Starlight Glimmer is a bad character.

Glimmer... This post-redemption Glimmer? Take away her friendship with Trixie, her edgy best friend there to make her look better. Take away the headcanons her fans have invented for her, like the belief that she was bullied by her family or hometown for not being good enough once Sunburst was gone, or that she loves Moths because they remind her of herself: "Unloved by most but beautiful in its own way". (Christ, I could barely type that dreck without throwing up) Take away her acts as a villain. Focus on what she is, right now. What is she, besides a second-rate bootleg Sunset Shimmer? Say what you will about what an idiot she was in the clusterfuck that was the first film, back when she was a villain, and feel free to miss some more points while you're at it. We're talking about post-redemption Shimmer, and how she relates to post-redemption Glimglam. Shimmer got scenes where she struggled to earn redemption, got bullied by people that didn't forgive her, earned their forgiveness, etc. Glimmer was instantly given forgiveness, brainwashed her friends when their free thought and better ideas triggered her, was given forgiveness again, and then complained to Trixie that not everypony immediately forgave her for being the worst criminal currently known to Ponykind, arguably bar Tirek. In Pony Humans: Camp Superhero Edition, Shimmer encouraged Twilight and had more than one scene where she displayed empathy and likability. What positive traits has Glimmer shown, besides the occasional scene where she akwardly fucks up something obvious like "Don't run away from an awkward situation like you just shot someone" or "Don't use brainwashing spells on your friends", endearing her to her socially-retarded potentially-mentally-retarded fantards?

Lauren Faust designed the original Mane Six to, in her words, "Represent the different ways that one can be feminine", and she wanted each one to be a good role model in their own way. I'm pretty sure being a sociopathic cult leader that feels no remorse for your crimes unless prompted by the reactions of those you want to forgive you... is not what Lauren Faust would consider a good role model. Feel free to say "Well she was forgiven for all crimes, so that means she represents forgiveness and is a role model that says forgiveness is good". You'll look retarded, sure, but you'll also look retarded. Feel free to say "Lauren Faust doesn't run this show any more. This is Vogel and Jim 'Fuck the bronies, we make this show for little girls' Miller's show, deal with it! If they think it's good enough, so do I". You'll look retarded, sure, but you'll also look retarded. Feel free to say "You don't like Glimmer so you aren't qualified to talk about Glimmer". You'll look retarded, sure, but you'll also look retarded.

But of course, triggered glimglam fans, bless your heart, feel free to point and laugh at the arguments you can't refute. Show me your best /b/-tier damage control posts. Go on. Type laughter, and call your reaction to my post an argument against it. Put on your stoner voice and claim I'm thinking too hard about "A dumb pony show", while pretending the show was never once more than that. Tell me how many views the front page of our porn site or "Official" blog gets every day, those statistics are relevant, right? Tell me the childish Glimglam fans and their tendency to lash out at critics isn't driving people away. Tell yourself those you throw excrement at should have thicker skin and more tolerance for your shit, displaying self-absorption on a whole new level! Tell me I'm "Over-analyzing" a kid's show by critiquing an episode you want to like. Tell me I totally didn't make you cry, so there! Tell me you're crying, and I should feel bad for you. Tell me that if I don't like your waifu, it means I get triggered upon seeing her. Autistically screech at me how hard you believe my review is "Autistic screeching". Project onto me. Strawman me. Tell me I'm unfairly taking away your bad argument cards before you can use them, and ask how you can possibly make an argument now. Tell me I'm treating my opinions like they're facts by stating my opinions and backing them up with logical arguments. Go "Hurr durr that's too much for me to read". Tell me I'm not a real brony because real bronies mindlessly love all your waifus. Hell, I've only been in this fandom since the start of S2, what do I know?

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Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu.

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Quality thread op

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I'm definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye's spinach. I'm talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.

>>30020585
>Go "Hurr durr that's too much for me to read".

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Well, you're half right. I did copypaste this.

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>obvious redditor

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>>30020570
>bringing not canon barbie shit into pony discussion
Dropped lmao

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This copy-pasta is shit. Step up your meme game m8.

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>>30020643
>Not realizing post-S3 is literal fanfiction
>Failing to understand the point I made so clearly, a monkey could have understood it

You didn't drop it, you failed to hold it.

>>30020565
>terrible backstory and rushed redemption
Agreed.

>power to fight alicorn
It was shown multiple times that alicorns aren't extremely powerful. If Starlight dedicated her life to magic, just like Twilight did, it's at least plausible that they could fight as equals (for a few rounds at least).

>take away Trixie
Boi, I'm trying to be reasonable here, but you're not making this easy. She's one of the more entertaining ponies on the show.

>instantly forgiven
It was rushed, obviously, but Starlight's past is being reminded all the time. Ponies gave her second chance, but they didn't forget. Twilight didn't want her to be friends with Trixie for a reason.

>bad role model
True, but that doesn't make her a bad character. Many people enjoy seeing her sociopathic tendencies and her struggles to overcome them. It's what makes her unique and interesting, as long as all her episodes won't be about her abuse of magic.

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this, a thousand times

but people don't care they just are on it for the memes the minority of /mlp/ or the fandom as a whole gives a shit about the show anymore

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>Shitterfags

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Godlike thread
Glimglompers blow the fuck out x9001
its not even copypasta, my god this is original content.
Im so god dam hard right now OP i love you

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>Trixie
>edgy

>>30020735
you kidding me?
literly first episode she was going to do a hero in front of her audience

fucking nigger

Glimmer rekt

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glimshits cant even defend against this

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Tl;dr

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>implying glimmerfriends are even going to read it

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outstanding autism

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>cant even read

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>actually reading all that shit
Looks like you're the real loser here

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>>30020565
I cordially disagree, yet am clearly not nearly as invested in the topic as yourself.
Have a boop for effort.

Starlight Glimmer actually still suffers from the problems that made her go crazy, Sunset Shimmer does not.

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That's what makes Glimmy's character interesting.

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>>30021135
That problem is that shes a shit character

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>learning a lesson, doing the same mistake later
that makes her a bad character.
In fact i like her, but as an occasional secondary character, not as the new main character.

What even is the appeal of Glimmer?

>op explicitly says that glimmerniggers won't even bother to read his wall of text and shitpost since no argument can defend such a shit character
>glimmerniggers behave exactly as op said they would
Like clockwork, stay classy glimmershits

10/10 OP, only thing you forgot was her magic emotion clouds that will likely never come up again.

>>30020643
Lazy writing is lazy regardless of pone.

Well, you're wrong.

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I'm going to attempt to have fun here and contribute to the conversation if there is any to be had.

Let's go at this point by point, old school Youtube talking head style

>Starlight Glimmer is a bad character.
I disagree, let's see if you can change my mind though.
>I could write a few thousand words on Glimmer as a villain
Irrelevant
>but the issue isn't what a dumb villain Starlight is
Opinion, but you're welcome to it
>and how her terrible backstory turned what could have been a great villain into a bad joke almost as much as a badly-written and rushed redemption removed her reason to exist.
That's a lot to unpack, but I'll say that I find that Starlight's backstory clearly defines her character motivations as a villain and does so realistically. It might not be the most exciting or interesting backstory, but becoming jaded and subsequently obsessed by certain things due to the loss of a close personal friend due to circumstances outside of your control is something I've seen more than once in the real world. So I see nothing wrong with it despite the fact that it isn't the most intricate thing in the world
> almost as much as a badly-written and rushed redemption removed her reason to exist.
Her redemption generally falls in line with her character motivations, you can call it rushed but that's as much opinion as my statment is, so it's whatever
>I could also write quite a bit about how stupid it is that she has the magical power to fight Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle to a standstill,

>>30021504
It is extremely uncommon to find men who can fight bears and live to tell the tale without suffering horrific injuries or death. However, despite the overwhelming natural advantage a bear has over a human, there are plenty of people who have fought bears and lived. Some of these people have even killed bears many times their size, and there are those amongst their number who claim to have done so without much effort. I find the concept of a powerful unicorn fighting a recently ascended alicorn to a standstill no more spectacular.
>the reserves to do this multiple times in a day,
See above
>the knowledge to create her own spells on the spot,
Again, I see no issue with this. I know many engineers who can look at a novel problem and come up with a solution immediately by adapting and modifying solutions to other similar problems to the issue. Starlight isn’t the only Pony we’ve seen such things from, mind you. Twilight has done similar things several times before. If you want a specific refrence, “Bats” is the first thing that comes to mind.
>and so on when Twilight's supposed to be the Embodiment of the Element of Magic,
So because one person is the embodiment of something automatically means that other’s can’t poses a high degree of technical skill in that subject? I’m just going to disregard that before I go on my own rant.
> a student of Princess Celestia,
Starburst was also a student of Celestia, and he’s shown to have very little technical skill when it comes to the application of magic
> the strongest Unicorn alive,
Citation needed, also you might need an asterisk on the unicorn part, bub
>etc
If you want to keep going I can too, I have nothing better to do today besides being spectacularly autistic. If you couldn’t already tell
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>Twilight had to face character challenges related to this. What are they worth if she's not the strongest,
So if someone faces and conquers a challenge related to something automatically means that they have to be the archetypal example of everything that’s even remotely related to that thing? So just because Fluttershy faced character challenges related to being brave and bold means that she should automatically be the bravest and boldest pony in all of Equestria? I’m not even sure if I’m reading this right, because I can’t sarcastically refute that without the refutation sounding like a strawman. Feel free to accuse me of that here and we can work it out later, senpai.
>or even anything remotely special
Do not say my waifu isn’t special, sir. You don’t want to go down that road. You think this is a wall of text?
>or even anything remotely special when compared to a pony
I’m not going to get into a conversation about the inherent value of the individual, because reading this I’m getting the feeling that it might go a touch over your head
>that can tear the Cutie Marks off multiple ponies like they're stickers,
What’s Starlight compared to a pony that can change a group of ponie’s into Swedish pixies?
>screw up the timeline multiple times in a day, without the changed timeline affecting herself, After exhaustive study and the novel utilization of a powerful artifact that was not available to previous forerunners in the study of time travel while also having access to all of their accumulated knowledge through the annals of history
>fight Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle to a standstill multiple times in a day,
Stop repeating yourself
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>brainwash the minds of five of the Mane Six in less than a few seconds,
What’s that compared to brainwashing an entire town in less time?
>move five billion times faster than the speed of light,
My memory is failing me here, I think you’re being hyperbolic now
>and slay fire demons with her magic burning katana- whoops, my eyes drifted to the feat list for the wrong Mary Sue.
Yep, nothing wrong with a little hyperbole
> Glimmer... This post-redemption Glimmer? Take away her friendship with Trixie,
Is this going to be one of those reductionist things where you take away something’s defining characteristics one by one to try to make an argument that that thing isn’t valid and then still miss the mark because you can’t into nuiance?
> her edgy best friend there to make her look better. Take away the headcanons her fans have invented for her, like the belief that she was bullied by her family or hometown for not being good enough once Sunburst was gone, or that she loves Moths because they remind her of herself: "Unloved by most but beautiful in its own way". (Christ, I could barely type that dreck without throwing up) Take away her acts as a villain. Focus on what she is, right now.
I am, but you seem to be ignoring a lot of her character
>What is she, besides a second-rate bootleg Sunset Shimmer?
An increasingly well-developed and, in my opinion, genuinely likeable character. I could get into the specifics, but I want to finish this first.
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>Say what you will about what an idiot she was in the clusterfuck that was the first film, back when she was a villain, and feel free to miss some more points while you're at it.
I actually had no qualms with villain Sunset, I’m just including this so I don’t accidentially lose my place here. There aren’t any paragraphs.
>We're talking about post-redemption Shimmer, and how she relates to post-redemption Glimglam.
Ok, lovely
>Shimmer got scenes where she struggled to earn redemption, got bullied by people that didn't forgive her, earned their forgiveness, etc.
And Glimmer got scenes where she struggled to accept her redemption and struggled to try to get over her past and struggled to cope with the fact that everyone else forgave her despite the fact that some part of her still hasn’t forgiven herself.
>Glimmer was instantly given forgiveness,
Did you watch the Season 5 closer?
>brainwashed her friends when their free thought and better ideas triggered her,
[Insert “I really like her mane” quip here]
>and then complained to Trixie that not everypony immediately forgave
Which is a strange thing to do considering everypony immediatley forgave her… Wait a minu—
>her for being the worst criminal currently known to Ponykind,
Discord, Sombra, Chrysalis, Tirek, I can go on.
>arguably bar Tirek.
Noted
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>In Pony Humans: Camp Superhero Edition, Shimmer encouraged Twilight and had more than one scene where she displayed empathy and likability.
In Pony ponies, Glimmer displayed scenes where she struggled with empathy and likability. You might say that makes her a shit character, because she has character flaws. Like being a perfect Marry Sue, apparently.
>What positive traits has Glimmer shown, besides the occasional scene where she akwardly fucks up something obvious like "Don't run away from an awkward situation like you just shot someone" or "Don't use brainwashing spells on your friends", endearing her to her socially-retarded potentially-mentally-retarded fantards?
There’s literally no way that I’m allowed to retort here without being called a “socially-retarded potentially-mentally-retarded fantard” is there? Fuck it, doing it anyway. She has drive and determination to better herself in order to make up for her troubled past. She knows that she fucked up, hard, and she knows that she has a lot of issues. However, she’s trying to work past those issues and make friends and generally live a normal life, as opposed to living out her days like some social pariah. When she puts her mind to it she can be very kind and considerate, not to mention very down to earth in spite of everything. Again, I can go on but I’m going to stop for the sake of brevity.
>Lauren Faust designed the original Mane Six to, in her words, "Represent the different ways that one can be feminine", and she wanted each one to be a good role model in their own way.
Why is this relevant?
>I'm pretty sure being a sociopathic cult leader that feels no remorse for your crimes unless prompted by the reactions of those you want to forgive you... is not what Lauren Faust would consider a good role model.
Why is this relevant? Also, there are quite a few instances where Starlight has shown remorse unprompted. Brevity
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>Feel free to say "Well she was forgiven for all crimes, so that means she represents forgiveness and is a role model that says forgiveness is good".
I’m going to say this once and move on. A character doesn’t need to be representative in the abstract to be a good character. Along the same vein they don’t need to follow everyone’s vision to be a good character.
>You'll look retarded, sure, but you'll also look retarded.
It’s a good thing that I’m not trying to say that she’s representative of anything besides her own individual character
>Feel free to say "Lauren Faust doesn't run this show any more. This is Vogel and Jim 'Fuck the bronies, we make this show for little girls' Miller's show, deal with it! If they think it's good enough, so do I".
The show wasn’t good because of Lauren Faust’s vision. It was good because it was well made. There are many people with great artistic vision who make shitty things. Lauren is simply a very creative person who served as the original font of inspiration for the show as we know it today. I don’t care who makes the show, it will continue to stand on it’s own merits. I don’t judge things based on who makes them, the same as I don’t judge arguments based on who makes them. If something is well made then it is self-evidently well made. This is not a hard concept.
>You'll look retarded, sure, but you'll also look retarded.
Straw everywhere

>>30021524
>Feel free to say "You don't like Glimmer so you aren't qualified to talk about Glimmer". You'll look retarded, sure, but you'll also look retarded.
I’ve already addressed this and I’m slowly drowning in this straw colossus
>But of course, triggered glimglam fans, bless your heart, feel free to point and laugh at the arguments you can't refute.
I laugh to keep from crying, senpai
>Show me your best /b/-tier damage control posts. Go on. Type laughter, and call your reaction to my post an argument against it.
You’ve covered your bases very well I see. Because you typed this out that means that anyone who responds to you automatically is retarded right? Because you said so before they had a chance to respond. Now, where have I seen this a thousand times before…
>Put on your stoner voice and claim I'm thinking too hard about "A dumb pony show", while pretending the show was never once more than that.
Honestly, I really don’t think you tried at all
>Tell me how many views the front page of our porn site or "Official" blog gets every day, those statistics are relevant, right?
I think I’m having an allergic reaction to all this unwashed straw.
>Tell me how many views the front page of our porn site or "Official" blog gets every day, those statistics are relevant, right?
ET TU BRUTE?
still clearly cont by the way

>>30021528
>Tell yourself those you throw excrement at should have thicker skin and more tolerance for your shit, displaying self-absorption on a whole new level!
This is starting to remind me of those experiments where they exposed silver backs to mirrors. You know the ones.
>Tell me I'm "Over-analyzing" a kid's show by critiquing an episode you want to like.
You can analyze it as much as you want. I won’t judge you. We’ve clearly established that I’m on a completely different spectrum of autisim than you are, so I wouldn’t have much room to talk if I wanted to shit on you for that man. I will say that I like the show because I genuinley enjoy it. Not because I “want to”
>Tell me I totally didn't make you cry, so there! Tell me you're crying, and I should feel bad for you.
You totally didn’t make me cry! I’m a big boy you big dumb meanie head!1! Seriously though, what even is this?
>Tell me that if I don't like your waifu, it means I get triggered upon seeing her.
That depends on how much the wings bug you, senpai
>Autistically screech at me how hard you believe my review is "Autistic screeching".
It writes itself
>Project onto me. Strawman me.
Kek
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>>30021531
>Tell me I'm unfairly taking away your bad argument cards before you can use them, and ask how you can possibly make an argument now.
Oh how I do love the game of, “If I say your argument is invalid then it’s invalid regardless of the logic behind it, card.”
>Tell me I'm treating my opinions like they're facts by stating my opinions and backing them up with logical arguments.
I never actually said that. At least I don’t think I did. Right?
>Go "Hurr durr that's too much for me to read".
Topkek
>Tell me I'm not a real brony because real bronies mindlessly love all your waifus.
Nah, you’re 100% a brony m8
>Hell, I've only been in this fandom since the start of S2, what do I know?
More than me, probably. I got here right at the end of Season 3 ^:)

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I was gonna respond to these too, then I realized that they were unrelated pasta, lol.

Ok, I think I've fulfilled the quota of autism for my entire tri-county area for the next millennium. Hope you guys enjoyed my autistic rant replying to OP's autistic rant.

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>>30021506
>extremely uncommon to fight a bear to death and win
Sure, but lets say the person who fought the bear to death did so because he was a hyper intelligent engineer who whipped up some macgyver shit on the spot and the bear is ALSO hyper intelligent and has been engineering for most of its life, then your stupid metaphor makes sense .
>So if someone faces and conquers a challenge related to something automatically means that they have to be the archetypal example of everything that’s even remotely related to that thing?
They're generally better at it then someone whos skill/knowledge and execution havent been tested multiple times because they get to have the experience of applying their talent , dillweed, you didnt read it right, you're an idiot.

>Is this going to be one of those reductionist things where you take away something’s defining characteristics
>trixie is glimmers defining characteristic
see pic related
I could get all autistic and go through your counterpoints in the same way you did but it feels like its not worth the bother at this point.

TL;DR : The thread

>>30021590
>Sure, but lets say the person who fought the bear to death did so because he was a hyper intelligent engineer who whipped up some macgyver shit on the spot and the bear is ALSO hyper intelligent and has been engineering for most of its life, then your stupid metaphor makes sense
So your saying my analogy is stupid because it doesn't take into account that Starlight and Twilight both have strong backgrounds in magic? Or that it was planned? Why would I needlessly complicate the analogy when the argument I was addressing was "How is it that X creature can possibly beat Y creature when Y creature should have a natural advantage"?
>They're generally better at it then someone whos skill/knowledge and execution havent been tested multiple times because they get to have the experience of applying their talent , dillweed, you didnt read it right, you're an idiot.
How do you know that Glimmer hasn't had her skill and knowledge tested, do you have a copy of her memoirs on hand? One of the things about Glimmer is that there is a large part of her history that's unknown to us. Essentially her entire adolescence is a blank spot as far as we are concerned. I think it would be quite reasonable to assume that she faced many of her own trials during that time and that it would be quite uncharitable to argue that she did not.
>trixie is glimmers defining characteristic
Yes, Anon, the friends you keep define you as much as you define them. I wasn't saying that Glimmer's friendships are her only defining characteristics. Far from it, I think she has a lot of defining characteristics. The people you interact with have lasting effects on you, and to describe someone while ignoring their interpersonal interactions would be ignoring a very large part of their character.
>I could get all autistic and go through your counterpoints in the same way you did but it feels like its not worth the bother at this point.
Y-you too

>>30021716
>Glimmer can be just as good as twilight, we dont know so dont question it
k
>glimmer has a lot of defining characteristics
She cant stop mind controlling ponies and she likes kites and has a victim complex, thats about all i can think of.

>>30021774
>>Glimmer can be just as good as twilight, we dont know so dont question it
Feel free to question it, in fact I encourage that kind of thing. I'm just saying that it would be quite outside the norm of the show to have a character who is highly skilled in the technical application of magic who isn't well studied in the technical application of magic, as we have had several examples of individuals in the show who have developed magical affinity through hard study and/or training. I see no reason that Glimmer should be any different in that regard, but again, I have no absolute proof that she isn't.

I'm simply saying that, given the show's history with this sort of thing, that I beleive it would be an extraordinary claim to say that she didn't challenge herself in the years we don't have access to, as well as to say that she wasn't challenged in other ways as well. That's just my opinion though, so feel free to disregard it.

>She cant stop mind controlling ponies and she likes kites and has a victim complex, thats about all i can think of.
Careful, you might hurt yourself.

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>>30021541
TL;DR

in one sentence
>glimmerfag trieng to reach for his catana to save his waifus honor

go fuck your self

>Starlight Glimmer is a bad character.
I disagree, let's see if you can change my mind though.
>I could write a few thousand words on Glimmer as a villain
Irrelevant
>but the issue isn't what a dumb villain Starlight is
Opinion, but you're welcome to it
answering to irrelevant stuff is just showing you can't refute his points

you just wanna make bigly posts to looks like you have an opinion and to seem smug about the whole deal

pathetic glimmerfag

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>>30022166
>glimmerfag trieng to reach for his catana to save his waifus honor
>tfw twifag
>answering to irrelevant stuff is just showing you can't refute his points
I actually do it so that I can't be accused of taking anything out of context, so that I don't lose my place, and so that I make sure that I'm considering everything they say over the course of their argument. The stuff I don't argue are non-argumentative things. For example, I say that the fact that they could write a few thousand words about villain Glimmer is irrelevant because it has no relevance here and even if it did there is literally no way I can dispute the claim. Even if it was relevant and I could dispute it, I wouldn't try to, simply because it would be a silly thing to argue about.
>you just wanna make bigly posts to looks like you have an opinion and to seem smug about the whole deal
Are you saying I don't have an opinion? Ok. Though in all sincerity what about that statment couldn't be applied to OP's statements?
>pathetic glimmerfag
>tfw twifag

>>30022208
> The stuff I don't argue are non-argumentative things. For example, I say that the fact that they could write a few thousand words about villain Glimmer is irrelevant because it has no relevance here and even if it did there is literally no way I can dispute the claim.
why would you answer it than?

to somehow think that taking some expressions out of some post and claim that this is to "prevent you from arguing out of context" is just ridicules and you should understand it

it's a waist of time

and yes you don't have an opinion IF you had one you would just refute his points with an counter argument
but you didn't
so you don't

call your self what ever you want you're still a deluded glimmerfag

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I think the worst part, and what's really quite telling, is how defensive Glimmerfags tend to be over their character.
Criticism of something you love is by no means a bad thing. People do not go out of their way to make Glimmer a bad character. They want good characters and they feel Glimmer is not one. Hence their complaints.
To which Glimmerfags respond with accusations that they don't love the show anymore, or just shitposting. To which I must ask, if you truly believe she's a good character, why get so defensive over her?

>>30022411
>if you truly believe she's a good character, why get so defensive over her?
Literally the same with almost everyones favorite character/waifu. Starlight is just far more polarized than any other main character at the moment

>>30022411
That's a pretty retarded argument which is mostly based on a strawman and generalisation. Shitposting, false flagging and insults are coming from both sides of the argumment. You have to be retardedly bias not to see this. People argue and try to defend their opinion because it's what the board is for - discussion. 'Critics' have the right to critic, 'glimmerfags' have the right not to agree with the critique provided. I don't see how this means they're being defensive, or how it's any different from any other group on the board.

>>30022558
It's not. If you want debate there's a way to be civil about it, but a lot of Glimmerfags err into the side of vitriol and shit throwing.
Not that they don't get shit thrown their way, of course, but that doesn't mean they have to get just as bad.

>>30022738
I don't understand what's your pretension is to be honest. The guy who is arguing in this very thread on the behalf of the glimmerfags seems to be pretty civil about it.
No fucking shit, it would be perfect, if all of us were too. But let's be honest it's never going to be the case with all the autists and false flaggers around. I just fail to understand why do you blame it solely on the glimmerfags

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>>30022779
Because glimfags, for the most part, are rationalising, ignoring or even praising the traits almost everybody else is saying are bad, pic fucking related.

For instance >>30021504 think's her backstory for becoming a villian is realistic.
Said backstory consisting of "Only friend recieved cutie mark before i did and moved away, so i decided cutie marks only cause problems and should be removed."
Postal service, asking Sunbursts family if she can go visit, etc, no matter how you shake it the guy just moved to another part of the country, he didnt fucking die or move to another country entirely.
He also thinks her redemption being rushed is just an opinion when it consists of "Twilight tells her to stop being a bitch, the mane6 decide to be her friend so she doesnt cause an apocolypse, cue song-montage."
He considers that season 5 closer to not be instanteous forgiveness.
This seems far too elaborate for the usual shitposters, so it's most likely the only glimmerfag bothered enough to actually reply to OP.

>>30022738
>>30023078

>says glimmerfans are vitriolic and shit flingers
>posts a screencap of a very passive agressive post

Ok then

>>30023078
>Because glimfags, for the most part, are rationalising, ignoring or even praising the traits almost everybody else is saying are bad
I need a full list of those traits you deem bad, otherwise I can't really say anything about this. Moreover you claim of 'all glimerfags do this, but most people do that' is absolutely baseless generalization and stinks of confirmation bias. But as I said I need to see the full list first. The pic you posted is highly unrelated to anything desu, I know people are butthurt, I know some of them think the Glimmer is the worst thing to happen to the show, I don't need a proof of that.

>For instance >>30021504 think's her backstory for becoming a villian is realistic.
It is, as the matter of fact, a realistic backstory, a shit and an anticlimactic one but realistic one indeed.
>He considers that season 5 closer to not be instanteous forgiveness.
It was an instant forgiveness, all right, not arguing here. It's not really clear to me why they chose this path. I do think it would've made a better story, if they had made mane 6 be cautious of her at first, and Starlight slowly gaining their trust. Probably the reason behind the decision was not to give Glimmer too much screen time right away, so that anons like the one in your pic wouldn't kill themselves, not making her too similar to Shimmer probably also played its role. But then again Luna's forgiveness was just as quick, plus it's mostly unrelated to Starlight as character at the end of the day in my opinion, unless we're to assume that we could get not a total 180 on her villainous self and her ideology, which I think would've been amazing, but then again kind of similar to what they did with DIscord.

>>30020631
>Phone poster
It all balances out

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>>30020565
seth is a stupid faggot and should go to bed

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This guy knows what's up.

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daily reminder

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>>30020565
It's okay seth, you're cool.
Also, Trixie is an okay pony.

>>30020565
Almost everything you wrote is true about the entire show

>>30020570
I agree with dwk on shim sham, they really are nothing alike you faggot

>>30021135
Yeah, I'm glad Glimmer hasn't become a boring mary sue like Sunset. Glimmer still has room to grow and lessons to learn. Which is probably why she's bumping Shimmer off as the focus character in the EQG special.

>>30022411
>if you truly believe she's a good character, why get so defensive over her?
You must be new here.

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