The 2017 Spring Babby 4CC Day Five

>>30129337
What happened to /gd/?

>>30129337
Absolute disaster.

SACKED IN THE MORNING

>>30129337
Well there's always...

Oh nevermind

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NotLikeThis
Well fuck me, it’s been a really shitty disastrous year to put it lightly. There is no lack of heart amongst the lads, yet the team have just not turned up on the games that mattered. I’ve been here for quite some time. I’ve seen the best we’ve ever been and now I’ve seen the worst. To tell the truth though the last two cups have left me pretty deflated. Given recent retirements I don’t feel it would be fair for me to quit completely and leave the few remaining guys with even more to do, which is why I’d still like to offer my help and guidance to anyone left and anyone new for the time being, and hopefully pass my experience on. This just hurts deep after being here seeing some of the best divegrass we’ve played, only to see the team I’ve loved for years just not deliver on the day.
Magic Blue might have said this already, but if you’re interested in joining then please feel free to contact him, or even me since we’re all in the same team. If you are not short of free time (especially at weekends) and are a positive person with enthusiasm and desire to see /mlp/ return to the better days, then we’d love to hear. Having someone to test with for my Friendship Tests team for however long I decide to remain would be welcome, as well as extra potential live managers for the main /mlp/ team.
This is definitely going to be a serious rebuilding year, which means we need a fresh injection of enthusiasm and desire to push forward and drag ourselves out of this hole. I’d love to see and feel the good times I remember return.
Regrettably I’ll be unable to answer anything immediate by the time I’ve posted this so MB will answer anything for now. I have to be up at 3:30am tomorrow, so in another five and a half hours for me. I’ve been completely shattered for the last two weeks given a series of random poor shifts on short notice and then the awful cup run. I should still be able to see any future threads though. Good night nevertheless.

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So what team are you guys rooting for now that we kill?

>>30129400
SACKED IN THE MORNING

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>>30129362
>>30129411

>>30129413
/b/

All on /b/

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>>30129400
I can't offer enthusiasm or free time, but I can offer not-shit tactics.

>>30129400
It's ok lad. You have your highs and lows.

One thing tho. Take Twilight and beat her every day in a dark hole in the ground for at least a week.

The amount of times we lost due to her choking was unacceptable.

>>30129400
Nowhere to go but up now, we get fucked when we get too cocky

>>30129413
i wont be watching, but /s4s/, /d/ and /vp/ like always.

>>30129400
It's a rough season. Things are fucked. But I still believe we will bounce back.
In the end, it's only a game. Sure it sucks right now, but there's no need to get worked up or kill yourself over it. Take those 6 months and use them to git gud.

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>>30129435
She must be Punished.

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>>30129413
For this cup, /co/.

For everything in general, /asp/ has been my top team for a while.
Also /v/.

>>30129422
Oh. So it's not really a thing. Man that'd have been even more embarrassing, being not only fetus'd but everyone else in the group making it to summer.

>>30129465
Princess punished Twilight blender when?

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>>30129435
She was literally the only one that scored this cup... Twice...

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>>30129400
Plase tell whoever the fuck managed today's match to read the rules. Like seriously, I get that live managing is hard and all that, but calling for timeout on preset switch is a new low, even for >our team.

>>30129465
Twilight to /trash/

>>30129400
WE SHALL REBUILD!

>>30129465
PUNISHED LATEX TWILIGHT NEXT CUP

>>30129486
and she also choked at least 5 times, all in vital moments.

Make her punished Twilight at least.

>>30129467
/asp/ provides the best memes

>>30129513
I'd be cool with punished Twi, but sacking outright is a bit uncalled for when she's the only that that succeeded, despite the chokes.
Just says there's chokes all around. One player doesn't carry the team.

Ignoring >Holy >Roman >Empire...

>>30129465
Let's replace her with Glimmer. I mean the show already has

>>30129536
The show replaced everthing with Glimmer though, so >we would need 22 of them.

>>30129550
Remove /pnk/
Add /glim/

>>30129532
I never said sacking her, just beating her :^)

Also, did you forget how >Rape literally saved our Summer 16 run at least 5 times?

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>m
>l
>p

>>30129550
do it

DO IT

>>30129569
your waifu a shit

>>30129569
>fucking up the spoiler this badly

>>30129569
YOU CAN'T EVEN FUCKING SPOILER PROPERLY

>>30129569
nice spoilers fag

>>30129569
>spoilering manually

>>30129569
>>30129400
so, when can we actually have an /mlp/ league and just let the generals give us a show for autumn? i hear /foe/ has a team

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>>30129591
>you

>>30129569
Please get a better waifu.
Also someone else.

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>>30129569
YOU SHOULD HAVE USED PONKA'S KIT

SHAME!

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>>30129622
This, dubs decides MagicBlue's new waifu

>>30129622
His new waifu is glimglam.

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>>30129634
We can still fix him

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>>30129634

>>30129569
Are you going to host a panel about the team's struggles?

>>30129634
>Rape

>>30129591

Damn, son... nothing's going right for you.

>>30129634
Rarity, obviously

>>30129603
Here we go.

GG to /sci/, they played well. We didn't, so much.

I've said much of this already but I'm terribly sorry about the way this cup has turned out, as well as this whole run since Winter. We're trying to make changes and learn from what we've done wrong this cup. There are things both publicly visible, like livemanaging, and behind the scenes, like testing and organization, that we need to improve.

A lot of that involves leadership. We have a bit of a vacuum right now with old managers leaving and new managers (me) trying to find their feet. The folks at the head of the team (me and Emulpee and Darkbow) were not as well organized or as well coordinated as team has, I believe, been in the past, and we're going to try and change that going forward. We're going to put our heads together and figure things out.

I can't promise anything but trying to improve and trying to fix what went wrong. >>30129487
was an embarrassing error by a newbie and I have no explanation other than... being a newbie. I know that's not an excuse but it is what it is. That's an area I need to improve.

We have disappointed you pretty badly, and we'll try to figure out what went wrong and fix it from here.

me in charge of spoilers

>>30129634
Glimmer

>>30129642
Don't you dare shame my waifu by association

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>>30129634
she plays sports and is blue to.

>>30129634
Nyx

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>>30129634
Lime
For he never scores

>>30129651
Did you mention that you might be looking for more testers soon somewhere?

>>30129666
SATAN CONFIRMS

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>>30129569
>There are things both publicly visible, like livemanaging, and behind the scenes, like testing and organization, that we need to improve.
Understatement of the year. You wanted to become a hero for the team, but the only thing you can do now is to become an hero.

>>30129665
>>30129666
Fucking keked

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>>30129666

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>>30129666
Fucking, based, satan.
And thats from a limey lover.

You know what? This fetus is starting to shape up to be something pretty special.

/mlp/, /a/, /b/, /pol/, who else might end up there?

>>30129651
I believe in you. Once you get experience you shall lead us to victory!

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>>30129666
Thank you, satan

>>30129673
I have mentioned this before and will mention this again, definitely.
If you want to help the team testing, please reach out (magicbluehorse on Skype).

>>30129686
/k/

>>30129677
>boast shit
>Gets shit on
Truely true to his waifu's name.

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>>30129685
We are few but great

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>>30129634

>>30129695
how do i test?

>>30129695
Rev up those Limestone pics

>>30129695
>>30129666
You got a new waifu
new waifu, new life

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>>30129666
Are not dubs, so let's keep rolling

/tg/ matches have the worst commentary

I'm still surprised at how bad the AI was playing, it was like a movie trope of bad playing. Was it really rigged, or did pes17 really shit on /mlp/?

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>>30129666
Yes.
Screw magicblue, magiclime is where its at. Filled with salt and rage.
>>30129701
I hope Pencils manage to find the strength to finish his comic.

>>30129721
>he doesn't know trips overrite dubs
How is your first week going?

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Memes aside, I would suggest getting carma on the testing team if he's wanting to
Dude knows what he's doing, only problem is that he's also a Trixiefag

>>30129736
>testing

>>30129721
Fuck off newfag. Lime is where it's at.

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>>30129733
>33

>>30129736
>testing team
Fuck off I'm not doing any testing.

>>30129733
Dubs confirm trips

Lime is perfect

Literraly the salty pony

>>30129746
What the hell do you want then

>>30129751
This.
Magic should switch for superior waifu. Or at least we DEFINITIVELY need a limefag to help for autumn.

>>30129751
We still have salt left from those 2 stars, we will now produce our own salt and fuel ourselves to the top, photosalthesis

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>>30129699
But he has new waifu now

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>>30129651

>>30129746
Let me guess, you're an idea guy.

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>>30129561
How can one forget multiple 90+4's. Even harder to forget when Cena did even better than that with a 90+7 to save his team in a much better fashion.

I just typed a long explanation of what I meant, then realised after reading through it I probably don't actually have any idea what im talking about, so rather than try to sound smart, I'll just say it wasn't all technically him by himself. Player coordination and whatnot getting that ball to him for those +4's, it was all him dancing around the defense by himself.

What little of that there was this cup, kind of weird the chokes were highlighted especially to Twilight, despite her two goals.

>>30129776

We kinda need idea guys right now desu.

>>30129569
>Deleted
What did MagicBlue mean by this?

>>30129781
>it WASN'T all him dancing around the defense by himself
Fuck I need to go back to sleep.

>>30129787
probably because he fucked up the spoiler

>>30129776
He's a successful guy

>>30129787

Really tickles my dendrites.

Reminder for those who want to see us dead and gone forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtuqUX934U

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>>30129787
Really actvates my almonds desu

how do i become part of the /mlp/ team?

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>>30129605
>/mlp/ league
>general teams

>>30129809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFT3AhxwCzU

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Seriously we zero pointed...

>>30129569
if the old managers left you in a vacuum, it's not really your fault

>>30129833
From stars to spoons. Miracles into mistakes.

>>30129809
Just remember to good days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWiMdRlHmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6K9iaBbdAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDjCmCOadJM

>>30129846

I'm still partial to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-P8g4CAnKs

>>30129846
>Winter 2017
>good days

>>30129854
i was trying to find that one, thanks

>>30129831
I don't remember that part with Trump ever happening.

>>30129846
one of those is actually worth watching. The others suck

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Reminder that salty pony that cannot score shall be our mascot until we return to the elites

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>>30129840
Well time for scarficide, we had a long sweet run anyway.

>>30129862
The /m/ game is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SYMP__5btU

>>30129666

>salt and lemon CM

Fucking perfect

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>>30129666

>>30129695
Do I need to be competent to test?

>>30129902
This is actually an important question and I am also curious as to what the bare minimum qualifications are.

>>30129902
You sure don't need to be to manage.

>>30129902
Do I look competent to you?

More seriously, you need two things:
time and willingness to learn. Please reach out,
we'd love to have you.

i just realized a few this about the stadium
>nobody showed up
>Frogs hanging from trees
wow

So at the risk of probably a little too into Deviantart territory, I feel a little compelled to ask... Is there anyway we can redesign Best Pony?

Like, I get the Mare Do Well thing, keep it vague on who Best Pony truly is (even if who you think it is is also a player), and I love the idea, it's one of the things I don't want to change ever. Perfect team Captain and such.

But what I mean is Mare Do Well in that episode was kind of seen as a super hero of sorts, right? Or a hero in general at least, but the design and such implies something super.
Super Heroes frequently go through design changes over time, most of which don't change the characters at all. Or sometimes the person under the mask changes entirely and they have a new design for the hero identity to reflect that (example: Batman - Bruce Wayne and Batman Beyond - Terry McGinnis).
Several Anon's, not all, have seen Best Pony choking a little, wanted her sacked or demoted, general angry bullshittery when they see the slightest form of failure. I personally don't want her demoted or sacked, but the illusion of change kind of tickles me when the super hero logic is applied.

There's no official alternate design for her... but is there any chance we can come up with some sort of redesign for Best Pony that is still reflective of what she is?

>>30129915
>>30129916
lel

>>30129902

To test, you need to be able to follow instructions. You set the requested tactics then run the match. Record the requested results. Maybe there's more, but that's basically what a test is.

>>30129916
How does it feel to have forever attained >the flush title of managers?

>>30129666
>>30129866
She really should desu, all those sixes.

talking of testing, I really think we should turn >testing into a player. It's pretty much a board meme when it come to the cup by now

>>30129944

We don't need any meta-meme players.

>>30129944
Make >precisely calibrated into a player.

>>30129924
The point of Best Pony is that it can be anyone (except for Topcunt or Rarara), the super hero part is irrelevant

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>>30129944

>>30129944
>>30129955

DubDubs tell me yes, but they also tell me no.
What do, anons

>>30129967

Blast it with piss.

>>30129967
No, teams are supposed to represent board culture, this is entering 4CC territory which kinda of misses the point, it would be like if /co/ had a player named ">/co/"

>>30129924
Best Pony Beyond.

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>>30129916
Can you please switch waifu at least until the next cup? Lime is perfect to represent us right now.

>>30129957
>tfw your comments get memed onto the team
Can't even be mad if that happens desu

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/b/ /mlp/ /ck/ /a/ /c/

this fetus is going to be huge

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>>30129977

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>>30129400
>The customers of /mlp/

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>>30129924

>>30129991
Kill yourself, you autistic embodiment of embarrassment.

>>30129999
kek

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>>30129999
NICE QUADS

>>30129990
Tracy could be replaced by limestone desu, their designs are very close and so is their personality.

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I am going to seriously laugh if /u/ get destroyed by /co/ so hard they end up getting cucked by /r9k/

Thought: Would anyone be interested in a brief live chat where we talk about the team, its future, and how it's going to go from here? We don't wanna leave you in the dark.

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>>30129999

>>30130015
I would rather just have Limestone as our mascot, i grew fond of our OCs

>>30130017
I can't right now but will keep your skype and message you

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>>30129991
>>30129999

Instructions in pic related

>>30129998
IT WAS ME BEST PONY

I WAS OFF BY ONE

>>30130015
Nah, keep tracy.
Make limestone the spiritual coach

>>30129992
w/ /pol/, it makes it YUGE

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>>30130015

I know it's coming, there's gonna be violence
I've taken as much as I'm willing to take
Why do you think we should suffer in silence
The heart is broken, there's nothing to break

>>30129916
>willingness to learn
shit

>>30130017
I doubt there is anything that can't be said right now, you can do this later

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>>30129960
Missing my point. It doesn't change the idea that it can be anyone. Just gives a fresh look to it.
Similar logic to any hero that wears a mask. Anyone can think anyone is under there, they can even think it's one person, even if that hero identity has been living way longer than anyone probably could.

In this sense, Best Pony can still be whoever you want it to be, but... Fuck, Rarity thought the look was outdated or some shit and they need a better look to reflect why they're still the Best.

>>30130042
I can't afford a scarf to hang myself,
I barley get by supporting myself and my mother in our small house where we don't bother anyone. I'll do it when I have the money though.

>>30130059
To be honest i don't see this being necessary, its not like the original look has anything really bad about it

>>30130070

Same. I think the mare do well look is clever and I've never heard people bring up an alternative even half as fitting.

If /r9k/ doesn't score 2 more goals we're still the wooden spoon currently btw.
>>30130017
I doubt you'll get many serious answers right now Everyone is really hot on the results + some baiters. You should just wait a bit. But get any applicant you can.
also become magiclime.

>>30130088

But how can mudpone into magic?

WHAT THE FUCK

OWN GOAL
W
N

G
O
A
L

>/ck/

>>30130088
Well well well

>>30130099
Salt magic, thats how.
>>30130105
We're still wooden spoon unless r9k scores another one.

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>>30129651
Pretty words, show me some action. Right now you're even more shit than the rest. GitGud or get out.

>>30130017
How about a panel?

>>30130120

Sir, you are aware this is for >fun, right?

>>30130127
>sitting out 6 months in the lowest division is fun

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>>30130119
>want /mlp/ to spoon
>want /r9k to live

>>30130127
It's fun if you're AB/mlp/

So if any of the other 0 points team fuck up hard we can still avoid the spoon right? Or are we fucked

>>30130176
we fucked

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A tester who doesn't know what he's doing is useless. Manpower has never really been the issue for /mlp/. I think the current problem is a lack of experience from the new guys and a lack of leadership from the old guys.

I feel like I figured out the meta in a matter of weeks during the friendship tests, and it really doesn't seem that different from before. Then /mlp/ somehow got stuck with a questionable formation and people ran weird tactics with it, resulting in zero pointing a Babby Cup in a group with a double wooden spoon team and two fetus teams, one of which hasn't won a game since 2015.

I guess once you hit rock bottom, you can't go anywhere but up.

Figuring out what went wrong and how it can be fixed should be the top priority for everyone.

>>30130176
/a/ /c/ /k/ can choke hard, but I wouldn't count on it

>>30130220
Ok, I guess I won't apply then

>>30130216
>>30130176

fixed, its should be 3-0

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>>30130220
>I figured out the game but they didn't listen
Wew lad.

Also can we stop with the >muh spooners /n/ already?

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>>30130220
>crushed my dreams of helping /mlp/
ok...

>>30130242
>>30130220
Yeah desu /n/ have two of the greatest minds in the 4CC behind them.

C'mon /co/! 5-0

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>>30130070
Nobody ever thinks it's necessary or thought hero designs were bad, but they do them anyway for loads of reasons. Illusions of change, potential to look better, the one wearing it was sick of it and wanted something that let them turn their head or some shit instead.

But fine, was just a thought.
Not like I expected any decent design idea to pop up anyway, at least without spurgs.

>>30130220
>>30130234
>>30130247

I don't think it's as simple as this.

We need talented manpower. But no one can know a priori whether they have talent with PES until they start digging in. Even if we don't *need* people, having them involved can result in discovering talent.

>>30129695
>>30129902
>>30129916
>>30130220
>>30130283
Getting really mixed messages here...

>>30130275
Might as well, /co/ was our birthplace.

>>30130283
this maybe in a one of the new guys can be the hero we need but really really dont deserve.

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>this match

>>30130319
4-0 /co/, obviously

>>30130324
5-1, so we can get a playoff

>>30130319
>shitty no hooves moeblob circlejerk
>not supporting big bro

>>30130326
I'd rather /u/ just went out

>>30130283
>>30130316
Too late. They scared off a potential star winner. Enjoy permafetus

>>30130301

This is why I think we need a real discussion, not just sniping shitposts and false flags.

>>30130351
you are under the assumption that everybody here knows how to manage a team

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That massive muscular head of Brock Samson on such a tiny body makes me laugh.
Just like the look of Senator Armstrong on /v/.

>trying to figure out what I would need to do to be a tester
>download game is step one
>go download a torrent program
>go to pastebin link
>can't figure this shit out

Holy shit, I really am incompetent...

Seriously, what do I do with https://pastebin.com/6TvVxzFS

>>30130351
I don't know if we'll have any real good discussion till after the cup. I'm pretty sure there's too much emotion floating around right now for anything of substance to be done.

>>30130363

I am under the assumption that good ideas can come from anyone and anywhere, and that we'd be stupid not to at least listen.

>>30130369
>>30129695
Hit up this immense faggot on Skype.

fuck weebs

>>30130383

We won't. That's why I floated only scheduling something now, so we can have a definite time and place for this.

>>30130369
copy the paragraph starting "magnet:?", paste into your torrent program in "add torrent link" or something

>>30130401
this

>>30130319
>>30130401
As much as I hate weebs, I'd rather not let /r9k/ go back to elite
So I'm gonna vouch for /u/, only to kill /r9k/

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>>30130242

It's not like they didn't listen, I figured my help wasn't necessary since they didn't need /myteam/ in the gauntlet, and I didn't remotely put as much time in as the managers did.

>>30130301

All I'm saying is I think a lack of experience is a big problem in the current team, and getting in another inexperienced tester isn't going to be helpful at all. But it really depends on the mentality of a person. Don't let me stop you from getting more testers/managers. Just get rid of this idea that you're going to be super useful by just running the game a bunch of times for the managers. You need to have a drive to figure things out, to want to understand the game and win based off knowledge. I've never really been proud of doing an insane number of random tests. You can't brute force PES. It's like trying to solve a math problem by punching in random numbers. The chance of getting it right is astronomically small. You need to figure out what your opponent is going to use, and then you got to figure out what you're going to use against that. It's that simple. If you can't figure out what your opponent is going to do, you're just firing shots in the dark. I always figured I was good at doing that. At times I felt like I was a better manager for the opposing team than I was for /mlp/.

When you are good at predicting what likely tactics your opponent is going to use against you, when you are good at countering those tactics, and when you are good at making your own team unpredictable by not playing the same style over and over again, then the only way you are going to lose is if the other team is even better at it than you are or if you get PES'd.

There's a reason certain teams are always near the top while others are always near the bottom.

EXTRA THICC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd1K55FYCAw

EXTRA THICC

>>30130486
>>30130490
FEW MORE HOURS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6deOAReoM

What will happen when Doom and Doomguy eventually meet in the elites?

>>30130553
They'll make their own team and win the cup

>master race /co/
This is a strange timeline

>>30130410
The Anons from here that care will notice a 4cc thread if it pops up here in a few weeks unannounced. No need to schedule something in my opinion.

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/co/ 9 point.

What a time to be alive.

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>/co/ master race

Can I manage?

>>30130481
So I play PES outside of the cup (i know, >actually playing PES), and while I know the difference between AI and player controlled teams are huge, there's still some strategies and tictac combos that make sense to play with.

It seems that the current management didn't understand that at all. Testing against what opponents do and prepping counter-strats is fine and all, but this is down to what looks like lack of understanding of how the more advanced aspects of the game actually works by the management.

>>30130606
Want to be one of our tester/manager for our team?

>>30130606

YES, that's exactly the kind of knowledge I think we are missing. The intricacies of what the AI does in certain situations which can only be figured out by tinkering and intuition.

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>>30130045
That isn't Zoom, it's Negaduck.

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>4 seasons of this suffering

>>30130660
Unless MB goes full shonen protag

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who are you rooting for tomorrow /mlp/?

>>30130690
/y/

>>30130690
/k/. though most of the teams are shit tommorow, so its more by default than anything

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>that feel when the cup is over for the day and you don't know what to do with your life

>>30130690
Legbutt.

Also /w/ to absolutely blow /a/ right the fuck out, I think an /a/ wooden spoon would be fucking hilarious.
No relation to saving mulp from it or anything, I couldn't even care. Just the concept of /a/ getting it in any circumstance makes me giggle.

>>30130621

I definitely couldn't manage because I'm a weird Euro timezone and would 100% have to miss matches, but I'd be willing to test if it actually does anything other than being a meme.

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I made this gift for you :^)

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>>30130720
>cup suffering ends
>real suffering begins

>>30130690
/o/

Horsepower bros

>>30130745
/pol/ is too busy being cucked by reddit to impregnate us

>>30130737
It's a meme if you were to try and create a preset for every team in the cup. It is not a meme if you figure out tictacs that just generally are SeemsGood

>>30129651
Lad, can we do that town hall idea that >muhpanel suggested. Of course there may be some blaming, requests for sacking, etc... but I think it would be good communication between the board and the managers.

>tfw considering testing because already decent at excel and stats

>>30130982
>town hall
Why do we even have the thread, then? Everyone can communicate here just fine, if they want to.

>>30131227
People can do both desu

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>>30130652
Whichever it is, that suddenly gives me a thought that we should have 'Worst Pony' added to the team, opposite colours of Best Pony. Then we can blame everything on her!

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Man, I went and took my dog for a walk afterwards, get my morning started with fresh air and whatnot. Took a route that goes over some local ovals, and it's the weekend, so there was a bunch of people there with some games of actual divegrass happening.
Couldn't help but be disgusted at how the keeper didn't have a giant hand for a head, the strikers weren't wearing capes, one of the defenders wasn't a car, and the referee wasn't a FAT SUMMABITCH! And they were kicking around a BALL instead of a severed weeb head or a grenade or something!
Worst of all is that in the entire minute it took me to cross the place, there wasn't a single murder that resulted in a yellow card!

Real Divegrass is boring as fuck!
Garbage game/10

>>30130119
>Salt magic
>Limestone
Never knew we needed a limefag on charge so badly, its...perfect

Who is going to get the wooden spoon tomorrow?

>>30131461
agreed

t.Brazilian

>>30131789
Don't worry /wdb/, you'll get your star next friendship cup.

>>30131788
>us

>>30131802
I hope not.

PRESS F TO FIRE THE INCOMPETENT MANAGERS

>>30131921
I assume you are stepping in to be the manager, now?

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>debut with a relegation straight to fetus
I am, in fact, ready to die

>>30131461
>one of the defenders wasn't a car
Thank goodness for the other one, or it would've been a total waste of time.

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>>30131227

Other forms of communication have different failure modes from those of anonymous image boards.

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Hi, sorry for saying I hate your board on-air, that was unprofessional, I drew a terrible horse ass in apology

I really really despise your board though like more than anything, but still, really bad form on-air. Anyway see you in the fall. Don't bully MB he's a top lad

>>30132220
No hard feelings, you're not the first nor the last one to say it and 2bh I think everyone was too busy killing themselves to even notice.
That's a pretty good peachy butt, though.

>>30132220

>Don't bully

It's not as if anyone doing any of the bullying would listen to you anyway.

>I drew a terrible horse ass in apology

C O L T P U S S I

>>30132220
>coming all the way here to defend /yourboy/
I've seen the memes.

>>30132220
Well at least you did the commentary unlike Sou, who couldn't bare to see /mlp/ streamed.

Nobody likes us and we're used to it. Kinda sucks but cmon what do we do that is likable anyway.

>>30131921
>m-muh bad streaks should lead to firings of the management
If you were the NY Giants, you would have traded away 2 superbowls when you fired Coughlin due to his streaky losses before hand

>>30132447
Good. Fuck the Giants

>>30132220
Our board is awful

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>>30132220
And her name shall be peach bottom, QD's own pony OC. Now we just need to decide on her colours ^:)

Its fine though, most of us are used to others saying we re the villain and stuff, wasnt nearly as bad as the time when Bors didnt even congratulate the second cup win. Honestly took it as banter since >opinions
And in the end of the day, no matter where we are, we re still Number 1 (besides /fit/, dem elite nipple stars)

>>30132220
Nice of you to apologize, but I doubt anyone was offended. I just assume that everyone hates /mlp/ unless they specifically state otherwise.

>>30132717
Also this. It's nothing but fetishes and fanfiction. I like watching the team play but I barely come to the board anymore.

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Okay. Had some time to chill and a couple beers, and able to hold forth a bit on my personal assessment of >what >went >wrong.

>The formation
Everyone hated it, including every commentator, every /4ccg/ anon (FIVE OH FUCKING FIVE), and the former managers. It won our gauntlet, though, which involves a lot of tests and is the best method we've had so far to pick a formation. We're not going to look at our results and say "nah, let's NOT pick the one with the best record." What that means is we need a better gauntlet going forward. One thing we tried this time was giving teams the opportunity to make changes halfway through the gauntlet, in order to try and find a formation that might be flexible as well as strong, so it's possible that we were testing which manager was able to make the best adjustments rather than which formation was the best base. Figuring out a more reliable test system isn't easy, but we do have time to figure it out and this is a pretty major priority.

>The /his/ game
We had good results in testing against several /his/ formations. We didn't end up testing against the exact formation they ended up starting on, but we did identify it as an anti-longball tactic in chat and our non-longball tactic did indeed end up being the best counter (you can see this when the team improves dramatically after the last tactical change leading to the Twilight goal). The lesson here is that I need to think more clearly in the livemanaging hotseat which comes with time, because we did have the right tactic prepared, I just didn't have the presence of mind to switch to it quickly. MAYBE more tests being run would help too, on the chance we could hit their exact formation. (But as BGP has said there are too many variables to do this reliably, and you have to judge what the team will probably run and test vs that.)

cont.

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>>30133062

>The /n/ game
Communication problems hurt this game. Different managers were involved with testing, making the export, and livemanaging, which meant that no one manager was completely versed in everything. This meant several conflicting opinions about the game and none of them ended up being properly implemented, which is why our changes probably seemed strange that game. The fact that /mlp/ management has no one single person in charge hurt us here and it's something we're going to change going forward, although we're not completely sure of the details yet. But ensuring that one manager is the absolute "buck stops here" person is important going forward.

>The /sci/ game
I'm gonna take some flak for this but I don't think we fucked up too bad here. We had good test results against almost exactly what /sci/ ran and were confident in them. The team played well, especially in the second half, and I think the changes I made were reasonable.I think this might have been one of the games you just have to take the L, but if we'd done better in the other games it wouldn't have killed us. You need room for error in PES and we gave ourselves none.

>>30132220
You don't need to apologize. We know you don't really mean it. You just want our views for the ad revenue.

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>>30133066
I don't think the /sci/ game went that bad. Stephen Hawking played out of his mind, some of those save he polled of were ridiculous. Good to see you haven't given up and I think you have the perfect attitude moving forward. I hope to see you and the rest of the team can do with more experience

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>>30133066
If you see why we conceded a goal you will see it was the fault of defenders fucking it up, loosing the ball instead of passing it. Find out who did it and give them a strict talk. Twilight is a good pony. She took all the chances she had. Still better than not taking a shoot at all.

>>30133383
I blame glim glam

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>>30132220
That's very kind of you. Cheers

>>30133062
The way I see it, the problem with the testing gauntlet is that it's useless info if all the tested tactics are shit. You need external tactics to compare too as well. Next time a gauntlet happen, also add in the top tactics of current PES, say the top 2 of Winter or the Winter and Spring winner. If what you guys come up with can't deal with them, then what you have should be scrapped or revised heavily.

>>30133062
>Figuring out a more reliable test system isn't easy, but we do have time to figure it out and this is a pretty major priority.
Time is about the only thing you have here. But hey, by the time /mlp/ plays next it will be a new PES. Nice longcom ^:)

>>30132447
>avoiding the point
Couldnt expect more from a fair weather fan

>>30134047 meant for >>30131921

Look i do not care if we lose just as long as its a hard fought loss, just get us back to been competitive at least pls.

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>>30133797
The gauntlet was designed to serve to purposes: provide some objective measure of the effectiveness of an export and to circumvent the fighting and shitflinging over what type of export to use, which had been /clop/'s previous decision-making process that was no good for anyone.

When building exports, the managers test against top external teams, so that they have some basis for assessing their tactics. Just testing against each other the whole time would be pointless, I agree. External teams aren't part of the gauntlet itself because /mlp/ wants to run its own tactics, not copy somebody else's. In the scenario you outline, where you throw /sp/ in the gauntlet and /sp/ wins, there really wouldn't be adequate time at that stage to go back to the drawing board and nobody would want to just copy /sp/. At best, you could cobble together a hard counter to /sp/, but that wouldn't necessarily be a better export.

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>>30133797 cont.
>it's useless info if all the tested tactics are shit

This is true, the gauntlet product is only as good as the ingredients you put into it. The conceit was that each of the /mlp/ managers is knowledgeable enough to build a decent export, so this wouldn't happen. The gauntlet is meant to find the best export, not the only good export. However, one problem this season may have been the commitment to tactical diversity. Because you run into a variety of formations in the cup, you want your export to be reliable against a wide array of strategies. So, /clop/ designated different formation types (4-4-2, 4-2-4, 3-4-3, 5-3-2, etc.) and each manager picked one and built an export around that. Now, one vulnerability to doing the gauntlet that way is that even a shoddy 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 should be able, on average, to beat something lopsided like a 3-3-4 or 5-4-1, so you may come out the other side without adequately stress testing the winning export. For that reason, I've recommended that FT5 drop the forced diversity setup and run only tried and true formations and explore diversity within those frameworks, rather than commit space to formation types that will never win. A differently arranged 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 with proper testing behind it in the gauntlet could well have exposed the /sdb/ setup before /his/, /n/, and /sci/ did.

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At least we have a new part-time mascot

Salty pony

>>30133797

There's no point in having for instance a /fit/ copy in the tests, because when a manager makes a formation, they should test that formation against the top teams of the previous cup in order to make sure that what they are making is at least competitive.

Say you put a blatant /fit/ copy in the friendship tests and it ends up winning. Then what? You go to the cup with a blatant /fit/ copy? That's kind of lame.

>>30134718
Sure would have been terrible to copy /fit/ , lucky we went with L A A N G B A A L. When all we needed to do was get out of the fucking Babbies.

>>30133062
>>30133066

Well thought out.

I think that "buck stops here" is best leading up to a match. Whoever is appointed as the live manager for a match works together with other managers and testers to put together an export with the best possible chances and tools of winning. However, once match day comes around, there needs to be a clear chain of command.

Based on this, I withdraw my call for an external public meeting, though you're still free to hold one anyway.

Also, I think the suggestion that you temporarily change your name to MagicLime during next fetus/megababby is hilarious.

>>30134638
>>30134664

It wasn't conceit that you assumed that every manager had a working tactical theory: it felt true during PES15 and PES16. All y'all had legit ideas for running the whole team, and testing was the best way to find out what worked and what didn't, rather than just having hot opinions.

It's still true that testing will do that, but with all the retirements, the problem now is that this assumption is no longer quite valid. So the needs of the team are to develop a better tactical feel for the way the game works. If that means scaling back testing a bit, so be it.

Testing is a tool, and a powerful one. But any great tool can be misused.

I kind of want /mlp/ to spoon now, just so we can actually see some goals and get a fun match before fetusdom

>>30134743

In my book, the only thing more terrible than getting fetus'd is by blatantly copying the previous cup winner's formation.

>>30134748

Can we use the /pnk/ anthem as the /trash/ match goalhorn if we >earn the right to play in that? I think people need to be reminded what the Cup is all about:

>fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0qk2LLohc

>>30134763
This anon is right.

>>30134779
No, because 4-2-4 is meta and /pnk/ would've gotten us to RO16, it's not meant for /trash/ ^:)

>>30134763
>>30134828

If the previous cup winner's tactics beat all our new ones, something has gone wrong.

>>30134763
>the only thing more terrible than getting fetus'd

>>30134836
Agreed, but that's why they test and beat the previous cup winner prior to entering the gauntlet. If an export struggles against several top cup teams, it shouldn't end up in the gauntlet in the first place.

>>30134664
>forced diversity setup
Yeah, I think this might be one factor. /mlp/ has often been memed at for running common formations, but then so has every other team doing it, and half the teams run four-four-fucking-two because it fucking works decently well. There'll always be some current meta formations like JB's 3-6-1 or whatever he ran that work well if you know what you're doing, but the good ones tend to start from reasonable bases.

Also, was there actually no Winter '17 /mlp/ export in the gauntlet? I remember there being something about /eqg/ usually running that but not doing so this time. If that's the case I'd say that's a major oversight and shouldn't be done again, because I think that the export was fairly decent in Winter and might actually have worked better in this Cup than what was finally chosen. And I don't think using a former export and tweaking it if it does well would be against the idea of producing your own exports.

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>>30134964
Correct, the Winter 17 /mlp/ export was not entered into the gauntlet and /eqg/ ran an alternative setup, which was a break from tradition. One of the reasons for doing the gauntlet is to make sure that the new export is better than the old one, which you can't do if you omit the old export or fail to give it the same managerial attention as every other export. I've shared my thoughts about this with the managers. It's something I've hammered about every season.

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What did he mean by this?

>>30134670
Salt Queen player when?

>>30135060
"He" meant to fix gratuitous phone posting auto correct errors, then accidentally made it green, then fixed it.

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>>30134881
I can say that this has been done for /wdb/ at least. The team was tested against /fit/, /mu/, /mlp/, /sp/ and others. Most of those tactics were then used as a base for the gauntlet matches as well.

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http://archive.klaxa.eu/Spring_2017/Matchday_3/
http://archive.klaxa.eu/Spring_2017/Matchday_4/
http://archive.klaxa.eu/Spring_2017/Matchday_5/

Thanks to f4r for days 4 and 5.

>>30135076

>phoneposting
>says someone who is phoneposting from the shitter at >muh job

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>>30130481
No testing, no managing, no (or very little) tactics crafting. Someone "in charge" overseeing that things are going in the right direction I hate it but something similar to a Scrum Master. Would you be willing to do that? Of all the former staff you seem to be the most fitting for such a position. At least if you're not talking out of your ass, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Historically you did well enough.

I feel this is something the staff needs. Also you have the right amount of asshole in you for a position like that.

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>>30135688
Backgroundpony isn't the task master type and never has been.

Managers should be involved in testing and tactics, otherwise the head is disconnected from the body and will make stupid decisions. /mlp/ doesn't need an Update Guy.

>>30135757
BGP's officially doing nothing and is still connected, I obviously don't know what Ugoy has been doing (probably nothing or nodding everything off) but I don't think the whole concept is bad because of this one example. I think someone experienced guiding people could be more efficient than new guys or tactics guys (which I assume Emulpee is mostly) trying to figure out some new approach and just praying that it works the next time. Consider PMB's inputs in such a position maybe to have a second opinion or whatever.

Also I don't think he needs to be listed as a manager for that, or listed at all.

>>30132220
>Wow, apologies from Boris, Marquad, and now QD.
It's almost like shitting on the board and cup fans on-stream is acceptable and done regularly to be popular.
Go fuck yourself QD

>>30135851
He's originally from /v/, in fact I'd be more insulted if he didn't hate us

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>>30135688

What >>30135757 said. I don't think that's what the team needs at all, and I'd be terrible at it anyway. We need to figure out what made /mlp/ great before and how we can bring that back.

>>30135953
>Obviously, the answer is L A A N G B A L L

>>30135988
We only ran laangbaal in the first game. We ran gegenpress in all three games.

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>>30135998
>We ran gegenpress in all three games.

>>30135851
I think shitting on boards or teams on air is fine. It's always been part of the cup and (usually) is done in a fraternal spirit.

Specifically targeting people, whether managers or cup fans, on air is what's unprofessional and unacceptable. That's just being a vindictive prick and turning the cup into a pissing match between factions.

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>>30135998
>>30136010
It's the future of football!

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>>30136035
>It's the fetus of football
ftfy

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>>30136040

>>30136010
Gegenpress is good for chasing a match if you're down and needing a goal or two, but I wouldn't start with it since you'll be fucking wasted by the end

t. Top 8 finisher 3 Elite cups in a row

>>30136053
But Smuglel, in all 3 matches >we started with Gegenpress, then switched it off at 50 minutes. Go watch klaxxa.

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>>30135851
>>30135859
Yeah this isn't some Bors "I might not be able to stream anymore" or Marqod "I think this guy is talking shit so I need to unleash my autism" thing, it's not to be ''''popular'''', and it's not ^xD two stars recent cup-centric stuff either. I absolutely despise your board and have despised it since its inception. I wanted it to be /fur2/ in 2012 and I want it removed more than even /pol/ now.

But it's really shitty for the streamer to express and feel that kind of thing on-air, especially directly after something like what happened this cup and after that match, and I am honestly genuinely sorry for that. I only hate 'you' as a board, not individually (unless you're a cunt), and it's not fair or cool to people to reveal power level live like I did briefly. These are long-seated and deep-rooted feelings that aren't cup-centric and I'd really rather be honest with you and apologize and try not to let it happen again than to just leave it sitting there, take it or leave it.

>>30136064
Yeah, it should have been the other way around desu
I mean, it's okay to start on it, but if you don't go ahead with it you're in trouble
Keeping gegen on while your players are already tired is worse, so it was reasonable to take it off, but they wouldn't have been as tired if they weren't starting on gegen

>>30136053
Gegenpress makes your players run and chase whoever has possession of the ball and press as hard as possible. It's like watching 7 year-olds play football. If your opponent is playing something like possession, low support range, and a narrow formation, then I can see gegenpress being good at breaking them up and disrupting their play. That's a very limited application. If the opponent is playing quick counter, high support range long passes (see /n/), then it's suicide.

>>30136053
Stamina is a meme

t. fetus shitter

>>30135953
>We need to figure out what made /mlp/ great before
Better communication and organization ^:)

>>30136085
This, but unironically.

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>>30136068
It's okay, some people just have shit taste. >We undersand.

Fuck Marqod though.

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>>30136075
>Yeah, it should have been the other way around desu
Don't tell this to me, tell it to MagicLime.

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>>30136068
>tfw seven years later and this board still causes this much salt

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>>30136147
It's funny because "lime" is our code color for 60+% win rate batches.

>this banter
kek, Kregg is a fag tho

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>>30136209
What is your code for sub 17% batches? Because that's what /mlp/ is at in Pes 17 ^:)

>>30136213
Oh hi Kregg

>thread is this slow because /mlp/ is RIP
damn...

What are our chances of escaping wooden spoon again?

>>30136286
>/a/ losing by 3
>/c/ losing by 2, or losing 1-0. Losing 2-1 ties the spoon
>/k/ losing by any amount

>>30136296
oh dear the /tv/ vs /k/ game will be a shitfest

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>>30136296
>Losing 2-1 ties the spoon
Did I hear...
SPOON PLAYOFFS?

>>30136324
>four teams tie for the spoon
>they all suck so hard nobody scores
>all games take a long time to end
I want this to happen