S07E09 Episode Countdown & Discussion Redux

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Discovery episodes previously aired on Treehouse:
S07E10 - A Royal Problem - June 10
S07E11 - Not Asking For Trouble - June 17

Unaired:
S07E12 - Discordant Harmony
When Discord invites Fluttershy to his realm for tea, he worries she won't be comfortable there and begins to change it and himself with disastrous results.
S07E13 - The Perfect Pear
The Apple Siblings learn about their parent's love story and find out that they're half Pear.
S07E14 - Fame and Misfortune
Twilight Sparkle's publishing of the friendship journal has unintended consequences when ponies start to argue over who wrote the best lessons.
S07E?? - Triple Threat
Spike accidentally invites Ember and Thorax to Ponyville on the same day. He's sure the two new leaders are not going to get along so he does all he can to keep them apart and cover the fact that the other is there.
S07E?? - Campfire Tales
When their sister camping trip is ruined by Fly-ders, Applejack, Rarity and Rainbow Dash tell Sweetie Belle, Apple Bloom and Scootaloo the stories of their favorite legends; inspired by the tales, the girls make the most out of their new situation.
S07E?? - Daring Done
(synopsis unconfirmed) Rainbow Dash's favorite author announces her retirement. Dash convinces Pinkie Pie to find out if the book on Daring Do will be closed forever.
S07E?? - A Health of Information
While helping Fluttershy gather supplies, Zecora comes down with a terrible disease called Swamp Fever; even though a cure has not been discovered, Fluttershy makes it her mission to heal Zecora no matter what it takes.
S07E?? - To Change A Changeling
Starlight Glimmer and Trixie try to get Thorax's brother Pharynx to accept the new way by sharing love and transforming so he doesn't undermine Thorax's leadership, and that the hive will ultimately accept him.

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S07E?? - It Isn't The Mane Thing About You
When Rarity's shampoo is accidentally switched with Zecora's magical remover potion, she does everything she can to fix her devastated mane in time for an upcoming photo shoot.
S07E?? - Once Upon A Zeppelin
Twilight is torn when she discovers the cruise she and her family are on is a themed vacation experience in which ponies have paid for the privilege of spending time with her, and she must please both her family and the cruise attendees.
S07E?? - Marks and Recreation
Wanting to help as many blank flanks as possible, the CMCs start a Cutie Mark Day Camp, but are surprised when one of their campers doesn't want a cutie mark.
S07E?? - Secrets and Pies
When Pinkie Pie thinks she sees Rainbow Dash throw away one of her pies, she suspects the worst - that Rainbow Dash secretly hates her pies; Pinkie Pie attempts to catch Rainbow Dash in her web of lies.

AJ: Bright Mac and Pear Butter, grampa Old Grand Pear
Romeo & Juliet style duet in flashback.
-5 songs total
-William Shatner & Felicia Day guest-starring
-Pony of Shadows

>There are people on the planet who unironically like apples

>>30224558
I only like them baked or as an ingredient in other stuff. I don't like the texture.

4 hours until episode!

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>>30224558
>strawberryfags

Applejack did nothing wrong.

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>>30224657
I like banana

I want everyone watching this episode to know that Applejack knew it was a bad idea and Rarity is to be blamed entirely for what happened all through it.

Oh yeah, that episode...
Meh.
Everyone was good/ok, except Applejack.
Dumb one-trick pony.

>>30224657

doctors pls go

>>30224827
You mean Rarity.

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>>30224835
No. Applejack is a terrible character, a walking redneck stereotype, except replace Texas with Apples. They're not even trying to nuance it anymore.

>>30224525
>http://ponycountdown.com/ doesn't even show time remaining anymore because the fucking leaves ruined everything
Doesn't seem like any season can go right.

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>finally getting some more Lily & Inky porn

>>30224847
Applejack was smarter than Rarity this episode, says a lot then if Rarity is dumber than a redneck stereotype.

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>>30224835
>>30224857
>applefag damage controlling this hard

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>>30224865
>I picked you up to be a neutral vote when I had three judges rating three participants.

>>30224857
Applejack wasn't able to read any kind of facial or social clues and just acted like an elephant in a china shop until Rarity shoved that dumb behaviour back in her face. And of course the punchline was lol fucking apples.

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>>30224875
>every judge voted for a different candidate and it came down to appul
Hurr

>>30224877
Applejack refused at first, Rarity insisted she'll think about it and she only "shoved dumb behaviour" back at her face when everything blew up and everyone abandoned her, when she could have had stopped it at the very beginning. And the fact that Applejack didn't even vote for anyone in the end and Rarity was happy about it makes the episode entirely pointless.

>>30224882
I guess Rarity, like the viewers, counted on Applejack being able to take some fucking hints.
But yeah, like I said, meh episode.

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>applejack decides to be bluntly honest even though she's usually the one trying to avoid questions or sugercoat them before dash yells the blunt answer out.

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>>30224898
She literally said she wanted Applejack to judge the practicality, which she did. It ended the episode with Applejack saying she knows nothing about fashion and can't make a judgement, which means she didn't even do what Rarity wanted because apparently it'll hurt ponies' feelings and that's bad. There was no reason to have Applejack as a judge because the end clothes had no changes added to them in favor of functionality, Rarity is a dumb cunt.

>>30224917
Applejack is an even dumber cunt cause she could've said no, but hey, she made her sister stop wearing a dumb hat so now she can just stomp all over the place like she owns it without even trying to get a feel for the situation or regard to others' feelings.
>>30224911
Fucking this.

>>30224941
She did say no but Rarity insisted that she thinks about it and Applejack decided to help her friend because hey, she does know practical clothes.

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>>30224528
When is Discordant Harmony going to air?

2 hours until episode

>>30224966
We don't know. August at earliest, probably September.

>>30224855
>goth porn

That isn't the appeal.

I swear Scoots voice is getting more and more scratchy

horses

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>>30225105
Says you, and yous a bitch ass nigga.

"New episode" "airs" in two minutes.

>tfw nobody left to be hyp with

>>30225512
>15 posters
ded fandom

>>30225515
Leaves ruin 4chan, and additionally ruin television.

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>>30225524
Soon.

>>30225512
I'M HERE ANON!

>>30224525
this episode sucks

>>30225512
I'm rewatching it, but I'm not that hype because I didn't really care for the episode, with the exception of one scene.

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Post apple.

Dad's hat headcannon btfo

>>30224911
element of [HONESTY]

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>>30225569
>Human smaller than the horse
But, but, then it's not LITTLE pony.

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>>30225546
Didn't that already happen a couple season ago?

>>30225580
She's a honest mare.

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>>30225583
Yeah

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Friendly reminder we've figured out Applejack should be loyalty and RD should be honesty back in 2011 and every time the writers have a chance to prove us wrong, they only seem to reinforce this concept

This episode is shit

SHIT

>>30225581
It's LITTLE human
My Little Human

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Damn, Applejack is a straight up dick in this episode.

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>Rarity rockin' out

>>30225543
Give episode source for .gif

>>30225634
>straight up dick in this episode.
100% honest about fashion being one of the dumbest things in existence.

>finally get an episode where the main 6 is the focus
>it's terrible

AJ's gets more and more shit with each season.

>>30225650
>Making a character retarded to have a conflict
That's the only way they know how to write an episode

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Strawberry pone is best fruit pone.

>>30225650
meant to say AJ's voice

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>>30225650
>>30225653
It hurts

>>30225654
>Bring two random people together you know have a different opinion and make them discuss a controversial topic with each other
Does Rarity visit 4chan or something?

>>30225650
That's why we need more Starlight Glimmer™ on MLP, Anon. It's always a new adventure with a fresh character like her!

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THE VIEWER IS THE LOSER

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>>30225654
Fuck strawberries.

>>30225643
I don't remember, sorry.

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>>30225677
>Implying they aren't all Starlight fucks it up and then forgiven formula

I like how the fashion ponies Rarity used to gush about now treat her like a colleague.

Wait, wait, wait. So, having an opinion is bad, but only if you insult the thing someone likes... but it's also okay to hate something as long as you're not a complete dick about it?
Are opinions bad or not?

>>30225713
The show is lacking a bit of nuisance here

It should have been something along the lines of, "When someone asks you for an opinion on something they're passionate about you should be honest, but also take the time to consider what that thing means to them personally. It's fine to have a different opinion, but don't be a cunt about it and try to understand their point of view if at all possible."

At least that's my opinion on

>>30225713
>Are opinions bad or not?
Give your honest opinion, but be polite about it. Applejack was going a little overboard in stating her opinion. The episode was mostly Rarity's fault for even having her as a judge though, especially with the conditions she gave for it. She should have spent some time with AJ to help get her in the mindset for rating a fashion show instead of just throwing her in head first.

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>>30225713
Opinions are fine, just realize other people may have different opinions.
>I don't like your waifu, but you do and that's fine.

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>>30225753
No, fuck your waifu with a rake, mine is infinitely superior.

>>30225753
Make a thread like that and watch how quickly everyone on this board shits on you for it.

Tis not a lesson for 4chan, or at least not one the denizens can understand.

>>30225747
>Applejack was going a little overboard in stating her opinion
I was okay with her stating her opinion harshly. But when she grabbed the feather hat that took hours to put together and destroyed valley pony's hard work, that genuinely pissed me off.

>>30225654
I thought that was going to be Pinkie Pe in disguise.

>>30225773
This.

I was expecting her to be dismissive, but that was a step too far.

>>30225773
Did it piss you off because it was so out of character for her? Applejack is the most hardworking of ponies, there is no way she would destroy someone's hard work they spend a whole night working at.

>>30224847
Applejack is a more versatile of character. Despite the "lol apple" meme her episodes are rarely about her business. With Rarity EVERYTHING is about fashion to the point that the writers themselves have to make Rarity uncharacteristically over the top (random electric guitar solo; detective Rarity; motor gear Rarity) just to bring the audience away and not make it heavy.

>>30224877
Meh, if you actually look back at the early seasons Rarity had her own problems with social cues: she'd get so wrapped up in appearance or the look of something that'd she miss the cues around her: she couldn't help Twilight and company with the crystal pony research; she can't understand her sister like AJ or even RD can with theirs; she can't connect with Ponyvile or it's customs like she can with Manehatten. When she falls in any misery she loses the ability to see anything around her and goes into a black period with ice cream.

>>30225569
>human able to ride their pony
This, THIS is the way it should be.

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>>30225788
>she can't understand her sister like AJ or even RD can with theirs
>RD
>Sister

>>30225783
Not as much because it was out of character, but more that seeing something that took a lot of time and effort to create getting destroyed in a matter of seconds just sticks in my craw.

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>>30225759
I don't like your waifu, but it's all good. You like who you like and I've got no reason to give you shit for it.

>>30225763
Of course they would. That's kind of what this place is about.

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>>30225811
Might as well be canon now desu

>>30225811
RD took on Scoots as a sister(S3ep6) for a while now. The point still stands.

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>This whole episode.

>>30225834
>Comforting a small child means you're basically a brother/sister to them
I guess? >>30225822 is better indication of it though.

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>>30225816
I feel the same way, anon. She can be a little too blunt, but she wouldn't just fuck up someone's hard work like that.

>>30225843
They actually brought up the issue in that episode, anon.

Anyway it feels like you're chasing rabbits.

>>30225843
Scotaloo considers her as close as a sister.

>>30225816
>>30225853
If AJ doesn't know anything about fashion would she know how long it takes to put feathers on a hat? Any normalfag walking in would just assume kiddie craft time and some glue were involved.

>>30225868
Unless it's mutual it doesn't really mean much. Doesn't really seem mutual until later episodes.

>>30225877
The mare literally said she spend all night working on it.

>>30225853
But she wasn't fucking up their work from her standpoint. They were making a defective product and she got rid of the parts that worked against the practicality of the outfit.

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>>30225902
You've got a point there. I guess she forgot her lesson from "Suited For Success."

>>30225902
No, she was giving cirtique up until the point she grabbed the hat and started shaking it like fucking dog. At that point she ruined what that mare worked on.

Being brutally honest is in character for her, but being violent and destructive is not.

>>30225905
Who is that under the desk?

>>30225773
>when she grabbed the feather hat that took hours to put together and destroyed valley pony's hard work, that genuinely pissed me off.
Same. I can imagine Applejack telling the pony that the thing was awful, or stupid, or whatever. But I can't imagine her destroying other ponies' hard work.

>>30225908
Chapeau Chomper

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>>30225908

DL link or YT link when?

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>>30225918
There's a link here.
>>30225683

>>30225925
I meant DiscoFam links

>>30225918
See >>30225017

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Kidnapping is totally fine in Ponyville.

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>>30225916
Thanks.
>>30225917
I'm not sure why you're posting Applejack on top of that pony though.

>>30225933
You'll have to wait for a bit for that then

>>30225933
Bookmark dhne . ws / 1080

>>30225788
>Despite the "lol apple" meme her episodes are rarely about her business
It's not about her business, it's that literally all of her character is lol apples. Can't understand your point of view? Make it apple related. "Ohh now I get I was an asshole because hard work and apples". It's seriously infuriating because she's such a fucking joke. Back in season 1 she actually had her thing for rodeo, butting heads with Rainbow Dash and stuff, but now it's just apples apples apples. Watch her freak out about her parents because now she's not 100% apples any more. Fuck I hate her shitty fucking characterization.

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>Lily Lace used literally correctly
>AJ still corrects her

>>30225788
But that's always been one of Rarity's faults from the beginning. It doesn't fit Applejack at all.

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>>30226000
>"Applejack literally did it all by herself"
>Implying AJ did all fashion designs to construction works
Anon, I don't think that word means what you think it means

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And as I stated >>30225683 it doesn't matter to me if you watched it for the first time today or if you watched it with the accelerated horse, I would still very much appreciate it if you could take just a moment of your time to leave a rating for me.

As per usual, if you left your rating in this poll keeping in mind that if you rated back on the 14th this is an entirely different poll and I still need your rating here then feel free to ignore me.

>>30225683
After taking another time to go through it, I really think that I'm going to have to leave this episode with a 4/10, which makes it the definitive low point for me this season so far.

The premise was promising. Applejack judges a fashion show for Rarity and has trouble understanding the appeal. Sounds great on paper, but in practice this episode was kind of a mess.

Like another Anon said, this episode was very on the nose. Everything seemed alright up until Applejack decided that she was an absolute authority on something she knew she didn't understand. Even if she was focusing on practicality she pontificated on it to a degree that I feel put her out of character in this episode, with the defining moments being when she tore up Lilly's hat and said that fashion is ridiculous in front of a six ponies who she knows love fashion.

The bit with Strawberry Sunrise was alright and the interaction that Applejack and Rarity had in that scene was nice. That's the only reason I'm not going to give this a 3/10. That being said the whole interaction still seemed a bit forced to me.

All things considered, I really wish I could like this episode, It's really unfortunate becuase so far I've at least liked, if not loved, everything this season. The premise of the episode was promising and it did end up having some fun moments in it, but besides those moments that were all too fleeting the writing was subpar at best. And coming from me that's saying a lot, as I usually enjoy the show's writing.

Rarity had most of this coming, frankly. Applejack clearly explained that her taste is too practical to judge over fashion, and she wouldn't pull her punches, yet Rarity insisted. Next thing you know Applejack is in the middle of roasting the contestants and Rarity still doesn't intervene. She should have known this would happen and I think the episode would deserve a point extra if Rarity did some introspection and realized that this was her own fault, too.

Aside from that, a 7/10, maybe? Applejack/Rarity is about my least favourite matchup even though they did well in the end, and most of the fashion ponies feel one-dimensional, but I do like their appearance from time to time. All in all, nothing too bad, nothing to good either.

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Is this the first time we see her without glasses or am I slowpoking?

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>>30226065
I thought the premise seemed kind of forced. As much as I love some Rarijack, Fluttershy would have been a better choice. The episode would have been a lot different though.

>>30226076
>I think the episode would deserve a point extra if Rarity did some introspection and realized that this was her own fault, too.
This. I don't know how to form it into a moral but a lesson this episode certainly needed, as well as making Rarity in the wrong too.

>>30226080
Yeah, but Fluttershy would just approve everything. So, then, no conflict.

>>30226000
DUNCE

>>30224525
This is an old episode, what's this thread for? Only retards didn't watch leaf leak.

>>30226089
Yeah just like she did in Fluttershy Leans In, right?
>>30226079
I think so, it's not like we've seen Photo Finish often

>>30225994
>literally all of her character is lol apples
Not seeing it in the episodes, anon. How is making a family reunion come off right or reuniting with her childhood friend about "apples"?

>"Ohh now I get I was an asshole because hard work and apples"
Not sure how you get that. How many times has Twilight been carried away by the thought of research or Celestia? Applejack literally had to take over for Twilight more than once when she got like this. But for Twilight it's "endearing" when she goes off at this point of her character; or Rainbow not being able to study the history of the very group she fangirls over because? Rarity and her fashion walk in Eqg Everfree? Why would AJ not knowing the fashion area just be held against her?

>Watch her freak out about her parents because now she's not 100% apples any more
I kind of agree with you here. The whole Pear thing screams too much of that fandom comic, Applejack never gave Pinkie a hard time when she couldn't prove having appleblood, if AJ throws a fit over this, it will be very disappointing. That argument over strawberries this episode made no sense. Really hope AJ isn't falling into flanderization.

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>>30226089
I could see there being some conflict if fur/wool/leather was used in their designs. It could have also been some kind of resource(plant, gems) that impacts local wildlife. I'm not sure that would make for a good episode though, now that I think about it.

>>30226108
>Yeah just like she did in Fluttershy Leans In, right?
But the whole point of that was she knew what she was doing because she knows animal needs, so of course she won't sit there and let someone tell her what she needs.
Fashion isn't her thing, so if the fashion ponies want a hat covered with feathers, Fluttershy wouldn't question it, because she isn't a designer.

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>>30226144
She does know something about fashion though.
https://youtu.be/toKSJqwO02I

>>30226076
Here's a question: why weren't the other judges giving any constrictive criticism or help like they promised? They were ladling everything with praise, which they never did in the past.

AJ's comments earlier on were more minor and within her right; how does saying there's too much black cause them to faint? Too much was set up for AJ to fail. Feel like we might be having a different conversion if AJ didn't remove the feathers.

>>30226144
She would if she didn't think it wasn't right and Rarity specifically brought her to judge for a reason.
She'd give her opinion, as Applejack gave hers because that's what she was brought to do. She knew she didn't know fashion, but Rarity informed her that wasn't really the reason she wanted her there. Besides, Fluttershy does know a thing or two about fashion and dress making. If Rarity wanted her opinion she'd get it.

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>>30226088
When AJ says "What? I was just being honest", despite being a total autist, she actually has a point. This was exactly what she was asked to do, and Rarity even painfully played along for the most part.

>>30226080
>>30226089
Rewrite

>Rarity decides to throw a small competition to try to spotlight some up and coming talent in the fashion world. Instead of going with experienced judges she asks her friends, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy, and Applejack to judge the contestants with the hopes that having outsiders judge them would help them by keeping a low pressure atmosphere. However, Pinkie Pie's, Fluttershy's, and Applejack's conflicting tastes quickly lead to trouble.

r8

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>>30226173
>Pinkie wants more streamers

>>30226183
Pinkie wants high energy stuff

Fluttershy wants more reserved classical styles

AJ wants practical shit

>>30226115
>Not sure how you get that
Someone had to literally insult apples for her to get that what she's doing is insulting.
>Rarity and her fashion walk in Eqg Everfree
That was flanderized too.

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>>30226173
>>30226196
Haven't we already seen an episode with conflicting tastes and preferences that causes a problem?
Not Suited for Success, someone help me out here.

>>30226205
You mean the one with the boat?

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>>30226173
That sounds like a fun episode.

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>>30226223
Hmm, maybe.
In my mind it was more the way anon wrote though. 3 or so Ponies having different completely ideas on something and disagreeing as a result

Don't think it's Castle, Sweet Castle either

>>30226198
Yeah that apple strawberry scene too was flanderized. Didn't AJ eat a bunch of fruit pancakes with the gang and latter make some during that AB/Luna episode?

Two more issues I had with the episode:

Why did they leave the winner of the contest unshown? It's a lazy way to get to get to the end of the episode, plus it completely denies Applejack's importance in the episode: to be honest and take a clear preference of one over the other. As someone else mentioned, the rest of the judges did a poor job at judging, too.

This one is petty but why is Strawberry Sunrise so underdesigned? I understand that she's upgraded from an almost nameless background pony (so BG in fact that both her name and her race are inconsistent), but they could easily have improved her design. She just felt out of place. That said I did like her personality.

>>30226285
They said who the winner was. Applejack voted for everyone, so they all won.

>>30226261
Did you all miss Applejack saying
>Well that's fine if she doesn't like them

>>30226304
Oh right, how did I forget that. That's even worse though.

Why did AJ think all clothes have to be suitable for picking apples?

>>30226328
Thats literally all she lives for

>>30226325
>Character says they can't decide
>Everyone accepts that

How is that bad again? It would have been worse if they forced her to pick something.

>>30226285
>Why did they leave the winner of the contest unshown?
Does it really matter? There are still losers in mlp if that's what you wanted: Rarity and Sweetie should have won Sisterhoove Social; Twilight placed fifth in a race; Ponyvile lost the games. Do we really need it again this time?

The fact is that we had gotten to know these three minor characters and they needed to promote themselves at Rarity's store. Rarity still had to say ok in the end and if the judges really had a problem they could have made up their minds more.

>>30226240
I'm still baffled by that gif. That's something fucked up to show to kids.

>>30226389
Yea, it's funny though

>>30226173
So just a rerun of that episode where they get Rarity to make their dresses for the ball.

In other words, make shit we already liked and not try to do something new.

>>30226389

Worst part is the pone she lost to is Twist.

That's automatic suicide.

>>30226337
I don't believe that that was Applejack's honest answer. She has been extremely critical in the past, she should have real problem to pick one as "less objective" over the other, voiced carefully. The episode's conflict taught her that, if you need to give your opinion, you should do so kindly. A scene later she's put in a scenario where her opinion is actually desired and she just chickens out.

>>30226339
>Do we really need it again this time?
The way you put it, why not? The contestants are one-time characters and there is no emotion invested in them. It isn't even the "everybody is a winner" thing that bothers me, it is the fact that Applejack fails to implement the lesson she just learned.

>>30226261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWcxeBCOst4&t=18s

>>30226427
Understandable, I respect your opinion.

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Again, please take a moment to rate Season 7 Episode 9 "Honest Apple" here if you have not done so today.

If you need a refresher you can find a rip from the old Treehouse stream here https://stream.sunnysubs.com/s07e09.mp4

Other than that, continue having a great day.

Who /ChampionsLeague/ here?

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>>30226600
?

>>30226618
europoor thing

>>30226427
>The contestants are one-time characters and there is no emotion invested in them
A lot of episodes would fall apart if that were the case.

>it is the fact that Applejack fails to implement the lesson she just learned
What lesson was that? Everyone kept saying AJ's opinions were shit and so she clammed up on it. She wasn't a "fashionista" anyway so she wouldn't have been to speak going by the fandom.

Still AJ saw all the handwork when she got to know the contestants better and gave an opinion. It doesn't stop mattering because it was something you didn't want to hear.

>It's "Rarityfags blame AJ for bade episode" episode

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>>30226205
Can't imagine where you'd get the idea the writers keep reusing Applejack and Rarity butting heads over practicality and beauty for no raisin

>>30226653
Not like that, more like what anon wrote

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>>30224525
>>30224525
> honesty is a cornerstone of friendship
> multiple episodes over the years reinforcing that it's important to be open and honest with people, even if it means telling them things they don't want to hear
> "But you shouldn't be honest with people if you feel it might offend them!"
> Everyone wins the contest so no one feels bad
Was anybody else unsettled by the moral shift the recent episodes have taken. First we had the rainbowdash episode, "people can only become talented if they have constant praise heaped on them for every mediocre acheivement and treated as a precious snowflake at all times." And now we get this. I feel like, this is somehow. Like they're making her the main character now, so everyone else's characterization needs to suffer in order to build her up more. Even if its not directly related it's almost certainly a symptom of the same problem. Is this Donald Trump's fault?

>>30226637
>A lot of episodes would fall apart if that were the case.
Exactly the fact that this isn't the case, is what would allow this episode to get away with choosing a winner and a loser.
>What lesson was that?
You can give your opinion but take note of the feelings of the person that you criticize.
>Everyone kept saying AJ's opinions were shit and so she clammed up on it.
They didn't do that when she had to play the tie-breaker. If she didn't want to give her opinion, or the other ponies didn't want her to, she shouldn't have been standing there in the first place. She should have been honest about that, too.

I won't blame you for taking the ending like it is, but I find it severely flawed.

>>30226718
>I feel like, this is somehow. Like they're making her the main character now, so everyone else's characterization needs to suffer in order to build her up more.
Who, Starlight? If anything Apples' character had to suffur for Rarity's and the judges to put in the right.

>>30226752
>Exactly the fact that this isn't the case, is what would allow this episode to get away with choosing a winner and a loser.
Making a "loser" wouldn't prove or add anything to the guest characters here. The focus wasn't on the completion but AJ and her dealing with the fashion culture and ponies.

>You can give your opinion but take note of the feelings of the person that you criticize
And she did that with Rarity and her bad hat, be it less artfully. Also before by staying silent until Rarity pushed her for an answer.

>They didn't do that when she had to play the tie-breaker
So AJ's opinion was only good because the judges couldn't make up their own minds and come to a clear decision?

>If she didn't want to give her opinion, or the other ponies didn't want her to, she shouldn't have been standing there in the first place
AJ did give her opinion on the winners. It doesn't stop being valid because it wasn't something you didn't want to hear.

Also did you ever consider where these dresses would be promoted? Ponyvile. It would be wrong to not take in another viewpoint when selling to farmers and blue collared workers.

>>30226120
>fur/wool
Flutters has no problem with shearing sheep and/or goats.

>>30226878
>but AJ and her dealing with the fashion culture and ponies.
The focus is on the moral, which I have explained previously. By making her choose a winner in an acceptable manner, she proves that she learned the lesson. It's not about making a loser (two in fact), that's just an unfortunate thing that happens in contests.

>And she did that with Rarity and her bad hat
You mean the gag at the end? She wasn't critical there either, but that's not an issue since she had no reason to be critical in that instance. Either way I wouldn't count it as a valid confirmation of Applejack having learned her lesson, if that's what you seek in it.

>So AJ's opinion was only good because the judges couldn't make up their own minds and come to a clear decision?
I don't know why they kept her, she's clearly worse than illiterate on this subject. But as a tie-breaker, yes, and that is due to the crude one-vote-per-judge scoring system.

>AJ did give her opinion on the winners.
I feel like you're going to object to my desire for Applejack to be critical. I do believe that the "critical" is an important part of the moral. It's the reason Applejack had been set up as a judge in this episode in the first place. Anyway, Applejack's opinion came down to "they all did great". It's the lowest form of opinion there is and doesn't at all show Applejack has caught the nuance. She's now too kind and too dishonest.

>Also did you ever consider where these dresses would be promoted?
Let me ask you: was Applejack's opinion important here or not? If so, why are you satisfied with her evasive judgement?

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>>30226718
You're taking these morals too extremely, though I think that's because you have tunnel vision when it comes to Starlight.

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One last pollbump for here today.

IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO TODAY PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO RATE SEASON SEVEN EPISODE NINE "Honest Apple" IN THE ABOVE STRAWPOLL!!!

Again, it does not matter to me when you watched the episode, I would still like to see your rating in the poll. If you need a refresher you can find the episode below.

https://stream.sunnysubs.com/s07e09.mp4

Thank you to everyone who participated, and have a wonderful rest of your weekend.

>>30226427
>I don't believe that that was Applejack's honest answer.
Her honest answer was that she disliked them all equally, because they were all impractical to her. Ergo, they were all equal.

>>30226718
You are either astoundingly bad at interpreting the morals of a family show, or you're seeing what you already expected to s-- wait, no, this is a "pretending to be retarded" thing. Well played. But ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

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This episode gave me a lot of keks.

AJ going full Appul mode

photo finish was brilliant
KIISSS!!!
KIISSS!!!
KIISSS!!!

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what happened to her in this scene?

>>30227867
Invisible stallion.

>>30227867
gagged with a spoon

>>30227140
She's got work to do, and doesn't like being involved in fashion bullshit. She knew she was out of place, but Rarara told her it was fine. AJ just stopped giving a shit after that.

AJ abducted people to get what she wants when she goes full appul

rapist AJ when?

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How many weeks ago did this episode air on Canadavision?

>Rarijack episode
love these canon ships

>>30228055
Why would she do that? She gets that Mac dick whenever.

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>>30228093
>AJ
>inc-

wait...

a dick is a dick sounds like appul logic

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>>30228256
Everyone's got needs. They take care of distractions quickly so they can get back to work.

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>>30227867

Anyone got a Mega of the iTunes rip?

>>30228093
>>30228256
Applecest fans need to be eradicated in a final solution. Every last one of you fucker need to die.

>>30228561
http://mlp.derpynews.com/my-little-pony-709-honest-apple-episode-guide/

Applejack a shit

>>30228613
Cheers

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>>30228574
I don't actually like incest shit, but I'll still joke about it sometimes.

>>30228574
t. Applefag

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Hi /mlp/, Anon of /who/ from /tv/ here. Anyone have a link to the latest episode ? 7-09

>>30230007
Check here >>30228613

>>30230156
Thank you

>do a fashion show and have the practicality of the dresses (what?) be one of the factors
>don't tell the judge about any other factors to consider, just practicality
>don't tell any of the contestants that they'll be judged on practicality and instead have them do standard crazy fashion designs
>get pissed when it all blows up in your face
Rarity confirmed for being just as retarded, if not more so, than AJ.

>>30231774
So is every character a looney toon now?

>>30232370
apple a beauty

>>30227093
>the focus is on the moral
The focus was on the premise, which put AJ into a different situation. Like it or not MLP has moved away from the lesson format since the journal/key dynamic became a non-issue. The map episodes still provide the classical friendship lesson episode but the general shift is on character and slice of life.

>making losers proves she learned the lesson
Don't know where you get any of that from. AJ learned her lesson once she accepted the student's creativity regardless of her own view on the execution and allowed them to made fashion their way without her going overboard.

>she wasn't critical there either
She was, just didn't blunt out her remark this time.

>she had no reason to be critical in that instance
She did. The hat was terrible. Saying AJ couldn't say anything before Rarity took the hat out in public is amount to Rarity not saying anything to the mane 6 before their fashion show in ep.14 because the dresses were their creations.

>I don't know why they kept her, she's clearly worse than illiterate on this subject
No one barring Fluttershy is like Rarity, and there is, just not for the reasons Rarity gave: as others have said AJ was judging on practicality; no one other than Rarity was from Ponyvile, where the dresses would be marketed; consider the consumer base: a dress that drags is useless to a farm pony unless they go to the GGG--which we know tickets are hard to come by--, and something with too many buttons is just bad to the mostly earth pony town of Ponyvile; Aj is the best native to that culture. She would have better insight than Rarity to what the ponies there want.

>Applejack's opinion came down to "they all did great
When she got to know them better she saw all the hardwork they put into their craft. Since AJ can't judge if "the future" is more stylish than "super black", there wasn't much she could say, none of the students even took her advice-- even to a far lesser decree--at all.

>>30227093
Continued from >>30234189
>Let me ask you: was Applejack's opinion important here or not?
Yes: it was Ponyvile and practicality is still important.

Barring AJ's couple of extremes, AJ wasn't left with much room. Since every pony can't be a Rarity in fashion, if the judges or Rarity herself can't stomach the average pony saying something looks too much like a disco ball without being offended and fainting on ground then there isn't much room for any type of judging.

If you want to talk about being too soft, what about the judges' endless praise with no constrictive criticism throughout the entire process? It was their fault along with AJ's for there not being a winner.

>>30234189
Hey welcome back.
>The focus was on the premise, which put AJ into a different situation.
Strongly disagree. As MLP has always been, this episode was in your face with the moral, exemplified in her fight with Strawberry and her subsequent epiphany.

>Don't know where you get any of that from.
I explained it a few sentences later on. It's about the nuance, about being both critical and being polite in the way you deliver your criticism. Blame it on me if you want but I find it hardly believable that she can't make up her mind despite the strong feelings she expressed earlier.

>She was, just didn't blunt out her remark this time.
She did everything in her might not to say anything negative. Basically the entire joke ran on Applejack being crippled in her opinionatedness. She has no clue how to express a negative opinion anymore.

>Saying AJ couldn't say anything before Rarity took the hat out
I'm still not sure we are talking about the same scene since that hat in the end gag is an entire dress. But yes, basically Applejack now has Rarity's problem from Suited For Success.

>just not for the reasons Rarity gave
I understand your sentiment: Ponyville residents don't want stuff that's too artsy. But Applejack only seemed like a good choice before they found out that AJ judging fashion is like a dissecting a frog with a chainsaw. She's the last pony in Equestria (except maybe RD) to wear anything within the realm of fashion, the absolute lowest common denominator. So why not choose Pinkie or Flutters, or even Twilight, who's also content with simplistic outfits?

>there wasn't much she could say
What about practicality? The buttons, the feathers, the hair styles - it's all there still.

>If you want to talk about being too soft, what about the judges' endless praise with no constrictive criticism throughout the entire process?
At least they managed to pick a personal favourite but yeah, the contest was a big mess any way you look at it.

>>30235023
>So why not choose Pinkie or Flutters, or even Twilight, who's also content with simplistic outfits?
It's not just simplistic things. Look back to Suited For Success to see what they all value in clothing. Fluttershy has a passion for actual fashion, similar to Rarity's, but hers is a layperson's or hobbyist's view. She just wants things she's seen in magazines. Twilight gets caught up on unnecessary details and is biased toward technical correctness, which isn't what Rarity is after, either. Pinkie's too frivolous and would just pick what's "fun." Ultimately, AJ is the one who will not only focus on practicality first and foremost, but is guaranteed to be honest about it.

You could argue that that's exactly what she delivered, but it was another, unspoken factor that caused the misunderstanding. Rarity made the mistake of underestimating how AJ delivers that honesty, and AJ was unsympathetic in how she spoke her views. It went unspoken because Rarity, being a socialite, took politeness as common sense -- while the workaholic AJ wasn't used to caring about that sort of thing.

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>>30231774
>>30231795
Wake up

Bumping because its show-related

I guess they used AJ's praticity incorrectly.

>>30225673
no, but im sure some of the staff do sometimes

hold up, HOLD THE FUCK UP.
WHY WAS STRAWBERRY PONE A PEGASI

>>30235023
>hey welcome back
Sorry I live out in the boondocks with no wifi at my house.

>as MLP has always been (lesson format)
Not anymore and that's understandable. Not many cartoons last past the 60 plus episode mark anymore and realistically the writers can't maintain the season 1 format; there's only so many YT-7 life, format lessons you can go with the same characters. As you see there's been a lot of repeats in the past (ex:baby sitting eps, magicking out of a personal problem eps.). They've been going a different direction for a while now; first with moving away from the letters, then publicly putting out ahead of time the theme for a new season (this is family and legacy I believe), to finally giving new characters more time and making them teachers of friendship.

We're never going to have the early lesson formats again and solving a conflict doesn't make an episode a model behavioral guide.

>about being both critical and being polite
I think I see what you're getting at better now. I thought AJ did well in meeting that goal earlier on: (she said there were too many buttons and went about explain the problem in that). I agree she could have done this more with Rarity and the bad hat to show the lesson. But like I said by judging time AJ wasn't left with enough room to comment on anything as she might have felt by then that every remark of hers was too "extreme".

>the entire joke ran on Applejack being crippled in her opinionatedness
Fair enough.

> But yes, basically Applejack now has Rarity's problem from Suited For Success
Funny how that works out isn't it?

>So why not choose Pinkie or Flutters, or even Twilight?
Cause by Suited For Success we know they still suck at fashion. Look at how Rarity might have saw it: Rarity might have known about AJ's Manehatten history already; the two have traveled together to help put on a show with Coco; and dress be borrowed, Rarity herself saw that Applejack can pull off a look and modeling on her own.

>>30235023
Continued from>>30239111
>What about practicality? The buttons, the feathers, the hair styles
She already said that and was shut down. The students didn't even try a less modified version of AJ's suggestions latter on. If the contestants don't take any advice and change nothing after early judging, there really isn't much to say.

>but yeah, the contest was a big mess any way you look at it
Well it might have helped if there weren't an even number of judges.

In general though I agree with you that there are sizable problems with the episode. I just feel that it's less about the need to show a winner and more about the balancing going too much one direction and seemly no one walking near AJ's end.

>>30224827
Rarijack episodes have gotten shittier with each season. Last time it was about Applejack being OoC as fuck with the whole pig farming thing

>>30225677
>we need more Starlight Glimmer™ and Trixie™ on MLP
fixed

>>30225677
Fuck no. She's a worse version of Shimmer.

>>30239173
>making Trixie/Starlight the next Rarijack
NO.

>>30241560
shimglim is the new hot stuff

>>30241568
YES, though I call it Starset.

>Another Rarity episode wasted on Applejack

You'd think the writers of a children's show would try something other than the same shitty opposites/conflict of personality.

>>30241568
shimsham the glimglam

blimblam have a harem

>>30239173
Don't forget their hilariously quirky scientist friend Maud™

>>30243059
>Rarityfags blame a bad episode on Applejack AGAIN
Can we not do this please

>>30247341
>Rarity episodes are almost always top tier
>Applejack episodes almost always shit
hmmm I wonder who the weak link is here hmmmm

>>30248203
That's not true though, AJ has a way better episode chemistry with other characters. The only thing I can agree with you is that almost all Rarijack episodes are shit.