S07E10 Episode Discussion #3

>>30127514
Should I watch this episode if I haven't watched any of season 7 and a tiny bit of season 6?

>>30127514
IT WAS ACTUALLY A DECENT EPISOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE

This season is fucking amazing

10/10 episodes galore.

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>>30127533
forgot this

>>30127532
Yes

>>30127532
Sure, if you think Glimmer is the best thing since sliced bread.

>>30127532
Watch S6 finale and S7 premiere so you're up to date with Glim Glam's development.

Or just watch the whole show faggot.

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Daybreaker is a shitty name, face it.

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Starlight Glimmer is the best pony

>>30127532
Just cut your wrists.

If you haven't been watching MLP, you're not worthy of living.

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>>30127560
>Glim Glam's development

>>30127577
Dubs confirm this is a smart anon

>Captcha is 2600 Pegasus

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>>30127514
>her marejuice tastes like pineapples

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@30127568

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Glim Glam saved another episode, 10/10

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>>30127467
>>30127467
>>30127467
Screencap thread

>>30127568
Its subtle.
Better than just stealing some fandom donut steal name.

>>30127568
Better than:

Nightmare Sun
Tyrant Sun
Solar Flare
Singularity

Any others?

>>30127514
That was fucking amazing.
10/10 second favourite episode of the season

>>30127586
Luna eats fresh fruit everyday so you would look forward to when she splatters your face with her sweet sticky marecum

>>30127607

i was actually on-board with 'nightmare star' but daybreaker is amazing.

glimmer is better than all the other shit characters

>>30127539
I agree, one of the best in recent times.

>>30127586
That is, if you can ever navigate through that apparent galaxy of a tail of hers.

It's been acting pretty interestingly during this ep

>>30127607
Nightmare Star

and I could think of a bunch of astronomical sounding ones
Black Hole
Pulsar
Heat Death

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>>30127539
Man I'm shocked the season is bouncing back so strong after how incredibly meh S6 was

>30127593
>saved an episode she was barely apart of
(You)'re grasping at straws

Squash soup. That is all.

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@30127570
@30127593

>>30127644
>Black Hole
That's the colloquial term for Celestia's ass.

>30127619
(You) are trying too hard now

>>30127644
>Nightmare Star
This would be so much better, you just have shit taste.

LEWIS & SONGCO ARE SAVING MY LITTLE PONY

GOD BLESS THOSE TWO WOMEN

FUCK THAT EPISODE WAS ACTUALLY GOOD
WHAT DO WE DO BROS THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER

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Someone mentioned this in the first episode thread.

Couldn't Celestia have woken Starlight up?

>>30127670
>Nightmare
>NIGHTmare
>Night

That's Luna's thing.

>>30127660
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>>30127669
Stop replying to them you fucking retards, breaking your post link just gives them MORE attention since you obviously give enough of a shit to do that.

>>30127679
What is the fun on that?

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>>30127679
How tho? She was in the dream world with her wasn't she?

>>30127607
Starscream

>>30127679
Yep, but she didnt because plot reasons, same reason the completely accidental impulsively casted spell had the specific length of 24 hours and was unable to be reversed.

>>30127594
I'm gonna be fucking pissed if Daybreaker never somehow becomes real.

Like some black smoke of pure evil whatever is able to possess Celestia and she turns into Daybreaker and Twilight and co have to make her snap out of it.

Seriously if this is all we ever see of her I'll be so disappointed.

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>>30127696
Fucking damn it, Anon.

>>30127679
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Are Nightmares Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Wake Up Like Nigga Open Your Eyes Haha

>>30127706
She's not coming back. Enjoy the little we got.

>>30127706
>and Twilight and co have to make her snap out of it.
You mean Glimmer.

"You told me this version of you would never exist!"
etc.

>>30127679
>Wake up Glimmer
>Same shit happens next night because Luna never tells Celestia to j"ust b urself"

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>>30127533

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>>30127713
fucking lel

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>>30127679
>>30127713
>>30127692
She was in the Dream world but not her physical self. Starlight was having the Nightmare, not Celestia.

If Celestia can enter the dream realm, surely she can exist it which is exactly what she did after Daybreaker was banished. The Dream realm can be entered and exited, couldn't Celestia have done that and just woke up Glimmer in the real world?
>>30127724
Celestia had gained an appreciation for Luna's work by that point. She saw how bad things could get

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>>30127696

>>30127679
If she do that, Starlight will become more insane.

>>30127713
Kek

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>Off to the sex dungeon!

>>30127740
Yeah but it's Luna's and, for that one night, Celestia's job to aid pones through whatever nightmares they're going through
Her leaving would basically have ended up with her not having done her job and all that

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>>30127685

>>30127771
Wouldn't that sort of be OK, considering Luna's going to gain back her Dream Realm powers in a few hours anyway and it could be resolved?
>>30127752
Starlight's Nightmare would no longer be a thing if she was woken up and Celestia, in gaining an appreciation for Luna's work and vice versa, made up and stopped bickering because the worry would be over

>>30127777
Quads on a shitty photoshop , nice

>>30127765
Glimmer really can stan Twilight can she?

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>>30127777
I fixed it

>>30127777
>>30127797
>DELET THIS vision.

>>30127790
>Wouldn't that sort of be OK, considering Luna's going to gain back her Dream Realm powers in a few hours anyway and it could be resolved?
It'd kinda defeat the whole 'swap jobs for the day' thing if Celestia just let Starlight suffer cause Luna would deal with it eventually, wouldn't it?

>>30127792
jesus I'm fucking drunk
can't stand

>>30127700
>>30127729
>>30127772
>>30127800
MAKE IT STOP!

>>30127821
not likely since they already did an episode about Starlight going back to the sonic rainboom.

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>>30127740
Why didn't they just fly the ring to mordor?

>>30127821
the writers are retarded but they're not THAT retard
and if they turn out to be I'm leaving

>>30127814
Not really, because Celestia already understood Luna's job wasn't a walk in the park since she didn't seem capable of handling it at first.

The purpose was to appreciate each others tasks, not to complete the job

>>30127790
>Nightmare would no longer be a thing
If you're awake after a dream with too much dreadful shit it still have affect on you.

>>30127814
Luna fucked up and Celestia has to deal with it.

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>>30127834
>the writers are retarded but they're not THAT retard

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>>30127532
It's focused less on Glimmer than what you think. There's both an A and B plot between the royal sisters and Twilight's neurosis with Glimmer. Pacing is good and there were some funny bits. Plus, the dreamworld is even more consistently weird and creepy.

And as a bit of a spoiler instead of "Nightmare Sun" it's "Daybreaker." Makes you wonder how fucked up ponies would be if they didn't have this tendency towards harmony.

It's one of my favorites.

>>30127832
the MAP, which is connected to the Rainboom6, CALLED starlight
this means that she's connected to them as well, and we'll see a seedling or some branch that was behind the tree that had her element in it the whole time
The Element of Retcon and Bullshit

I'm telling you, they're gonna retcon it so she's been connected to them this whole time

>>30127837
Well, but then Glimmy would have nightmares for the rest of the night, Luna couldn't do anything as Celestia had her magic. Also, once Celestia dealt with Starlight's nightmare they switched back their cutie marks faster, so I guess it was for convenience.
And you're a pretty shitty friend if you leave glimmer in that situation until their cutie marks switch back.

>>30127869
The map is connected to the tree of harmony.

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>Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?
>copied from IDW's Nightmarity Arc
>A Royal Problem
>copied from Micro #10

At this rate they're going to make a show version of Reflections aren't they.

>>30127568
No its badass

>>30127841
Depends on the subject matter, no? Once Starlight would wake up she'd realise the subject issue of her Nightmare wasn't real.

But at the same time, Celestia did mention Starlight's psyche being at risk, so maybe you are right in that.

>>30127870
If you wake her up she isn't having the Nightmare. Then when she realises Celestia appreciates Luna's work and vice versa, the entire subject matter of her nightmare becomes moot, so it goes away

>>30127853
Yeah but she at least tried to do Celestia's job, she didn't flake out cause Celestia would deal with it the next day

Actually the first episode I've been able to watch all the way through without cringe-quitting half-way through in a while.

>>30127607
Nightmare Noon

>>30127881
the map is an extension of the tree and is also connected to the mane6, keep up

>>30127889
But then she has to stay up until they switch back the cutie marks, and she was already tired.

>>30127854
>almost exclusively 10s and 9s

Wow, there's actually people of taste left here

>>30127869
I like the idea that she's become the tree's bitch after using her magic to turn it back on

Daybreaker porn when?

She's too hot to not have any.

>>30127904
Silent majority, bruv

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>>30127884
I'm 100% waiting this.

>>30127734

Mare cum. Watched out of pure curiosity , I swear.

Still good after 7 seasons? What prevents pone from going through seasonal rot?

I wonder if Nicole Oliver actually enjoyed doing this episode. She did a really good job.

>>30127903
Starlight? She wouldn't, would she.
Order of events

>Celestia leaves dream realm
>Wakes up Starlight
>Nightmare stops
>Wakes up Luna
>They reconcile since they realise how hard each others jobs are
>Starlight no longer has the worry
>Sleeps peacefully

I don't understand, why anons sperg over glim glam being poochie.

All she did here, was being a catalyst for princesses, that is pushing forward the episode.

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>>30127932
Being a show about cute poners, you silly.

>>30127926
elaborate anon I want to be disgusted before going to eat dinner

>"He's gonna think I'm nuts!"
>"He's not the only one."

I completely lost it at that part.

>>30127932

Most of season 6 sucked real bad dude. Even this season isn't amazing. There have been some pretty good episodes so far though, which is a suprise coming from someone who disliked most of season 5 and hated most of season 6.

>>30127932

A large cast, coupled with the introduction and establishment of new characters and setting features. A slowly migrating focus rather than a static one.

Technically there IS seasonal rot, it's something that's simply unavoidable, but the way MLP is built and set up it can rot for many many seasons before one would even be likely to notice.

>>30127944
>the map calling Glimmer literally retcons the Elements of Harmony and makes them worthless
>Glimmer does exactly the same she always does, forcing her magic onto others, this time the episode even rewards her presenting her as if she was in the right
The Princesses were great, but that's A LOT of bullshit. The worst part is that it was literally unnecessary. They could've decided to switch their duties, like in the comic. Literally any other pony could have convinced to do it willingly. Glimmer was shoehorned as fuck.

>>30127765
Imagine her horsepussy flapping in the ground

FLAPFLAPFLAPFLAP

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I wanna make my waifu gourmet pancakes

>>30127932
The constant rotation of new and fresh writers.

Nobody's really in charge, everyone just adds their personal pieces to the whole.

Most of /mlp/ disagrees, but search your heart, you know it to be true.

>>30127884
>A non-shit version of the parallel world story that actually features the anti-mane 6

sign me the fuck up

>>30127961
Yeah that was hilarious
Based Twilight

>>30127821
>tfw they're literally gonna make her a secret seventh element
All those terrible fanfictions. Canon.

>>30127972
Whats worse is that Starlight was advising / assisting Luna during the day.
Despite there probably being ponies whose job that is and would have probably taken at least a little bit of the workload.

>>30128000
Her rant at the end was perfect as well. Tara was on form for this episode.

>>30127972
The Elements of Harmony aren't static, and never have been. Remember they're tied to a tree, implying growth.

Glimmer's role was still a bit bullshit.

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>>30127943
you're right anon

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>>30127679
>>30127833
Every time.

I think there must be a reason why it doesn't work like that but I don't know. A lot of the answers so far don't really get into it

>>30127972
Fair point.

But I think, that CM switch served as better catalyst in that case.

>>30128022
Plot convenience. Some Anons hate that term, but that's essentially what it is. Without it, there would be less or no story to tell.

>>30128057
This. Imagine if Celestia actually did go and just wake Starlight up, we'd all be calling that shit writing.

>>30128008
Well, that kinda made sense, she had fucked up badly, she needed to be with the Princesses to know that everything was right. It was a consequence of the shoehorning, not a different offense.

>>30128019
Then again, the Elements had the Mane 6 cutie marks. There was a bond between the Mane 6, the Elements, and the Tree. Even if the Tree decides to grow a new branch with Glimmer's CM, the Elements were always only six from the beginning.

>>30128035
>that CM switch served as better catalyst in that case
Come to think of it, maybe the purpose of the CM switch was to make the episode look different from the comic, not shoehorning Glimmer. I'm still salty as fuck about the map calling her, I think that it was completely unnecessary.

>newest shitposting of Starlight being the seventh element
the most likely scenario is that the map got familiar with her magic because she turned it on

>>30128076
The most interesting idea so far.

>>30128076
Huh, that actually kind of works, she was screwing around with it a lot and did help to reactivate it.

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>>30128076
>she turned it on

>>30128072
>There was a bond between the Mane 6, the Elements, and the Tree.
There also was a bond between Celestia, Luna, the Elements and the Tree, and the elements held a different shape back then. That bond was separated a long time ago.
As I said, the elements aren't static.

Am I missing episode? I see people posting episode about RD's parents but I don't that episode aired?

>>30128121
It aired today on Discovery. Aired two weeks ago on Leafhouse.

>>30128076
>>30128116
StarlightXMap porn when
>Starlight just writhing on top of the table while her cutiemark pulses randomly.

>>30128121
that was a few weeks ago on Treehouse it aired today on Discovery Family

>>30128121
Jump over >>30124850 senpai

>>30128072
Tree has only Twiligth's cutie mark. Elements became cutie marks only after magic awaking thing by mane6.

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PANTY

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>>30127514
>S7 only have bad epis-
not so fast
I enjoyed this one and will rewatch it again in better quality

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>>30128178
>Tree has only Twiligth's cutie mark.
And Celestia's and Luna's if you want to nitpick.

>>30128072
>salty as fuck about the map calling her
I think problem is bigger, than her. You just see the surface on it.
You are complaining that Glimglam is begin called by map.

But in earlier season you would question yourself with correct M6 pairing for each problem presented on map. That's because you would know that other M6 characters could fix the problem better.
And I don't hear you complaining about that.

I wonder how many friendships problem would Spike solve, as he often is portrayed as voice of reason.
And I don't hear you complaining about that.

The problem is how the fuck map choses ponies to solve problems.
And I don't hear you complaining about that.

You are salty because of glimglam.
glimglam is just a symptom
root cause is simply miller and staff writing

Besides:
Map tends to choose those ponies, who would struggle with this problem. Thus, they would benefit from this friendship problem too.
It is always a bigger satisfaction. when due to huge effort, you achieve something.

>>30127514
Here's the deal; this episode could have easily been 10/10 material. There were moments throughout that were genuinely well-written (mostly interaction between Celestia and Luna), and it was very nice to see the royal sisters relationship shown and expanded upon in canon. Basically, the actual interaction between Celestia and Luna was surprisingly good.

However, there were far more problems than there should have been. First and foremost:

>why is starlight there

Memes aside, why was she involved in this episode at all? Same with Twilight, actually. Neither of them really needed to be in this episode; the central conflict is strong enough that there really didn't need to be a B plot that took time away from Celestia and Luna. Also, there were four fucking scenes in the beginning where Starlight talks with Twilight and explains what the audience has already seen, which is just padding. Starlight's only purpose in the story was to be a catalyst for the cutie mark switch, but it could've easily just been a dare between the sisters or something less extreme and involving 100% less Starlight.

Secondly, while I do like the conflict between the sisters, the actual basis for it seems rather weak. Considering the history of the two of them, you'd think that not only would both be intimately aware of the duties of the other, but fully respect and appreciate one another. I completely understand bickering and falling-outs between siblings, but this scenario felt very forced. It just seems kind of OOC (even if we haven't seen much of these characters) for them to be acting snippy and bitchy for very little reason and not just TALKING about their problems.

Really could've been amazing, really wasn't in the end. Really quite a shame.

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Resposting dump.

S07E11 - Not Asking For Trouble - May 21
Pinkie Pie visits Prince Rutherford and the Yaks. While there an avalanche falls on the entire rustic village of Yakyakistan. Pinkie Pie suggests that she go to get the other ponies to come help but the proud Prince and Yaks refuse.
S07E12 - Discordant Harmony - May 27
When Discord invites Fluttershy to his realm for tea, he worries she won't be comfortable there and begins to change it and himself with disastrous results.
S07E13 - The Perfect Pear - May 28
The Apple Siblings learn about their parent's love story and find out that they're half Pear.
S07E14 - Fame and Misfortune - June 3
Twilight Sparkle's publishing of the friendship journal has unintended consequences when ponies start to argue over who wrote the best lessons.
S07E?? - Triple Threat
Spike accidentally invites Ember and Thorax to Ponyville on the same day. He's sure the two new leaders are not going to get along so he does all he can to keep them apart and cover the fact that the other is there.
S07E?? - Campfire Tales
When their sister camping trip is ruined by Fly-ders, Applejack, Rarity and Rainbow Dash tell Sweetie Belle, Apple Bloom and Scootaloo the stories of their favorite legends; inspired by the tales, the girls make the most out of their new situation.
S07E?? - Daring Done
(synopsis unconfirmed) Rainbow Dash's favorite author announces her retirement. Dash convinces Pinkie Pie to find out if the book on Daring Do will be closed forever.
S07E?? - A Health of Information
While helping Fluttershy gather supplies, Zecora comes down with a terrible disease called Swamp Fever; even though a cure has not been discovered, Fluttershy makes it her mission to heal Zecora no matter what it takes.
S07E?? - To Change A Changeling
Starlight Glimmer and Trixie try to get Thorax's brother Pharynx to accept the new way by sharing love and transforming so he doesn't undermine Thorax's leadership, and that the hive will ultimately accept him.

>>30128193
hold on is that even Luna's mark? Luna's cutie mark is just a crescent moon, that one is of a crescent moon with a star
either this is a writing inconsistency or they're setting up for some serious shit jeez I wonder which one it could be

>>30127568
I thought it was good. Didn't expect it when there's already a bunch of alternatives suggested by the fandom

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S07E?? - It Isn't The Mane Thing About You
When Rarity's shampoo is accidentally switched with Zecora's magical remover potion, she does everything she can to fix her devastated mane in time for an upcoming photo shoot.
S07E?? - Once Upon A Zeppelin
Twilight is torn when she discovers the cruise she and her family are on is a themed vacation experience in which ponies have paid for the privilege of spending time with her, and she must please both her family and the cruise attendees.
S07E?? - Marks and Recreation
Wanting to help as many blank flanks as possible, the CMCs start a Cutie Mark Day Camp, but are surprised when one of their campers doesn't want a cutie mark.
S07E?? - Secrets and Pies
When Pinkie Pie thinks she sees Rainbow Dash throw away one of her pies, she suspects the worst - that Rainbow Dash secretly hates her pies; Pinkie Pie attempts to catch Rainbow Dash in her web of lies.

AJ: Bright Mac and Pear Butter, grampa Old Grand Pear
Romeo & Juliet style duet in flashback.
-5 songs total
-William Shatner & Felicia Day guest-starring
-Pony of Shadows

>>30128121
Discovery has its own airing rules.
One episode per week, like they always did.

Canadians however wanted to makes us angry and they air two episodes per weekend. (WITH NO COMMERCIALS!)

>>30128191
That certainly is not panty show.

>>30127987
can someone edit it so it's a pile of shit she's easting

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>>30128214
I thought it was just a sparkle but it isn't.

>>30128227
Or a pile of (you)s.

>>30128222
>That certainly is not panty show.
But it is, anon. In my mind, it is.

>>30127987
Why'd she need utensils if she can just grab a piece with magic?

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>>30128243
Well, there is no point about arguing with your mind.

>>30128249
Why'd you need utensils if you can just grab a piece with hands?

>>30128191
Those are tights anon

>>30127932
We had a rut in season 6 but it bounced right back it seems

>>30128277
Touché.

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My little sister can't possible be this cute!

>>30128261
nice

>>30128069
Wouldn't it make sense or nah?

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I'm not even sure why, but this scene absolutely killed me
Literally >:c

This episode is great. One tiny nitpick I have though is that I think "Daybreak" would have been better than DaybreakER, as the latter kind of sounds like someone is going to break the day (destroy Celestia), while the former sounds more like referring to the start of a day (perhaps an endless one).

>>30127607
Sun Flare Star

>>30128118
I also said that there were always six elements though. Celestia and Luna had six elements when they were the bearers. Is Starlight sharing someone else's Element? Is one of the Elements hers now and the former bearer no longer holds it? It's not a minor detail, the show started with the Elements, the Elements were replaced with a box, and the bow were replaced with a map. The map was a link between the show now and the beginning. It was an "anchor", to remind us that everything was connected. It's really disappointing to see that that connection means nothing, that the map and that scene in S0102 when the Elements appeared are completely unrelated. Fuck, it hurts. I know I'm not being clear, because I'm really pissed off right now. It was completely unnecessary, they REALLY shouldn't have done like this.

>>30128375
It makes sense to us because we live in reality. That's fiction, it follows the trope rules.

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>>30128438
Nightmare Sun Flare Star

Super Ultra Sun Flare Dawn Sunshine Tyrant

>>30128446
I think it's more likely there's a seventh element now. The elements change shape, change bearer, so why not amount?

Starlight is also linked to mane6, a link between now and the beginning, as you put it.

>>30128483
Nightmare Sun Flare Sun Star Mare Star Sun Sun

>>30128527
Nightmare care bear

>>30128401
She causes the sun to rise though, "daybreak" so it makes sense.
Also celestia being terrible with names is canon.
'Ponyville' for instance

>>30128544
Oh, yeah. I guess it can mean "one who breaks (brings) day". Sometimes little things pass me by.

>>30128443
>>30128545

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>>30128217
Spoiler that shit you humongous faggot

>>30127261
>>30127348

>>30127617
But that's all true for Starlight, or whoever is having the dream.
You think the same applies for Luna/Celestia/the dream realm walker?

>>30128537
Sun Tzu

>>30128386
Luna genuinely feeling like shit afterwards and wanting to fix that mess felt too real. Fuck.

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>>30128515
>I think it's more likely there's a seventh element now.
Yeah, but that's kinda my problem. I mean, there could be any number of Elements, but the two sisters were using six, thousands of years before the Mane 6 were born. The Elements were waiting for the Mane 6 for thousands of years. And now all of that just means nothing, it was merely incidental. If anyone can be an Element, being an Element means nothing. The prophecy means nothing, the Sonic Rainboom means nothing. It feels like removing the Season 1 legacy, for no reason at all.

>>30128697
Chuckled.

The episode was sub-par for me in the first half and it is definitely because of Starlight. Twilight wasn't helping either but at least she was less prevalent. The map calling Starlight is aggravating, besides the fact she has no Element and no Throne (who can we expect next? Bic Mac or Trixie, the Crusaders?) it just compounds the same problem of Starlight getting a better deal than most. Every other Mane 6 is called out to deal with hicks, casino moguls, a struggling neighborhood, and what does Starlight get (by herself, no less, because who needs anyone else right)? The royal palace to deal with the royal sisters.

Starlight in general was the downside of the episode with stereotypical 'awkward' behavior but Twilight was almost as flanderized as Pinkie was in Rock Solid Friendship. Twilight's a spaz but this made her really, really bad in that terms. And why was she surprised by Starlight saying neither princess is 'the best'? Twilight has seen and been affected by both sisters making mistakes, she would realize they could have faults. And, on Starlight again, I REALLY, dislike the show consistently giving her a free pass to abuse her magic to abuse/change whatever she wants with no repercussions and facing no consequences, as per her MO. I find it annoying how it so effortlessly worked on the alicorns as well but I can ignore that, but what I can't ignore is that unlike previous episodes this doesn't even play up the idea that it's BAD. She is outright vindicated in going with her gut and no mention is made again of her total lack of empathy in forcing her magic upon others without their consent. The sisters get angry at first, but they are utterly powerless in the face of this one single, more or less unapologetic pony who basically invoked 'easier to ask forgiveness than permission' and was praised for it by episode's end as though the ends justified the means.

>>30128755
Starlight isn't just anyone, she's a gifted unicorn with a strong connection to the mane6.
Incidentally, she also brings the balance (harmony, if you will) back to 2+2+2(+1 alicorn) in racial diversity.
The elements mean harmony like they've always done, the prophecy has already been fulfilled, and all that's happening now is still a result of the Sonic Rainboom.

>>30128843
Just once I would really like for Starlight to learn from not only using magic as an easy out, but the way she might be affecting other ponies when she does it. I mean, I know Twilight was over-reacting but her complaints have merit that no one seemed to care about in the end.

The rest of the episode following the switch was better, however, because Starlight's influence finally began to wane. I think a Freaky Friday flip is rather cliched, but the Princesses switching places did lead to a lot of good moments for them (though why is Starlight Luna's aide and not the aides Celestia USUALLY has to help her like Raven or such?). The part where Celestia's dream started up (did she forget she used to raise the moon for a thousand years?) improve even more with Celestia's focus and her quirks, and then the culmination of the conflict with Luna and Celestia truly coming together in the dream world and playing off each other's strengths.

Though one more Starlight related thing that irked me: remember the bit in the Chaos Theory comic where Starlight basically gave the whole 'Harmony is good' speech and had to explain it to Celestia on her own? Starlight was the one pointing out 'balance is necessary' and how much Celestia and Luna needed each other to Celestia at first, and Sun-horse responded with nothing to her. Why did Celestia had to have that explained to her? I'm willing to let this one possibly slide on the basis that, it's Starlight's dream and Celestia may have been reeling from the pressures of Luna's duties, but its just so confusing that Starlight is the one that needs to point this out because, apparently STARLIGHT is an expert on social interactions now.

>>30128851
However, following that, is the best parts of the entire episode in its ending with Luna and Celestia's interactions. I would have preferred more of this (and the bickering) throughout the whole of the episode and it'd have been a lot better for me. In the end all Starlight really did was serve as the catalyst for their feud and, ultimately, they worked through and solve their problems on their own while Starlight was crying over her follies so they did the brunt of the work themselves (and, in case anyone was curious, no that didn't get me sympathetic towards Starlight just because she throws herself a pity party and everyone else sings her praises at the end). I also think the episode would have been better if Starlight had just asked for switching the marks, showing growth on her end, or if Twilight had been the one in this situation because she already has previous history with both sisters, but in the end what we got for our first Royal Sister's episode pulled through in the end. Just, please, Lady Writers, next time leave out the sociopath and find something else to actually develop her on.

And give us more Celestia/Luna together in general, this episode was good but it COULD have been perfect, and I have faith next time you can give us perfect.

>>30128843
>>30128851
>>30128860

Not your blog.

>>30128870
>Stop discussing the show!
Not him, but god you're a faggot.

>>30128870
This thread is for discussing the episode, though. I don't think people should be dismissed just because they have a lot to say.

>>30128870
He can post what he wants.

Even if I disagree with much of what he's posting here I appreciate that he took the time to type it out and post it here for the sake of discussion.

>>30128843
>>30128851
>>30128860
Thanks by the way.

>>30128843
>>30128851
>>30128860
Anon i will gladly suck your dick for putting into words my thoughts on this episode.

Pretty much just "Good episode, in spite of starlight." yet again.

Has anyone else noticed that we see Starlight in bed a lot?

>>30128843
>I REALLY, dislike the show consistently giving her a free pass to abuse her magic to abuse/change whatever she wants with no repercussions and facing no consequences

I have to disagree with this, the princesses were both angry at her when she did it and she avoided punishment by convincing them to give it a shot, which they accepted. This is a lot better than we've seen in previous episodes where the ponies act like it never happened or forgive her far too easily. She switched their buttmarks, they walked in each others shoes and Glimmer took a backseat, acting as support. Glimmer honestly wasn't that bad this episode.

>>30128933
but she didn't even NEED to be in the ep
it was already shown that they can move their CMs anytime they fucking want
it should have them getting into the heated bickering and then one of them proposes that they could do a better job at it than their sister, so they agree to switch marks for 24 hours
Starlight was not needed at all

>>30128293
Not him, but that's even better.

>>30128933
>the princesses were both angry at her when she did it
And it resulted in nothing. They would have probably have gone along with it anyways but the fact that Starlight didn't think to ask first should have gotten her a lecture at the end, at least. And afterwards they DID forgive her far too easily / pretend like it was just fine.

>>30128933
It's literally the same exact situation as when she mind controlled the mane6 minus twilight.
They were mad, she mumbled an apology, they forgave her within the space of 30 seconds.

>>30128847
>a strong connection to the mane6
And, again, the problem is that it feels extremely forced. We've been told that such connection exists, but we have never seen her bonding with the Mane 6. I'm not saying that the pilot was perfect ("we literally just met today but we're already best friends forever, yay!"), but after that episode we had plenty of episode of Twilight bonding with the other ponies. Glimmer only bonds with Trixie and Maud. And it's OK, not everyone has to be friends with the Mane 6. But if she's not their friend, why do they keep on presenting her as if she was exactly like the others? For what purpose? I can't understand it, I don't see how it improves anything, but I see it undermining all the established canon about the Mane 6 friendship to each other.

>>30128386
I want to grab that filly by the mane and pluck her out of the ground.

>>30128973
>it should have them getting into the heated bickering and then one of them proposes that they could do a better job at it than their sister

Except it was stated quite clearly that their problem is that they don't communicate, they needed a middle pony. Were you even watching the episode, or did Glimmer's face just send you into a blind, frothing rage from which there is no return?

>>30128983
Because they learned an extremely valuable lesson. Which was also stated quite clearly.

>>30129000
>Were you even watching the episode
they communicated just fine in the SoL ep
again, she was shoehorned into the ep for no reason
and they were on the verge of bursting at each other anyway, so Starshit was not needed at all

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>>30128991
I suddenly want a fic where picrelated crash landed on equestria instead of post-apocolyptic earth.

>>30128847
>strong connection to the mane6.
they hardly ever interact there is little to no connection there that we ever actually see
>she also brings the balance (harmony, if you will)
whenever she interacts with the mane 6 it turns into a clusterfuck and the racial diversity means nothing, the show staff clearly don't care if they made Twilight and alicorn so easily

face it, she's shit and will never be anything more than she is, all the map sending her away meant was that her magic got stuck in it because of when she fucked up in S5 finale

>>30129032
>they communicated just fine in the SoL ep
No, they didn't, they forgot the gift because they WEREN'T communicating.

Again, she was shoehorned in because she's the one with experience in cutie mark altering magic, and as Celestia explained in no uncertain way, the map chose her because she was the only one bold enough to do it.

>>30129011
>It's okay to make stupid decisions if people learn lessons from it.
It's not like they could have learned how hard each others job is any other way or anything, forcibly switching their entire purpose in life on a sheer whim was the only logical solution.

>>30128916
Her increased magical ability comes at the cost of physical lethargy. She gets tired faster and stays tired longer.

Headcanon, obviously.

>>30129052
Twilight could have done it better
quit shilling your proto-twilight OC shit character, Jim


>>30129058
They could have done the CM switching themselves

>>30129058
>On sheer whim
Literally wrong, Starlight had her reasons, and she told them those reasons. This was what she resorted to after trying to talk to them failed.

>>30129072
Twilight couldn't have done it better, she's biased towards Celestia, which was also pointed out. My god, you people are angry as hell. I may not like Glimmer, but I have to admit she was done well in this episode.

>>30129072
>Twilight could have done it better
They literally explained why she didn't go in the episode. You just didn't listen cause your Glimmer hate boner was probably plugging your ears.

>>30128261
Outstanding

>>30128916
Depression.

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>>30127568
You do realize that if they named her solarflare, which is a much more common term there's probably someone that can sue them right?

>>30129131
She's so relatable I like her even more now

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So what's the verdict on Daybreak? Well done? Shouldn't exist?

>>30129106
if your excuse is because Twilight is biased than that's an even bigger reason to have Twilight go, force her to break her vision of her mentor, see that Celestia isn't as great as she remembers her, make Twilight break her bias, it's a much better lesson than what Glimmer had and Twilight would probably remember it

>>30129094
Literally correct you whitewashing fucktard.
She did it on sheer impulse after listening to them argue and obviously regretted it the second after she cast the spell.

>>30129106
"Because the map didnt call me" is a weak explanation and you know it.

>>30129094
>>30129106
>Implying an episode revolving around Twilight having to over-come a bias and learn that Celestia is every bit as at fault as Luna wouldn't be a great opportunity to develop all three alicorns at once while still providing a good Royal Sisters episode
Would have preferred a character with history with both characters too, Twilight would have been fine with a little tweaking to the writing

>>30129131
good, maybe she'll kill herself soon

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>>30129145
Fearection/10

>>30129145
I'd say she was medium rare because we'll probably never see her again.

>>30128200
>But in earlier season you would question yourself with correct M6 pairing for each problem presented on map. That's because you would know that other M6 characters could fix the problem better.

A common theme in map episodes is that the "problem solvers" are the ones who learn the most because they assume they know how to fix things.

(doesn't apply to this episode, though)

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>>30127899
10/10 have a (you) sir

>>30129148
This. one of the biggest developments left for Twilight to go through is to go against/confront Celestia, whom she has never sided against in her life, on something. This could have been a great start for Twilight being able to come into her own as a princess by pointing out Celestia was in the wrong as much as luna

>>30129145
I like her, if she's ever done for real she might need to be redone so she doesn't look so much like Nightmare Moon

>>30129150
>Changes argument from whim to impulse
Which is it you backpeddaling mongol? The princesses explained that going with her gut was the right thing to do, holy shit.

>>30128986

So your argument is that they're focusing too much on Starlight when they're trying to bring her up to par with the rest? Ponies with 100+ episodes of appearances?

>>30129154
That would have been nice, but Twilight never would have changed their cutie marks or acted against Celestia in any way unless she acts in some overtly OOC manner we all would have called out as shit writing.

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>>30127696

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>>30129145
Want to see her again.

>>30129189
they could make her just as enjoyable as the other mane 6 in one season with a select few episode with:
No shoehorning
No Mary Sue bullshit
Not making her unable to learn any lesson
and overall just competent fucking writing

>>30129145
I don't like her design nor her name, Nightmare Star is far superion villain.

>>30129189
???????????????????????????
Have you even read my post? I'm saying that we never see her bonding with the Mane 6. If they are going to keep her in the show, they should give us an episode like No Second Prances or Rock Solid Friendship with Glimmer and the Mane 6, instead of other random ponies. We NEVER got that. Right now we're supposed to believe that she's exactly like the others, but they aren't even friends. Give me more episodes like S1 Twilight's, or send Glimmer away, but stop fucking pretending that all of that is happening off screen.

>>30129234
Nightmare is associated with the night. Where's your reasoning?

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>>30127932
I've liked all the episodes of S7 and liked most of S6 but I'll admit S6 had some that I didn't like but I'm not going to over analyze it

I enjoy the show, you should too

>>30129185
>Whim.
Acting without thinking of the consequences.
>Impulse
A sudden desire to act.

Basically the same thing in this situation you pedantic twat although after looking it up "Whim" works better, and the Princesses saying that starlight was in the right is part of whats wrong with the episode.
Their problem could have been fixed without the excessive use of magic and the episode would have been better for it.

>>30129246
>Nightmare is associated with the night
Not always and in sounds much better, also superior design.

>>30129207
>That would have been nice, but Twilight never would have changed their cutie marks
I feel like this would have been optional, we obviously wouldn't have obtained this exact same episode but even Starlight points out it was extreme, you can solve the Princess' problems without resorting to it

>>30129154

It's as I mentioned on the first thread, it doesn't matter because as they say Twilight's arc is done. She can't learn anything (it's not like she isn't getting an episode in a few days) and nothing interesting can happen to her.

Now keep eating this way more interesting pink-ish unicorn.

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>>30127869
>>30127834
>>30127821
Man you guys are drama queens Jesus,
It wouldn't even make sens celestia was in position and actually used all the existing elements multiple times in flashbacks like the discord episode

But I see where you're coming from , the map is connected to the tree of harmony and that's connected to the elements of harmony but I don't think she's connected to the map

The map calls the pony best suited for the job, and think about it, usually when one of the 6 gets called there's usually a pretty sizable risk, that's why it's not going "ding" every time some pony Stubbs their good on something

Starlight has been living in the castle right? Or she's been near it enough I bet it recognized her as the best one suited for the job, and sure since it wasn't THAT dramatic between Luna and celestia, when you have 2 ponies who are basically gods in a rough patch it can't be good for anyone if it persists

The tree and it's elements exist to keep harmony, who's to say the tree can't call on some pony without them being an element

I'm pretty sure just making her a 7th element is something they've thought of by now and they're probably aware of the uproar it would cause, and the plot holes, it would increase the sale of toys maybe but that's really the only positive side to it

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>>30129207

Oh sure, cutie mark switching was totally mandatory. It had to happen. There was no other way they could have gone through this because it also HAD to happen on the dreamscape.

>>30129335
It would have been much more boring if it hadn't gone that way, though.

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>>30128076
Fuck I didn't read this I forgot she turned it on that's the most simple explanation I wrote all my autism for nothing

>>30129335
It wasn't optional because Celestia needed Luna's magic for the dreamscape. Without that, all Celestia would have to do is raise and lower the moon and she's already done that for 1000 years.

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>>30129409
Well, I have to admit that those are pretty good points. This is my headcanon now. But if they gave her a throne, I'll riot.

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We for some time described Celestia as a character, not just a cardboard box, and remembered that the Luna in the character should have something besides reflecting on the past, it's fucked up. Hints in the previous series are not needed, because they are not about sisters, but at least they were in the weaving.
The whole point of the series is that Starlight is bold enough to make a spell on the machine to help the sisters get to know each other better, so the card called for her. This lowers the value of the lesson about not using magic to solve problems, but Starlight seems to understand that it would not work in any other situation than that particular one. Moreover, the label in the end was changed not by it, but by a map born of a tree, which confirms the Tree as the Higher Power ™.
Luna is a pure introvert, of course, it's hard for her. By the way, some of the new problems that pile up, while you still think about the old, very vital.
The nightmare is very symbolic, especially if you remember that it's Starlight's nightmare, in which everything is not very good with ambitions, so it's Starlight, first erecting its imperfections to the extreme, and then projecting them onto Celestia, which has fallen asleep, which is very cool.
In general, it's good that the relationship between the sisters did not reduce to trifles like a cake. Pancakes and smiles are just symbols, not the whole essence of the problem.
I did not particularly like Twilight, but there were two important things for her (her teacher and her student), so that it can be understood.

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>"why the fuck the map should call her?"
>that sad glimglam

>>30129545
>The whole point of the series is that Starlight is bold enough to make a spell on the machine to help the sisters get to know each other better, so the card called for her. This lowers the value of the lesson about not using magic to solve problems, but Starlight seems to understand that it would not work in any other situation than that particular one. Moreover, the label in the end was changed not by it, but by a map born of a tree, which confirms the Tree as the Higher Power ™.
I would argue that they could have done this without shove the Mary Sue Starlight into the mix. It could have been just Luna and Celestia, but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, apparently Starlight can overpower those two ponies too

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>>30129545
Good post anon

I think the lesson was more or less that you should be afraid to do what you think is best , and yes it was a bit impulsive, but I think if I was charged with getting 2 gods to resolve their issues when their both screaming at each other I'd get nervous too

And I thought twilight could have been toned down a bit, but I get she was super excited, I would be too if my student had to do that shit

>>30129617
Why are you even namefagging

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>>30129590
She didn't overpower them, she caught them by surprise

You can have a fucking meat barrel of a man who can kick anyone's ass sure, but if you shoot him in the back of the head that doesn't really matter does it ?

I don't get why people are so god damn salty about starlight, I mean I don't LoVE her but I find her development enjoyable

>>30129617
>>30129664
You're a faggot.

>>30128191
Ballerina Twilight was so cute, made me laugh for real.

>>30129633
My ego needs it

>>30129409
>The tree and it's elements exist to keep harmony
This. It doesn't serve the elements, the elements serve the purpose of keeping harmony and if they're not enough the map sends whoever is suited to keep the harmony going.

I wasn't mad about the table sending Starlight places, I've always seen the castle as part of the tree of harmony which is a sentient being that can see the future.

The tree knew that anyone else would be too tactful or empathetic to bring the issue out but because Starlight is such a belligerent self righteous spergloard she would force the two of them to get their shit out in the open and start dealing with it.

>>30129409
you know what, thanks for that, I love this show autistically and I just really don't want the writers to fuck it up you know? But I'm glad that there are still people who can keep a level head and I needed to read something like this to calm down, so thank you Anon you have an accurate name

>>30129664
Same reason everyone hated Cousin Oliver when he appeared in the Brady Bunch. The writers were trying to introduce somebody new that they could develop because they were out of conflicts and ideas for the old characters, or because they couldn't remember what the old characters had done in the past.

Glimglam is a fresh slate for MLP's writers, but a flag of defeat to a lot of people who for some reason still think the show could be salvaged if they stuck to the lore and characterizations they already have. I mean yeah, Dash is a Wonderbolt now and has no further ambitions, but they think maybe a good writer could do something with that.

Trouble is, good writers don't write shows into the corner MLP is in now. And a good writer doesn't hop on board a sinking ship thinking he'll be able to pilot the ship back to the surface. Good writers know that a sinking ship sinks.

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>3 threads
>200+ posters
>Probably way more lurkers
>1500+ posts including the ones after the bump limits were hit in the last two threads
>Same story for practically every episode so far
and people say the board is dead

>>30129794
>Glimglam is a fresh slate for MLP's writers
She started out as a villain with fucking zero redeeming points and fuck up Equestria over pettiness on Twilight. This was not a fresh slate at all

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Poll for Season 7 Episode 10 “A Royal Problem”
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13005033
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Poll for Season 7 Episode 7 “Parental Glideance”
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13005110
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I ask that you please take a moment to make sure that you've rated both of these. There is a discussion of S7 E7 episode going on in >>30124850 → if you want a refresher.

Last chance to rate the episodes if you want me to count you for data going forward. The polls remain open but I don't use them after, FYI

>>30129817
But look at the nature of the discussions. It's people grappling with the show not living up to expectations. The movie is on its way and the season is being leaked by official sources faster than we know what to do with.

There's a lot of discussion immediately after a new episode airs, but is any of it really a good sign?

>>30129850
No, that's what it turned to.
You're daft if you haven't seen any of the actual discussion.

Even stickies always ended up being shit towards the end. I know because there was a point where I'd close each one, week by week every time.

>Celestia makes breakfast for Luna everyday
>Luna is actually going to sleep
>you are not supposed to eat 2 hours before sleep
She's trying to murder her

>>30129876
For whatever reason I sincerely doubt that eating before you go to bed is a mortal concern for an apparently immortal princess.

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>>30129794
They did that exact same thing you mentioned with shining armor in S2 and I don't remember anyone getting nearly as salty about that, then again I joined in 2013

Difference with starlight is they decided to keep her around and gave a little background to her, and the new breath of development is nice

And yea RD became a wonderbolt and the CMC got their cutiemarks but that's what happens in life, I'm sure there's more development to come, for example I haven't seen pinkie pie and rarity do something in a while(correct me if I'm wrong)

It's just what happens when you stick with the same group of characters for as long as we have, if we followed the 6 every single episode we would be completely dry by now, and frankly I'm not sure how I would have written it better

There's still development between them to be written, just not about their friendship, there's still far more slice of life stories that could be written like the one we saw today

A good example is delta squad from the clone wars which consisted of 5 clone troopers, you think if we followed them for am entire series, without introducing anyone new or any new situations besides taking in mounds of droids they would be any different?

The ship isn't sinking it's just been exploring the same ocean for too long, and there are more territories it can go, where, I don't know

Sorry about the walls of text

>>30129850
I only really noticed this arguing happening in this thread and on the tail end of the last one

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>>30129817
>mfw I watched the 3 leaked episodes already
>mfw I keep missing the chance to watch them on tv so they get decent ratings for a renewal
>mfw I have no new pony for 3 weeks
>mfw I played myself

Not sure if it was worth it

>>30129876
wait for real? I always have a snack before I go to sleep

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>>30129905
>They did that exact same thing you mentioned with shining armor in S2 and I don't remember anyone getting nearly as salty about that,
He's my gay exception and i can safely say people were salty about his sudden appearance, but it was generally accepted it was a Hasbro mandate we had to deal with, likewise with cadence although she had the added shitstorm of being an alicorn.
It helped that his appearances are sporadic, and his character fleshed out a little more each time.

>Delta squad.
Nigga what, last i heard they only got a brief cameo, did they actually get put in the series proper?

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>>30130055
Fuck not delta squad god damn it

It was domino squad, remember they got an episode ? Fuck now I'm angry I should haveremebered that

>>30129777
>I needed to read something like this to calm down
Same here. I didn't enjoy the episode at all, and the fact that I thought that they were "rewriting" the Elements was literally my main issue with it. Having a different perspective changes that for me, and it's a huge change. I'm not sure if I like the episode, I'd need to rewatch it, but probably I wouldn't rate it as "it's shit" now.

>>30128211
>Fandom shotout
Care to post the pic?

>>30129245

What about Everything She Does? :^)

>>30128916
Luna has been showing signs of depression herself most of the time (black, listless, eating, etc.)

>>30127514
Where did this episode air?
We're still on ep 7 and Wikipedia doesnt even cover this.
Canada pls.

>>30130073
It's okay anon, dont forget Samurai jack is ending tonight.

>>30130144
Black people are depressed?
People who eat are depressed?

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>>30130136

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>>30130148
Didn't air, it got leaked today, episodes 8 and 9 are leaked as well

But if you watch them you'll have no new pony for 3 weeks like I decided to do

>>30130148
It aired on Treehouse, Canadian channel
They're airing the next episode tomorrow. They've been airing two episodes every weekend.

>>30130168
Eps 8-9 aired in Canada. They're on Dailymotion.

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So is anyone re-streaming for the faggots on the other side of the world that fell asleep before stream started?

>>30130168
Are the Canadian airings wrapping up now?

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kino

>>30130196
Why do you want a stream when a link to watch it is literally in the OP

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>>30130194
>>30130200
I'm not Canadian!

>>30130226
I like the bants

>>30130011
It's a good way to get fat
Sumo wrestlers are made to eat a full course meal before they got to sleep to pack on the pounds

>>30126949
Excellent work, Anon.

>>30128191
she's turning clockwise

>>30127884
>>30127990
They would actually do justice to the premise in the show.

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>>30130131
well, the main consensus is the evil Celestia was the shoutout, it's been talked about ever since Nightmare Moon was a thing, although back then it went under the name Nightmare Sun, or Solar Flare

>>30130144
Am I the only one who caught Daybreaker's sick burn of Nightmare Moon?
>"All that black. We get it, you're sad"

>>30130258
my metabolism is fucking disturbing actually, I seem to either lose weight or stay the same weight no matter how much I eat, it's actually disturbing because it seems to only be increasing and I may end up digesting myself if it doesn't fucking slow down

>>30130451
Unless everyone temporarily turned deaf at that point, no, I don't think you are

>>30130451
Yeah that was pretty harsh

>>30127514
Wow that was actually a pretty good episode of the two sisters.

>>30130131
Derpy in a dream bubble with a crown and Twilicane.

>>30130461
Two Words - Global Pantry
Order a thousand tootsie pops of various flavors and your problem will be solved

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>An issue stemming over a thousand years back, concerning the two rulers of horse kingdom.
>It caused what might as well have been a civil war and the biggest tragedy in post-Discord Equestria.
>After a thousand years of the nation being crippled without one of the rulers, they finally reunite, thanks to the same insanely powerful artefact that trapped a literal god of chaos.
>Hugs and tears ensure, as season one begins.

>7 years and 6 seasons later.
>The magical table that was used to call two of the Elements to fix problems, suddenly calls only 1 random pony with no affinity to those artefacts.
>Okay.jpg
>Turns out the friendship problem is between the two Princesses.
>It's the same ancient issue that was supposedly resolved some 150 episodes ago.
>But it's back.
>Because fuck you.
>Neither of the ancient demigoddesses comes to a conclusion that maybe holding a grudge against each other is not the smartest thing to do after what happened last time.
>Starlight brings it up.
>They start arguing like fillies.
>Lol they cutie marks got switched.
>The same thing that ties into the very foundation of the planet, controlling the Sun and the Moon.
>The same thing they have discovered when Starswirl was around, freeing the unicorns from their burden in the process.
>Lol nah, Starlight just swapped them because she had an autism attack and couldn't talk her way out of a problem.
>For some reason she is not instantly thrown into a dungeon for threatening the nation's stability.

What the fuck was that? Who came up with this? It basically invalidated the rest of the episode, because it butchered so many things in the first 5 minutes.

>>30131426
"Premise was shit, but characterisation was good apart from various memory problems." is my WIP summary of the episode so far.

>>30127514
The inside of a pineapple doesn't fucking look like that.

>>30131452
My feelings as well desu. Like I'm creaming over a proper Luna/Celly episode, but did we have to butcher every piece of our >deep lore to get there?

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>>30131474
>>30131426
Just enjoy it anon

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>>30127568
Daybreak Dawn would have been a better name.

>>30131487
We can enjoy the good parts while criticising the bad you know.

>>30127568
>>30131511
I'd be personally just fine with Daybreak.
But it might be due to it being my favourite weapon in Terraria

>>30129409
and Jim will retcon it so Starlight has been part of the group the whole time somehow
the ONLY way I will ever accept your explanation is if we see it call another pony, preferably one not very connected to the mane6
hell, it could call the CMC ffs.
as long as it just calls on another pony, I'll be happy with what you said
otherwise, it's just Jim and Vogel shoving their OC down our throats per usual

>>30131511
Thats redundant though, daybreak is literally just another word for dawn.

>>30131540
Like others have said, she helped turn it back on after she broke it, so it's not too far fetched that it can booty call her.

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>>30131511
That's a SHIT name.
You think a lopsided mirror of Nightmare Moon's name the best option? It's uncreative as hell.
I bet you would have like Nightmare Sun or Nightmare Noon or some second grade half baked shit like that.

>>30127514
Does the pineapple thing work on pussy juice just like how it works on cum?

>>30129409
What if she just replaces Twilight's place instead of being an addition? I mean it's not like the Elements call Celestia even though she used them in the past.

>>30131548
Trixie made it disappear, so it'll call her to solve a friendship problem next!
your logic is fucking stupid

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>>30131540
I bet you're one of those guys that goes into a thread after each episode and REEEEEEEEEEs
when ever someone enjoyed it >>30131518
Yea ik but think about it they're sisters for Christ sake they're never going to always get along, and sometimes they need a reminder and that's part of what starlight did,

I hope they flesh out nightmare moon more, I'd love to actually feel for her (and other villains) like we do with for example death Vader, like Luna could have reasons we sympathize with for doing what she did

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>>30131462
Thanks anon. Now we all know.
Of all the 1300 posts of discussion, this is perhaps one of the most crucial points

>>30131555
Both of those names sound worse than Daybreak Dawn.
At least the name Daybreak Dawn isn't a blatant copy of Nightmare Moon while still keeping the two word thing.

>>30131583
Moving it isnt exactly the same as helping to turn it back on after you overloaded it.

>>30131558
Anything that works for penis fluid will likely work for vagina fluid, it's the same basic principle regarding your food intake and digestion.
Dairy = sour
Veg = bitter
Sugar = sweet
Or at least i think that's how it goes.

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Why didn't they keep this name and glorious design?

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>>30131572
That's partially what I'm fearful of, but I don't know I'm pretty sure they're well aware of the uproar that would cause

I'd still watch the show either way (I'm autistically devoted to this) I'm hoping they don't replace twilight though because there still is some development between the 6 and starlight

And the map doesn't call celestia or Luna the tree does, that's why celestia put the elements back in the tree when she was done with them and why the tree has their cutie marks

>>30131628
Because nightmares have nothing to do with the day

>>30131602
I liked the episode EXCEPT for Starlight's part
Twilight should have been the one or even just have the sisters blow up at each other and they bet on who could do the other job better, then THEY switch their CMs
they literally have that kind of power
but no, Jim had to shove Starlight into an ep that could have been fantastic without her in it

she was NOT NEEDED AT ALL

>>30131643
You're not very smart, are you? Nightmares not always related to dreams.

>>30131654
Uuuuh anon?

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>>30131650
My god man you are salty about starlight aren't you?

You really think the princess's s have the impulse to do that to each other? You really think twilight wouldn't be incredibly biased toward celestia?

Starlight was sent because she's the only one who wasn't really familiar with the two and has the lack of impulse control to go with what she thinks is right

(Which is an explanation for the communism thing other than that backstory we saw)

Starlight helped and she isn't all
That bad, stop finding reasons to complain

>>30131690
I can't hear you over the sounds of you sucking Vogel's cock

>>30131690

She is bad, because instead of using "friendship," (aka psychology) she just did what she ALWAYS does and used mind-control/cutie mark magic, showing that this current crop of writers doesn't know what friendship is.

For fuck's sake, the COMIC did it better.

>>30131701
I'd have to disagree with you about the comic doing it better.
At least in the show they didn't act as malicious towards each other.

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>Celestia will never make you delicious decorative pancakes in the morning for you

>>30127514
This episode was BULLSHIT. TOP TIER BULLSHIT.

>>30131650
>NOT NEEDED AT ALL
you could say that for any pony because any pony can be written to find a way to solve the lesson. You just don't like Starlight. If Twilight was the one, someone who hated Twilight could post exactly what you just posted and it would be just as (in)valid.

They went out of their way throughout the entire episode to tell the viewer why Twilight was decided to not be suited for the job and you're still crying Twilight. You're just as annoying as the people who cried about Twilight being a mary sue and not needing to be in any episodes for years

>>30131734
Or has an DONUTSTEEL opossum pet shove in every panel. They're both bad

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>>30131701
I agree on the part that she needs to be fleshed out a bit more, perhaps knowing when to use the cutiemark magic or mind control? If she can get a better handle on the 2 which seem to be her strong suits there can be some interesting scenarios

I agree on that she should have learned by now, but idk, maybe the map sent her because she's the only one to autistically sperg out like that, I mean I dunno there's shit I've had to re-learn every now and then

>>30131700
That's not very freindshiply of you anon

>>30131701
except they address and make a point of distinguishing it from earlier attempts to better explain what the lesson she is learning about magic is. I mean for fuck's sake, at least watch the episode. They write dialogue/scenes for a reason. They convey information.

>>30131764
>That's not very freindshiply of you anon
neither is Starlight Glimmer, yet you cucks keep sucking her horn non stop for her literally doing nothing but fucking ponies over

>>30131764
It sent her because she was the only unicorn who would be willing to take such a risk, they even say at the end of the episode.
I really don't think she has ever learned not to use magic to solve her problems, the morals of all bottled up and ELTSD were both supposed to teach a lesson about her motive to use magic, not the magic itself because the morals are supposed to apply to real life.

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>>30131786
>>30131757
>>30131700
>>30131701
Why do pessimistic fags always come at the end of threads like this where people are enjoying themselves and having discussion

Hmmm it's almost like you don't even watch the episode and come to these threads as they close purely because you're so vain you can't let people end on a positive note, you have to voice your shitty opinion just because your waifu gets less screen time because of
>muh writers
And no you don't stop with just bitching about one episode No sir you do this exact same shit for every episode
>no one deserves to be happy REEE

>>30131786
I think you might need to find another show to watch. This one seems to be making you irrationally angry.