>m-muh comfy SoL Is FiM becoming DEEPEST LORE?

>>30655104
>Messages of Friendship
Neat, an entire season of MMDW rehashes and "if you hate what your friends do, do the same!" Friendship, yay.

Slice of life stories are being split off into the new Equestria Girls series. From now on pony will be full adventure.

>>30655140
I could easily see this being the case, and S8 being the last before G4.5 Guardians of Harmony series.

>>30655140
Adventuuuuure Tiiiime Yeaaahhhh

actually not that hyped

>>30655152
Why?

>>30655140
>From now on pony will be full adventure.
I'll believe it when I see it. It's still gonna be stuff like "Rarity needs to produce x amount of dress on time" or "Rainbow Dash has to babysit some foals" or some boring shit like that.

>>30655235
I don't have a problem with SoL, I have a problem with boring episodes where characters learn nothing. Oh, and poorly paced ones that are really badly padded out.

>>30655104
What the fuck do any of these words mean?

>>30655140
Fuck off, eg is terrible and should not exist.

>>30655308
The stuff on the right is mostly empty words that impress investors.
Multi platform is self explanatory.

>>30655104
>One voice
All of the VAs will be fired and Vogel will do all of the voices

>>30655104
FIM hasn't been very successful with the hardcore audience outside of the show.

Nimble? Insights?
What does that mean?

>>30655140
shut your fucking mouth

>>30655338
Oh fuck

>>30655203

The same thing happened to adventure time around their season 3 and it split the fan base pretty hard. The show stopped being about Finn and Jake hanging around and fucking around and became dramatic and full of some hammy "deep developmental" character moments. I think it did wonders for the show, but it's not something I want for mlp. I will add that I'm in the camp that thinks th3 show should have ended with Twilight getting her wings. Season 4 wasn't too bad but there were a lot of sub par episodes in season 5, 6, and currently 7.

Gonna cut through corporate/creative BS here:

>Relatable characters
Fan favorite characters that make memes.

>Lore
Lots of retcons, and exploration of areas no one asked for while the questions that were around since S1 don't get answered.

>Messages of Friendship
26 episodes of MMDW clones.

>Insights
Getting feedback from fans, and ignoring it.

>One voice
IDW isn't allowed to publish stupid shit anymore.

>Multi-platform
Abandoning TV.

>Nimble
Able to respond quickly to "fan feedback" that you ignore and put in your own under the guise of "fans wanting it," such as giving FiM more Glimmer episodes or having IDW writers write for it.

>>30655140
They already missed out on SO much potential if they wanted to make this an adventure series, so at this point I wouldn't be interested if the show went in that direction.

>>30655104
i feel like it could have been about deepest lore if they established one or two people as the lore gods to make sure everything had continuity between writers, and writers could come to them to make sure something was alright.
instead we got a mess in season 1 and 2, and then an even bigger mess as people try to salvage the broken lore into something congruent.

Was this from an investor meeting or something?

>>30655419
>Getting feedback from fans, and ignoring it.
objectively false. in the recent directors panel at the german con jim said feedback about spike not having a very good role was a direct cause of the change of his use during season 6 and beyond.

>>30655660
They're doomsayers Anon, they don't listen to that kind of shit
The whole point of their existence is to try and sap the fun out of everything and say that it's shit, no matter what, why, or how

>>30655660
Link and timestamp?

>>30655690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV8Ij582i1E
18:11 is when the panel starts, but i dont know when exactly he talks about it.
its worth listening to the entire thing though.

>>30655699
I really need a timestamp, my dude.

>>30655699
i should clarify: worth listening to the entire directors panel.

>>30655705
if you care enough you can just listen to it. the directors panel isnt 8 hours long, its like an hour.

>>30655714
Ah, okay. I'll bite the bullet.

When was the last time we had an episode like Dragonshy?

>>30655738
in what way?

>>30655759
Small scale action adventure

Are we now on G4.5?

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>>30655104
I hope this road leads to an RPG video game, but on the other hand, I know it's gonna be shit.

>>30655763
maybe the journey to griffonstone?

>>30655779
that episode was still a character-based friendship lesson

>>30655799
but it was also a small scale action adventure.

>>30655804
what action was there?

>>30655806
the history of griffinstone, dash almost died

>>30655810
>dash almost died
don't remember this

>>30655419
>exploration of areas no one asked for while the questions that were around since S1 don't get answered.
>The Perfect Pear
>A Royal Problem
>The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone
>Brotherhooves Social

They clearly are, you're just ignoring it.

>>30655718
>>30655714
>>30655705
>>30655699
It's at 1:10:20.

>"A specific example is [criticism that sparks new ideas for future stories] I had people who were talking to me about how they felt Spike was sorta underused in some of Season 4 stuff and Season 5. Going into 6, we made more of an effort to try and involve him and you got like, Gauntlet of Fire, and you got well, for better or worse, Princess Spike. And the one last year with To Change a Changeling, [The Times Are a Changeling, he got confused with a similar sounding S7 episode] and I think those were really solid Spike episodes and its because of pieces of criticism I received- not me specifically, but bringing it to the attention of story editors and other people, like "We need to work on Spike a little bit more."'

>>30655104
what the fuck does nimble mean in that pic? (I know what it means, but makes no sense to me in the context they're trying to convey)

>>30655836
>Brotherhooves Social
In what part does this episode answer something from S1?

>>30655872
>and you got well, for better or worse, Princess Spike
wew they actually acknowledge that episode was shit?

>>30655812
Dash in the episode was left stranded at the edge of a cliff, well a ledge, she already had fallen. Winds to strong to just fly out and I am pretty sure that almost falling to your death would be an "almost died" situation.

>>30655881
i think everyone on the staff has.

>>30655419
Apart from the doomsaying and they will never fully abandon tv. Just push to more markets this is accurate.

I don't know how the creators are gonna explore "lore" that's completely wrecked and have nothing else to do with at this point.

>>30655881
>>30655904
They've acknowledged that that episode was shit since pretty much right after it aired. I think he was a bit confused since the reactions/criticisms he's talking about for S6 and beyond came about largely because of Princess Spike. He knows it was shit. He was talking about how his S6 episodes were a direct response to people saying that they really needed to make Spike episodes better, so they did.

>>30655914
thanks for your input, reddit

>>30655104
Less lore/adventure and more fanserivce

>>30655104
>lore

Oh boy, I can't wait for more 'hey look, this thing exists in Equestria' style exposition.

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>>30655918
fan service since s1.

>>30655904
Which hurts because as a spikefag who wants him to do well I liked princess spike and think he was portrayed as a competent leader.
Abuse of power aside he made only three bad decisions put of dozens. Not bad for a first timer.

>>30655951
*out of dozens

>>30655951
The decisions he made didn't even lead to the problems. That was the issue with the episode, that he was being punished for shit that he did not do, and we were all supposed to see it as him getting what he had coming to him for "abusing power."

>>30655951
the episode wasnt bad because spike did something wrong, it was bad because of the opposite. from contrived shit like the dragon sneeze flowers that suddenly existed to him being in trouble for doing the task he was assigned it was just a very shitty episode.

>>30655951
The biggest crime in that episode was the fucking modern day power tools

>>30655980
Fuck you I love chainsaws

>>30655132
Where the fuck is the logic in this comment.

>>30656042
There is none.

>>30655958
>>30655963
Maybe I should rewatch it then. A little afraid keeping that in mind will take me from loving the episode to hating it but it is something I have to do.
>>30655980
Power tools are the modern tech I am most willing to forgive because it seems so easy to make them work with magic. Not much different to tanks rotor blades.

>>30655880
It's development for Big Macintosh, a character who been established since E1, but given no real character outside of being Applejack's brother and saying Yes or No for the most part. Brotherhooves Social also delves in to the relationship aspect between the mane 6 and their family and what it's like to be associated with them (being national heroes essentially).

>>30656202
What about the Discord gag where he and clones he randomly made are on smartphones

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>>30656042

I think the idea is that the show's friendship messages have gone off the rails and are actually suggesting things that will turn little girls into feminista cunts.

People keep mentioning MMDW because it's the penultimate example of where the message is just genuinely wrong morally and it's real life application would be a social disaster at best and an actual crime at worse. They really, really need to not reinforce negative female behaviors like shunning, emotional manipulation and whatnot. It's shocking MMDW didn't teach the lesson that what the girls were doing was wrong when RD freaked out so hard she's just like "I HAVE NO TIME FOR THIS, I MUST BLOW UP THE HOOVER DAM".

Also that graphic is creepy because it lends credence to my argument; they're clearly rethinking what they can do with MLP as a piece of social training.

>>30656202
>A little afraid keeping that in mind will take me from loving the episode to hating it but it is something I have to do
its literally the only episode in the entire series that i cant find enjoyment in. if youre worried about it then just cling to your nostalgia.

>>30655881
>>30655912
>>30655904
This is why I don't understand the jimfag that's always raging about him. He's always claiming Jim doesn't listen to criticism and gets mad. But I've combed through his tweets and he's always respectful unless someone's critique amounts to "you're shit". He even tolerated Murrison of all people, one of the most obnoxiously autistic "fan" of any fandom that I have ever seen.

>>30656671
everything ive read that he said and everything ive heard him say in interviews leads me to believe hes a very reasonable guy. theres a handful of extreme autists here that have inflated everything about him to insane levels.

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There could as Elder Scrolls-esque hidden treasure trove of lore that could come out of MLP if developed right. The movie is going to introduce so many damn sentient races like hedgehogs, sea ponies, and birds. Each could have their own 1000+ year history like Equestria. I REALLY want someone to care about world-building on the MLP production team.

When are we gonna get a full world map?

>>30656671
Is murrison still a thing? I haven't paid attention for a year or two

>>30656702
Murrison is gone, but he's pretty much the reason why Spike isn't shit anymore.

>>30656692
Every year the map pulls out more.

>>30656692
season 16

by "lore" they probably just mean the Legends of magic shit that the second half of the season is going to revolve around.

>>30656726
he would certainly like to think so. it wouldnt surprise me if some of the staff appears in every episode sticky to get live feedback.

>>30656671
The jimfag literally doesn't understand the difference, i've literally never seen someone that insane on 4chan before.

>>30656743
Very likely.

>>30656689
>>30656747
Doompaulers love to extrapolate, contort, distort, and insert their own projections into people's words to the point they become completely unrecognizable from the original words. The mentally deficient believe their own conjecture to be indisputable fact and will call anyone a shill who questions them or ask for a more concrete source. It's just something people do to create artificial drama.

That and I'm 99% sure the jimfag is just a butthurt twitterfag that Jim blocked. I remember him making a few threads over a couple of days trying to turn everyone against him and we all just laughed at him when he posted his twitter caps of the conversation, showing Jim was justified in the block. This twitterfag was so ass-ravaged that I think he created a new account just to obsessively stalk Jim and mine for anything embarrassing he could find on Jim's Twitter and post it here in an attempt to humiliate and discredit him. He's genuinely mentally unstable. Wish I could find the archived threads. I'd post them just rile the jimfag.

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>>30656747

>>30656787
Good point

>>30655104
"multiplatform"

What the fuck does that even mean? this isn't a goddamned video game, you're not going to be releasing this on Xbox and playstation.

>>30656812
TV, web series, comics, books, toys, card games, app games, etc. are all different mediums or platforms.

>>30656812
>>30656823
All of that, but all united.

>>30655104
>Lore
I hope to fucking God they don't fuck this up. Lore is the biggest reason I love the show, as scattered and retconned they have made it aside.

If we can get future seasons that actually try and fix the lore inconsistencies and add more meaningful lore to be explored, I'll die a happy camper.

they probably won't

My Little Pony is not an anime.

>>30657137
equestria girls is a shit tier SOL high school anime

>>30657123
It's absolutely mental that we're even seeing Hasbro use "lore" to describe the story in My Little Pony.

>>30657123
how many retcons have there even been?

>>30657143
>opinion

>>30657149
The fact that they use it at all gives me the faintest light of hope that maybe, just maybe we've converged into a timeline where Hasbro actually learns from its mistakes and doesn't base its entire business model off of

>DUDE, TOY'S LMAO

Let us all hope.

>>30657137
look the humanized threads and see later

>>30657156
I have no idea, honestly, but if you were to watch every episode in order, you would definitely notice a lot of inconsistencies that leave you scratching your head.

>>30657180
itsacartoonshow.png

>>30657159
It seems like they care about toys less than ever. Well, unless its EqG. There they're pretty shameless about making long toy advertisements.

>>30657180
Only retcons of not have been Maude being present at Pinkie's Party and honestly nothing else.

>>30657317
possibly luna's appearance but that's debatable

What lore do you want to see?

>>30657467
Elements of harmony/Tree of harmony
Alicorns
Tartarus

>>30657475
Hopefully they reuse that rejected movie plot in show.

>>30657467
World building/exploration and origin stories in a somewhat subtle way. I don't want to be spoonfed everything, but I do want to know more.

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>first season on MLP is almost entirely slice of life
>"We'd like more lore and worldbuilding!"
>season 8 is getting more lore and worldbuilding
>"WTF IS HAPPENING TO MY SLICE OF LIFE SHOW???"
Y'all fuckers are never satisfied.

>>30658336
i like a healthy mix of both. lore and world building is essential to keep the show interesting and evolving while slice of life is pure comfy.

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>>30658336
>/mlp/ is a single person

>>30658344
>Implying it's not what everybody thinks

>>30658371
But I'm okay with more lore, a lot of people in this thread are, are you blind?

>>30655872
So if we bug them about Zecora being underused and she will show up more then

>>30655104
>Insights
Grant us eyes!

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>>30655104
What about shipping?

>>30655325
You mean g3?

>>30657123
>Lore is the biggest reason I love the show
>In a majorly SoL show
But why? I like lore too, but the main appeal of the show has always been the characters for me, and considering the show is built upon character interaction first seems to me like that's the intent.

>>30658963
You can still extract lore from the show. It exists. The issue is the amount of potential lorewise the show contains that isn't taken advantage of, but it still does exist.

All that's needed is for a team to adopt the groundwork already laid and begin fixing it and expanding it, taking advantage of the potential essentially.

>>30658972
I didn't say there isn't any lore, that's why I said I like it. But the show still is and always has been about character interactions first, even if it's overall a slice-of-life show with some continuity and a dash of adventure. Sure I would enjoy more lore if the characters are still well-written, all I'm wondering is that lore would be the biggest reason for you to love the show when that's not really the thing it cares most about.

>>30658994
Well it's just personal preference then. You like character interactions first, lore second, I like lore first and character interactions second.

And though you're right that character interactions has been the core premise of the show for the past 7 seasons, that model is starting to run out of steam and something new is needed to keep the show going while being interesting and not just a rehash of a rehash of a rehash of a rehash kinda like hollywood. This is where I believe lore should kick in and be explored more in depth, which includes world building.

>>30655660
>objectively false
You're the one lying, if they were even allowed to listen to fan feedback, Hasbro's rape of the story would have been stopped years ago.

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>>30655338

>>30655104
>nimble
Even if this was to impress investors, this word sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>30659007
I'm just surprised you'd enjoy a show so much (?) for something that isn't it's focus, especially when you yourself say that there's quite some inconsistencies (by the way, I'd be interested to hear what you think those are, because I mostly agree with >>30657317 plus cutie marks not being super consistent and magic being underexplored and can't think of much else)

I do agree that focusing a bit more on lore could help to keep the show fresh going onward, although I also think that the introduction of more characters/the increased focus on secondary characters has been a good way to do that too, albeit it would be better if they had those interact more with the mane 6, they tend to be a bit too separated right now.

>>30659009
>>30656073

>>30655411
The other major difference between AT and FiM is that this is happening 7 years into the show's lifespan, not 3 or 4 like with Adventure Time. Adventure Time is ending this/next year after season 9 finishes. Is Hasbro really planning on keeping FiM going for another 5+ years? Probably, and I'll still watch it.

>>30659077
SoME was retconned; we saw plenty of greedy teenage dragons. i know theres others but i cant seem to recall them. i need to go watch the show again.

aside from large lore aspects, some smaller stuff is inconsistent as well. rainbow falls couldnt have taken place in the same universe as wonderbolt academy. the characters contradict each other even if they tried to throw a bandaid on it in the end with spitfire like "oh right, were not supposed to be assholes. i remember you said that at the academy."

>>30659077
>I'm just surprised you'd enjoy a show so much (?) for something that isn't it's focus
I just love interesting worlds, and MLP is delivering on that, in a broader sense of speaking.

In regards to inconsistencies, what's done is done, but I suppose I've created somewhat of a head canon where those inconsistencies are reconciled somehow. Like the biggest one I can think of off the top of my head is S07_E10, A Royal Problem, where glimglam is supposed to help Celestia and Luna help with their problems. I mean right off the bat in the pilot episode we are told that after Celestia banished NMM to the moon, she took over both day and night duties, and in S1 we see her performing both with raising the sun and the moon with not much difficultly. Come to season 7 now and it's like Celestia has never raised the moon in the life and has literally no clue what Luna's duties entail, despite doing them for a thousand years. She was able to do all this and disregarding the other stuff that she had to take care of in the meanwhile villain wise. It's a huge, glaring hole and it was obvious it was some newbie writer who didn't bother doing any research into established lore of the show.

But in any case, I supposed I jumped the gun a little early. I should have clarified that I guess I like the idea of the lore of the show more than the established, inconsistent lore that we're dealt. But I still love the absolute potential it possesses which can still be rescued if the right team takes over and is serious about it.

>>30655325
weeb

>>30659150
Makes you wonder why they so often aren't serious about it.

>>30659123
SoME being retconned and Maud Pie are basically the only retcons.

bump for lore hype

>>30659150
I'm pretty much in this exact same position.

Regarding Celestia moving the moon: The way I've tried to reconcile it is that for 1,000 she basically brute-forced moving the moon, using sheer magical potential reach out and drag the thing around. Now she was actually using Luna's talent magic implanted into her, which is a whole different game - that's a talent for doing one thing and one thing only, which makes it much easier. It's like the difference between driving a screw in by turning the head with a wrench, and getting a screwdriver to do it.

But it is true that this theory is basically a patchjob over lazy writers who know nothing about the setting; same deal with the alicorn birth fiasco.

>>30659123
I agree about the dragon stuff, I didn't think of that. But even then, that's one other thing, plus the Wonderbolts stuff and the aforementioned things, that's still not a lot over 150 episodes, I'd say if those are the only inconsistencies FiM is actually fairly consistent unless other shows have basically no inconsistencies (which I honestly doubt, but am happy to be proven wrong about).

>>30659150
>>30660949
>Celestia has never raised the moon in the life
While this isn't outright stated (and Celestia is clearly being snappy/sarcastic so she might not mean it entirely), the scene can still easily be read this way and it did also annoy me.
>has literally no clue what Luna's duties entail, despite doing them for a thousand years
>It's a huge, glaring hole
I have to disagree with this one strongly, though. I suppose we can argue over whether Celestia knew what Luna's duties entail (and I would argue yes, because she cockily thrashes the list), but the actual important point is that Celestia did not have Luna's powers for those 1000 years, meaning she couldn't have helped ponies in their dreams even if she wanted to. This is even stated in the episode with Luna saying she can't help because she has Tia's powers. I thought especially people who care a lot about lore like you two would notice this obvious point, but I guess I expected too much ^:). Anyways while the first point can be argued about, this one most definitely is not a continuity error unless I'm missing something obvious here.

>>30661200
>but the actual important point is that Celestia did not have Luna's powers for those 1000 years, meaning she couldn't have helped ponies in their dreams even if she wanted to
But you see? That's an implicit point not necessarily supported by the canon. It was the first time ever bringing the point up, and if we go by what you say is being implied, we're left with the only rational explanation that for 1000 years ponies had nightmares and there was nothing to be done about it.

How does/did Celestia reconcile something like that? How was it that the ponies didn't just notice that all of a sudden they have nightmares that they can't do anything about?

Ok. It might not be inconsistent as you said, but it is still a plot hole which should be addressed.

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>>30661232
They dealt with nightmares like everyone else does IRL, on their own? Like, Luna has been helping ponies in several episodes since her reformation and her dream powers have been used a couple times too. Celestia was never part of that or even mentioned as being capable of the same. It's heavily implied that only Luna has that power and it honestly makes sense symmetry-wise even if Celestia doesn't have a similar day-related power because it makes them exactly fit for their associated times of day and one cannot rule alone holistically because they have to sleep at some point and thus forgo either the night work or the day work.

Bonus: pic related

>>30658336
Nah man, I'm hyped for that; the second half of S7 sounds interesting.

Its just Glimmer that I don't want more of, and I have a feeling that when we get lore and magic, she's going to be right there, stealing center stage.

>>30661543
I suppose that makes sense, but that was rationalized to make sense. Lore wise it is an implicit thing, and implicit canon is not the same as set in stone canon.

But then again, I do appreciate subtle lore as opposed to being spoonfed everything. Hmmm. I might have to reconsider my position here.

>>30662896
I did give you proof of it being set in stone canon, or do you not accept S5 as canon?

>>30663046
I wasn't referring to your specific example, I was going back to the more general premise of "what was Celestia doing for 1000 years and how was she doing it" in respect to Luna's duties, which, by and large has several unanswered questions.

>>30655104
What is this?

>>30655104
No

>>30659123
Spike's development was fucked up though. Being raised like a pony was sort of like dragon hormone blockers or some shit. When he did start growing, it did non-normal shit because he not normal for dragons

>>30666317
I wonder what Ember would say about that whole scenario.

>>30659150
I don't get it, are you getting assblasted over one line of dialogue that could even be interpreted differently from what you say?
And what the hell is
>She was able to do all this and disregarding the other stuff that she had to take care of in the meanwhile villain wise.
Royal duties may change + Celestia never dealt with dreams

>>30666482
But she physically raised the moon when Luna was gone.