S07E14 Episode Discussion #2

>>30709610
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13689353
I'd like to give 10 but it would be an ironic vote
I just don't know what this was
in a good way

>Spike and CMC have decent episodes
>Former isn't even in whole episode, CMC are there just to advertise a future episode in the season

What happened? They wrote some of the more memorable things in that journal.

>You realize this is the episode they chose to air during Bronycon.

Shitty episode. Why are all the episodes shir when they try to write them for bronies?

>>30709645
I want to see the con's reaction to this.

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>>30709661
Choose your words carefully, else you want to end up on the manifesto

>/mlp/ will defend this because "DUDE LARSON"

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Newfags better step off my waifu or I'll stab them with a naifu.

Any restreams? i missed it.

>>30709645

Literally a giant middle finger

There was just so much going on in the foreground middle ground and background that I'll need to watch this a few times to actually get the full picture

Atticon, have I mentioned that I love you, you glorious bastard?

Here I was going to repost my poll, and you did my job for me.

It's nice to be appreciated.

Maybe just a little bit homo

I enjoyed the episode, but I feel a bit strange about it, mainly cause it doesn't feel like it fits in the /mlp/ universe I guess? It was purely meta, which feels out of place.
>>30709634
It'd fit cause it felt like it was an ironic episode

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This was less of a real episode than Slice of Life. It's just 20 minutes of cracking jokes at the fandom and a mediocre EqG tier generic pop song because I guess Ingram finally ran out of ideas after all these years.
It's not why I watch the show.

They should unironically end the show already. Not that I hate it but everything needs an end and you can see that they run out of ideas because the characters are pretty much "done".

>>30709687
Think of this episode as SoL2

The song was essentially the writers saying that the show has major problems but we dont give a fuck.

>>30709707
>The point

>>30709666
>My Twisted Equestria by Starlight Glimmer

>>30709707
>Your head

DL link when?

>>30709695
Then stop watching it.

>>30709697
fuck off the majority of the episodes this season have been 8/10 at the least this is just the show staff whining at us to stop hurting their feelings
and by the staff I obviously mean Jim

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>>30709695
You are triggered? Good, the writers have won again

>this is the episode they aired during bronycon
an entire con completely and utterly BTFO

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>>30709686
I'm just a huge spoonfeeding carebear.
Not that kind of bear.

I don't think we got another mark from this epsiode, but I'll change the "Just Friends" entry to include Fluttercord and today's Rarijack.

>>30709711
>>30709717
Are you implying it wasnt? They said that the show wasnt perfect so the fandom should just settle for less. Its an excuse for the writers to be lazy

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>>30709610
Jim Miller worte this ep???
What the fuck is going on? Since when Larson like to tell bronies to fuck off? He always liked the banter about ponies and he himself didnt liked Fluttershy learning the same lesson all over again.

It's good to show contempt for your audience.

Remember when people liked the episodes because they were good, and not because lol u mad le salt xdd lmao?

>>30709750
>not being able to laugh at yourself

>>30709661
>Shitty episode. Why are all the episodes shir when they try to write them for bronies?
As if anyone other than bronies is going to know it's for bronies. Step outside of your own bubble for a while fella.

>>30709749
Larson wrote Slice of Life, he likes to mess with the fandom in a loving way.

I'm just mad that of all things, they chose to make an episode to tell us this. It just damaged the show

>>30709745
>writers make this in hopes that bronies will stop reeeeing so they can be lazy
increase shitpost production

>>30709645
OH FUCK

>>30709749
Larson didn't write the episode, they only used the premise, which he did years ago.

>>30709726
Really the only reason I watch this is the hope that the next episode will be a good one, and sometimes that hope does come true.

>>30709733
Just disappointed. The days where I got worked up over the show ended somewhere in S4.

I know this is a meta episode that won't have much influence on future episodes but I still feel so bad for Rarity and Fluttershy, they never deserved what they got.

We call Rarity a whore but it's only because we love.

>>30709610
Ok, this go directly the top 10 of the worst episode of all the franchise.

Really, an entire episode for say "bronies are stupid, our target are only little girls"?

>>30709750
You're a fan of My Little fucking Pony. Get over yourself. Can you seriously not take one episode of self reflection out of fucking hundreds?

>>30709756
We've already been doing that for years. This episode just comes off as bitter.

>>30709610
EPISODE REVIEW
It was a mediocre episode, roughly a 4/10 in my opinion. Not too bad but also not really anything special, tons of meta jokes, some were kinda funny, most weren't.

Biggest problems with the episode were that it leaned too heavily on meta jokes and jabs at the fandom and that most of these jokes were mere statements of fact ("Pinkie Pie is seen by fans as a stupid joke dispenser", "Fans complained that Fluttershy learned to be assertive too many times", "Fans complain about Twilight having wings").

The problem here is that these aren't really 'jokes' they're more just meta-references to the fandom. Simple statements of "this is a thing that people talk about" and this is where the episode truly falls flat.

A more well written version of this episode would PARODY the ideas and meta-references rather than just state them outright and hope that the fact that it's a meta-reference will alone be enough to make people laugh. Ultimately this felt like a script that was written using half-baked ideas for a meta episode that were never fleshed out into actual jokes. What's more the plot of the episode is basically non-existent, sacrificed for these bland, unfunny meta-references.

So yeah. Really meh episode even if you don't take it personally.

>>30709761
This was not loving this was fucking insulting.

Someone post an episode link so I can through my shit too.

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>>30709775
it's only you that thinks that, bud

>>30709763
>Try to tell us for years with interviews and tweets
>Ungrateful Brony fucks still don't get the message
>Forced to make an episode to finally hammer in the message
It's your own fault

>>30709779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNJ6dFwh8a4

>>30709749
Larson did not write this, he had the original idea, then Miller (and probably Vogel) made sure to say before it came out that everything was Larson's idea when they had just mutated it into their distasteful shit

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>>30709788

>>30709754
the people here like both

>>30709745
I would personally argue that they're specifically pointing out that the characters themselves aren't perfect and that they have deep character flaws that take a long time to change.

Believe it or not, characters having flaws is a good thing. If they were flawless then everything would be boring.

By the same rite it would be boring if once they touched on something it was completley resolved for the rest of time and never touched on again. That's not how people work and that's not how good characters work. In the real world and in good writing change can be fast and final, but it's often slow and methodical.

The song literally says that "they're works in progress" meaning that they have a story to tell and they're working on bringing the characters forward through that story, instead of just making up some excuse to polish off all their flaws and retire them like some used up racehorse.

Link?

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Would you feel better about this episode if they had an older pony share his appreciation with the fillies in the end? Personally I didn't take it as "it's for little girls", they're just the stand-in for people who don't nitpick everything and focus on the lessons.

>>30709810
(You)

>>30709797
This make fun of fans in genaral, not a specific category.

>>30709789
Larson seems to imply this ep was not supposed to represent how he sees the fandom: https://twitter.com/M_A_Larson/status/896404077776519168

>>30709771
then either stop watching the show or stop bitching

>>30709789
that's because Miller (and probably Vogel) wrote it, they just took Larson's original idea, none of Larson remains in this episode

>>30709798
This. They only put Larson's name on it to stay safe from the fandom attacks.

>>30709796
Funny thing is this was in the ep too

>>30709789
Yes exactly. And that's evidence that Larson wasn't very involved with it. Don't forget he already said it barely even resembles his original script, aside from the premise

Anybody have a link to the episode? I missed it by literally minutes...

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This entire thread.

>>30709826
>either agree with me or fuck off
You sure you're on the right site?

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>>30709796
>implying we'll listen

Reminder that if you felt offended by this episode it just means you're part of the problem with this fandom

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>>30709779
But the show literally exists to sell toys to children. Are you just learning this now?

Also the lesson wasn't "BRONIES R DUMB". It was that getting so worked up about it tends to make you miss the actual point of things. Complaints and criticism are fine, but not delusional autistic rants that completely miss the intent of the media.

Also it's not a mistake that the problem wasn't really resolved at the end. That was simply the show stating they will continue to the best of their ability, no matter what.

>>30709645
Please tell me someone recorded that

>>30709821
Yes, because general animaniacs fans in the 90's were 20-40 year old computer nerds discussing the show on the early internet before it ever was mainstream.

We criticize the show because we love it and we want to see it get better. I figured that was obvious but it seems like whoever wrote this episode is taking it personally.

>>30709797
The spergs in the animaniacs version seem exaggerated enough that pretty much anybody can look at them and say "well, at least I'm not THAT bad". Whereas here the ponies are practically quoting widely held, somewhat-reasonable opinions and criticisms about the show.

>>30709812
okay, sure characters have flaws. but the problems that they have werent intentional flaws.

twilight having wings, fluttershy not being assertive, pinkie being annoying. these were all accidents by the incompetent writers.

like I said, its an excuse for bad charatecter development

>>30709841
not telling him to agree just suggesting that he shouldn't keep bothering himself with a show he doesn't even like anymore and hasn't liked for 3 years

>>30709825
>shit episode laughing at the fandom
>they use Larson's name to avoid criticisms
>Larson has nothing to do with this clusterfuck
So not only they laugh at the fandom, whoever did this is a fucking coward. Super neat.

Please help
Where can I watch the restream

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>>30709819
The issue is that the criticisms they used in-show are basically lifted word for word from the fandom.
If they used parody criticisms like "This pony had too many lessons" for fluttershy instead of literally "Be assertive already" it wouldnt be so bad.
As it is, this episode's secondary title could be "Fuck off."

>>30709863
This. Why keep watching if you no longer enjoy it?

>>30709859
>widely held, somewhat-reasonable opinions and criticisms about the show

Take a step back and see how that too might be seen as tunnel vision.

>>30709819
the message wasn't lost on me but I feel having a few ponies of varying ages, maybe even non-ponies sneaking into the palace to talk about the book seriously and try to understand lessons that didn't full make sense would have been better than just two young fillies, indicate the vocal minority that look into the lessons themselves rather than the characters

So according to this episdoe MLP staffs are keep an eye on fandom's opinons since 2014 am I correct?

>>30709610
You realize this is the episode they chose to air during Bronycon.

>>30709844
So much this.

>>30709840
fucking this
never change /mlp/

>>30709871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyV6dK5vWyw

It cuts off a chunk though, so you might be better off just waiting fora decent rip

>>30709610
I need a download of this quick. So many caps, so little time

>>30709853
>we love it and we want to see it get better.
How will your opinions improve the show? Do you really think writters come here for ideas? You all just end up in a circlejerk that nobody cares about.

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HERE WE GO

Now everyone will think that Larson is the one that laugh of the fandom and say that only little girls matter.

Larson don't deserve this

>>30709845
> But the show literally exists to sell toys to children
it's important to keep in mind that it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be bad. Lauren "panzer" Faust pretty much went off toys would be sold if the show was good on it's own merits.

season 2 and up started new toy product placement intergration, season 1 was a bit more self contained in the little town n nature n shieeet

>>30709893
>he doesn't know about derpy

>>30709863
>>30709879
It's not that I don't like the show at all. There are still good episodes I like and rewatch, there's just more episodes I don't like inbetween now. I still care for the characters and the world and I'm still curious what happens next. I'm in too deep to suddenly back out completely and not watch the next episode, even if it turns out to be bad.

>>30709853
>>30709864
This.
Whoever ACTUALLY wrote this episode is a fucking insult to the show and its original design.

>>30709893
apparently
>WINGS

>>30709893

it's more that they're right here with us and hear all the stupid bitching.

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>>30709610
>we want a meta episode
>we want a Pokemon episode about fat nerd playing vidya games(pokemon) instead going outside
>Hasbro thinking its a good idea

I love this episode. It's so fucking hilarious that the staff dedicated an entire episode saying "FUCK YOU" to the fandom. Holy fuck I'm still laughing a little.

>>30709904
we know the truth Anon, don't worry
also fucking this >>30709913

>>30709903
This episode directly contradicts your post, famalam. They clearly got inspiration from the fandom's complaints and channeled it into the episode as the conflict.

https://mobile.twitter.com/M_A_Larson/status/896407881678962688?p=v

I'll just leave this here.

>>30709860
Well, here's the thing, that's your opinion.

You're welcome to that opinion though I and many others here and elsewhere disagree with it. Understand that and please don't try to present it as if it's an inarguable fact, as it isn't.

I'm not saying that the show is perfect by the way, there are plenty of flaws in the writing. I just personally think that many of the things that people say are bad writing are actually very good writing and that the people who say otherwise are simply misinformed.

Though again, that's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree with me if you like. That's just par for the course.

>>30709904
Fuck off, relicariox.

>>30709929
Yeah... after seven seasons.

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:^)

>>30709610
Eh. There is worse. I don't get to what end they put manpower in making such an episode, but alright.

Why do people keep bringing up Larson, I thought he didn't work on the show anymore?

>>30709904
based Larson we're sorry Jim tried to drag you down to his level
https://mobile.twitter.com/M_A_Larson/status/896407881678962688?p=v

>>30709901
Thank you so much. That's all I needed

>>30709951
He doesn't, but that didn't stop them from slapping his name on the episode.

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THANK JIM MILLER

I want cute poners doing cute things not some meta shit. That's not the show I loved.

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We need to find out who the fuck wrote this, it's not fair for larson to get shit on from idiots after one of his idea's is mutilated like this.

I'm betting it was jim, only for the "the show is only for little girls" bit.

>>30709946
Slice of life was in season 5.

>>30709951
Jim tried to lay the blame of the inevitable shitstorm on Larson by saying he wrote it when he was still on the show and they finally got around to doing it

It was pretty awful, and I'm usually forgiving about the show. To the extent that I enjoyed most of season 6.

It just felt like Jim got tired of bitching about the fans on twitter and decided to take it directly to the show.

>>30709895

it makes me wish i could have been there. damn man.

>>30709932
>Bronies getting their feelings hurt
10/10 episode

>>30709948
No, it means that those who learn nothing from the show and get caught in moronic discussions are cancer, everyone else is fine.

>>30709933
Im only talking about the problems that the writers brought up. Such as pinkie pie being incredibly obnoxious and poorly written in almost every episode. The writers clearly stated that in the episode. But Instead of taking responsibility for their shitty writing, they just brush it off as character development.
Do you disagree with that?

>>30709967
Excellent work anon

>>30709840
that's actually whoever wrote it

Larson is even put down on the official wiki as the writer now I'm getting mad

>>30709970
After taking it directly to one of the panels where he essentially mocked older fans, in front of an audience of older fans.

>>30709610
SUCH A GLORIOUS AMOUNT OF SALT. TRULY A LOVELY DAY

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Our future

>>30709962
Based Larson continues to be based. Not going to let the faggots responsible for this steaming turd make it his fault.

It's just a pain we don't know who actually wrote it because of all the lies and deception. Though that was probably deliberate.

>>30709995
Jim's a fucking coward and declined the writing credit. What a shocker.

Did you guys ever think what would happen in their world if they became celebrities. Not only celebrities but celebrities who basically shared their life experience with you? People and in this case ponies become VERY opinionated about that person and feel the need to validate their opinions with that celebrity even if it's out right slander.

>>30709995
We can't let this guy/gal get away with this! Who fucking wrote this turd?

>>30709966
SoL acknoledged the fandom, MaM told the fandom to stop being retard.

Anyone who feels personally targeted by this is worse than tumblrite SJW's.

Sonic Boom's Chris-chan episode was on a wholly different level from this.

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HELLO THIS IS JIM
THE SHOW IS FOR LITTLE GIRLS DO NOT COMPLAIN IT IS NOT FOR YOU. THANK YOU.

someone needs to spam the show staff social media to get answers cause I refuse to let based Larson take the fall for this turd

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but
proper episode link where

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>>30709726
I hate this argument. I watch the show because I love MLP. And because I love it, it infuriates me when others don't care as much as I do, doubly so when it's the very people making the show.

>>30709999
Confirmed

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>>30709985
Thank you.

>>30710007

At least the original writer don't hide with the name of another writer

>>30709967
kek

>>30709986
Believe it or not, I do disagree with that statment.

>>30710020
Hold on

So Im not allowed to criticize the show because its not targeted for me?

okay.

>>30710007
I don't think anyone here feels personally targeted. There's just no reason to publish an episode like this unless the writers themselves think it's a good idea, which means whoever wrote this was pretty salty about the brony fandom.

But seriously guys, episode itself was unnecessary but I had some laughs and Starlight's role was great in this. I think this episode was okay. not bad at all.

>tfw I haven't even watched the episode yet, but now I can't even enjoy it knowing how screwed over Larson got.

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>>30710023
>doubly so when it's the very people making the show.
They're the people who should care the most, and it hurts that they're not, it's just a job for them.

>>30710007
i don't feel personally targeted but this episode was pretty bad

>>30710039
Wait. what do you disagree with, pinkie pie being an idiot, or the writers trying to brush off their shitty writing?

>>30709967
(((Writer)))

>>30710005
That's the thing. Whoever it was they've completely shunted all credit onto Larson so that no one will ever know who actually wrote the damn thing.

My guess is that the person responsible realized after the fact that the episode would come off as petty and spiteful towards the fandom but it was too late to change it because they already recorded all the voice lines and such so they just changed the writing credit to avoid having to deal with the backlash personally.

Basically, the writer of this episode KNEW that it was an attack on the show's fans and that there would be a negative response to it so they pre-emptively shifted the blame to someone who was no longer around to refuse the credit.

>>30710020
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ws2e3
Found it in somewhere in /mlp/

>applejack is popular

metaness ruined right then and there.

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SoL was a "heey fandom is full of weird faggots, but we're all faggots here in the writers' room!" love letter from Larson.

This episode is a petty and pretentious attempt at a lecture towards the fagdom.

The fags of fagdom probably deserves the ragging, but this is an especially terrible episode in every objective metric. If the show truly is supposed to be for little girls, then why the fuck are they airing episodes like this to begin with?

>>30709999
But I actually laughed

>people offended by this episode
good, grow up

>not offended just disappointed
nah son you buttblasted and fuming

8/10 episode, thread made it 11/10

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>>30710041
you're not allowed to criticize the show because you can't catch the real message of the episode when they spell it out for you

>>30710070
It was too obvious to be pretentious

>>30710068
The fandumb isn't the meta.

>>30710007
The (REAL) writer covered their tracks by besmirching Larson's name. You are genuinely retarded if you can't see how salty they are about the fandom. This episode is literally proof of it.

>>30710045
Given the knowledge that there's way, way worse assblasted "bronies" than the average anon on /mlp/ I would forgive any staff member for being " a bit salty" with the fandom.

>>30709967
Brilliant

>>30710045
I feel personally targeted, they basically said they hated the brony fandom

>>30709967

>https://derpibooru.org/1508884

Thanks for the ban, derpibooru mods

>>30710072
hehehehe

>>30710007
I don't understand why a show would just shit on its fanbase like that. What does it have to gain exactly? it just seems petty. It's not aggravating to me it's just a baffling decision. What makes it aggravating is the writing crediting to Larson. There's a lot of weird fuckery in this episode that just seems to come down to an incompetent writing staff.

>>30710080
It probably wasn't even one person that had a hand in this.

Remember that no matter how pathetic you are, you'll never be as pathetic as the real writer of this garbage who hid his name behind Larson's to avoid backslashing.

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>>30709788
The fact that ENTIRE WORLD around ponies needed to be flanderised to portray Bronydom was a fucking cheap move. Especially since none of them will remeber this happening next episode. The cartoon might have as well show a fat head of Jim Miller reading the script to the audience.

Of course the fat virgin is too afraid to insert his own name under the episode.

>>30709913
You and the two people you >>'d are dumbasses.
I didn't even see the episode and I know they're only referencing what is only jokes at this point.

Like, the only people I can see thinking like this are the people that legitimately hated Twilicorn.

So what'd you all think of the Song? I liked it, style of songs this Season seems quite different though

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*canned audience laughter*

>>30710068

no, that's even more meta. because she's actually a background pony. get it?

>>30709810
Thanks Jim

>>30710100
>I didn't even see the episode
stopped reading there.

>>30710072
t. somone who clearly doesnt care about the quality of the show

>>30710006
Derpy was in S2 already you fucking clown, they've know for a long time.

At least they could show that exist even good adult fans..instead no, just kids are good.

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>>30710107

>>30710072
Hi Jim!

Episodes like this would like you to think that children are easy to please. Writers and other show staff who met kids at cons and answered their questions know this is wrong. Some of the hardest questions at cons get asked by kids. Why did they ignore the times kids blew them the fuck out?

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If you are reading this then there is a good chance you are a grown-ass man spending time discussing which horse is the best horse in a show about magic horses for little girls.

If you can't step outside of yourself enough to laugh at this then there is a good chance you have some serious problems.

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I love how starlight says
>HITTLER DID NOTHING WRONG

They salvaged Larson's script for this, right? Whatever happened to CMC?
>"Thanks, Twilight. We're gonna use this fame to start a summer camp."
>"Thats not what the book was about."
From that it goes into everyone not knowing the real ponies behind the book, to mane6 singing about not being perfect. And ending with some kids learning from it, as was ment to be.

Everyone was on character, including overly aggressive glimglam, but the scene-by-scene build up is odd. Its hard to be mad about the meta, since all of the meta end up being true. Is the episode itself meta by being based on unfinished script and so flawed?

>>30710072
>he doesn't want the show to be good
How beta are you?

>anons got so salty they're starting to unironically defend the brony fandom now
Simply fabulous, darling.

>>30710073
>get the message
>occasionally the message hits close home (family related stuff for example)
>still criticize the show because muh lore

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>>30709845
That fucking happenig in literally EVERY FUCKING SHOW WITH A FANBASE. They only either proved that they are autistic or somehow need to make an episode about non relevant matter.

What next. PLS DONT MAKE PORN ABOUT US!!! episode? And turn Ponyville into perverts????

>>30710130
I can laugh at myself, but I can still admit that this was a shitty fucking episode

>>30710130

cheers!

>>30710059
I totally agree that sometimes Pinkie Pie can be over the top and at times it can be grating, though in most cases I wouldn't say that it's bad writing.

There are instances where they do legitimatley take it too far, though there are a lot of instances where I see people bitch about her being obnoxious where her being obnoxious was actually an important part of the plot of the episode.

Take Rock Solid Friendship as an example. A lot of people were upset that Pinkie was a total sperg in that episode, and you know what? She was a total sperg in that episode. However she has good reason to be a sperg in that episode and it actually was the main point of the plot.

She was sperging out because she cares a lot about her sister and she wants her to stay in Ponyville and be happy, so she went overboard and actually ended up pushing her away instead.

Say Pinkie didn't sperg at all in that episode, what would have happened? Well, the premise wouldn't have worked at all.

Now, you can argue that in that case the premise shouldn't have been used to begin with, and then I will cede that you argument could hold some merit and we could discuss that, but as the episode was written she was required to be at the level she was for it to work, and it was reasonable for her to act as such as it fit with her previously established character and motivations.

That being said, the screeching at the beginning was unnecessary.

>>30710134
we're hitting meta levels that shouldn't be possible

>>30710094
For fuck's sake anon are you new to cartoons?
Every cartoon, especially long running ones with an established fandom, have episodes like this.

Hell, even SU had one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOfyBy5Yes&t=1m38s

>/mlp/'s actually defending brony fandom
man, we used to be make fun of those faggtos. this sucks. I laughed so hard when I wathcing this episode. fucking autists.

>>30710094
>What does it have to gain exactly?

Laughs. I never get how people get offended by those episodes. They're more often than not targeted at the extremists in the fandom.

>>30710139
>things that never happened
(You)

>>30710130
doesn't actually hit the issues mentioned in the thread.

honestly it seems people are just starting to spout random shit and bait in hopes of a tasty (you) now or (((writer))).

>>30709904
>>30709962

>can't upload the tweet either

Derpibooru mods are extra shill today

>>30710131
I can't believe they actually got Sam Raimi to write an episode. Too bad they couldn't credit him.

As someone who unironically loved STFF, and thinks that Quibble was a great character, I think that this episode was fucking shit.

Waaaaait a fucking second.
Does 'AJ treating strangerd like families' refer to our AiE fanfics?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT NO

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>We want to come inside, Rainbow Dash!
How did they got away with that?

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>>30709610
>more rarijack trash
thanks hasbro

>>30709775

Im pretty sure Rarity's haters got the most time and bashing cause she's Larson's favorite of the M6.

>>30710165
Hah, yeah, good one fellow channer.

I'm confused, what "legitimate criticisms" did this episode mock?

>>30710172
>honestly it seems people are just starting to spout random shit and bait in hopes of a tasty (you) now or (((writer))).
that's exactly what's happening. There's so many fish swarming around right now some people just can't help themselves but to put a little bait out there and see what bites.

>>30710165
> I wathcing
> faggtos.
Green and purple green and purple green and purple?
baaaaarn- bred?
>>30710183
> our
(((what))).

>>30709848
>because general animaniacs fans in the 90's were 20-40 year old computer nerds discussing the show on the early internet before it ever was mainstream.
And?

>>30710174
Based mods. Know your place, autists.

today's episode felt like slap on face with a dick multiple times

>>30710103
It was fine, not my style though. I liked that it didn't fix everything.

>>30709985
Like a lot of people in this thread. Butthurt triggering from a cartoon.

>>30710174
Are you shitting me?

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>the show staff make fun of adult bronies at convention for pickin on Fluttershy storyline or hating on Twilicorn

>they ignore little girls shipping the characters and bothering the show staff on twitter about Sparity and Fluttercord

I guess they didn't wanted to insult the intended audience.

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>people like this rated the episode 10/10

>>30710165
hmm i wonder who could be behind this post

>>30710183
retard

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>>30710207

>>30710207
You deserved it.

>>30710211

Rule 3

Not pony related

>>30710125
Any examples?

((( ))) are posting

>>30709750
>It's good to show contempt for your audience.

Most of the people this episode was mocking are not fans at all

Fans of the fandom went from being an insult to being something people are proud of, aka people who don't support the show in any way and use it as a subculture rather than actually being a real fan. Any show would have contempt for that

>Perfect Pear happens
>THIS episode happens
hmm...
REALLY makes you think...

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>>30710214
>negative critique is bad because it can hurt the creators feelings!

>>30710198
>Fluttershy episode rehashes
>one or more of the mane 6 being useless
>inconsistent continuity
Those are the ones I can remember right now

>>30710230
hasn't this kind of stuff of relevance been up before

just not critical stuff

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>>30710007
I bet the people who feels targeted by this will say the writers hate the fandom and ignore the fact of all the fandoms have these kind of people.
Also they will ignore the moral. >>30709985

>>30710231
Any time a kid points out a plothole, or talks about shipping. They actually don't act like the M6 at the end, they are shitty to kids too. Haven't you seen recent cons?

this felt like a s1 episode to me for some reason and i really loved it. i love that they shit on the book at the start -- as if to say the format of the early show was awful.

>>30710214
Except some of us who argue against the endless critisim of certain aspects of the show still don't give a fuck about the writers.

They can get bent if they get upset because people don't like their work. They should understand that their work should stand on it's own merit and to a certain extent they can disregard the opinions of the people crying out against them.

That being said, valid critisim is still valid critisim and it should be shared. Though your definiton of valid and mine might differ quite a bit.

>>30710165
/mlp/ has the fandom's most autistic fans, only surpassed by the various chrischans here and there. The sense of separation or superiority is one of the cringiest things about it, like a shit eating hobo looking down on another for fishing out of a trashcan

>>30710165
It's a different board. I don't come around much these days because thin skinned babies have forced themselves to the front of everything. Just obnoxious.
>>30710196
Good comeback, be sure to cap your post for your EQD pals to see.

>>30710242
wtf I hate the show now

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>>30710230
explain

>>30710103
I loved the song, it says what so many people don't get about the show. Too many faggots watch waifu animes I guess where every character exists only to pander to their fetish

>>30710214
>you are allowed to be critic except when it hurts muh fee fees
Them don't go to fucking fandom websites like a retard, don't interact with fans without expecting some criticism you turbo faggot, learn how to filter the good criticism from the autism so you can improve too

>>30710230
There are literally dozens of twitter screencaps on the site tho, How is this any different?

If fans ignore morals and have no valid input, why did Miller openly say that the writing for Spike from S5 on was directly in reply to people criticizing his role in the show?

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>it's like the Wacky Delly episode of Rocko's Modern Life but less funny.

>>30710230
>damage control confirmed
oooohh shit
what's this?

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(((derpibooru insider))) write this?

/mlpol/ was right again!

I feel so bad for Larson. Jim set him a trap and now he will get all the shit about this episode.

>>30710285
>filename
And of course it's given to fucking glimmer.

>>30710285
I am patiently waiting for the filly lesbian porn

>>30710174
>>30710230
>>30710275

>twitter about the episode telling that Larson episode stay
>they delete the ones that Larson say that he didn't write the episode

I fucking hate that place

>>30710305
>pol
F U C K O F F
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>>30710158
So you think they only took a stab at pinkie pie being annoying because of that one episode?
pinkie pie has been poorly written for the past few seasons, do you really think they were planning that far head for rock solid friendship? do we just accept the shitty writing because it was all for character development?

>>30710315
stop replying to yourself

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>>30710261
Nice analogy

>>30710252
>>30709985
These, so much

I take pleasure in the salt these episodes create, not because I generally like that, but because you faggots deserve it. Us who have always enjoyed the show are sick of you idiots who just don't get what it's all about or what the message is

>>30710320
Pinkie Pie rarely has been good written... even in S1, S2 era

>>30710305
the pic
>patreon users

>>30710310
Probably some kind of stupid conspiracy that I can't even be bothered to give a shit about.

>>30709985
THIS

>>30710245
>Fluttershy episode rehashes
Perfectly explained, it's what i've always said.
>one or more of the mane 6 being useless
>inconsistent continuity
when did they mention these?

>>30710320
I said that was just an example, dude, try to keep up please.

If you want to address my argument directly then I'll be waiting.

>>30710111
Thanks for giving me that valuable information.

>>30710331
you're legitimately retarded if you think pinkie was poorly written in season 1&2

>>30710353
SCREAMING PINK RETARD

>>30710350
I'm not going to spoonfeed you, faggot. Just watch the episode like everyone else. Form your own shitty opinions.

>>30709845
>Also the lesson wasn't "BRONIES R DUMB". It was that getting so worked up about it tends to make you miss the actual point of things. Complaints and criticism are fine, but not delusional autistic rants that completely miss the intent of the media.

The problem in the episode there is no distinction. The adult are all bad fans.

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>>30710310
I run a crawler that grabs derpi images the second they're uploaded, no such tweet was uploaded or deleted. The only deletion was pic

The writers want audiences to learn the lessons told from their work and enjoy/appreciate what is given to them, but instead, said audience is
-Boasting about a pony, to the point where they consider them best pony and refusing to see flaws (Rainbow Dash)
-Complaining about a pony for their flaws and refusing to see any positives, to the point where they consider them worst pony (Rarity)
-Trying to make other characters involved with others, like making them a family, kind of like making an OC related to an official character or even have that OC make a family with said character (Applejack)
-Whining about how there’s a lack of development for a character when there were clear signs of it and when they do see it, they shrug it off and don’t care for it (Fluttershy)
-Never understanding what makes a character enjoyable to begin with and just like said character just because (Pinkie Pie)
-Putting the work into a display just to collect dust when it should have been read or seen so the person could actually learn something, but instead, they make it a collectors item (Twilight Sparkle)

The episode was enjoyable and while these situations hit too close to home, I can see where they’re getting at.


refute this if you can

>>30710121
Okay, stop. It went from funny to a way to silence people with positive opinions. No different than "lol shill".

>>30710253
I can't watch that much concentrated autism.

>>30710364
(Me)

>>30710346
>one or more of the mane 6 being useless
The part about Rarity
>inconsistent continuity
right towards the end, before the song

@30710364
fricking epic bro, you showed them pesky bronies /)

>>30710364
Here's your (You) kid, now go play in traffic.

>>30710372
This

>>30710372
No, that's pretty spot on.

I would say that this episode would still be pretty good even if none of this stuff had any metacontext though.

Why does this episode upset people?
It is very average.

>>30710372
>The writers want audiences to learn the lessons told from their work
but people still do.
this was just the writers being salty that there work isnt praised to perfection

>>30710372
I probably could refute some, but it's not really worth it. I've already stopped caring about this episode. I'll see you guys next week.

Where can I watch it if I missed the stream?

>>30710372
Refute what?
That you found the episode enjoyable?

Personally i didnt, far too meta and basically turns equestria into a kingdom of assholes.
Parodied criticisms from obvious caricatures would have worked better.
Like a bunch of fillies that like it for simple reasons with a group of adults that over analyse things and the episode ends with a family discussing the book together.
That's literally what the show was supposed to be, something that a family could watch together instead of only being enjoyable for little girls.

This ep in a shellnut: TheFandom.mp4 Alternatively, 2meta4me

>>30710403
It's like when you yell "hey, retard!" in a crowd and someone turns around and asks "What?". This is that.

>>30710364

lol did you make that yourself

>>30710372
What I don't get is why they would bother with making an episode about it if they don't like the fandom doing this kind of stuff, all this shit is done by pretty much any fandom and its not like wasting an episode talking about it will make it stop, if they are so bothered by it why not just cut the ties with the fandom them?

Plus the target audience also being capable of doing all this shit, its like the writers are butthurt because people are criticizing the show instead of blindly praising it at its lowest points (which do exist regardless of how hard you try to turn the criticism into I AM SILLY JUST TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN BRO)

>>30710372
This.

The only thing in the episode that really shouldn't be there was the comment about Twilight's wings. The Journal's first entry was Castle Mania, which was after she got her wings in the first place.

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>>30710372
>enjoy/appreciate what is given to them
We'd enjoy/appreciate it a little more if they actually put effort into their work instead of hiding behind the target audience as though they're dumb, don't understand and don't deserve the utmost effort on the part of the writers.

That said, I've enjoyed most episodes, they haven't all been stellar, and many have glaring problems. This is going to result in criticism, and the writers, the very people who should care the most about the quality of their work and this show discard it. It shocks me that Hasbro isn't purging the writing staff for how volatile some of them can be, Jim Miller comes to mind. Where is the oversight on this, where is Hasbro's quality control? The writers are essentially telling the older fans to go fuck themselves, the very fans who made this IP make bank to begin with, the higher ups cannot be blind to this.

>>30710427
I
GOT
YOU
SENPAI
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ws2e3

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>We wanna know why Fluttershy keeps learning the same thing over and over
And this here was the point for when they stopped being obtuse about the intent of the episode and just went balls deep with it. What the fuck is this shit. The episode could have attempted to go for the same point it allegedly goes for without needing to be so in your face about it. Showing this much awareness of the fandom in an episode that tries to take itself seriously is really awkward to watch.

>>30710382
>Rarity
Seemed to me that they just didn't like her, not that she was superfluous to the plot or anything.
>right towards the end, before the song
the reporter? he says that her character would've been more interesting in canterlot.
he also says that it doesn't seem believable that they would be friends.
Neither are common criticisms or related to consistency.
I'd also like to point out that many of the ponies picking sides and being stupid cunts were also children.
I liked the episode desu.

>>30710455
It's for little girls, it can be shit because girls deserve shit! If you think otherwise you're an obnoxious fan.

Will there be any changes to the fandom after this? Probably if we didn't know >>30710372 before, but we do.

>>30710431
This episode is just being meta in a fun way.
If I was going to rewrite the episode, it would be about how the mane cast can't take criticism with Fluttershy and Spike being the voices of reason.

The fact that Spike isn't in the episode shows that they needed an easy way out.

>>30710447
>It shocks me that Hasbro isn't purging the writing staff for how volatile some of them can be, Jim Miller comes to mind. Where is the oversight on this, where is Hasbro's quality control?
As long as it's making money they don't care.

>>30710455
This so much, it feels fucking weird, they claim to be all about the little girls yet waste their time fighting an army of autists who will just go back to what they were doing after a couple of days

>>30709363

4/10 I don't really know how to rate this episode because it's pretty much the opposite of Slice of Life and thus too meta to rate as an episode of the show.
Honestly a fairly fun episode, I laughed at some of the jokes, the premise was decent and the lesson isn't completely wrong either. However the execution is lacking, like some have said the scenes feel too scrambled together instead of having good flow and Spike really should have been the one to fetch the fillies at the end. Besides that, there's the obvious meta humour. The episode is just way too meta for this show. The things they mention aren't wrong and I actually like a lot of the depictions, but it's just too exaggerated for Equestria and ultimately comes off as mean. I can see that that probably isn't the intent and they just wanted to poke fun at the fandom and the exaggeration is needed for the plot, but the combination just makes it look like they are attacking the fandom, and as this thread shows many people are taking it that way. The song isn't bad either, but the chorus sounds really weird, Ingram really doesn't seem to be having a good year.

The whole writer situation is also bizarre, considering how defensive Larson is being it seems like they're trying to hide behind his name considering they've had separate credits for idea, story and/or teleplay before. But on the other hand quite some of the jokes and also the premise itself feel very much like Larson's ideas, to the point where it seems that it's more or less a rough outline he did one day that they tried to turn into a proper script. It seems likely that Larson would've been more subtle with his fandom jabs, but the overall idea still seems very much like his doing, so I really can't wrap my head around this. Maybe it's a prior version of Slice of Life?

As an episode of any show, I'd say 7/10, but like Slice of Life, it's not a good FiM episode, and this time it wasn't well-done enough to excuse that.
Basically >>30709788

>>30710468
People will complain about it for a couple of days them forget it exists

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>>30709610
> Read episode description first time
> "Oh boy it sounds like their really getting back to friendship lessons and cute slice of life, I'm really looking forward to this!"
> Top Hype
> Day of actual episode
> Thirty minutes of the creators bitching about criticism from the fans
> Friendship lesson is literally, "Our fuck ups are what make the show special!!! And its for little girls anyway!!!"
> Has all the markers of a shit episode
> Garbage OCs
> Shilling starlight (I almost threw-up when she was going to go teach those meanies a lesson)
> Cringey dialogue and humor (LOOOORLL STARLITE HADS A MANIFESTO!!!!! XD)
> Shit-tier song, possibly worst of the series yet
When will they fuck off with this forced mane7 angle and constantly bitching about their critics and just go back to making cute ponies doing cute things?

>>30710475
They have to have taken note of the downturn in profits over the past few years, and there's no way their PR department hasn't noticed the actions of the writing staff on Twitter. Jim Miller's head in particular should have been put on a pike long before now, I've seen more important workers fired for less over comments made on social media.

>>30710455
non-canon episode damages the show. They were either very salty or don't care.
Or both

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>>30710364
Fukken saved.

An issue with meta stuff like this is that since these are written so in advance a lot of things feel weird by the point of airing.

Like Rarity being a massive hate target? that would of worked a few years ago, but nowadays you pretty much can't take 2 steps in the fandom without running into Rarifags.

And everyone worshiping Dash? She's probably one of the most complained about characters now.

>>30710497
I think this is the most accurate representation of my feelings. I was expecting a cute episode with friendship lessons and instead got the meta, jaded, stupid garbage complaining about the fandom.

>>30710499
> downturn in profits over the past few years
Isn't mulp as a whole earning more then ever

hell this gen probs would've not done so well without money filled autists collecting faggotry

>>30710497
>garbage OCs
You mean the G3 ponies?

I love the Main 6 so much

>>30710372
>>30710447
>>30710435
Why are people trying so hard to be offended? Having any one of those individual criticisms doesn't mean the show writers have a vendetta against you. They responded to those ones because they are so abundant. The only point they made is that you don't have to hate something for its flaws and can still get something out of the story as a whole.

You're acting like SJWs hyperventilating over a character in a video game not being a fat transvestite.

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>>30710522
>main

>>30710130
That's silly. The only reason anybody would think like that is because you give even the slightest fuck about what other people think about you.

Our standards (society's, that is) our literally part of the reason depression and bullying exist.
The thought process is as simple as "that dude likes My Little Pony, so I'll go over there and fuck with him for it", And the victim being "You know what? Yeah, I'm a pretty big weirdo, so I should hate myself for it".

I feel like "I don't give half a shit what you do as long as you're not hurting anybody" is a much better mentality.

>>30710513
I can dig that, though again I would argue that this premise still stands quite well without any of the metacontex holding it up whatsoever.

>>30710513
True, is all really obsolete.

>>30710497
The old show you and we loved is gone. As some anon puts it 'it's not a show for little girls anymore. It's a brony show'. So this happened

>>30710467
>Fluttershy states that she has progressed from where she started
>"LALALA THEY JUST WANT IT TO BE SHIT NO ARGUMENT LALALA"
It's like you want to be angry.

>>30710513
probably the point
everyone says hurr durr background pony, but appul is super popular
then everyone says ponk is annoying, but in the show they all say she's super funny
that or the people doing it just saw these things floating around somewhere and was like, "alright, sure"

>>30710513
Hence why they probably used the book. They stopped using that thing in S4.

was the message really that little girls were the target audience? I mean only those two fillies at the end were reasonable but like 2 dozen other fillies were being entitled little shits that were just as bad as the rest of the ponies or worse

1080p when?

Where was Spike, anyway? He was the only one who wrote lessons in the journal that wasn't even shown on screen.

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10/10 brilliant response to all cry babies ... my favourite part was the old pony comment on Twilight Wings... only way to top that could be if there was a comment on future Starlight Wings!!!

Going through the episode again, didn't notice there were some Ponies who were actually pleased after the song. Seemed some continued arguing, others didn't

>>30710513
really? I still see a bunch of hate for Rarity and autistic love for Rainbow here

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>Episode continuing to get 9s and 10s
>Insecure people crying because they think the writers hate them
>Feel personally attacked by episode as if they can't imagine that more autistic people than them exist in the fandom
That's not to say that some anons in this thread haven't had very legitimate criticisms of the episode, but it's being drowned out by people bawling about the writers supposedly frothing at the mouth over how much they 'hate' the fans. Learn to take things lightly and not feel attacked by everything.

>>30710552
I thought it was that people miss the point of the lessons and use certain parts for their argument.

So if I'm understanding all of this correctly, the writers missed the point of their own show again?

>>30710537
>The old show you and we loved is gone.
To be honest, I completely forgot about todays episode. I no longer enjoy it really. it's more like I have to watch it to stay up to date.

>They're shit because they're ignoring criticism by stating that they know that Fluttershy has learned the same lesson multiple times, and have stopped doing it.

...

You're not very good at this, /mlp/.

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>30710560
not even worth a (You) try harder next time

>>30710552
I don't think so, they said a dozen times in the episode that the problem was that people were focusing on the wrong things and looking at them without considering the greater context behind the stories.

It just so happened that the kids were the first ones to get it.

Keep in mind that there were those pegasus fillies who were just as bad as the adults, and the CMC had problems with it too.

>>30710563

For some reason there's a bunch of people here constantly trying to bait Rainbow and Rarity fans into fighting each other around here.

>>30710566
>I know I'm right but I need to keep posting the same witty remark every 5 minutes
You teach them Anon.

>>30710566
I'm mainly pissed at the lack of continuity that's going to be displayed next week when everypony forgets this happened.

Also the larson thing, hiding behind his name is just pure bullshit.

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>>30710552
>was the message really that little girls were the target audience?
No, that's just obvious, and some people are insecure as fuck about it

The message was that tons of people miss the message, and those people are not important, what's important are the people who do get it and that's what makes it, or anything in life, worth it

Hardly an original idea but retards and spergs here will make it all about themselves not realizing how they play into cliches that have existed since the beginning of time

>got to enjoy a decent episode
>got to enjoy a great song
>now i get to enjoy the most cancerous elements of mlp cry about it
I'm glad i stayed up for it.

>>30710572
No one even makes that Fluttershy complaint anymore. They stopped doing it. Now everyone is complaining about Glimmer. Come on, step it up!

>>30710563
RD is definitely more disliked than Rarity right now

>>30710569
No. All critique stated in the episode itself is either irrelevant, or dealt with.

>>30710554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nJJ6uebvOQ
If you're waiting for iTunes, it'll be another day or two

>>30710559
For the most part, the Main 6 wrote their own lessons in the journal. Spike wrote letters to Celestia, the Journal was introduced in S4. He wasn't there though, which is a bit strange, but who knows. Dude seemed to have missed an entire book launch though.
Unless he caught it and was arguing with others about Rarity

Fucking Ingram. Another song that doesn't even fit this show. EQG songs also suck now.
Any hope left for movie?

>>30709610
Would you niggers quit bitching about the meta humor? It's part of what made the episode great. The only two problems are that ending(i see you, Miller) and the excessive starshit nigger shilling(Vogel's doing, no doubt).

>>30710587
This, I would be giving people more (You)s here for missing it, but the irony is so perfect I don't have the heart to ruin it

So it's nothing but an attack on people who make images like this? PASS. Fuck G3 with Memebait.

>>30710585
Like how most will forget this episode when the next one rolls around?

>>30710570
Wow, same. The fact that I can't get off the ride and endure suffering like this is painful. I didn't even watch the new EQG shorts yet.

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>>30710519
Or at least the level of enthusiasm being shown for the brand is dropping, that alone should have them taking a closer look at how the show runners and their staff are doing things.

>>30710525
They're so abundant because they're valid, you're acting like this is the first time the writers have made meta episodes, but this one is by far the least subtle and the most petty.

They took valid criticisms of the show and deliberately downplayed them as though we're being unreasonable over this whole thing.

>It's just a show about friendship
>For little girls

Quality control is important, not the feelings of the writers, and they're making out the adult fans as unreasonable people for wanting a superior product. Would you buy a car that is an absolute crock of shit, complain to the manufacturer that they sold you a crock of shit, and then be perfectly calm when they tell you you're being unreasonable and that it's only meant to get you from point A to B, it doesn't matter if the air conditioning doesn't work, or the CV joints are squealing 90% of the time, or even that there's a big ass hole in the fuel line?

I sure as fuck wouldn't.

>>30710602
>Vogel
>Didn't even work on season 7
S T O P

>>30709610
Wait, what, WE'RE BACK?!

I think that the ending was a little weak, I'm not disappointed that the arguing didn't get solved in fact I'm glad it didn't even, but I feel lke there should have been more than just the fillies
maybe add ponies of varying backgrounds, ages, even some non-ponies
have them actually talk about the book parts of lessons they didn't understand, no more than 7 or so that look into the story to contrast the few dozen ponies outside arguing about the characters and stories
I just thought that would make for a better ending and maybe give it a decent lesson too

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Someone link me the website/archive with the download links for all mlp episodes please
I have a ton of catching up to do

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>>30710604
Forgot to add this

>>30710596
Spike wrote in the journal at least twice that I can remember.

>>30710616
Don't. It really isn't worth it.
Perfect Pear was perfect, though, you can watch that.

>>30710613
they're hiding behind Larson's name, you niglet.

>>30710585
they mostly forget about previous lessons anyway and they're only called upon when needed
also wtf is with this complaint anyway? little to no posts on the SoL episode bitched about this