Drawfag Improvement Thread

>>30432636
>>ArtRage
This shit sucks so much. SAI feels so much more useful than it.

>>30432566

Most drawfags here can tell it was copied from reference so it looks stiff as fuck. While there's nothing wrong with using reference it isn't the "right way" to use reference. At some point the artist needs to do some drawings from imagination to test their knowledge and explore what they can do.

>>30432842
The flower looks stiff to me, but not Twilight. Mind explaining in more detail how she is stiff?

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>>30432636
>PROGRAMS

>CSP 1.6.2 setup:
http://www.clipstudio.net/en/dl
>CSP 1.6.2 crack:
https://mega.nz/#F!DIMXESRY
>Decryption Key:
!LDTyBZQ5L6nUtDvzFQBglg

Step 1: Copy and paste the crack files into the main folder.
>pic related: main folder circled in red.
Step 2: run "Crack_For_CSP_V3.exe"

>>30432833
This

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How does a complete newfag to digital art, like me, even start learning how to draw ponies on a Chromebook? I tried using gimp OS, but it didn't work; and Google sabotages everything related to Firefox.
I've been starting off using https://pixlr.com/editor/ but it's all online, meaning that I lose anything I didn't save when the wifi gives out.
Do I need a new, real, computer? I can't start until I figure out what medium to use.

>>30432842
I used references for the eyes and nostril, but not the pose itself.

>>30432965
Stiffness is hard to explain because a lot of it is based on "feeling." You "feel" out the form, you "feel" it being stiff.
That said, in some cases, a lot of it has to do with construction being followed too closely, too. Like the line of action was never kept in mind, and no room was left for things to be bent, exaggerated, etc. to give the illusion of motion.

If you look at that Twilight, does the picture tell you she went to smell the flowers? Or does it look more like a statue left in there?

>>30433286
You start with pen and paper.

>>30433286
>Do I need a new, real, computer
If you can get the windows OS on a chromebook, then you're fine, but if that's not possible then buy a new computer.

>>30433384

I meant "reference" is that you're sticking way too hard to the show and how its constructed. Loosen up a little. You need to find your own voice.

>>30433474
>If you look at that Twilight, does the picture tell you she went to smell the flowers? Or does it look more like a statue left in there?


Yes. This nigga gets it. GMI.

Challenge when?

>>30434087
2 ponies interacting with each other.
MS Paint only.

good luck

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>>30434087
Draw a pony using these colors

>>30434126
>>30434128
These two combined

>>30434128
Fuck off back to the Draw Thread.

>>30434128
>>30434168
no, you baby sit him now

>>30434168
Looks like somebody already failed the challenge

>>30434087
I'll put something up today

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Can someone explain to me how to into light?
What is modelling tone? Is it just a way to give depth to a picture? Because light doesn't seem to behave that way.

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>mfw can't draw

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>>30435095
Nobody who can draw would tell you that they can.

But seriously, thinking that you can't draw is pointless. It's not a terminal condition or something, you can have fun on any level and that's what is really important at least you can convince yourself that it is because you're not making much progress and honestly it almost seems hopeless

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>>30435248
I am not 100% sure on this but I think it might be possible that there is the chance that it occurs that I perceive that as more or less mixed messages.
maybe

>>30435377
A lot of artists dislike their work and think they can't really draw. Just keep drawing and don't hate yourself for your mistakes is what I'm trying to say. It's important that you enjoy the process itself. If you're unsure if you're even moving in the right direction (or making progress at all) just post your stuff.

>>30435443
>A lot of artists dislike their work and think they can't really draw
This. I see myself as a 3/10, but in reality I'm probably a 5/10.

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>>30435584
>tfw you see yourself as 5/10 but you really are 2/10

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>>30435443

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>>30435641
>tfw so used to seeing yourself as 2/10 that even if people saw you as anything more you wouldn't believe them

>>30435648
T-that's not true, people won't just bully others here, right?

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Stop drawing pony elbows dangling below their bodies

The elbows touch the torso

>>30432636
>http://mlpg.co/art/res/23.html
>http://i.imgur.com/9vMkfQV.png
>http://i.imgur.com/0f5mx1l.jpg
bad references don't use

>>30435641
>>30435706
You anons got some art you wanna post?

>>30432833
SAI and Lazy Nezumi are a crutch for people who can't draw or paint.

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>>30435757
see
>>30435648
>>30435754
will use

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>>30435757
i just whipped this up, critiques welcomed, redline would be cool too. Not very good, but I really wanna get better.

>>30435894
>see
Fuck it bro, just post.

>>30435727
and stop drawing tube legs, and huge monstrous eyes

>>30436063
Did you freehand this or is there a construction sketch?
Because if you're not doing one that'd be a good starting point. The face looks pretty good, but you need to work on your manes and remember that the neck doesn't bend inwards like an hourglass; The front and back of it should be parallel.

>>30436063
don't draw a pointy end chin, on most occasions when a character is facing to a side the necklines curve with the direction of the rest of the pony's body. the pupils should probably be closer to the same size, if it's rd, the hair should run on top of the nape.

so i have a tablet

and i want to into bob ross painting

how do with free art program

is there anywhere i can get artrage for free?

fucks sake i want to make some environmental bob ross pone shit but i can't because sai is shit

>>30435762
What do you suggest then? Artrage?

>>30435762
What exactly is wrong with SAI?

>>30438820
Probably one of those people who say that anyone using a stabiliser is a scrub who can't draw.

>>30438820
>>30438831
It's also very intuitive if you want to customize it. No painting with a brush that says "cunt", no tool presets for every aspect of the program, no action hotkeys, as well as basic photomanipulation tools.

>>30439297
>no action hotkeys
this is a PITA

>>30438820
Nothing, that's why he didn't give any argument

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>tfw can't draw beause wrist is fucked

>>30442151
use your mouse and post results

bu

mp

Theres nothing wrong with using a stabilizer for the INKING process
Sketches should look sketchy tho.

>>30444281
The issue is really just relying on stabilizers.
That's just bad practice.

Also,
>should
I hope you meant "can."

>>30444693
Is it alright to use a stabilizer if you're inking with a mouse

>>30444703
I suppose it's alright.
Though, you might want to avoid it, as I assume a very important aspect of drawing with a mouse is learning to be stable with it.

>>30444731
I don't really draw with the mouse, I ink the lines I make on paper
I honestly have no idea how you would make smooth lines with an unstabilized mouse though

>>30444743
I mean, I've drawn with a mouse a few times for the fuck of it hence why I answered seriously, that, and I do believe I have seen a few artists who legitimately have drawn with mouse and mspaint for quite a long time, and it is very much possible to get some smooth lines. From my experience it just requires patience, carefulness, and to zoom in quite closely. And some practice, of course.

I want to see Afh draw without using a reference.

>>30445920
pointless, afh has become the reference with those fucking precision guidelines

>>30444743
- good mouse
- good large mousepad
- like a writing desk pad
- lower mouse sensitivity
- larger motions

>>30446354
^

>>30446354
>>30444743
I dont know about you guys but my advice is to get a drawing tablet like bamboo or something.

>>30447219
This, some are pretty cheap and it's a good investment.

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boop

>>30449461
>one layer per colour

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Progress so far.

Side view looks weird though, and I can't decide if it is because of the eye or the snout.

>>30449993
It's the eye that makes it look kinda off, but I think it's cute.

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is there a name for this type of colouring?

>>30451646
"make clothes and other details black and set their opacity to 30% then put a salmon gradient over the drawing and erase the edges"

i forgot the technical term though

>>30452126
>gradient

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>>30452136
>gradient
yes anon, right?

>>30452250
The colors look flat, not like a gradient.

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>>30452267
anon, I'm confused. please explain

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>>30452357
I either need a better monitor or need to get my eyes checked
again

I have a challenge:

Draw the picture upside down.

post results right-side up.

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>>30452408
>mfw I'm better upside down than I am normally.

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>>30452685
read the replies you already got fagit

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>>30454413
this >>30452685
and pic related are two completely different methods to achieving said result. I figured it may help.

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>>30429449
Gimp 1/3

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>>30429449
Gimp 2/3

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>>30429449
Gimp 3/3

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>tfw when drawing hurts both physically and mentally but not drawing is equally iritating because it has become such a strong habit
Why didn't you warn me before I started to walk this path that it would turn out this way?

>>30456320
>drawing hurts both physically and mentally
I have no idea what's wrong with you, but you need to fix it.

>>30456320
get your ass to an MD, drawing is practically writing and writing isn't supposed to hurt

>>30453617

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>>30455604
Just a heads up, this is the worst method if you want to do this. It kinda works, it can be used sometimes, but it doesn't work like you think it does, it wasn't meant for this, and the results can be really bad if you don't know what you're doing.

In >>30455616, when you lock the alpha channel, you are replacing the color channels entirely, and that's what you want. But when you use "alpha to selection", you modify the color channels depending on the value of the alpha channel. That means that parts that are opaque are replaced entirely, but parts that are partly transparent (ie, the edges, because we're using antialias) are only changed depending on their transparency. So, if you have a part that it's half-transparent yellow and you paint it blue, you aren't painting it blue, you're adding a half-transparent blue fill, making the thing look green. Again, it's only noticeable in the edges, and usually after you've changed the color a couple of times. But if one method works perfectly and the other method looks worse, you should try and use only the good method.

First half of the video: alpha channel locked, second half: alpha channel unlocked, alpha to selection.

>>30449414
>>30449421
>>30449425
>>30449439
>>30449444
>>30449453
>>30449461
>>30449470
>>30449473
>>30449485
It would go so much faster with SAI

>>30449414
>>30449421
>>30449425
>>30449439
>>30449444
>>30449453
>>30449461
>>30449470
>>30449473
>>30449485
that is vectoring, not drawing
you're better off going to the mlp vector club in deviantart if you want help

>>30459400
it's not even proper vectoring

>>30460212

What have you drawn today?

>>30460794
a pone sketch and a human sketch

>>30460794
a bit of human pose practice before work and a flat colored pone drawing for a friend's birthday

>>30460794
Been working on the same thing I've been working on for almost a week now, having maximum of one or two hours a day for drawing really sucks, it doesn't help that I keep reworking it and starting to hate it little by little. Feels bad man.

>>30461574
post WIP

>>30461579
unf

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>>30461776
Might as well. Been redoing tail and hindlegs for a while now so I would appreciate any help.

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>>30463663
I think this might help with the tail. But why have you been so busy lately, anon?

>>30463246
bitch you're in the wrong neighbourhood

>>30461579
this is /mlp/ you twit, go post your shitty monkey somewhere that's not here

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>>30464406

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>>30463883
This does help, thanks.
My original idea with the tail was to make different levels - pic related, the light green goes over the leg a bit while the darker green goes kinda under; this is all on the floor while the grey zone is supposed to be a slope that goes up a bit. But I don't know if I'm doing it right and it's hard to tell without shading.

I've been taking extra work and now I barely have any free time so this goes painfully slow while the grind is on hold and other ideas keep piling up

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>>30452408

>>30466152

>>30452408
Do it

how to draw pregger pone?

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can I get a redline on this?

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>>30468061
It's obvious you put some effort into this, but you still have a lot to work on. It really just kind of looks like a mess. And I didn't even get started on your shadows and highlights (white over black, but gray over white). And why does the neck part of the tie look disproportionate to the knot? Looks like thick string.

Refer to the OP for some good tutorials and reference on anatomy and pony structure.

sorry for messy pic, i was too lazy to expand the canvas and tried to speed out this redline because i'm on schedule.

Social interaction sucks
You cant git gud while you do

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>>30468061
I don't think anyone's ever done this, hahaha
>>30468402
I appreciate the time and effort you put into this but it was made for a shitty request (pic related) and it was a shitty delivery by me >>30451850

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>>30432636
Does anyone have something like this, but for Discord?

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>>30464862
There's a few beginner mistakes with the character composition, like the bulk of the tail, the legs being too flat, the facial symmetry being off, the pillow being a bag of cement instead of interconnected fiber mass. the wing shape and horn being almost flat facing.

Also background perspectives are a bit haphazardly crafted. Would make sure they all meet at the same point. shading is a whole another beast to start to troubleshoot here and I got work to do so i just have to leave it to someone else! Anyway I hope these red lines provide at least some help.

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>>30471547
Thanks a lot man, this is exactly what I needed.
Not sure if I should even bother redrawing it though, probably gonna take another week.

>>30471547
>>30471661
Also, how do I actually learn character composition? Like when I was looking at the drawing it seemed fine but once you point things out it's so obvious, even though I didn't even notice it or didn't know how to fix it.

>>30471796
Study form and movement in real life. Some of this stuff just naturally comes to people, even if they practiced in the past it's second nature to them. Like this >>30471547 guy, he knows his shit and can set it up in seconds. You just need to keep practicing and eventually you will be as good as him.

>>30471948
>You just need to keep practicing
No way around it then, I'll do my best, thanks!

Is there an archive of all the newbie artist training grounds challenges over the years? Not interested in the images, only interested in the challenges themselves.

>>30472034
As a tip, try imagining your composition in as much detail as possible. Your imagination just throws things and your brain fills in the blanks, but you never really pay attention to detail, you need to focus on that detail.

>>30472516
I try to imagine as much as possible but when it comes to the drawing itself I find myself lacking the ability to lay it down like I imagine it, or even worse, accepting the compromise between what I wanted and what I've drawn, thinking that it's alright. Like with the legs, I tried to change them a lot but in the end it was the approach itself I took that wasn't right at all, and yet even knowing this I was ready to accept it. I hope it's just the lack of practice and not something I'm stuck with forever.

>>30472464
I have a list of the ones I've personally held. I'm not sure if you're looking for the challenge description or if you want to see the outcome? If you'd like palettes/charts just let me know:
1. Palette challenge with a shitty challenge
2. Palette challenge with less shitty palette challenge
3. Palette AND pony rolls challenge
4. Best or worst OC you can possibly make
5. Easy/medium/hard expressions charts
6. 2-3 colors only (counting black and white) with a palette of your own choice
7. Basically a 7-day theme challenge. Day 1: weather, Day 2: food, etc

>>30472561
I'm the drawfag who redlined >>30471547
"The vision" is hardest thing to develop and took me years of refining to get where I am at now. And I am nowhere near where I want to be. But I keep looking at the world around me, really straining my brain in taking in the compositions, lights and shadows, the way things sit in the environment, how much they project their own colors, shadows and reflections to materials around them. I study shapes, landscapes, how buildings look like and consciously try to convert what I see into a image I'd draft on paper, where in what I look at I would draw lines, how to crosshatch or what kind of brush stroke is needed etc.
It takes a lot of thought and focus to keep the vision up while you build your scene. I would try making a ton of black and white / grayscale illustrations before starting with colors if I were you. This forces you to see more shadows and shapes instead of relying to color and smooth fade to "fake" some depth.

Good luck in your attemps and remember, if your thinking isn't hurting your brain, you're not giving it enough effort.

>>30472650
I definitely agree that trying to envision things properly is really hard and it's a big problem for me, I guess there's no easy way to do it.
>I would try making a ton of black and white / grayscale illustrations before starting with colors if I were you. This forces you to see more shadows and shapes instead of relying to color and smooth fade to "fake" some depth.
Yes, I really need to do that, I often find myself lost when it comes to these things, I've gotta start doing things properly.
>if your thinking isn't hurting your brain, you're not giving it enough effort
It's more of a state of anxiety/panic because I mostly just try to reduce the damage done and trying to make things look passable because I don't really know what I'm doing.
Thanks again, friend, this really helps me.

>>30472717
If you take a look and compare >>30471547>>30463663, you will notice that there's a level of perspective that is corrected, and how the objects in the foreground and background relate to the pony herself. You really need to keep in mind perspective as well as dynamic angels to further better your composition. There's a good thread on /ic/ about it, I highly recommend reading it for insight on perspective. That's just another thing to keep in mind while creating a piece.

>>>/ic/3040221

>>30473840
I don't think I understood even a fraction of what's going on over there. Makes me wonder if I should be doing this at all.

>>30432636

>>30475319
One step at a time, Anon.

Bu

>>30475319
Don't give up. my Art school teacher said talent is acquired through building of skill. So work on technique and the innate understanding will emerge.

>>30479773
post work

neVA GIvu AAAPP

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Trying to make them look like panties, while still adhering to gravity. Anyone have any ideas?

>>30481286
You using a reference for a similar pose?

>>30481686
None of the images on derpi that have the "raised leg" and "panties" tag have the panties hanging from the leg, otherwise I would be using one.

>>30481692
Reference a human doing it if only to see how the fabric drape works.

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>>30481286
I tried to shape them out better but finding this pose with humans would be a lot easier-> >>30481800

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>>30482216
L-Lewd

>>30482268
Sorry...?
>>30482216
Also I guess I should say I didn't draw her vag or anything, it's just the standard pony tummy

Friendly reminder that digital is not art rather it is entertainment
Traditional is art

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>>30432636
The Imgur album has a guide for drawing chubby ponies, but nothing for drawing pregnant ponies. Is there a guide for that out there somewhere?

>>30482367
Not to my knowledge, but did we get to see Mrs. cake pregnant or actually probably Cadence I think we did. Then you just need to do a study of them

>>30482216
That's worse than the original, at least it looked like cloth not plastic.

>>30482367
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Obese_horses
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Pregnant_mares

>>30482367
Use a fucking ref.

>>30479938
I do, couple times a week.

>>30482804
nice excuse, just another shit artist wasting time

>>30482787
I'm pretty sure it was neither, at least in terms of being visibly pregnant

>>30484349
I'm looking really hard because I could have sworn we saw Cadence pregnant

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please critique this. I don't know why CSP made the pen tool have that low AA look because the other pens didn't have it. I tried to do a simple coloring/shading style, but it obviously didn't turn out so great.

>>30484422
We heard that she was "having a baby", but she was never visibly pregnant.

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>>30484349
>>30482367
I found pic related and it's not a guide, and I'm pretty sure it's a fake. That said, I think it can still be used as a reference

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>>30484441

>>30484448
It's fake, look at the line on the stomach that makes it look less like a big round belly and more like an elongated hernia

>>30484717
Well yeah, it was just the only one I could find that wasn't ridiculous looking

>>30484753
redliner-sama, give me some tips.

>>30484441
You could benefit from using a reference for anon. The hands look a bit pudgy and low detail.

Her horn could be bigger too, maybe that's your style, but slightly bigger would benefit, I think.

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>>30484753

Lines are what get me. Solid smooth lineart is currently my biggest weakness. I'm running Krita, what do you guys recommend for it?

I can't freehand consistently good lines to save my life, so I think I'm left with the bezier curve tool.

>>30485539
>what do you guys recommend
CSP.

CSP has a great stabilizer system.

>>30485549
CSP?

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>>30485539
I use the Dynamic Brush Tool myself

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>>30485539
>GitGu-
okay draw lots and lots of freehand circles, I mean at least 5 pages (front and back) a day then start doing the connect the two dots in one motion exercise

Do these on paper not the tablet.

>>30485590
Clip Studio Paint. It's an art program. It's like SAI on steroids, like 1000x better. What photoshop is to photos is what CSP is to 2d illustration.

see >>30433097 for the download link.

>>30485849
I'll do it, practice is practice, but how well will that transition to tablet?

>>30485885
That's what I thought about Krita, and despite unwillingly being moved to the program, I'm fairly happy with it. But after how you described CPS, I don't know, I think I'll have to give it a shot. Hopefully it's available for Linux.

>>30485849
Also, you don't mean the method where you spin the paper around and keep your hand frozen, do you? You mean drawing circles start to finish?

>>30486134
traditional practice translates very well to digital, trust me. You dont know how to free hand effectively right now no matter what tool, so looking down at your paper while you do it will help build confidence.
>>30486190
no I mean literally freehand it, pen or pencil on paper and draw a circle quickly. notice how uneven it is? draw it again over the same spot trying to correct what you think are the mistakes. repeat 3 times then move to the side and repeat. it'll train your muscle memory and help with line confidence.

>>30486413
Yosh. Thanks, Anon. Did what you said, and holy hell, were you right. The circles were all mostly unsteady, but I did slowly start doing better. A lot of the times I wasn't properly connecting the circle either, and would end just above it or cross the beginning. Was happy to see the occasional consistent circles here and there.

For the other exercise, would I just make the dots myself, and make curves or lines connecting them?

Thanks again.

>>30486552
Yup make two dots a good distance apart and ghost your arm to connect them aka make like you want to draw the line but dont actually put your pen/pencil to the paper. Do this 3-4 times per line and then actually put the tip to the paper and make the line. There are video examples of this if it sounds confusing.

>>30435762
Whats wrong with lazy nezumi? That shit helps me to get done way faster with the linart process, without it i need around 30mins more to get the dang lines right

>>30486661
some people say it makes you lazy in that you don't learn how to properly make a line smooth on your own via use of the shoulder and elbow, but it's mostly a personal preference thing

How do I color pretty?

I got into a bad habit where I was told to darken an entire canvas one dark color, hit that layer to multiply, then erase where light is supposed to hit
Pls help show me the light

>>30485539
Krita has a stabilizer, look for it

I want to see a drawing already: draw twilight selling a car to Gilda. I want your crappiest work, I don't care if it's in pen or with ms paint, multiple submissions accepted, GO!

>>30486696
Ill be lazy anytime if i can avoid 30+minutes of drawing a line and ctrl+z-ing it until it looks good. If i want to practice my lineart I draw traditionally. Also, my stabilizer is set to such a weak level that it's barely noticeable, it just takes the tiny occasional wobbles out of the lines

>>30486727
I use it, but my lines still come out bad by looking too artificial and stiff, and I'll usually never be able to do the entire segment in one stroke; I think I might need to zoom out in those scenarios, but I'm not sure.

Using what >>30485849 this Anon posted helped me see it's not the tool. If anything, I need to simply need to find a stabilizer setting that works as I keep practicing.

>>30484851
Sure, what do you need help with

>>30485007
I mean of Cadence. I didn't think to look for other ponies because I'm an idiot

>>30486762
I believe you are in the wrong thread, friend.
>>30372776

>>30487451
I just want some tips. Compose and headline it as "MC REDLINER: TOP TEN TIPS AND TRICKS"

And just give us some good tips that may be obscure or popular. Anything honestly, I trust you on this.

>>30487960
For ponies or everything?

>>30487545
...No I'm not though, because-drawing, and life and PLZ?

>>30488115
This is the Improvement thread, not the Drawfag thread. You're more likely to get it there because what you want isn't a challenge, it's a request.

>>30488148
O.k. fine if you want a challenge... you need to draw it in mlp the movie style, and use a car from 2004, and put vapor art on the hood.... I guess.

>>30488177
nah

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I'm in the market for a new tablet. My current one is a Wacom CTH-470.

What are you guys using and would you recommend it? Bonus points if it works on linux without issues and you can turn off the damn touch function

>>30488513
The new Intuous pro small (replacing the now outdated Bamboo), you CAN get rid of the touch, it's in the properties. I like it but I'm using a 17" screen and sitting on a couch so it works well

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>>30488513
Well, that all depends on what you're going for. Something affordable and standard in performance, or something more high end? Things to consider mentioning.

Seeing as how you're using a tablet I once had, I wanted to recommend mine if you were leaning more towards the former, but a quick search lead me to discover it must have stopped being manufactured quite a while ago. Which is a shame. It was simple, more so than your model as it outright LACKS a touch feature, but if you valued a large working area and simple performance, at $60, it was a steal. It also runs on Linux, and I have to to say, I'll miss it once it's finally run its course.

I can't even find a model name for it anymore.

>>30488640
fug it's pricey
>>30488646
this? https://www.amazon.ca/Monoprice-6-Inch-Graphic-Drawing-105553/dp/B002LAK17Y/ref=sr_1_24?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1499666816&sr=1-24&keywords=monoprice+drawing+tablet

>>30488646
This is good too
>>30488786
I think it was $80? But I had a Bamboo that lasted 6-7 years and the only reason I stopped using it was because I lost the stylus. But if you don't want to spend that much, that's fine.

>>30488832
i'm checking amazon and it's listing it at $300. is there a model number?

>>30488786
Huh. I should have known to check Amazon. But yes, that's the tablet. Odd I couldn't find it on Monoprice's website...

It seems to be a tad on the pricer side with this link, however... It's a solid buy, but for an 100 dollar asking price, I'd continue exploring my options. Sorry, wish I could have been a little more helpful.

>>30488881
That is NOT the tablet I have, haha. I really fucked up the name, sorry. It's this one: https://us-store.wacom.com/Catalog/Pen-Tablets/Intuos-Draw-Small-S01#/undefined1
Like I said it's basically the replacement for Bamboos

>>30488908
>>30488891
thanks, i'll research these

How is it Krita seems really slow?

>>30490197
Because it's an overhyped overbuggy piece of shit as it stands right now. Maybe in 10 years it might take over if Adobe doesn't step it the fuck up but as of now I wouldn't recommenced using it.

>>30490247
Yeah.

I'm rather fond of the lightweight mindset of SAI

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>>30485007
>>30487463

too high to draw bump

>>30488091
yes

>10

bumo=p

>>30492028
never too high

This is going to sound dumb but what are some pregpone scenarios you'd like to see drawn that haven't been?

I like drawing de bellies but the focus is usually on the belly and for pones, when they stand, their legs get in the way of their belly, and so its best to draw them laying on their sides or back

So, yea, suggestions?

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how to git gud?

>>30497916
This.

Even sketching seems to hard for me to get the hang of it

>>30497916
>>30497925
Draw a lot
Like
A LOT

>>30497936
this and use references. Read guides online. Don't be content with mediocrity.

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>>30493371
uh, okay. I hope this is what you're looking for

- learn fundamentals. If you don't know what that includes, look at the OP for a link
- learn basic human anatomy. it'll come in really handy unless you choose to never draw a human ever. With this, I also suggest...
- learn how to do gesture drawings. You want to capture the movment or emotion, etc but not by doing contour drawings. Another thing to look up (I think youtube would help best)
- >>30497936 this and >>30497946
- learn basic 1, 2, and 3 point perspective. It will help your scenes look way more convincing
- draw what you see, not what you think you see. I cannot stress this one enough
- If possible, try as many art mediums as you can which can be, but not limited to, graphite, charcoal, collage, assemblage, pastel, colored pencils, oil/water/acrylic paint, markers, ink, digital, clay, etc. The more you know about each medium the more it will help you improve as an artist. I know some of these can be expensive, so maybe ask friends if they have anything they can donate. If you don't have friends, try thrift stores or even kids craft supplies. You can do amazing things with any material if you put effort into it
- Take in everything you see. How does a tree's branches branch off? Try to figure out the perspective of a simple building and draw it if you can (bring a ruler for that), watch the way a squirrel runs and hops - you get it right?

Basically: be a good observer, have a lot of time & patience, don't be afraid of experimenting, don't be afraid of failing because you're going to fail and that will help you learn a lot, bring a small sketchbook everywhere if you can, and mostly just have fun and enjoy it.

These are mostly generic so if you want something more specific let me know
ignore my shitty bob ross pinkie

how to draw horse ass?

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>>30498787
Is this a subtle way to promote the tutorial you posted yesterday, NC? Fine, I'll bite. Plz draw some Dash butt in return.
https://raps-draws-bootayy.tumblr.com/post/162830952236/butts-and-some-tips-hind-legs-can-be-very-tricky

>>30498212
>Just a list of shit
>Not even a 800x2000 PNG image with colors, flashy lights, and reference.
>No popout pictures that help detail the tips.
>No pony character pointing at one of the tips are commenting on it
>No headliner
>no nothing

>>30498982
I seriously hope you are being ironic right now.

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>>30498982
Congratulations, you are now in charge to put everything you listed in your next post, who must be organized perfectly and in high resolution

What shapes is Discord made of?

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>>30499288
Lots of different ones.

>>30499288
everything is boxes
boxes made out of spheres

>10

>10

>>30498808
I'll take "weird cookie cutters I found at grandma's house" for $200, Alex

>10
NICE COMBO!
WANT FRIES WITH THAT?

>>30498840
thanks
will draw horse but now

>>30505001
*butt

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didn't draw in a week

How to stop being overambitious?

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>>30506710
didn't ddraw in 2 months

>>30507318
...fu-

>>30506710
>>30507318
Just draw.

>10

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Don't forget your anatomy, friends.

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I know this book looks like it would be terrible based on the name and cover, but it's actually surprisingly decent, specifically the proportions, anatomy, skeleton, and muscles part (it's by a furry artist and they do know their anatomy...).

It's pretty much aimed at emulating the FiM style (though they make it very clear they're NOT affiliated with MLP...) but the anatomy section can be applied to more personalized drawing styles. It's particularly helpful if you (like me) really suck and just want to become OK/decent at drawing show-style(ish) ponies pretty fast.

I only have the physical copy... does anyone have a PDF? It's not in the Mega archive at the top. I guess I could scan a few pages when I get home tonight.

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>>30511467
Here's a low-res picture of some of those pages from google images. Still would appreciate a PDF link if anyone has it.

>>30511482
http://iwatchitfortheplot.romesilvanus.io/Pony/_Non-MLP%20related/

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>>30511522
Thanks my dude. I forgot about that site. Seems like it has literally every piece of pony media ever released...

Anyways here's those drawings in somewhat higher resolution. They're basically the same stuff you can find lots of other places for free, but the book covers a lot of other things, proportions (incl. bigger ponies and kid ponies), angles (front, 3/4 view, behind, above/below), poses, facial expressions, etc. So if anyone's looking for a good beginner's guide that is still mostly anatomy-based, check out that pdf (or buy the book I guess).

>>30511467
>if you (like me) really suck and just want to become OK/decent at drawing
show work

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>>30511639
Here's another part form the book copied and pasted together. Leg joints are another thing beginners often have trouble with (which ways they can bend etc). It helpfully includes the equivalent human arm/leg joints for comparison. There are a lot of example poses in the book as well, jumping, crouching, laying down, rearing, etc.

>>30512620

Anyone else just like to sketch on paper?

I don't have any fancy drawling computors but I would still like classic paper and pencil better even if I did

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for this one,I have mainly problems with the sleepy face(eyes) and the hooves

looks simple but it's hard to me to find a decent face

it's the least awkward result I've made so far

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>>30513444
pretty much classical fag too
polishing drunk on pc though

nice digits

>>30513444
Yes!
I technically do have a fancy drawing computor (Well a ~$100 Wacom Intuos so not THAT fancy), but I barely ever use it. I just can't get into it, at least not for sketching/day-to-day drawing. (I do use it for coloring scanned pencil drawings).

I think the main reason is because I like to draw BIG. I use a 11x14" sketchbook and I usually take up most of the page. And of course the feeling of pencil on paper just can't be recreated when using a drawing tablet. I dunno, I've tried for years to switch to a drawing tablet full time, but I just draw worse and slower when using one. I know you have to re-train yourself a bit to really become proficient, but I honestly just don't enjoy the experience of drawing when using a tablet, unlike pencil and paper which I find relaxing. So, I still stick to pencil and paper for sketch (sometimes actual pen for line work) then scan into the computer for coloring.

>>30513467
>looks simple but it's hard to me to find a decent face
Try drawing the face normally, and then blacking out the eyes

>>30513545
so,instead of a sleepy face,a normal one,is it?

alright,and how is the rest?
the hooves seem like a joke drawing them but I doubted a lot if they were fine completely straight

>10

>>30513582
Make the base of them straight and only at the end should you curve them.

>>30482216
>>30482791
I have to agree, the original looked more like fabric being pulled by gravity

>10

>10

Have you gotten gud today?

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bamp

>>30518360
got back into it

boop

>>30518360
How do you know if you're getting gud?

>>30519275
When your new art is visually and technically better than your old art.

>>30518861
How so? What have you done? I'm just doing boxes today.

>>30519334
My art is getting worse. Like back in 2014-2015 I had lots of free time so I could draw a lot but now I have a job and real life responsibilities and shit and can barely ever find time to draw. And when I finally do sit down and start drawing, after an hour I'm just frustrated cuz what I've just drawn looks worse than what I could do 2-3 years ago.

Basically how tf can I find the time to draw? It can take a couple hours to make a finished drawing right? I only have like 1 MAYBE 2 or if i'm really lucky 3 "free" hours each day because of my job and other stuff, and that's not including dinner, I have to fit that in there somewhere. Not to mention this doesn't including using that precious time to maintain the very few friendships I still have, and other activities which I used to do for fun. (I still haven't even beat the new Zelda for example since I play only a few hours a week).

Everyone tells me "you don't have to give up on your creative side" and that it'd even be good for me to "get back in touch" with my creative side but it def. seems like I basically have to choose between doing creative stuff and having a 10+ hr a day professional job +1-1.5hr commute each way (a job I'm extremely lucky to have too, pays way more than I probably should be making with this little experience, I got extremely lucky)

Maybe I'm just too old for this shit (28).

>>30519432
just doodle if you don't have the time for a full pic then
I feel you, I just started a fulltime job recently and I haven't been able to put out full pics as consistently lately either

>>30519432
Just keep sketching. Fuck color and rendering, just sketch or paint. That way you build skill in those few hours and don't have to worry about pieces being extravagant.

post your work

>>30519432
Are you me? Barely any free time for myself and that I spend drawing (vidya and everything else that's not drawing is out of question at this point). I'm also pretty much just starting out so it's so frustrating to learn at a slow pace because of time. At least I can draw boxes and shit at work sometimes.
I'm also 28 so maybe we are a bit too old for this.

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Enjoy some shit tier art from me.

>>30519716
>implying shit

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My con badge for bronycon. Ill be there if anyone wants free sketches of their oh sea.

>>30519731
It's shit.

press L to love your senpai

>>30519746
Thank you, finally some degenerate gets it.

>>30519716
>tripfag
>"if I say my art is shit someone will compliment me and say that it isn't"
Get the fuck out.

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>>30511467
>>30511482
>>30511522
>>30511639
>>30511870
Nice. Too bad there's no chapter about horsepussy ^:) but it looks pretty helpful overall. Thanks for sharing.
>>30519786
_L_

>>30519792
kys or get the fuck out.

>>30520036
>>30520104
Samefag

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First time taking any type of sketch to completion. Looking for criticism / advice.

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>>30520744
I would position the ear back and lower a bit, the eyes could be more rounded. The muzzle is a bit pointed for my tastes, I would slightly round that out and re-position the nostrils. Her cheek is a bit droopy/fat compared to the other cheek. Pic related is me trying to keep your style but smoothing things out a bit.

Also don't forget to flip your canvas horizontally. It's very important you do that. What that does is gives you a new perspective to see your image. Like when you look in the mirror vs how people look at your face normally. It shows your flaws better.

>>30519786
L

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>>30520129

>>30519716
I'd like to be this bad

>>30523219
same

>>30520036
>>30520104
>"Wahhh. he said it's bad but I think it's good so I'm going to bitch"

But Anons, it is shit. He obviously doesn't know how forms work at all and thinks he can compensate by using shit chicken scratchy linework. Get that leddit shit out of here an actually evaluate what's posted instead of bitch like an edge lord.

>>30519716
And as for you, learn fundamentals.

>>30523341
>doesn't know how forms work at all
Elaborate
>compensate by using shit chicken scratchy linework
It's a sketch.
>fundamentals
Of?

>>30523351
>Elaborate
>It's a sketch.
No control over line-weight, it makes the image read flat, not that the flat profile perspective is helping either. It being a sketch doesn't give it an excuse to be shit, and if you think it does learn to apply yourself, or don't post it in a drawfag improvement thread. Learn perspective, how light works around forms, and to control lines better.

>>30520036
>>30520104
We make fun of people that don't wise up enough to get better, not people who realize how shit they are. I guarantee you everyone who posts here think they're shit.

>>30522097
Thanks so much! Haven't heard of flipping the canvas, that is very sound advice.

>>30435762
Lazy Nezumi doesn't draw for you retard

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what do when you suck horribly on outlining? so much that you dont even get started on values and shading and ligh and shit because a shitty base makes for a shitty drawing

>>30523368
>No control over line-weight, it makes the image read flat, not that the flat profile perspective is helping either.
It's a fucking sketch.
>h-hur durr you're not following proper horse anatomy and your perspective is off, the image doesn't even line up with the horizon and you're missing a few vanishing points. You also forgot the fur so it looks like it's skin and the pupils are white!
Neck yourself, it's a fucking sketch.

>>30524257
>Still hiding behind the excuse that it's a sketch to be shit at drawing.

Are you Zimbabwe?

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>>30524356
Are you literally fucking retarded? It's a sketch, it doesn't matter if it isn't good on a technical level, as he was literally just drawing shit just to draw. He's not trying to create a piece, he's not trying to do a commission, he's not giving it to the fucking pope, it's just a simple drawing.

Please point out how I lack composition, have no set perspective, have a flat image, and lack >fundamentals.
Fucking autist.

>>30524373
Okay, your definition of a sketch is different from every other artist then.

>>30519716
If you're not looking to improve why post here then while acknowledging you're shit? Not to mention signing work and name fagging as well

This thread isn't for blogposting. No one cares about your shit art. Go to the drawthread.

>>30524391
>why post here then while acknowledging you're shit
In my experience I haven't seen a single person in these threads that's actually good. Most people admit they're shit, and that's why they're here.

>>30524410
That's half of it. The other half is attempting to improve. Drawing without improvement is for the drawthread.

>>30524373
This thread is for people who want to improve, not for people who just want to make "simple drawings".

Go away.

>>30524428
>This thread is for people who want to improve, not for people who just want to make "simple drawings".
No, really? Redundant post.

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My biggest problem is that I'm such a slow drawer. Even this picture (the latest sfw picture I can actually post here) took several hours. I'd have tons of ideas, but when it takes hours to do something other people draw in minutes, I'll never get to use a fraction of a percent of them.

How can I learn to draw faster?

>>30524540
Why is Fluttershy freezing his balls with an icepack?

>>30524566

They're hurt, for reasons left to viewers imagination.

>>30524540
>reverse image search
What the fuck, man.

Regardless, I know your feel. I've spent hours on a piece that should've taken roughly 20 minutes. I always brush it off like "I was figuring new tricks out with color and layers, that's why it took long, next time will be even faster!" But that shit never happens, just a scape goat for my shitty skill.

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>>30520744
I made her face more rounded, made the eyes slightly bigger, and made the mouth look more like it was connected to the nose/muzzle like it should be

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>>30525454
What the fuck, sorry wrong image

>>30524540
>How can I learn to draw faster?
Keep sketching/doodling. Just try to draw slightly faster. Don't worry about making an image look perfect, just keep drawing ponies a bunch of times. Don't worry about cleaning up your lines, just keep drawing a new pose/character each time, or keep practicing your current one.

>>30525458
Her left eye needs to be re-leveled. And the left side of her face needs to be rounder in the sense of a circle. It's too much like an oval.

>>30525529
I wanted to stick to their style instead of drawing the whole thing over

>>30520036
>tripfag
>tripfag
gtfo to lurk moar you fukin piss-whisk

>>30524373
nice job tracing xkcd moron

>>30526460
>being this stupid

>>30497936
Also, draw what makes you happy, you'll keep doing it then. Drawing whatever i wanted without minding other peoples possible reactions brought me surprisingly far

>>30526872
post work

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>>30520744

Facial structure made a world of difference

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can I have some more pairs of eyes to crit this?

specifically the castle, Im thinking about redoing it entirely

>>30527829
All I see is an urban Taj Mahal. It looks good, but that's all I see.

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>>30460843
Me too.

page 10 save

>>30527930
Why is the human flipping FS off while Bugs Bunny watches?

>>30527930
>again this fag with stolen art style attenshionwhoring
God why, what happened with this thread?

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I didn´t git gud,instead I finished this >>30513467

I kept the closed eyes in the end.
I only retouched the tail a little bit and that was it. I didn´t know how to draw the hexagons slightly behind the wing,so I decided to keep it simple.
Like other anons said with their own works,this took me longer than it looks.

>>30530382
Are you 7yo?

>>30530396
nope,simply that I didn´t have art material and haven´t started for not even a week

>>30530410
It's so bad I don't even know what to say, sorry.

>>30530435
alright,thanks for the reply anon

>>30531033

>10

Have you guys gotten gud today?

>>30533426
I'm just doing more fundies. Neglected them for a while. That butt tutorial from a while back is sort of helping me with a breakthrough though. I really realized recently how much you have to just "feel it," you know?

>10

>tfw you have to throw away your sketchbook because of all the lewd shit you've drawn

>>30534673
>tfw you just save that shit on your password protected pc
^:)

>>30533444
Yes, feel the butt.

>10

>>30519716
Nice to see a 10 min drawing I did get people this mad and argue over it. :3c
Never change /mlp/