Did the derpibooru mods finally pull their heads out of their asses?

>>30591763
No, they just got kicked hard enough to feel it in there.

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>>30591763
Downvote is the best of the three
the tag numbers prove it

Give me one reason why downvotes should exist.

>>30591763
"temporarily"

>>30591808
Duh, because upvotes are there.

It's like trying to have good without evil. Without evil, there's no good.

>>30591808
Not having a down vote but having an up vote is akin to censorship. Sure you can voice your opinion in the comments, but that's where mod abuse and banning hits the hardest.

>>30591763
Yes.
I am proud of the smiling pony. Learning to swallow his pride is an important step in his development as a person.

>>30591763
explain me, why would anyone use derpibooru for something else than jerking off to pony porn?

>>30591808
So that when I post my work I can see the balance between a positive and negative general response. Without downvote, all I would see wouldbe positive feedback on what could be utter shit, but I wouldn't know. Most people don't like commenting, and even if they do comments that express a negative opinion often come across as trolling, so may go ignored. That and the mods delete things that might hurt feefees. In order to see what people like best from an artist, they need upvotes AND downvotes.

>>30591837
To push an agenda with mouthpiece pictures?

Derpi thinks I don't have the right to call an image shit when it is. Fuck 'em.

But I need the site because all the good "Shining Armor fucking Twilight" pictures are there.

>>30591830
I agree, let's give him a gold star for being a good boy!

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>>30591808
Hello, Smiling!
Because they balance out the upvotes. You either keep both, or remove both.

Why would you ever use anything but the favourite button while filtering everything else.

https://www.derpibooru.org/meta/debate-thread-for-or-against-downvotes/

Make sure to comment why you want to keep downvotes without sounding like an asshole autist.

>>30592019
I'll reply there,now that there is a thread about it
better not let those four weak minded people not to face reality and criticism
the world is not a safe space neither this fandom is

>>30591808
Well it looks like people have some pretty straightforward logic on my we should keep them. I'll turn it around on you, why should downvotes be removed?

New mlp-booru when?

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>>30591808
Pic related: what derpibooru looked like during the time Down Vote was removed.
You can't have a fucking upvote without a downvote option.

>>30592126
People can't take criticism well. It's a fact of life.

My fanfic has like 73 upvotes and 4 downvotes and I'm still haunted by the downvotes.

You can't improve on someone saying "this is good" but you always want to know what you can fix when someone says "I didn't like it".

>>30591763

No, they just reacted to a huge, thundering backlash of hate and discontent over their stupid decision. I'm sure those asshats have plenty more stupid decisions in store.

>>30592134
Here's what I do. If someone tells you that they didn't like a thing you did, but doesn't tell you what specifically they didn't like, to how to fix it? Then there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. That is to say, the situation is out of your control.

Here's the good news: if there's nothing you can do to control the situation, then why the fuck even bother yourself to waste energy worrying about it? Haters gonna hate, so whatever.

>>30591807
Best ponification too, imo.

>>30592145
This.
If people aren't being constructive in their criticism, don't take it to heart. If they are being constructive and trying to help, just consider their opinion in the matter.
Either way, don't be get down on yourself about your work. The biggest vice in this fandom is spoiled fans being dicks to content creators.

>>30592134
watch out what you are saying
if you have a good ratio of upvotes in comparison to 4 dislikes,it shouldn´t matter you that much

the bigger the number,the better is the sample of the opinions

also,people are free to dislike something and they don´t see how...they see it and then leave.
If there were a bigger number of downvotes,then something could be reconsidered.But 4 downvotes in a sample of 79 votes?There are youtubers who receive a lot of hate and they are still going.

You can try to figure it out to fix it but that´s when things are more unfavorable than that

>>30592134
But that's your own fault for being such a baby. If I upload a piece of art and it gets 68 upvotes and 5 downvotes, I don't get haunted, I wonder how I can improve and make those downvotes decrease.

>>30592173
Even the best art on Derpibooru still has downvotes though.

What do you do when you have 2000 upvotes and 20 downvotes.

>>30591808
hello Smiling Pony!

>>30592272
I think about how I have 2000 downvotes and how a majority liked my work, and then continue to draw things like that knowing that it's what people want.

>>30592147
that´s why she has the biggest number of images out of the three(or four)

>>30592285
But the majority still like your work with 68 upvotes you fucking retard

>>30592294
anything below 300 is worthless trash

>>30592272
Thats like complaining that your movie has 99.9% on Rotten Tomatoes

>>30592310
>tfw my art has 340 upvotes and 250 downvotes

It's good to know that my art isn't worthless trash, thanks anon

>>30592294
That's my point you idiot.

>>30592362
No it wasn't you inbred. You were saying that you wanted to focus on making the downvotes disappear

>>30592354
https://derpibooru.org/891472

>>30591808
False dichotomy.
The true answer is that the upvote/downvote system should be scrapped in its entirety.

>>30592375
This is a good point. I'd also agree with that, although I don't see it happening anytime soon.
The biggest fuck-up was only deleting one. They're like ying and yang: you can't have one without the other, lest you have horrific imbalance.

>>30592375
When I search for images, especially porn, I sort by score. I wouldn't have the patience to wade through all the garbage if there were no scores to filter for me.

>>30591808
It's information. When it comes down to it, eliminating downvotes is deleting information.

>>30592775
>When I search for images, especially porn, I sort by score. I wouldn't have the patience to wade through all the garbage if there were no scores to filter for me.
This. I can't understand how anyone who actually uses the search function on Derpibooru for its intended purpose could possibly be against the downvote button.

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>>30591763
I am still in shock that the mods actually swallowed their pride and gave us back the downvote. I had given up hope entirely, but they actually swallowed their pride.

>>30592884
They say it is temporary until they can come up with a better alternative.

>>30592907
They still swallowed their pride, and I think they were just damage controlling and it's on a permanent hiatus.

>>30592907
>better
yeah,"better".....
why does this remind of politicians and their shit decisions?

If you fucks didn't abuse the downvote function to begin with maybe they wouldn't have done it or talk about how it will still be changed in the future.

>>30592884
just because they did it doesn't mean it'll clean their image one bit

>>30592936
>If you fucks didn't abuse the downvote function to begin with
You're just replacing one form of abuse for another.
Artists would rather get 100 downvotes than 100 comments telling them they suck

>>30592966
Not really, a downvote without a comment tells an artist absolutely nothing. Personally I think that downvotes should count to score but they shouldn't be shown. People seeing lots of downvotes make them want to do it more.

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>>30592966
This. They said one of the reasons they reverted is that they discovered that without downvotes, comments can become really nasty, sometimes in ways that don't violate the rules.

>>30592975
>People seeing lots of downvotes make them want to do it more
It's also true for upvotes, yet it doesn't bother you.
Also, an upvote tells an artist absolutely nothing as well.

>>30591763
What's going on? I haven't seen any changes made yet.

>>30593017
You missed the party

>>30593017
They eliminated downvotes, but then after a massive outcry, they reverted it to how it was.

>>30593027
Apparently. I see several threads about no downvoting, then when I visit, it's still there

>>30592989
True, but one can discourage art being drawn.

>>30592980
That wasn't a a constructive criticism.

>>30593037
If you're allowed to say why you like a piece, you're allowed to say why you hate it.

>>30593037
Note that those comments didn't violate rule 0; the person was just saying why he didn't like the art.

The ban had to be for rule 4, a bullshit reason since you can't add "bad art" to your filter.

>>30592975
It tells an artist that they need to work harder. It tells an artist which of their pieces are better received than others, so they know what to draw.

>>30593065
It was not constructive. Learn how to critique art.

>>30593084
There are people I know who downvote every single thing specific artists do, or specific ships/depictions. That doesn't provide feedback. All the person wants to do is tell someone their art is shit in their opinion.

>>30593112
>It was not constructive.
So what? It didn't violate any rules. Most people aren't artists and don't know or care how to critique art, but they still know when art is bad, and that's what the downvote button is for. Without it, people instead post in the comments saying why they hate a piece of art, and there's nothing against the rules about that.

>>30593112
>All the person wants to do is tell someone their art is shit in their opinion.
In other words, using the downvote button as intended?

>>30591763
>>30592884
Reminder that this is not the first time that they try to do it and wont be the last

>>30593138
Downvoting an entire artists gallery is not how it is intended. If you hate their work why arent you hiding their tag?

>>30593144
The purpose of the downvote is to say, "I don't like this art." Downvoting everything an artist does just makes someone pathetic because they could filter, but others also watch certain artists and upvote everything they do. It isn't a problem; up to a small margin of error or maybe a few exceptions of abuse by people with several accounts that it is the mods' job to deal with, upvotes and downvotes reflect the community sentiment, and that information is useful information.

>>30591808
It helps in filtering. Atrocious art still gets more upvotes than mediocre work, despite having a lower net score, simply because bad work garners a lot more attention than plain work. If you remove downvotes, anyone using a score threshold for filtering now has a significantly less reliable method of filtering. No, not every piece of art with a low score is going to be bad. Yes, people will downvote en masse art that's from an unpopular artist regardless of its quality, but that's far less frequent than people downvoting because they think the art is terrible.

>>30593112
>Learn how to critique art.
Like so:

Your picture explores the relationship between the tyranny of ageing and emotional memories.

With noticeable influences as diverse as Braeburned and Yakovlev Vad, new combinations are synthesised from both mundane and transcendent narratives.

What starts out as triumph soon becomes corrupted into a tragedy of greed, leaving only a sense of unreality and the dawn of a new synthesis.

As temporal replicas become transformed through diligent and academic practice, the viewer is left with a hymn to the limits of our perceptions.

>>30593139
a wise man I knew said to me as an advice back in my 20s:

>"Life is a fight and peace is an accident"

DB mods are no exception

I dont think anyone actually care about the quality of the art. I think most people here just care about porn on derpibooru

>>30593599
not every faggot looks for porn pics 24/7
derpi is useful for the rating system and as a shortcut compared to paheal or e621 for porn

however,unless you only want porn for /trash/,you can't post anything(save lewd) NSFW here

and guess what?comfy pics,good drawings of someone's waifu or simply pictures for a certain topic require sfw images and so,shit images appear while searching and the ones searching care about...I don't know,something called quality?

>>30593708
>derpi is useful for the rating system
how so? you browse it by the front page, not by most popular votes.

>>30593718
Sometimes I even use random order because most people upvote everything anyway

>>30593718
Who browses the front page; I have no interest in most of that and most of it is bad. I search for tags I'm interested in and sort by votes.

>>30593857
>Who browses the front page
on derpibooru? almost everybody. compared to the other boorus that uploads thousands and thousand of images a day, derpibooru only uploads a couple hundred. theres no reason not to browse the front page because it updates so slow.
>most of it is bad
sure, theres bad art mixed in with the good, but thats how you discover the art you like.
>interested in and sort by votes
but you might miss an art that you might really like doing that

>>30593951
>but you might miss an art that you might really like doing that
Everyone knows that's a possibility, but they can make their own assessments. For me, I filter everything with a negative score. I've seen hundreds of images with negative scores, and I'm not going to lose sleep if some not-terrible images get missed.

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>>30591808
So I can sort by Wilson score and get way more relevant results.

>>30592980
Anyone else got some good pics of the mods being cunts? Bonus points for the pre-Mouthpiecetriggering shut.

>>30593352
>Also it's shit.

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You didn't hear this from me, but there are mutterings in the mod community that they are going to 'keep tabs" on what people filter what images. If you filter too many images from a certain artist, or have too many images filtered period, you get the boot.

Seems like they are planning a 'cleanse' of sorts and are using the filter as, well, a filter.

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>>30591808
As a way to protest degeneracy.

>>30594525
I think you're full of shit. People can be petty, but they're not that petty

>>30594538
I think you underestimate the mods over there.

>>30594525
Unless you filter and also shitpost, there's really no reason for that. I've seen filters of people who have 1000+ tags filtered in threads here.

>>30594550
What would they gain?

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>commenting on derpi

>>30594565
The satisfaction of banning someone for no reason.

>>30594525
Evidence? I mean, it sounds believable but I'd like to see some proof, even if just so I can throw it in the faces of those who claim we don't have anything to worry about.

>>30594705
Evidence like chat logs or something?
It's a moderator Skype channel, i'm pretty sure they would figure out who is leaking this shit fast if I started posting images from the Skype.

>>30594578
this

>>30594831
>"Did you leak out those chat pictures?
>"No."
Yeah nah, you should keep your head down.

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>>30591808
Because it's not your safe space you faggot.

>>30594890
all of my kek

>rape

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>>30593037
>you didnt color in the lines and the nose is fucked up
>it looks like shit due to this
how hard is that to grasp? non-constructive criticism is criticism that doesnt help you in any way, like "its shit." he gave feedback that the artist could use. the only thing he didnt do was fondle the artists balls.

>>30592775
>I sort by score
i sort by favorites

>>30595079
Constructive criticism involves not making the artist upset.
What if the artist intended to color out of the lines and detail the nose like that, you don't know!
Feedback is something that is necessary only if you mean to improve the mood of the artist, shitlord.

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i fucked up a couple times before and responded to a sarcastic post like this before finishing it.

glad i didnt this time.

>>30595183
But is it Sarcasm when it's a Derpibooru mod's mentality?

>>30595140
shut the fuck up already

no
https://pastebin.com/RZZ213f1
Aeyris, byte[], nebulon and a few others are mods btw
[20:29:00] <Nebulon> It has its place on YouTube, because content creators care mainly about money and views, not votes. Votes there serve some sort of purpose.

>>30595191
then its satire

>>30591808
Because if one can like something, they should be able to dislike something as well.

Only exception being facebook, but that's a completely different kind of site and seriously, that site is a piece of shit

>>30591808
To make fun of people like you

>>30591808
Because they help differentiate between bad or controversial pictures and simply overlooked ones.

>>30592272
A lot of the down votes in that situation will likely be from jealous artist. There also seems to be people who just down vote everything for whatever reason.

https://pastebin.com/JkQnTUYy
derpimods still want to get rid of downvote

Crawling in my skin
These wounds they will not heal
Fear is how I fall
Confusing what is real

There's something inside me that pulls beneath the surface
Consuming confusing
This lack of self-control I fear is never ending
Controlling I can't seem

To find myself again
My walls are closing in
(without a sense of confidence I'm convinced that there's just too much pressure to take)
I've felt this way before
So insecure

Crawling in my skin
These wounds they will not heal
Fear is how I fall
Confusing what is real

Discomfort endlessly has pulled itself upon me
Distracting reacting
Against my will I stand beside my own reflection
It's haunting how I can't seem

To find myself again
My walls are closing in
(without a sense of confidence I'm convinced that there's just too much pressure to take)
I've felt this way before
So insecure

Crawling in my skin
These wounds they will not heal
Fear is how I fall
Confusing what is real

Crawling in my skin
These wounds they will not heal
Fear is how I fall
Confusing confusing what is real

There's something inside me that pulls beneath the surface consuming
Confusing what is real
This lack of self-control I fear is never ending controlling
Confusing what is real

>>30596865
>We have to think of the fee fees!
They are right, they do live in an echochamber.

>>30596865
get rid of both downvotes and upvotes. if people really like work they can add it to their favorites. if people dont like work they can hide it. if someone feels strongly enough they can tell the artist why their image sucks.

problem solved.

>>30594525
Why would they do that when their goal is to get people to use filters more and down votes less?

>>30596971
Killing off your enemy silently leaves the wise ones alone to be picked off.

>>30596966
But how will artists know their art is super duper special without the little green arrow that shows them how super awesome and special their art is?!
DO YOU NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE IT HUNG ON A FRIDGE?!

>>30596978
by favorites you silly goose.

>>30596982
But they needs MORE.

>>30597020
You needs to improves you're English skills many more

alright guys, i got the ultimate solution.
we'll turn downvotes into upvotes, and old upvotes into super upvotes.

>>30597204
And mods autism into superpower.

>>30592138
>I'm sure those asshats have plenty more huge, thundering backlashes of hate and discontent in store.

If the problem is sensitive artists, than what about just have a checkbox in the settings that says "hide downvotes", so from now on they will no longer see the red number, only the green one.

>>30594890
this

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>>30597450
sounds interesting

>>30594890
this is the correct answer

>>30597450
But anon

That would require logic and levelheadedness, not a desire to enforce a no-criticism zone on their 'community'

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>>30597691
do they have any real reasons to want to remove downvotes?
as an artist id love to hear them.

>>30596966
The sort by score is a super useful function if you don't want to wade through years worth of pictures tho

>>30597737
can you sort by favorites?

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>>30591808
Because some people are just shit cunts and need to be told that or else they'll go through life continuing to be shit cunts.

If your art gets downvoted either grow a thick skin and take criticism for once in your sheltered life or get better at your art instead of churning out the same dreck.

>>30597743
No, although they something called the Wilson score, which i guess is creation date + up/downvote

>>30597735
The main argument seems to be it hurts artists feelings to see downvotes on their images.

I only upvote or fave images so i don't accidentally download them twice

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>>30597753
while its true some niche fetishes get downvotes based solely on the fetish itself, i dont think its prevalent enough to warrant removal of the whole system. those artists likely understand it comes with the territory of drawing unpopular fetishes (like scat). im mediocre as fuck and i think most of my art has around 50-100 upvotes for every 1 downvote.

from the IRC logs it looks like they also want to claim a vast majority only downvote work that doesnt deserve it. the only example i can think of for this is the most recent debacle caused by a disagreement on what constitutes a mouthpiece, and that wave of downvotes was a direct response to these mods interfering. it had nothing to do with the artist.

honestly its not for them to decide. an upvote is "i like this" for whatever reason. likewise a downvote is "i dont like this" for whatever reason. people shouldnt have to justify either one.

theyre there to keep the site running, not to micromanage user and artist interaction. its a shame theres not really a good way to prove youre the genuine artist of certain work because id elect for them to stay the fuck off my pages, dont touch my comments and dont touch my votes. itd be nice if that were an option.

>>30597785
Yep. Too bad derpi mods won't see it

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>>30591763
Absolutely not. They seem intent on keeping this temporary. Plus, they have some new experimental system that weighs downvotes and upvotes with some algorithm? I don't remember specifics and cba to check.

It sure was glorious though.
>mfw they spent over 2 years stewing on the idea
>mfw it was undone in literal hours after being unveiled

The Derpi mods were being haughty assholes about it, which just makes this feel even better.

>>30597450
Better yet: make a browser plugin that hides downvotes.
That way, only those who don't want to see downvotes don't see them.
Even better, it doesn't have to be the derpibooru staff that makes it.

>>30597785
When I see a picture of scat (a huge turnoff for me and most people) I am instantly revolted and my instinct is to downvote and leave.

>>30597753
From various threads I'm watching on Derpibooru, people would make hundreds of sockpuppet accounts to downvote shit for super petty reasons. Hating on a particular character, ship, fetish or whatever created a lot of headaches for mods over the years apparently. Some people would also click on a tag they've intentionally filtered, turn off said filter, and downvote every single image. The thinking is that such downvoting won't change the art/ship/fetish/whatever from happening, and people are going to have different interests.

My understanding is that it's not that people are downvoting, but people abuse the downvote system in creative ways.

I think the ability to downvote is useful, it's just that the abuse isn't obvious to most people.

>>30598063
>people would make hundreds of sockpuppet accounts
im gonna need proof of this because i doubt anyone cares that hard.

>>30598069
There's a thread I the Site & Policy forum (can't get to it right now). I think you nailed it, though—the abuse isn't obvious to most users, apparently.

>>30598063
People can do the same with upvotes to get specific images trending, but they weren't considering taking out upvotes at the same time. It seems to be more the mods are tired of moderating people misusing the system.

>>30598085
sadly i wouldnt accept a mods word as proof. theyre not exactly known for being honest.

do they have proof of multiple accounts voting from the same IP?

>>30597450
>>30598006
Maximum Hugbox CSS coming through. Inject using addons such as stylerrr. Or make a userscript to use with greasemonkey.

@-moz-document domain("derpibooru.org"){
a.interaction--downvote{display:none !important;}
}

>>30597612
>hikikomori penguin
That's fantastic

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>>30598053
So filter scat. It's not that hard. We don't need a hide function when we have filters.

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>tfw you search for a specific pony and half the images popping up have that pony way the fuck off in the background somewhere

>>30598125
Greasemonkey userscript version here.
Just copy-pasted code from Stack Overflow.

var elements = document.getElementsByClassName("interaction--downvote");
while(elements.length > 0) elements[0].parentNode.removeChild(elements[0]);

I really don't give a fuck about any of this. I use Derpi a lot, but I never bother downvoting anything. If I really like something, I just add it to my favorites. However, it's by sorting by rating that I find most of the good stuff, so as long as they at least keep the upvotes, I really don't give a shit.

I just know that scat and guro is consistenly downvoted, as is diaper fetish and other niche fetishes. But that's not necessarily a reason to do away with downvotes altogether.

But really, I don't care.

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>>30598194
Yeah, this is why I sometimes search solo, even though I wouldn't non-solo.

>>30598194
That's the most annoying thing ever, I agree.

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>>30598269
*wouldn't mind

>>30591812
>t. fantastical faggot

>>30591808
So it doesn't feel pointless like on You Tube

>>30598194
Should we have a tag "kinda pony" like "kinda Pinkie Pie"

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>>30597745
This.

Some people don't take the hint unless they get slapped across the face with it.

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I have an idea that will please everyone: make a filter like "sort by score" but call it
>"sort by score and count every "hide" as a downvote so negro art won't be displayed at the top."

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>>30594329
Called a guy out for a trace, then got told this.

>>30598347
Um... context?

>>30598350
Read the comments.
https://derpibooru.org/1487396#comment_6327509

>>30598280
I hope she means her cock opening wide so I can jump in.

>>30597612
>>30598152
A quick update as the cut-out was supposed to be removed in June. His waifu is sticking around for longer: http://goboiano.com/grape-kun-is-officially-keeping-his-waifu-cutout/

>>30598355
>One mod fucks up
>The other more important one says that the first one is wrong
Nothing bad here.

>>30594890
Not that I disagree with you, but the mods would argue that since they run the site, it's THEIR safe space.

>>30598613
Servers are paid by users, so.

>>30598664
Which would mean, only donators can cast a vote.

I'd support that, if only for the kind of shitshow that would ensue.

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>>30591672
I wrote a nice apology letter to them on deviantart and they bounced back.

Wait, what happened?
Did they really remove the downvotes? and just because of that degenerate and the drama about the mouthpiece tag?
What the fuck is going on inside their heads hahahaha

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>>30598888
Yes, they removed downvotes for about six hours before the massive backlash made they actually swallow their pride and undo it. They did not remove downvotes because of the mouthpiece tag, or at least, that was not the stated reason (but possibly a catalyst).

https://derpibooru.org/forums/meta/topics/downvoting-is-being-replaced-by-hiding

Hey leak-anon, any way you could drop some more logs?

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>>30598994
I think >>30594525 is either full of shit or massively misunderstood something. The whole point of eliminating downvotes is that they wanted people to filter instead of downvoting. What would be their motivation for banning perfectly good users who filter? There is no reason whatsoever to do it and would only make people hate them. >>30594525 is baseless bullshit nonsense.

>>30598926
>w-we swear we didn't remove the downvotes out of the fucking blue because of the drama we caused and has been going on for a month now!
>absolutely nothing to do with it!
yeah, nah, I'll keep my headcanon that they're absolutely retarded libcucks that think they have some semblance of control over the internet

>>30594525

proof or gtfo

>>30598001
Wilson scoring

try it, it actually gives really good results
https://derpibooru.org/search?q=*&sf=wilson&sd=desc

>>30598994

You realise those "leaks" from from derpibooru's public IRC, right?

>>30599073
Take any scoring system that takes into account upvotes and downvotes and it'll be "good" by your standards.
But there's really no reason why some of those are above others. Doesn't the normal scoring sort make a ton more sense?

>>30599073
>barely any porn
>oh wait there's some--
>disgusting anthro zecora with human puss
Yeah, really good results

>>30599105
Obviously not.

I wouldn't waste my time going in there anyway, just gimme the juicy bits.

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Downvote is jesus.

>>30599117
The images that are legitimately higher quality rise up to the top, without it being pages and pages of gifs and merged images that have super inflated scores due to being merged several times, or animations that have unnecessarily high scores due to just being animations

>>30599122
Filter the resultset then you mong, that's what searches are for
https://derpibooru.org/search?q=explicit%2Cpony&sf=wilson

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>>30594175
>>30597752
>>30599073
What is the formula for the Wilson score? Wiki says what the Wilson interval is, but how do we assign a score based on that? I'd guess the lower bound on the 95% confidence interval on the expected distribution, but I'm not sure, and I don't know at all how it factors in creation date. Do the mods have a post on their formula for Wilson score?

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>>30599171
based on one of the devs' posts I would wager that it's this

he explains the parameters here
https://derpibooru.org/meta/debate-thread-for-or-against-downvotes/post/3228892#post_3228892
https://derpibooru.org/meta/debate-thread-for-or-against-downvotes/post/3230536#post_3230536

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>>30597450
>>30598343
My third idea: let people downvote but keep this number invisible from everyone, the point is that it will affect the sorting algorithms and in the same time hide the fact of a number.

>>30599243
Or maybe leave the thing as is?
What the fuck is your problem with downvotes lol

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I enjoy a rather rare fetish, and my issue with downvotes is that there are many many people who downvote it out of principle. It makes the score worthless at determining the quality of a picture, and sometimes leads to pictures being hidden from people who'd like to see them because people who hate it flood it with downvotes.

Without downvotes, a picture with low score is most likely a bad picture. With downvotes, a picture with low score may just be triggering to some people for any reason whatsoever, so it shouldn't be allowed to affect those who do want to see it.

>>30599252
I'm 100% fine with them, I want the perfect solution so derpi mods will calm their sjw-pc tendencies

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>>30599296
I'm spending at least 10 minutes per day downvoting disgusting fetishes I don't like to make people like you upset. Feels nice knowing that it works.

>>30599321
I hate diapers too, but dude, you are wasting your time since faves still exist.

>>30599184
Wow, you knew exactly where it was, thanks. It doesn't say how they factor in creation date, but the lower bound of that (− in the ±) is what I guessed for score assignment.

>>30599472
creation date isn't factored in at all

the lower bound is taken, because if it were the upper bound only the stuff with zero downvotes would show at the top

>>30599498
Oh. >>30597752 said it factored creation date; makes sense it doesn't, as that would be too arbitrary.

And yes, that's why lower bound.

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>>30599321

This is exactly why the mods want to get rid of the downvotes alltogether.

>>30599362
How do you search by the number of favorites?

>>30599609
And why is that a problem? Like honestly so what. Aw your disgusting fetish inflation art that looks like it was drawn by a kindergartener with a seizure disorder is getting downvoted? Tough shit. If artists want a place where no one criticizes them for being shit at art there's always tumblr. They only have a like button there.

>>30599659
faves

no faves
https://derpibooru.org/search?q=faves%3A0

more than 100 faves
https://derpibooru.org/search?q=faves.gt%3A100

100 or more faves
https://derpibooru.org/search?q=faves.gte%3A100

fewer than 100 faves
https://derpibooru.org/search?q=faves.lt%3A100

100 or fewer faves
https://derpibooru.org/search?q=faves.lte%3A100

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>>30599609
That's the price of being a fucking degenerate. You should jack off to futa like a normal person.

>>30599710
This. This is what gets me hard.

>>30594525

I mean, does anybody care? This fandom, and by extension, sites that cater to the fandom, like derpibooru, are going the way of the dodo.

Ponibooru was superior anyway.

>>30599731
>>30599710
Futa is gay.

>>30599609
Hey, my autism deserves respect! Isn't that how the modern Western society works?

>>30599712
Doesn't seem to work. You can set boundaries, but it doesn't look like you can actually sort by it.

>>30599817
You responded just after I deleted it for that reason.

>>30599859
Shouldn't be too hard to get top N faved by repeatedly downloading the query results in json and dynamically raising/lowering the bounds until the number of results is close to N and then sorting the results locally. Probably not worth the effort though.

>>30599735
>Ponibooru was superior
As someone who used that site for quite sometime. It's wasn't. Spammers out the wazoo. Non existant moderation. Slow servers.

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I think the best option is to have a mandatory suggestion/comment box that pops up when you click up and downvote and appears in a separate page from the comments that has a spam filter. Maybe with an option to make them only viewable by the work author?

>>30599687

turn it around. why do you spend so much of your time looking at shit you hate?

it's always the people protesting so loud about the homos that turn out to be homos irl. maybe you should just admit you want that diaper, anon.

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>>30598347
I guess they hire imbeciles
FOR FREE

>>30600272
The mods are pretty fucking horrible on DB, Nebulon and Itsthinking especially, both are smug douchebags and the former doesn't even do shit, the latter attempts meming but ends up looking like that dumbass on tumblr who discovered a 10 year old 4chan screencap posted on reddit a few years ago and just reblogged by his friend on tumblr.

>>30600125
People would abuse it

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>>30591824
>Not having a down vote but having an up vote is akin to censorship. Sure you can voice your opinion in the comments, but that's where mod abuse and banning hits the hardest.
Funny, everyone acts like downboats are the reason Reddit is shit.

>>30598236
If you sort by rating, then you should care about downvotes. There are plenty of shit/"joke" images that get upvotes because someone thinks they're "funny", while the downvotes hold them at an actual below-zero score reflecting their quality. Meanwhile, good but relatively unknown images sit at low-but-positive scores with or without downvotes.

See >>30592126 as an example.

>remove downvoting
>get completely blasted by 90% of the community
>ok guys we made a stupid change, reverting

>ok, now that we gave them back downvoting, how can we take it away again without getting any more backlash?

Asshats.

>>30597450
It wouldn't work in the long run because such a practice would make the artist look more like a thin skinned autist and it would be reflected in the comments. They would receive the same treatment as YouTubers who disable comments.

>>30600734
>But our artists fee fees are going to get hurt if we let them see that bully red arrow!
>THIS IS A SAFE SPACE!

>>30591853
great idea

Booru staff here. Can post proof or whatever if need be.

Standard disclaimer, despite being about pastel equines on a polynesian ricepaper folding site: Opinions are mine, not Smiley's or Joey's.

Normally we actually keep these threads (and honestly, all of /mlp/) at a read-only distance 'cause it mostly consists of "WOW LOOK AT THIS THING ISN'T IT BAD?" followed by thirty posts of everyone either agreeing it's terrible, or people raging against literally anybody who says "actually i kind of like it". Apparently /mlp/ would prefer if we just shut the whole site down.

On downvotes:

Downvotes are honestly a really terrible metric for anything. Upvotes are roughly akin to "this is good, draw more like this". Favourites are roughly akin to "this is good, I particularly like this piece". Downvotes are roughly akin to "I don't like this."

Upvotes and favourites encourage more artwork. Downvotes discourage it. We don't want to discourage artwork, for obvious reasons - such as the one time we made a site about it. Downvotes provide no constructive cricitism whatsoever, and are /incredibly regularly/ used as part of one person crusades against a particular artist or fetish.

People aren't rational. When people are so haunted by those downvotes that they want to /stop creating artwork/ (and a lot of times, it isn't bad artwork), that's where you sort of have to work out some sort of solution.

On the reversion:

One person did that without checking with anyone else. A couple of people have deploy access, and one person reverted the changes before I (another with deploy access) woke up. The core issue of "some artists hate downvotes so much that they don't want to commit artwork to the booru anymore" is still there. The issue of "some artists love downvotes so much that they will stop committing artwork if we remove them" is not. One of these leads to more artwork.

>he wrote 2000 words

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>>30600734
Seriously what the fuck is up with the site's administration?

Are they all tumblr babies or something?

I love how they like to shit on /mlp/ when derpi is way more of a shitshow by comparison.

>>30600988
Chances are if they get butthurt over a few downvotes they weren't worth having around to begin with.

Gross fetish art should be kept off the site and should be actively discouraged.

>>30600988
>taking every post here seriously
yeah, great.
I personally don't really care one way or another since I only use your site for porn. I just think Downvote is a qt.

>>30600991
>Are they all tumblr babies or something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKah2x-M4s

>>30600988
So, you ban people for voicing their negative opinions on artwork in the comments, then remove dislikes? Tell me, when was the last time a society that censored negative opinions went well or didn't collapse?

>>30600988
If somebody stops posting because of some downvotes then fuck em. They don't deserve to have their art on the site.

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>>30600988
>he said words when he meant characters

Couple extra things:

1. That mouthpiece image wasn't actually relevant to this. The discussion to remove downvotes has been on and off for /two years/, and intensified over the last six months. My implementation of downvote hiding is actually older than the image itself, I just never got around to adding the user-facing stuff. People can pretend it was the catalyst all you like, but pic related is the topic in the staff forums created three months ago by Joey, where we all discussed the pros and cons of it all.

2. We aren't a safe space to the extent it is not detrimental to artists. Like it or not, artists are the primary reason the site is around. Without them, we may as well just be a text board. (^:

>>30600988
>Apparently /mlp/ would prefer if we just shut the whole site down
No, don't, faggot.
It's the #1 mlp porn site on the internet.
Aren't you proud of that?

>>30600988
Downvoted :^}

>>30601026
It will be different this time.

>>30600991
they have fucked up minds
this happens when you circlejerk way too much and you forget the real world

they genuinely think that removing the downvotes would cause a better place for artworks and could encourage the artist by making the whole site a safe space

what they don't realize is that only with the upvote system,trolls and shitposters could make multiple accounts and upvote like crazy shit images and make it to the front page.

Downvote is really powerful,without it or not removing the entire vote system,the site could easily become a chaos with cheap upvotes

>>30600988
>>30601029

Moar:
>>30601012
>>30601028

Neither I nor yourself are qualified to make that sort of judgement against a person. You never know what is going on in that person's life, and honestly sometimes such a small thing may well be just too much. I'm not that sort of person, but I can understand the perspective of those who are.

>>30601026
Just voice it in a constructive way? It's literally not difficult to not be banned on the site, to be honest with you. Whenever a user ban occurs, the staff aren't happy about it. They're mildly annoyed they had to bother with it.

>>30601030
Honestly? Yeah. We get ludicrous amounts of traffic.

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>>30601029
Wow this fucking elitism.

>lelel /mlp/ doesn't produce any art

Yeah that's why we have over 6000 images on derpi tagged with /mlp/, and countless more from here that haven't been tagged.

Go fuck a cactus.

You can't even give criticism on derpi without getting banned, even if it's constructive. So yeah, it is a safe space.

>>30601037
We can upvote all the most horrifying fetish porn we can find and go show the hardcore feminists how disgusting sites like DB are nothing but deviants targeting children...

>>30601042
>It's literally not difficult to not be banned on the site, to be honest with you.
Mods on Ponychan said the same thing.
Oh wait, your staff knows how that works.

>>30601046
>Wow this fucking elitism.
This sort of automatic outraged behaviour is honestly why the staff rarely post in booru threads. It's amusing that you're so outspoken against outrage culture on, say, Tumblr, but you're so happy to do it here.

By text board, I don't mean /mlp/. /mlp/ is an imageboard. I meant a forum, of which there are several pony-related in existence.

>You can't even give criticism on derpi without getting banned, even if it's constructive. So yeah, it is a safe space.
Absolute unmitigated garbage.

>>30601042
There are people who have been banned even for constructive criticism. Granted, that was in 2015 but that is still VERY recent. Also, which mod are you?

>>30600991
They're autistic
Another log from months ago where Derpimods like tsp and itsthinking circlejerk about how "4chan is evil, we totally know 4chan", and a guy who actually uses it and knows people gets told to shut up
https://pastebin.com/CvF5jTcL

>>30600988

...Are you stupid?

So, your suggestion is "OH LOL JUST HIDE IT"

It's part of a solution. Like, I hate FlashLight, it bugs me, so I filtered it out. But at the same time, I like CarameLight, so, I have that enabled. So, I see a picture that is really fucking awful. There is so much wrong, that I can't give any criticism - everything about the picture is bad. So, I can say that, but since the mods of Depribooru are a bunch of hugbox Nazis, you'll ban me for saying that. So, instead I downvote it, and hopefully the artist understands that he needs to do something else instead.

But, I don't care anymore, lol. All the artists I liked are gone, and Derpibooru is a shit place for discussion because, once again, you guys are a bunch of Nazis.

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>>30601057
>Absolute unmitigated garbage.
It's sad that you live in such delusions.
I have seen constructive criticism get removed and the person banned for it.
We just don't see it because you faggots sweep the "bad" posts under the rug thinking your browncoats will fall in line.

>>30601042
If someone gets hurt by downvotes, then it doesn't matter how constructive criticism is. They'll still bitch and moan about being a victim and quit.

>>30601076
>So, instead I downvote it
And the Nazis give you a ban for that too for being "mean"

>>30601042

Hey, question. How much would I need to pay you to become a mod? Like, let's say I paid server costs for a year?

>>30601059
>Granted, that was in 2015 but that is still VERY recent.
The site is only five years old. In 2015, it was two. Last year we had a big revamp of the rules, and also how they are enforced by moderation staff.

>Also, which mod are you?
I realise I said "I can post proof" but now I don't actually know what would constitute as proof.

>>30601076
>So, instead I downvote it, and hopefully the artist understands that he needs to do something else instead.
Okay but why does your opinion matter more than the artwork? Being honest? It doesn't. Sorry.

>>30601077
If you can find some form of proof about this or a description of it so I can go look, I'll go look and ask the person responsible.

>>30601090
mods are chosen by merit (and usually by an existing mod vouching for you). however feel free to donate as much (or as little) as you want; it will have no bearing on mod consideration.

>>30601059
He's the mod that was talking about how they were going to count downvotes issued by accounts and shadow ban you from the site.

>>30601049
the funny thing is that literally nothing could prevent those upvotes and spotlight
do you want to counter that?Downvotes don't exist anymore,fuck you then

if they banned accounts for it,that decision would give more problems as a result,being more authoritarian and abusing powers

the Deviantart syndrome could infect the site,giving it bad fame by upvoting the worst fetishes into the spotlight.There's just one from getting there and I hope they don't do it soon.

>>30601090
We actually aren't 'hiring' (BUT WE DO IT FOR FREE) right now, as we've just taken on a couple more moderators.

Either way, though, you can't pay your way to being greenflair. Sorry. If you paid server costs for a year I imagine TSP would suggest a charity instead.

>>30601096
Post a screenshot of your filter area and your mouse hovered over your profile.

Also, not all posts on derpi are art.
https://derpibooru.org/1475933?q=my%3Adownvotes

>>30601096
So being honest with an artist and giving them tips on how to improve is a bad thing?
Are you reading this as you are typing and hitting post while saying to yourself "Yes, this seems like a sane argument."

>>30601107
So we upvote the site into oblivion.

>>30601096
>Okay but why does your opinion matter more than the artwork?

His opinion has no baring on the artwork.

If the artist gets assblasted over downvotes, that's their problem. They posted their art publically, they're open to scrutiny.

>>30601125
I'd be down to upvote every inage posted.

I mean, upvotes are positive, no one should have a problem with universal, unthinking praise.

>>30601126
Idea!
The artists have to pay to upload and people who want to see any art have to pay to do so!
That way they can die in their little safe space as moms take away credit cards and infighting starts up.

>>30600988
Taking downvotes away might be useful for you to prove a point, but it doesn't really solve the problem of artists that hate criticism of any kind avoiding the site altogether.

>>30601134
We are good robots, hit green arrow.
We must be the collective of positive votes and comments, any bad posters go to the camps.

Hey, modguy, something to think about.

The artist that drew the tumblrgendered applejack that started all this(cut the bullshit that it wasn't because of that image and the backlash you got from it) isn't getting their art mass-downvoted or anything. Mayhaps there aren't as many hate mobs as you think.

Mass upvote this
https://derpibooru.org/1495671

>>30601098
>>30601108

Yeah, lol, no. I'm serious. I want to bribe my way on the moderator team, because you guys are retarded. How can I do this? Who's the site admin?

>>30600988
Okay, assuming this is real for a sec.

The problem is that while downvotes /can/ serve no purpose/negative purpose, they also can (and very often do) serve a positive purpose, i.e., making it clear when artwork is objectively bad and providing a sortable method for shunting it to the back of a given search.
>But don't upvotes do the same thing?
No. Upvotes are subject to just the same whims you're alleging downvotes are misused for: People will upvote art because it depicts a fetish, ship, or meme they personally enjoy. Because they find it "silly" or "funny" like a meme it contains, all without regard to the actual quality. Hell, sometimes they'll do it because they want to push the score of a genuinely bad image up as a joke. In these circumstances downvotes can shift a work's actual score to a more accurate measure.

If the issue is that the artists are being affected by downvotes - I personally think that by merit of submitting their artwork to the community, they are also submitting it to subjective criticism; but that's me - why not place an option for them to not see downvotes? It seems like the ideal solution to me; those who want to avoid them can, and those who wish to make use of them can do so.

>>30601096
>Okay but why does your opinion matter more than the artwork?
My opinion doesn't matter MORE than the artwork, it is the reason FOR the artwork, as is everyone else's opinion.

If you want to create art, the first lesson you need to learn is that some people are not going to like the things that you create, and if you put your art into the world, it is their right to tell you they don't like it. If you don't want your art judged, feel free to keep it on your hard drive or in your attic, forever hidden from the world.

You are not helping these over-sensitive artists by shielding them from downvotes.

If all they get is positive feedback on your website, and then decide to show their art on an even more public display expecting no negative feedback, it will be so much more devastating when it eventually comes.

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>>30601174
Done.

Piss poor quality work is the best according to derpi mods after all.

>>30601096

>Your opinion doesn't matter

Then why have a vote or comment section altogether?

Also, my opinion does matter since I can commission an artist for artwork based on their stuff, but more importantly, it doesn't matter why it matters, because opinions don't need to be qualified. You would know this if you weren't an autistic Nazi.

If artists on your site are so thin skinned that a red arrow upsets them, I think they need to grow a thicker skin because holy shit.
I'm sure they don't need the mod staff to jump through hoops because some drama craving artist needs an excuse to make more drama and more asspats.
Imagine if they were exposed to the rest of the internet, or holy shit, reality, they might kill themselves.

>>30601171
No really it wasn't because of that Trans AJ image.

>>30601178
>why not place an option for them to not see downvotes?
I'll bring this up to the other mods, we might have discussed this already but that seems like a kind of no-brainer way to give people the tools to solve the problem.

>>30601144
you are not a good enough robot
you have to hit green to every single cheap drawing,childish edgy OCs and disgusting fetishes in order to become a good patrician
having the idea to dislike something?not your fucking place,nazi

upvotes are never enough,too much positivity never hurts

>>30601204
Fuck off, relicariox.

>>30601174
But I can't because I have to sign in.
MODS I NEED TO BE ABLE TO UPVOTE WITHOUT SIGNING INNNNNN!

As another Derpibooru mod I would suggest that everyone who has a problem with the site air their grievances in our forum. Or you know, keep making threads here. It's not like me and other staff aren't regulars here. You seem to think we intentionally avoid this place.

>>30601203
So, didya see >>30601113 ?

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>>30601215
Would registering an account be different than signing in?

>>30601215
What is throwawayemail?

>>30601224
If I said what I should on your forums I'd be banned in seconds, friendo.

Keep being terrible.

>>30601232
>jon/ourguyelfearsseasonkiller/fawkes

>>30601228
Are you asking me to give a pic of me logged in as a mod?

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>>30601203
>I'll bring this up to the other mods, we might have discussed this already but that seems like a kind of no-brainer way to give people the tools to solve the problem.
...Wait, that actually worked?!
Like, give them a checkbox to select saying "Don't show downvotes" Or any votes.
Hell, they can even have it saved to their account so they can click it once and forget it!

>>30601236
Additional Derpimod here.
Yet to see anyone actually post proof or state an image where a ban for "constructive criticism" happened.
Or was it just a case of "I heard it from my friend who told me it happened to him once."

>>30601224
you better stay lurking and see I don't know,REAL opinions of your site

feedback from suckers who dig up everything and circlejerk with you,don't count as valid opinions

and no,I'm not going to comment there unless it's actually necessary because the ban hammer is a really cheap weapon to use from your part.I'm not really free there.

>>30601224
Eh, I think having threads here and interacting with you here seems to work in a more... I dunno, chat like way?
Forums get results a little slower compared to an active thread like this.

>>30601248
It didn't actually work, anon.
There are no decent human beings on the mod team.

>>30601203
> I'll bring this up to the other mods
Thank you. I'm not a webdev person so I don't know shit about how hard it'd be to code, but having the downvote or hide systems be toggle-able does feel like an ideal solution that would work for both sides.

If I can ramble a bit more: Even if you disagree, I hope you can understand how people are lashing back angrily because of how forced the change feels. However much internal discussion there might have been, to us it came straight out of the blue and the community - which clearly has very different feelings about this - was given absolutely zero voice in it. It /feels/ like you're raising a giant middle finger to those who do actually make use of downvotes because some others don't like them.

Similarly, even if - for the sake of discussion - this doesn't actually have anything to do with the Mouthpiece image, I hope you can also understand how dropping this with zero announcement right after the community used downvotes as a method to protest moderation action looks absolutely terrible for you guys. I personally remain unconvinced the change wasn't at the very least fast-tracked to deployment because of that.

>>30601261
We have a chatroom as well on the internet, it's not discord and no registration needed. See https://derpibooru.org/irc for more info.

>>30601235
But what if the gobbament finds it?!

>>30601057
I hope you realize that all you're doing is confirming exactly what we've assumed all along and you're just digging yourself deeper at this point. Screencapping everything you've said just for later postings because it's absolutely incredible how you think what you've just said is reasonable and I'm sure people will get a kick out of it.

>>30601267
>irc.
Gross...
Joking, but I think people prefer the anon side of 4chan over getting forum accounts, irc chat clients set up.

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Original mod now new and improved with a tripcode so you can identify my shilling at - at least - 40 paces.

>>30601116
Downvoting is not giving anyone tips how to improve, mate. That's the opinion nobody gives a shit about: "stop doing this". What do you enjoy doing? Play an instrument? Drive? Maybe you program? What if you were told repeatedly to fuck off and die instead of getting better? Everybody starts somewhere.

>>30601113
I can do one better. Pic related.

>>30601126
If they get assblasted and stop posting, it becomes /our/ problem.

>>30601137
Downvotes has been highlighted to as a problem that we can't really solve any other way.

>>30601113
I won't lie, I don't know which area of the site you mean. My filters are just default, so you aren't gonna see anything unique.

>>30601178
Pic related, but you need to read my other replies.

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>>30591763
>This is the faggot who runs derpi
https://the-smiling-pony.tumblr.com/archive

No wonder it's such a shithole.

>>30601272
I'm really glad you think your opinion matters /this much/. Calling you a subscriber to outrage culture was obviously completely on point. Look at your behaviour right now.

>>30601265
It came out of the blue for me too desu. I'm a webdev by trade (rails is a bit magic for me, I much prefer flying without frameworks, but that's a topic for /g/ or something idk), adding something like that to a rails app (like derpi) likely wouldn't take much effort to implement, but the problem is convincing people it's worth implementing. Eh, i'll try to see what I can do anyways.

>>30601277
That's why we have an iframe in that page that lets you chat without having to install an irc client.

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>>30601281
>What if you were told repeatedly to fuck off and die instead of getting better?
I...ignore them and get better from the constructive criticism I might get?
Because I don't let words on the internet dictate my hobbies?

>>30601285
>he has an inkbunny account

REALLY MAKES YOU RMYT

>>30601303
Hi TSP

You're not hiding your posting style very well:
https://the-smiling-pony.tumblr.com/post/163442079743/yikes-i-dont-envy-the-mods-or-your-job-at

>>30601281
>Downvoting is not giving anyone tips how to improve, mate.
Upvoting isn't telling anyone what they did well and how they could do better, mate.
For the record if someone did that to me I would laugh at them for wasting their life on something so petty.

>>30601281
>If they get assblasted and stop posting, it becomes /our/ problem.
Seriously, fuck those artists. If downvotes causes them to leave, then they are a worthless piece of shit who should never draw again.

>>30601277
> I think people prefer the anon side of 4chan over getting forum accounts
You can post on the forums without having an account.

>>30601314
He's not TSP. TSP has net negative care about 4chan.

>>30601325
Dunno he seems pretty content with bitching about /mlp/ whenever someone dares complain about derpi.

>>30601320
>Seriously, fuck those artists. If downvotes causes them to leave, then they are a worthless piece of shit who should never draw again.
Have fun browsing a site when the "good" artists hear about how much Derpibooru doesn't care about other artists and leave as well.

>>30601281
>Downvoting is not giving anyone tips how to improve, mate
And upvoting is not giving anyone information on what they're doing right, mate.
Do you see how this works? It's circular logic.
>Downvotes has been highlighted to as a problem
How are they a problem? Seriously, what is root of the problem? That was rhetorical. The core issue is that downvotes hurts artists' fee-fees. Once again, you are confirming exactly what we've thought all along.

>>30601321
This place gets faster responses.
granted it isn't irc but it also won't get posts lost in a flood of unrelated shit that happens in some chat rooms.

>>30601303
Remember a few posts up when someone called you elitist, and you denied it?

>>30601281
>Downvotes has been highlighted to as a problem that we can't really solve any other way.

That's bullshit and you know it. You're just trying to push this through because you got it into your head that this is secretly a huge deal that drives thousands of artists away from the site, when that isn't even remotely the case.

I would rather keep the artists that can't take an ounce of criticism, even something as light as a downvote, as far away from derpibooru as possible.

Everything else can be addressed through statistical solutions. You just want one that involves eliminating downvotes, because you have some sort of ridiculous predisposition against them.

>>30601306
>>30601265

>I hope you can also understand how dropping this with zero announcement right after the community used downvotes
This was an actual accident. I wrote the implementation and then went to sleep. I woke up the next morning and someone had accidentally deployed it without coordinating it with everyone else.

That same person also reverted it without coordinating it with anyone else. Really makes you think.

>>30601308
Good for you. Some people do not have that luxury. Read my other replies. Just because you can handle the criticism well does not mean others are so fortunate.

>>30601314
I'm not TSP at all, wew lad. I think he's asleep right now.

>>30601331
Upvoting provides a general "this is some good content right here :100: :fire: :ok_hand:" feedback. Downvotes provide "this isn't some good content right here" feedback, but doesn't tell them how to improve. Artistry is a perpetual journey of improving.

Can't admis see IPs in the irc?

Yes, come to irc goyim, we'll hash this out like civilized adults.

>>30601344
Derpibooru admins cannot.

>>30601332
Faster response, sure. But also only a response from 1 source.

>>30601344
only if they're IRCops, and I don't think the admins own the IRC network they use

>>30601330
If they stop updating because other artists can't handle downvotes, then fuck them too.

>>30601352
One of the mods on derpi is basically the owner of Ponychat (the network they use), they go waaay out of their way to not leak user IP addresses to people.

>>30599296
>I enjoy a rather rare fetish
So do I and down votes don't bother me at all. If I want to look for that fetishist I just hit the tag for it. I don't automatically expect to find it while browsing through highly rated images. And if I am within that tag and hit search by score then the better images tend to rise to the top anyway.

>>30601343
>Good for you.
I want my disinterested slow clap with that sarcastic response, mister.

>>30601349
Looks like we got about 92 posters here, I hardly call that one source.

>>30601353
>If sensitive artists leave: Fuck them
>If artists that care about the sensitive ones leave: Fuck them.
>WTF Derpibooru has no art Fuck it.

>>30601341
It's the same person. A subscriber to outrage culture is not someone that anyone really needs to listen to, least of all the defendant against their half-baked uninformed rambling. Sorry.

>>30601344
No.

>>30601349
One OG source. :^)

>>30601353
This sort of attitude and associated attitudes are why other attempts to make boorus fail. You /have/ to cater to the content creators if your site is predominantly around a particular type of content. That's the artists. It's really obvious, honestly.

>>30601359
The first part of this is true, but the second part of this is untrue. Honestly, we don't really care who you are, nor should we. That's the point of 4chan, and the majority of us subscribe to the same beliefs regarding identity as moot did way back in '04.

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>>30601281
look,I won't trust you anyway because the style of someone who has some powers...reminds of a politician,a corrupt one nonetheless

I'm used to lying in front of my face everyday but the SINGLE fact you removed downvotes with a jewish plan of two years is simply pathetic.Also,the fact we are discussing seriously the downvote removal shows how far you are from being sane.

/mlp/ has complained about you for months even years because of your safespace circlejerks and power abuse.

Do you want some respect from me?Don't be jerks,face reality and leave the site as it should be.And respect takes time.

Don't try to sell on me that you are the best and that you allow freedom because you don't.You can and actually ban someone who triggers your opinion spectrum.

With that said.I'm off for now and have good circlejerks,faggots.

>>30600988
> Downvotes discourage it.
No. I sometimes post original content and number of downvotes never bothered me. But what really discourage posting new stuff, that some ugly 1 hour drawing with fucked up anatomy and everything else gets more upvotes than my picture on which I was working for weeks.
Stop making site a safe space for diaper and FlashLight "artists".

>>30601380
>The first part of this is true, but the second part of this is untrue.

w e w l a d, I misread the second clause of that sentence. Both parts are true. I've tried once for legal reasons (threats against a person), but no dice.

>>30601380
>>30601376

I didn't realize Smiling was such a cancerous twat though.

How do you deal with that man?

>>30601380
Literally no other boorus disable downvoting because feefees.

>>30601376
I'd prefer no art to a bunch of artists that want to be coddled and praised for producing shit.

>>30601342
Pretty much

If it wasn't a bunch of downvotes driving artists away from the site, it would be lack of upvotes driving them away, and really, it's a fucking Booru. No one is treating Danbooru or e621 as some serious art showcase, they're pretty much platforms for "Find something, fap/laugh/have diabetes to it, leave", you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a serious art site. Derpibooru is essentially a booru imageboard, pretty much a database that you can put images up, tag them, like them, favorite them, dislike them, comment on them, etc. Even Deviant art is a more serious art site, and that place is a fucking joke. And funny enough, there are no downvote equivalent on there and even with criticism features, you have artists which literally have not improved in 16 years.

>>30601380
>You /have/ to cater to the content creators if your site is predominantly around a particular type of content.
Which includes critics, not just artists who want gold stars.
If you keep that sort of hugbox up you fail like Ponychan did.

>>30601392
>stop making the site a safe space
>i get upset about bad drawings, please delete them

what do you mean by this?

>>30601395
Smiling is a fantastic guy, actually. The issue is that whenever he has to talk in public it's because someone is doing something they absolutely shouldn't be.

>>30601396
And look how many competing pony boorus are running that get even 1/10 of the throughput as this one.

>>30601417
You come for the art.

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>>30601406
>No one is treating Danbooru or e621 as some serious art showcase

About that.

>>30601425
>You come for the art.
I come for the entertainment.

>>30601433
And I cum to horse images, everyone wins

>>30601429
Most of the people who do are pretty major autists though

>>30601343
> This was an actual accident. I wrote the implementation and then went to sleep. I woke up the next morning and someone had accidentally deployed it without coordinating it with everyone else.

Fair enough.

I don't know how much time you planned to give it before rollout, but frankly this is the sort of thing that needed to be announced for feedback at least a couple of weeks ahead of time. As the scale of this backlash should hopefully make clear, there are people who feel very differently about this, and looking for feedback ahead of time would have neutralized so much of this anger.

As is, it's gotten to the point where I'm afraid it'll be shoved back out just to spite the people who are upset. They'll be angry, mods will feel like they were being shat on for doing a volunteer job for the community, and in the end no one wins.

>>30601425
>Smiling is a fantastic guy

https://pastebin.com/CvF5jTcL

Russian peasants thought Stalin was a "fantastic guy" too.

>>30601437
But I cum to red arrows, what bout my needs?!

>>30601425
>And look how many competing pony boorus are running that get even 1/10 of the throughput as this one.

Derpibooru was the lucky one that got passed around by EqD.
It could have just as easily have been pbooru.
Derpibooru isn't anything special, get over yourselves.

>>30601391
>Don't be jerks,face reality and leave the site as it should be
LEaving the site unchanged is stagnation. The site needs to grow over time with different features and changes.

Flat removal of downvotes has been shown to not be an option. And several artists spoke up about how they DO appreciate downvotes.

We rarely hear people's opinion about what they DO like. Mostly just what they feel is wrong. Which is normal almost everywhere you go. People are comfortable with something they don't talk about it much.

>You can and actually ban someone who triggers your opinion spectrum.

STILL waiting on source.

>[20:40:07] <TheSmilingPony> Mitch, shut the fuck up
>[20:40:14] <TheSmilingPony> 4chan's rules are a joke

Self-awareness.

>>30601439
It was /supposed/ to be about a week between announcement and rollout.

We're now looking at a dual solution, really. I'd prefer removal completely (which is why I coded it the way I did), but whatever. It'll still be encouraging people to use a hide over a downvote as 90% of the time that's what they actually want, but probably not removing the downvote function again.

>>30601442
>Russian peasants thought Stalin was a "fantastic guy" too
No they didn't, are you retarded?
>LEaving the site unchanged is stagnation.
aka
>LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE
>STILL waiting on source.
Scroll up you fucking retarded, there's multiple caps in this thread of it. Do I literally have to spoonfeed you or are you deliberately ignoring them?

>>30601442
Did he have a stroke and forgot what he was talking about halfway through that chat?

>>30601480
I will opt to increase my downvote output.

Only for low-quality images of course.

>>30601485
He isn't a very smart pony.

>>30601474
TSP needs to pay for my medical bills for the concussion I suffered through that facepalm.

>>30601495
Color me surprised, lmao.