Powerful

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>>30734793
If you want a powerful message look no further.

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>>30734793
Easily the best and most thematically appropriate lesson the show has done.

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>>30734793
Someone put the boop picture on that mirror pls

>>30734806
I agree. Starlight's backstory was botched, but the actual conflict resolution was fantastic

>>30734808
Shit, i can feel it.. yeah,
this is getting old.

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>>30734808
I'm on about 48 hours no sleep so don't expect my best work here.

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>>30734867
Love it thank you anon

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>>30734931
No problem, Glimmerfriend

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>>30734806
>>30734820
>>30734793

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>>30734966
It's true. One of the most important lessons from history is that turning yesterday's enemies into today's friends brings peace while alienating them courts ruin.

That's a message that needs to be put out there today when we're seeing so many people being radicalized. Same with the idea that rehabilitation is more important than punishment. MLP doesn't get enough credit for how smart it is.

>>30734806
I think the lesson was to forgive communists.

The shills have been very busy trying to brainwash everyone, eh.

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>>30735102
>That's a message that needs to be put out there today when we're seeing so many people being radicalized. Same with the idea that rehabilitation is more important than punishment. MLP doesn't get enough credit for how smart it is.
You. I like you anon

>>30735102
> Another attempt to salvage Starlight's fucking pathetic reformation and pass it as a good thing

Anon, some things are impossible even for the most dedicated shill.

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We should just hug and forgive our enemies

>>30735668
Oh, don't worry anon , I've already forgiven you.

>>30734793
>Love
>Only force capable of making an enemy a friend

More like "if you tell your enemies that you're right, they'll spontaneously decide you're actually right. You don't even need to give a reason, they'll just accept you're obviously correct with no delay no matter how good their reasons are!"

We should just stop creating our enemies by alienating immigrants and minorities.

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>>30734931
Sorry, my autism couldn't ignore this.

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>>30735726
.t didn't watch the episode

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>>30735102
>One of the most important lessons from history is that turning yesterday's enemies into today's friends brings peace while alienating them courts ruin.
Another important lesson from history is smallpox.
It killed lots of people.
It's now effectively eradicated.
It's chances of harming or killing someone is now 0%.

"And eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, so make sure you get both of that other bastards just to be sure."

>>30734793
Well, that and common enemies.
... And the promise for wealth.
... And emotional manipulation.
... And cornering your enemy before offering them an escape route from which you can draw them back at any time should they not comply with your conditions of surrender.

It would be a simpler world if love was indeed the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend though.

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>>30735762
There's a difference between a friend and a slave.

>>30735745
I watched the episode. That's literally what happens, though.
> Twilight tells Glimmer she is bad, fighting cutie marks is bad, and she should feel bad
> Glimmer just accepts it because... reasons?
> Never brings up any of her lifelong-held beliefs ever again.
> Everyone forgets Glimmer literally attempted to commit murder the last time they saw her.
> Friendship!

>>30734820
Yeah, this. Starlight's backstory might have been rushed but herself as a character is amazing.

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>>30735779
Not saying relationships born from modern variations of these scenarios cannot make for truly loyal, honest and reliable friends.

Y'know, perhaps the fact that friendships aren't necessarily born from the all-laudable spark of love should be taken as, ah ... Reasons not to step away in disgust from shadily born relationships as they can become more genuine ?

>>30735102
No, I completely agree, just... I thought I sensed sarcasm.

>MLP doesn't get enough credit for how smart it is
I give it credit, but I'm a hasdrone, so I don't count.

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>>30735837
That happens after Glimmer sees the dead-end future that her actions cause.

Glimmer's "lifelong-held beliefs" were shown to be a farce in her debut episode. She was always motivated by fear of rejection and loneliness.

>>30735979
Objection! Her fucking around with the past caused a dead-end future; it was made abundantly clear in the episode that each time they traveled, things got worse. The beliefs in and of themselves did absolutely nothing; she could have chosen to undo the time-travel damage or even let go of her grudge on Twilight while still holding onto her opinions and promoting them in a more helpful manner.

>Glimmer's "lifelong-held beliefs" were shown to be a farce
This was another big issue with the episode, yeah. It turns her into a driven, confident character to a scared little kid crying for attention.

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>>30735979
Except she specifically calls Twilight out on her supposed bullshit.
>"I only saw what you showed me, who knows what will really happen?

>Equestria doesnt turn out well without my friends.
>Why ur friends so important even tho different.
>Differnce makes us strong
>Me and sunburst were different and it tore us apart
>So try again, make new friends.
>Sure why not.
>Cue song montage.

Dont chose this hill to die on anon, nobody in their right mind can possibly rationalise starlights backstory as "good", just accept that's a weak point for her character.

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>>30736040
Starlight doesn't see any of the future until Twilight takes her along for the ride during the final jump, but that's a moot point because her "beliefs" were a meme.

>It turns her into a driven, confident character to a scared little kid crying for attention.
She still is a driven and confident character, a born leader, and we see that because the citizens of Our Town still respect her afterwards.

Her beliefs, routed in her insecurities, were warping her relationships and not letting her make healthy ones with ponies that cared for her.

>>30736051
Friends are what she wanted all along, Anon.

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>>30736131
>and we see that because the citizens of Our Town still respect her afterwards.
No, that's something we call "The writers are forcing the characters to forgive her despite all logical reason."
Tends to happen a lot with starlight, it's part of the reason some people consider her a mary sue.
Not even literally mind controlling the mane6 minus twilight (Just to skip through friendship lessons at that) gets more than a light scolding.

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>>30736263
There's no reason to grant you that point. What matters is what happens in the show, and how that follows the show's themes.

I'd love an episode on the founding of Our Town to explore the ideas we saw in To Where And Back Again.

>>30736131
>Starlight doesn't see any of the future until Twilight takes her along for the ride during the final jump
But isn't that the point? Nothing comes about until Twilight carries her through a jump. As long as time isn't fucked with, the future is not a given.
>because her "beliefs" were a meme.
Kek. Okay then.
>She still is a driven and confident character, a born leader, and we see that because the citizens of Our Town still respect her afterwards.
You mean the ponies who she literally attempted to murder the last time they saw her? Anon, that's not respect. That's writers forcing them together.


>>30736306
>I don't like logic that disagrees with me, so I can just disregard them!
...well, okay then.

>>30734793

True power grows out of the barrel of a long rifle.

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>>30736376
>You mean the ponies who she literally attempted to murder the last time they saw her?
What are you talking about?

>...well, okay then.
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. What reason do I have to believe your argument?

>>30736513
>What are you talking about?
The last time they saw her, she was fleeing the town. She turns around and shoots a magic beam that Twilight is only just barely able to deflect. What do you think would have happened if that'd if that'd hit ponies?

>That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The evidence is the show itself: The writers have caused the characters to behave in a manner which is irrational to any sense of logic for the benefit of Starlight.

>>30736131

No. The problem is that she's still a bad rendition of her character. She's TOO broken too fast. The comics handle her better post redemption because she's still a sassy and domineering character who struggles more with her history affecting her future decisions than an absolute 180 and removing what made her interesting as a villain.

Glimmer being maximum spaghetti is just shit writers making her into Twilight 2.0 without needing her to be. She should instead be conflicted. She could 'easily solve' any issue with her spells but she shouldn't unless it's something where talking won't work like with the Sisters.

The bottle of butthurt was a good idea but once she didn't need it anymore, she should have just been going to do shit as a sassy cunt with very little tolerance for fuck ups. That's why SHE should work with Trixie because Trixie is the same but isn't ultra competent anymore thanks to bad writing.

>>30736581
>writers have caused the characters to behave irrationally

Thats EVERY FUCKING EPISODE since season 3.

Tirek? They knew about him and sent in Discord instead of an alicorn. They knew he was manipulative and still sent in a forced redemption character who didn't owe them shit.

Mane 6 drama outside of AJ and Rares? All ignore previous episodes from a development stand point.

It's not something limited to Glimmer. It's a post season 3 inevitability due to them keeping the same main cast instead of shoving it aside for a NEW cast with Twilight as the new 'Celestia'.

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>>30735850
I don't think her post-reformation character is interesting enough to warrant the attention she gets, and I think her actual reasoning for going crazy was kind of shallow, but the idea behind it was sound enough.

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>>30736581
>What do you think would have happened if that'd if that'd hit ponies?
Same thing that happened to Twilight when she got hit by it.

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>>30736581
>What do you think would have happened if that'd if that'd hit ponies?
Probably knock them down, like it has in every other case.

>The writers have caused the characters to behave in a manner which is irrational to any sense of logic for the benefit of Starlight.
Based on what? Where does this interpretation come from?

You mentioned the chase scene in The Cutie Map, but that just supports my argument. Sugar Belle protests that they had thought of Glimmer as their friend the whole time and Double Diamond is mad because Starlight Glimmer didn't trust them.

They don't hate her. They're upset because she lied and didn't believe in her friends.

>>30736696
Huh. I hadn't made that connection, but that I think about it, it makes sense. Either way, the "murder" idea is a little silly.

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>>30734793
le based black men, so powerful, much wow

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>>30736696
Objection! Starlight is not using her crystal-trap spell. She's straightup shooting force beams strong enough to carve through solid rock in an instant. See pic related - that's a lethal spell.

>>30736720
>Probably knock them down, like it has in every other case.
The only time we've seen spells of this caliber hit a pony and get "knocked down", an alicorn was on the receiving end - once a pureborn, and once an ascended bearing the magic of the other three.

>Based on what? Where does this interpretation come from?
The episode itself, again: The characters behaved in an irrational manner in welcoming back a pony who had attempted to murder them with open arms. This is presented as a result of Starlight dropping her beliefs.

>>30735102
Well said anon.

>>30735102
Starlight is still a shit character

>>30737214
>Starlight is not using her crystal-trap spell. She's straightup shooting force beams strong enough to carve through solid rock in an instant. See pic related - that's a lethal spell.
That's all pure conjecture. It that instant she was specifically aiming at the bridge and not for them so it could be a different spell cast in that instant. Most magic spells have same magic beam when casting different spells. Even before that to stop Night Glider she casts magic at snow on a cliff so it would fall on her stopping her.

>>30737408
Surprisingly enough, it isn't! The crystalization spell uses a slightly different animation asset and interacts differently with Twilight's shield. The beam used in that moment matches her bridge-smashing spell, though.

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>>30737214
>the only time we've seen spells of this caliber hit a pony
Neither is debut Glimmy as strong as hopped up on love Chrysalis or Tirek.

>The characters behaved in an irrational manner in welcoming back a pony who had attempted to murder them with open arms
Actually, that sounds like a good case for the opposite idea; because they welcomed her with open arms, it's doubtful Glimmy tried to murder them. That's not the kind of thing that happens in Equestria.

>>30737674
>That's not the kind of thing that happens in Equestria.
Now it sounds like you're the one projecting. We've seen ponies pushed to the point of violence before; just because it's not front and center doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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>>30737811
inb4 someone says this was because of the TV-Y.

>>30738075
On that note, why the FUCK are the equestria girls shorts, which are basically about them just having slice of life hijinks and part time jobs, Y7 while FIM is Y?

>>30738092

covered or not. tits and short skirts

>>30738132
That's retarded, that means that any series with girls is inherently going to be rated higher than one with boys.

>>30738092
Because of the marginally more """mature""" and """sexualised""" themes like crushes and makeup and shit

>>30738092
because ponies are not sexually attractive

>>30738319
>Implying

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>>30738319
>because ponies are not sexually attractive

U WOT

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>>30738329
by normie standards, they are not

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@30738319

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>>30738335
Relax, it's all part of the plan. Gotta keep things on the DL.