially the scenes where they were together, and when they went back to Spike...they were just...weird...like if those scenes were from some korean knockoff.

>>30779831
Even sensible people can be irrational at times.

>>30781147
They were super flat the whole episode, and Thorax's meekness was turned up way high.

>>30781260
>They were super flat the whole episode.

That's true, but the line delivery on both Ember and Thorax was almost bootleg-quality during the part where they confronted Spike over his spaghetti spewing.

>>30781892
Both of them were acting like how they never do. They were forcing themselves.

>>30765161
This has ruined so many episodes.

>>30765754
The difference is all those other characters have plenty of episodes where they actually manage to fix problems they weren't solely responsible for creating in the first place.

The only time Spike has ever done anything good was the last five minutes of the Crystal Empire two parter.

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>>30783311
Except you know; Celestial Advice, A Flurry of Emotions, Dungeons and Discords, The Times They Are a Changeling, Gauntlet of Fire, Castle Sweet Castle, The Crystal Empire, Dragon Quest, Lesson Zero, The Return of Harmony, The Best Night Ever and Friendship is Magic.

You know, those episode where Spike does 0 to cause the conflict then either helps solve it, or you know fucking solves it on his own.

>>30783406
>Celestial Advice
>A Flurry of Emotions
>Castle Sweet Castle
>Lesson Zero
>The Return of Harmony
>The Best Night Ever
>Friendship is Magic
Absolutely none of these are Spike episodes, at the very most Spike is a side character in these, a background character at least

>Dungeons and Discord
More of a Discord episode than a Spike episode, you could call it a Big Mac episode if you were going by that logic.

>The Times They Are A Changeling
>Gauntlet of Fire
I'll give you those, they weren't particular good episodes imo but I'll give you those

>Dragon Quest
Spike was solely responsible for the issue, nothing would have happened if he never went to the dragons in the first place. Also the episode was just shit.

>The Crystal Empire
Exactly what I said in the post you were replying to

wtf I love Spike now

>>30766741
you just made yourself look very foolish

>>30783456
He helped to solve the conflict he didn't cause in those episodes, or fixed his own problems in the other episodes. He didn't say that they were Spike episodes. Don't move the goalposts.

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>>30777946

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>>30765169
Me too. Blame the Analcysts

>>30783667
Hes right you know.

>>30765169
>They were disposed to hate it before it aired.
Yeah. It's as if they already had several bad experiences where the show dissapointed them over and over again until they lost hope end became all jaded and bitter.

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The episode was good, I just don't get why the Cutie Map suddenly kicked in and decided to involve itself in the situation. Like, the map is supposed to call upon someone who will be able to use their specific talent or general outlook to solve the friendship problem. But in this case, 1) Spike was the one who was responsible for starting the problem, 2) Spike did fuck-all to solve the problem, 3) The problem un-fucked itself without him anyway. Why did the map have to be involved at all?

>>30785483
Wasn't it to get Twilight to stop helping him hide the issue? I assumed the map did it because otherwise Twilight wouldn't have gotten the hint. Also, foreshadowing for future calls to him.

Also, while he caused the problem he definitely unfucked it himself because HE was the problem. He only realized it when Ember and Thorax stormed off, talked to each other, then confronted him and everyone shared feelings.

>>30785501
>Wasn't it to get Twilight to stop helping him hide the issue?
Didn't see it like that, fair enough I guess.

>>30784117
>getting jaded and bitter over a children's show
>watching the show

>>30765156
>>30765169
Man, I love thorax's gay bug voice

>>30783456
I didn't know an episode had a label on it to definitely classify what ONE character owns a whole episode. Not like a writer could be playing around with the synopsis rather than writing a character bible. I'm sure the idea of co-stars or action oriented plots are myths.

>TTTAAC
>GoF
>not good
Yeah there really is not much to say at this point as you clear are set in stone. Might as well say that Lesson Zero and Return to Harmony were boring and uneventful.