Outer Hayven, the /mlp/ Equestrian Frontier Colony

>>29987421
First for don't leave the walls or demons will eat you

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Melee weapons are more honorable than guns

>>29987431
Second for watching out for griff spies.

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>>29987443
Third for killing zebras

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>>29987435

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>>29987452
Sixth for you guys better have attended pony church this Sunday

>>29987542
Seventh for when are we going to genocide the natives?

so? how can i play with you guys?

and how good are the chances to creat a Israel like state and slowly subvert the Equestrian crown?

>>29987619
>so? how can i play with you guys?
Just join the discord, make an intro green and a pony design, and have fun
>and how good are the chances to creat a Israel like state and slowly subvert the Equestrian crown?
Right now it's looking more like 'nam situation if we revolt against Equestria

>>29987633
Forgot to take my name off, fuck

>>29987633
being honest here
never particepated inthat kind of autism. what is expected to be in that "introduction"?

>>29987657
Not much. Most people just made a quick, "Ended up in some town as a horse, now I've been dragged to some backwater hamlet by the authorities." Bonus points for including what your pony looks like.

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>When you reach for the skies
>Yet your fingers go by,
>Slipping gestures of maven,
>"Heaven?"
>"... o n e d a y
> y o u w i l l f l - -

- - -

>"Arr-rrrival in 5 minutes, fillies and gentlecolts~!"
>The raucous sledgehammer of reality striking through the wall of idyll.
>Heart shooting forth in a gallop-of-a-wild-race against your eyelids, accompanied by a not so cheerful choir of groans,
>"Your new frontier awaits!"
>Quieter? Quieter would be nice.
"It sure does, Mr. Stern, it sure doe--"
>The yawn escapes through your smile, just enough to form a silly grimace
"Just.. a little bit--?"
>You tiredly motion around the corner of your lips
>"Oh! Khe-he-he! Pardon me.", the mustache bearing stallion in a silly uniform cleared his voice,
>"Everyone's gathering at the bow.", he takes a step back through the cabin's door and beckons your group outside
"Oh-kay!"
>You get off the couch-pillow, grasping a little paperbag of belongings that you've mustered to acquire over the course of last week, and with a- "Off you go.", step out of the cabin.

- - -

>The air outside was as damp as it was in the cabin, but unpleasant circumstances aside, a lush world of colors waited our gaze right there!
>...
>Who could have thought that this would be it.
>Last time you've checked it was just a huge dome-of-a-exhibit filled with plants, trees, and lively critters.
>Back then it felt like you were taking a sauna.
>Now?
>Soaked. Suffocating. No better. It will definitely take some time to adjust.
>It wasn't helpin
>At least the air in the workshop back home wasn't as wet as this ocean of sweat and vegetation.
>And hooves.
>Hooves.
>These weren't helping.
>They've said the embassy was just up ahead, but so far it was all wet dust clumping over fur, huffs-and-puffs of others, the sun...
>Lets hope that the town's better on the paper than it was described.
>There's earth to strike and work to be done.
>>... or so they've told.

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I tried writing a greentext and it ended up being longer than I expected. Here it is.

https://pastebin.com/Wv7ffDNJ

>Decided to go out and explore a little more today
>But not just the surroundings or anything, but also see what kind of wild life we have!
>I know, i heard about that...demon thing or whatever but i'm sure theres not just things out to kill us
>Explore for a good bit until i reach a small river coming from inland
>Maybe i'll find some useful thing if i follow the water
>After about...30 minutes? Hell, its hard to tell time when you don't have any way of seeing the time of day...
>Lets just say a good bit
>Find what seems to be a lake. Its mostly covered with thick trees so the sun barely shines here
>Yet it feel pretty peaceful. Even saw some birds and other wildlife too. Thankfully nothing dangerous
>Maybe i'll come back here with my fishing gear, see if i can catch anything

>>29987421 Repost
Some folks think that the day planner idea of earning bits and stat increases shouldn't be done. Mostly in the direction of the stats increasing as it would lead to long time players having a leg up over new players which i think is rather silly since you would expect new people to not be as good at stuff the veterens have been doing before.

That issue and the fact that we need to fully discuss this idea first before implementing it was heavily mentioned as well. There was also alot of talk about using the Kingmaker system, or at least parts of it that fit with our little game here instead of making the whole game Kingmaker the Thread/Game. IIRC most people had an issue with the roles and the rulership system that was put in place. For an idea of what the roles are and what they do see below.

In Kingmaker if you don't have someone to fill certain roles then the kingdom as awhole is hit by penalties for vacancy

Ruler "A kingdom without a ruler cannot claim new hexes, create farmlands, build roads, or purchase city districts.
Increase Unrest by 4 during each Upkeep phase in which the kingdom has no ruler."
Councilor Decrease Loyalty by 2; the kingdom cannot gain benefits from festivals. Increase Unrest by 1 during each Upkeep phase in which the kingdom has no Councilor.
General Decrease Stability by 4.
Grand Diplomat Decrease Stability by 2; the kingdom cannot issue Promotion Edicts.
High Preist Decrease Stability and Loyalty by 2. Increase Unrest by 1 during each Upkeep phase in which the kingdom has no High Priest.
Magister Decrease Economy by 4
Marshal Decrease Economy by 4
Party Planner A kingdom without a Party Planner suffers no vacancy penalty.
Spymaster "Reduce Economy by 4 because of out-of-control
crime. Increase Unrest by 1 during each Upkeep phase in which
the kingdom has no Spymaster."
Treasurer Reduce Economy by 4; the kingdom cannot collect taxes.
Warden Reduce Loyalty by 4 and Stability by 2.

>>29988707
I saw before the thread went down that people wanted to aim for more of a council instead of a bunch of rulers over everyone else? Would the titles listed above still make sense then as I personally thought that having some incentive to grow into more towns than just the one singular town would have been kinda great. After all you take a hop over to /qst/ they have like half their page filled with civ threads all the time.

As for NPC's who manage the roles I feel like we should most defitly fill them out a bit so we can get a good grasp on how the town is being handled. I have a few options right now actually.

Feather Quill - Earth Pony mare who was shipped down with the rest of us to help take in the various demands and needs that we need and is generally in charge of sending out those exotic orders that we don't have in town. Kind, polite and even tempered Feather Quill tries her best with the short amount of time that she can dedicate to the new ponies who arrived in her homeland.

For her I'd say she would fit the counciler role or something like that fills the will of the people since she has to deal with our autistic bunch of fools all the time.

There was one other fellow that I had in the running for holding a title until our player base manages to replace him. Strong Ton, a pegasus stallion that works as a Royal Guard of the Two Sisters. Mostly works as head of security for the embassy we have in our little township has been stressed with the recent crimes that have been going around the town [mainly the attempted rapes. In addition to two murders down by a infected pony with Timberwolf venom] I would say he could hold the title of Warden since he's mostly been in charge of the Embassy security instead of the town.

Of course I could make more, but I'd like to see what everyone else might have in mind.

>>29988707
I agree with you on the planner part. I think it makes perfect sense for older players to have more experience then new ones. If that wasn't the case, what would be the point of trying to progress if everyone is the same anyways?
Gotta make yourself stand out from the crowd somehow

>>29988707
i think the day planner is great and makes perfect sense. join late and maybe you get handed a few points based on background but arent fully brought up to speed compared to old players.

As for the Positions, my thoughts were this:

All Leadership positions form a council that they rule.

ones i think make sense(though names can be changed):

The Councilor ensures that the will of the citizenry is represented.
The Diplomat oversees international relations.
The High Priest guides the kingdom’s religious needs and growth.
The Magister guides a kingdom’s higher learning and magic.
The Marshal helps organize patrols and enforces justice in rural and wilderness regions
The Treasurer organizes tax collection, and manages the treasury.
The Warden leads the kingdom’s defense and city guards.


As for Kingdom maker, i like it alot, though the info for it was poorly given. theres some changes that can be made to make it less restricting, but it shouldn't be scrapped or have no consequences.

The economy needs a full rework though.

>>29988817
Whatever you do, don't make curi the treasurer if you all want gold in them chests

So, quick question, how the fuck do you guys plan on avoiding the drama of previous games? What's to prevent some of the old faggots from doing the old song and dance routine again?

Not to say that this will fail, but there's a track record here.

>>29988824
it would help if someone explained more.

all ive been told is "It just lasted long enough that people thought it was past time for the end game."

and two snipets about "Someone whining til they got their way," and "some people abusing their positions of power."

>>29988823
Cury can stay in her swamp and leave us alone.

Make sure to link to the previous threads, guys. Don't want to lose that info. Maybe we should have a doc with links to all the old threads for archival purposes.

>>29988834

There's numerous reasons, and each writer had their own issues with the previous game. From things as small as dice rolling to things as large as wanting to rip out the entire concept and replace it with a 5 man adventure on a boat.

>>29988843
archiving past threads is a good idea yes.

>>29988855
thats...well i can see how that would cause problems yes.

i suggest we then hammer the games base out quickly and then not let it budge, though ive always liked letting different GMs do their own thing within reason.

>The only zebra on the census sheet is kill
Fucking hell guys, at least try to hide it

>>29988923
:v)

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>>29988923
I'm not saying we should gas all the ziggers, but....

>>29988903

Best advice I can give is don't let people get a position of content creation power without actually creating any content. Don't let people GM Big things before doing small things first and for the love of god, No big story arcs that hinge on a character being functional the entire time.

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>>29988903
>i suggest we then hammer the games base out quickly
Awesome!
So things we need are
>Layout of the town
>What everyone gets when they enter
>Decide currency and how much each person gets if any.
>Banks, yes or no.
>What all buildings are in town, and what they hold
>Jobs. How do they work?
>Houses. Yes or no. I keep getting mixed answers here and so far everyone is in tents. Is this an actual town we are in or empty land with buildings?
>If we don't have houses, how should we go about building them?
>If we do have tents, where the hell do I go to keep all the stuff I' working on? I plan to chop some trees down and use the wood to make things. Can't exactly store it in a tent.
>Compile all this information and post it at the beginning of the thread so that newcomers know what to do instead of asking the same question in the discord 20 times over like I do.

>>29988967
arent all of those mildly common sense?

>>29988987
>Layout of the town
i say stick to the squares like we have them, makes sense to me as its a very functional way to make a town.

>What everyone gets when they enter.
this does need to be more better said, as everyones has just assumed 50 Bronze Bits, a Saddlebag, and basically anything else.

i technically gave myself 'more' ill admit but with backstory somewhat giving reason, which i dont see any problem with so long as its nothing OP.

>Decide currency and how much each person gets if any.
so far it seems kinda random, with currency Being Bronze bits -> Silver bits -> Gold bits, but with no one agreeing on what anything should cost or the conversion rates.

>Banks, yes or no.
if we build one.

>What all buildings are in town, and what they hold.
were using the kingdom builder to a degree, the towns already somewhat been built.

>Jobs. How do they work?
so far its a free for all for common jobs, with leadership positions still being talked about.

>Houses. Yes or no. I keep getting mixed answers here and so far everyone is in tents. Is this an actual town we are in or empty land with buildings?
this confuses me too, as the descriptions didnt say how many ponies can fit in each housing district, so i assumed we had enough for all to be living in houses.

>If we don't have houses, how should we go about building them?
like ive said, i like the Kingdom builder system overall, though it needs some tweaks. we also have so far already used it and would basically have to start over if we fully stop, which i dont tihnk anyone wants to do.

>Compile all this information and post it at the beginning of the thread so that newcomers know what to do instead of asking the same question in the discord 20 times over like I do.
i agree.

>>29989019
wait, so like, everyone has a house? Or are there cramped ass housing complexes where everyone has to try and fit into?

>>29989019
Also, if we get bits, how can we spend them?

>>29989037
"A number of mid-sized houses for citizens. Houses serve as prerequisites for many other buildings. The first house you build during any Improvement Phase does not count against the total number of buildings you can build during the phase. "

I guess each one is a small apartment like building with small apartments.

>>29989040
so far its been up to GMs to decide what shops have, or i THINK a few people have asked the overall game runners. (Rain.D and Sammer i think)? for what they can order.

but its kinda up in the air right now.

>>29989019
>>29988987
Well we can just have the basic kit you start out with be the thing you said there with something along the lines of maybe 10 feet of rope, a pick ax that can turn into a shovel if needed and that might be it.

For currency there was some misunderstandings there but last I checked it was 10 coppers to a silver, 10 silvers to a gold. If we need to get back to that we can.

Banks are a thing I think in the kingmaker build list that or its under guild hall.

>What buildings we have
2 mills, 2 farms, 1 smithy and 3 blocks of housing units for middle class folks. Which speaking of should have all been completed and we all been living in, but because of this two week delay for muh rp we can't just say they sprout up over night and just enjoy the houses.

>Jobs
Same, free for all if it's something that requires work then it's do able. Though certain buildings do allow for certain jobs, such as the blacksmith being one since we have a smithy to being a farmer or miller at the mills.

Houses are at this point completed because I am not having us do the real life equaling game life. Houses should be done at least enough for our first amount of population that we have going on here. More growth will come in time I suppose since some buildings require housing units to even be built.

>Compiling
What all are the 20 questions everyone needs to know I could work on that.

>>29989068
>currency

my bet is 50 Bronze-> 1 Silver, 20 Silver -> 1 Gold

100 for 1 was too high but i feel like 10 for 1 is just mildly too low.

>>29989037
>>29989040
Essentially yes. Houses are done, they are middle class tier houses which would include a standard kitchen, bedroom and storage room set up with bathroom as well. Granted if you want running water we'll need to work on that at some point or another so far it's mostly been outhouses and the like.

As for bits you can spend them just give me a Pm or Sameer as well. However depending on the item it might cost more, that being said because we have a smithy you can look up any standard DnD equipment list for an idea on price for weapons. That being said I think we might have to hash out what basic simple system is still needed for characters because mainly I've been using the day planner as a way to let people not only earn bits, but also grind skills to slowly evolve their character based on what they've done.

That being said I had some balance issues I wanted to discuss. Since people want adventures and have some pretty good rewards out of them for their gains in those adventures would having them be doubled what you would earn by working that same day be good?

As it is right now in teh Dayplanner the set up goes like this.

Morning:
Afternoon:
Evening:

Each of those you describe something simple about what you did, if you worked at the farm for example you'd gain some bits and gain some endurance. If you did that all day by the end of if you'd have somewhere around a gold bit and three points to your endurance score to the first tier which would allow you to have a +1 to any rolls involving hard work and staying awake after being hit really hard.

Now with an adventure I was thinking depening on what occured it would be worth double the amount of points earned. I was thinking either 6 because you used those skills in combat or in the field or just 2 because it would depend on how much time in game you spent on your quest.

Thoughts?

>>29989089
Maybe not as high as that? Thing is that I was basing your rate of pay as not being literal pennies like I had thought at first to something that was still liveable. That reminds me I was wondering if there would be a taxation fee you'd have to pay that is basically you just use for living expenses and the whole tax thing to keep the kingdom/town running. Maybe do it on a bi weekly or monthly type thing have x amount of cash laying around or something or else go into debt labor till you work it off or something... though that might get too into it.

>>29989137
25 Bronze -> 1 Silver, 10 Silver ->1 Gold maybe?

>>29989114
i was going to do a every 2/10 points gives you a +1 to my role, and while i dont think any GM should ignore the stats and i like the way you give them out, i think it could be left to interpretation on how to use them.

>>29989164
actually id prefer 50 Bronze-> 1 Silver, 10 Silver-> 1 Gold.

also still think either way 2 Gold for a dagger is insane, might want to just try and ask people to be reasonable but let them list it?

i haven't looked at DnD in so long im not even sure how it lists equipment though.

>>29989164
the currency here looks good to me

>>29989202
gold isn't supposed to be something cheap either. i think its reasonable. We're not really well paid to be honest

>Hasn't been that eventful for Key Tapper the past few days. Wake up, work in the mill, go back home. Some new ponies showed up, but nothing else particularly cool happened.
>Key walks into the embassy to ask if his long awaited typewriter he ordered has arrived. He's been there every day since he ordered it, but so far... nothing.
>He trots up to the counter.
"Hey, Key."
>"Hi! Did it come in today?"
"Yeah, actually."
>"Aw, OK thanks anyw--... wait, huh?"
>The pony behind the desk lifts up a package addressed to Key Tapper.
>Key grins and hops in place with excitement.
"Oh right, there's another one for you."
>The desk pony brings up another smaller package and places it on top of the bigger one.
>"Really? But I didn't order anything else..."
"This is from the same address. Seems like they sent you something extra."
>Key's smile grows wider as he wasn't expecting TWO packages!
>"Thanks so much!" Key tells the pony before lifting the packages with his magic onto his back.
>After a short walk back to his shanty, Key frantically tears away the packaging and opens the bigger box. Inside is Key's long sought typewriter... with two giant keys on it. How in the... what, am I typing in binary? he thinks to himself.
>Key removes the typewriter from the box and places it on his small end table, deciding to try and figure it out later. He glances over at the other package and opens it without the same fervor as before.
>Inside the package is a gray newsie styled hat. And as he inspects it further... he sees it has a small hole in just the right spot for his horn!
>But... why would the typewriter company send him such a thing? Key magics the hat onto his head, being careful to get his horn through the hole. Seeing as there's not a mirror in his shack, he decides to go and see his good buddy Northern Lights and see if he has one to see how his new lid looks.

>>29989202
I could agree to this, so essentially people get paid roughly half a silver to a silver for their work depending on whats needed in our town more or less. The jobs that I figured would be having higher pay would be the ones in high demand so; Farmers, Construction, Resource Gathering, Medical, Guard etc etc

Which also explains why I've been kinda everywhere with the pay rates for the most part.

That being said here is the hodgepodge idea I had in mind for 'Character sheets'

Freeform in that you're able to literally say whatever you want on what you can do, only thing is there are some limits which will be discuessed later.

However in terms of effectiveness the abilities or stats follow a set amount of tiers. Each tier convey's a bonus to your roll up to a Master's level with Tier 5. Each tier costs more than the one before of course to represent the challenge in getting to that tier.

10 points T1, 20 points T2, 40 points T3, 80 points T4, 160 points T5.

Granted those numbers can be moved around a bit, but I felt like those work as a frame of reference. If you spent every waking hour in pursuit of say flying then you'd probably be able to reach that goal in 2 months of real life time, that being said in game time that would be something like a couple to five years since each turn of town building moves the game forward by a month.

As for the limits I just have basic gist of things in minds but they go something like this.
If it's spells; Unicorn only.
If it's cloud stuff; Griffons and pegasi Only
If it's related to mechanical skills or something to do with earth, stone, plant or animal; Earth pony.

The skill has to be within reason when you come up with it, also every Gm has it in their right to reject that skill if they feel like it doesn't fit their adventure. [This one I think needs more review, because I don't want people to get dicked because the Gm didn't check people's sheets]

Thoughts so far?

>>29989278
overall i like it, and i agree and understand the need for progression but at the same time maybe a more softer transition to being better somehow could be found, as in reality(usually) you dont just click and suddenly are better at something, so 10 points then suddenly poof bonus feels alot more clunky then a more gradual progression somehow.

also Griffons arent shown to be able to do cloud stuff, maybe just instead they have slight natural agility or something? only creature naturally built to be a hunter/fighter on the list.

>>29989309
i will mention i thought 10 was a firm limit, hence my 2/10= +1 idea.

As technically an upper limit makes perfect sense, but also shouldn't be insanely over powered in its own(Hence it not being a 1 for 1 ratio.)

maybe a lsightly more grdual growth makes sense?

+1 at 5, +2 at 10-15, +3 at 20-30? etc?

makes more sense too, as getting a small bonus makes sense to get early on, but becoming great and a bigger bonus takes much more work.

>>29989019
>i say stick to the squares like we have them, makes sense to me as its a very functional way to make a town
Where? What squares? I thought the OP pic was the image for AROUND the town, not in it?
>were using the kingdom builder to a degree, the towns already somewhat been built.
Pls post. I don't know what kingdom builder is or how it works.
>>29989114
Mentioning a farm, what's being grown right now?

>>29989341
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fyu7J_j3J_uOc75TPRxric7176I_t9LYNjjfrz9GeaM/edit#gid=550038035

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ltSbaXpEce5nMPofbu19HO3nNq7rrJMVb5Kxuvz8Mc/edit#gid=614552758

check the tabs at the bottom of these, town shit is in there somewhere.

at least ONE of these was posted earlier, though ill admit if you are not looking for the the tabs at the bottom might not be obvious.

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>>29989309
Gilda was able to sit on the clouds wasn't she? I remember her being able to do that much at least...

>Clunky Progression
In regards to that what if we had something like a soft scale that works within the tiers, so at 5 points you get that +1, then hitting the T1 at 10 wwas the +2, +3 at 15, +4 at 20 and +5 at 30 and so on?
>>29989326
Ah I see what you're doing here, something along those lines as well. Oh I had a thought what if in cases where you manage to hit a Tier, if it's realted to a stat at least, you manage to get some kind of ability to show case that. So being super tough at T1 in Endurance means you can push on if the dice are bad and let your reroll or something.

>>29989341
Here is the layout on the grid based system. As for the kingmaker it's a system that was found that had alot of good stuff in it for our town building needs at least.

https://mega.nz/#F!s8tzBATQ!xi4ySiPaVLvEp_Xt92RTvQ!N59DQDCA

Spoiler has the link to the Kingmaker, it's in the Rivers Run Red.pdf at pagge 56. It does involve using pathfinder characters for a lot of those bonuses from the leader positions however some feel like they just need to remove all that for some reason.

As for what's being grown it's rather abstracted, but right now one farm is doing food for the town as it grows while the other is producing cash crops to bring in wealth to the town.

>>29989385
>>29989390
Oh this was also included as well for helping keep track of your character's antics when you wanted to that is.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGlyUD6riHvVszow3W6h_9qZTU7XCyGSvJkhDJq6Flw/edit#gid=0

So
When do we conquista the land from the natives?
Also, where all the missionaries at?

>>29989385
holy shit you're right, I didn't even think to look at the bottom for tabs.

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>>29989437
>Also, where all the missionaries at?
Right here, baby.

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Here's a pastebin of a feelsy conversation between Griff McBeakface and Stray Shot.

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>>29989437
Actually once we get to town progression we can expand provided that a hex has already been cleared out of the natives and start to expand from there. Either in a new district of town or having a whole hex made up to bring in the money.

Hint: A hex devoted to farming results in 20 bp returned back. 1 bp is equal to 4k gold in total. Is very good for town yes.

>>29989712
Then we should obviously start accruing farming land, if there's that big a return on them. We could be an agricultural town initially and then progress into a different specialty after we've got some infrastructure in place

>>29989712
TH-THERES AN ACTUAL BENEFIT TO CONQUISTA?
TIME TO MAKE MY ANCESTORS PROUD

>>29989720
Well friendos this is a nation building kingdom building thing I was planning to do, so that means we could make a capital that is seven hexes large just for the town itself with another 4 hexes for farming or the like.

That being said if you wanted to spread our reach and power and break off from Equestria that could be possibly too afterall if we turn into our own nation we'd need a pretty good amount of people after all.

>>29989879
Fuck yeah, lets become a proper kingdom. We need our own monarchy

>>29989879
Speaking of which, how will we handle the discord based roleplay and the timeskips for nation building?

>>29989885
>Monarchy
I hope you violate my NAP one day so I can tac nuke you.

>>29989947
Nigga step the fuck back, aren't you some sort of holy man anyway

Why don't you want a holy monarchy

>>29989955
>Left my name on again
Shit, I'll never get used to namefagging.

>>29989891
Basically what has happened so far is that when we started we set up what we had to start for our first turn. Then we paused the town building portions for two weeks to allow everyone to have a chance to play their horse and get to know their fellow gravemates while things are being built from Turn 1.

That being said I am torn between doing a update for the town using reduced numbers to showcase the two weeks that have passed or just letting the next turn show the full month. The reason why for a full month is that in the Kingmaker it has each turn for the kingdom be done in monthly turns, so that whole needing to payback the Equestrians thing by the end of the year is saying by turn 12 we need to have some BP set aside to return it back, else we get increases to the debt and get fines for it.

Thats also a wonderful question that I would like to have posed for everyone here; What's better you think?

Tie Real Life time to Ingame Time and progress works like that
OR
2 weeks of Real Life time spent doing horse things while Ingame a month will have passed by the end of the 2 week period.
OR
Do the turns in thread and keep the thread for town managment while Discord things occur in various different sets of time to allow for everyone to do whatever.

Up to you all really, I just want to be able to use the bits of the system for what it's for and not have to tweak numbers all that much.

>>29988817
>>29988707
Alright so Discord is blowing up about this, just to clarify something, the position of Ruler is not literally saying that person is the only one who gets to decide on what gets built or what gets sold or even what the military gets to do. The positions listed here are essentially just the job titles that are used to fill our paperwork in game to get stuff done that the thread as a whole decides to do.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12869831/r
VOTE ON GOVERNMENT TYPE

>>29990181
Oi vey goyim...
That being said everyone seems to have an opinion of what type of government everyone should have for the town/kingdom that we are trying to build, vote here or if you want actually use teh thread for something.

On Another note here is a quick recap for Artistic Licence for any who want to join in.

>How much freedom do we have to just write our characters up? Like, can I greentext an entire storyline that winds up with me having some pretty neat loot from it?
You sure can, though be sure to not go too crazy with the ideas there. An extra item or two is fine, having some friends who know a guy is neat too, heck we had one dude who /walked/ from Equestria to here with a bunch of other people!
>Can me own writing substantially change the town via events or something?
Of course! After all events and conflicts cause wonderful story building events for characters and the town itself!
>If I GM a quest (which I might want to do), how much authority will I be given over what types of effects I can have on the world?
Well duh, after all that big ol' map is awfully empty a few good explorations through it would help find some handy resources if not hey at least that area of the map is ripe for colonization now!

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Posting this great art of Key Tapper by Compound before bed. Newsie hat is a huge improvement.

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Here is Quick for anyone that remembers the unfinished greentext!

>>29990339
>green
>Creative color
Pick one

>Green is not a creative color
Are you sure about this?

Nominate ponies for election that happens >soon!

>Quick wakes up to being carted along somewhere, his forelegs and hind legs tied together.
>A short time after he manages to loosen his bindings, sitting up and looking out of the window.
>He begins to think over what's happened, before the cart stops and he realizes the terrain outside has changed-he's looking at some sort of built up city, at least from what he can see.
>The door behind him opens.
"Hogtying him wasn't necessary, damn zebras.."
>A guard levitates Quick out of the cart, removing his bindings.
"Sorry about that.. some people will do anything for bits."
>Confused, Quick gets his bearings and tests out his new appendages a bit.
>From what he can tell, he's in some sort of big city-Canterlot, something in his mind tells him.
>He starts looking over his body in more detail, noticing he has a more effiminate frame-not to mention a horn-before the guard interrupts him.
"Hey, I know you're confused and all, but we've really got to get going."
>This guard is actually pretty reasonable, more than what Quick had expected.
>He gives a small nod, then follows the guard as he takes him into a nearby building.. some sort of embassy.
>The guard stands at the entrance and points to the front desk.
"Do what the mare says, and then you'll be put with all the others."
>Wait, there's other people like you?
>Guess you won't be so lonely here after all.
>You do what he says, stumbling to the front desk and almost falling over.
>Supressing a giggle, the mare says
"Alright, now if you're going to be able to stand could you please fill out this sheet?"
>You give a nod, and using your mouth (muzzle?) you fill out the sheet, and sometime during that the mare points out you have a horn.
>After correcting a few mistakes the mare points you over to a doorway.
"Head over there-that's where we're keeping all the others for now."
>You nod again and walk slowly over, starting to get a feel for your new body.

3/??

art of homily sermon screaming repent at random passerbys when?
Don't forget to do his feminine muzzle justice

>>29990087
i dunno, i mean i think having one of those position SHOULD give you minor say in what they do, if nothing else it means if something comes up related to that job you are expected to help with it(IC at least).

nothing like full control but either way thats what term limits and a separation of power via a council and such is for.

for instance, the Treasurer should be able to decide to give out a loan or finance a project or not, but then the council can out vote him perhaps, or simply not collect funds/hand them over to his department in protest.

...


i thought the last two were enough proof that this won't survive...


Why?


Why have you repeated history, Green?


Why?

So I think there needs to be a linkboard or a pastebin with all the urls in it, I keep having to ctrl+f the thread to find them.
Here's the ones I collected so far but I probably missed a couple.

Introduction and How to Make a Character
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VpOAJdPa3ZOP3wunHqnrh03Tdd4JmJ8msv_CUvJgH2E/edit

Setting Discussion?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GMU_w3GFj29X5cggylnr92VkatRYjuI6kp1J9XIbhn0/edit


Census and Town Data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fyu7J_j3J_uOc75TPRxric7176I_t9LYNjjfrz9GeaM/edit#gid=550038035

First Kingmaker Data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16BU4LZgjCM2Jpv24NbLm0MSARXM1at75p1JG7cPMO6g/edit#gid=0

Second Kingmaker Data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ltSbaXpEce5nMPofbu19HO3nNq7rrJMVb5Kxuvz8Mc/edit#gid=614552758

Daily Calendar that gives Stats
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGlyUD6riHvVszow3W6h_9qZTU7XCyGSvJkhDJq6Flw/edit#gid=0

Character Stats
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I8_YfyC9Ruj3H6sShvVOfgGdUUSMkmSOwS1d0sL6nQA/edit#gid=0

PNP System?
https://pastebin.com/QWnm141B


As you can see this is disorganized, and there should be an archive for the greentext writers who made things on pastebin too. At the very least it should be included in the thread opening.

>>29991565
Missed these strawpolls.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12869829/

http://www.strawpoll.me/12869831/

>>29991565
i agree, but things are apparently mildly messy right now.

>not having everything somewhat prepared before making the game.

>Looks at daily planner
>See ? skill point gained

>>29990555
Repent.

Government idea I have as of now:

the Council made up of:

-The Councilor ensures that the will of the citizenry is represented via Laws and Edicts.
-The Diplomat oversees international relations with outside forces.
-The Magister guides a kingdom’s higher learning and magic.
-The Marshal helps organize patrols and enforces justice Via the Militia.
-The Treasurer organizes tax collection, and manages the treasury, aswell as loans.
-The Warden leads the Cities defense and city guards, Ensuring its and its properties protection.

Each position has first say over its jurisdiction, however the Council may call to vote on the matter if at least three agree the decision of another needs to be questioned.

Each position is voted in via the vote of the people, up to 3 Terms in a row before they must wait 2 Terms to join the Council again.

A Term is 3 Months.

I'd like to address the way government is going to be handled. Personally I think that it should be a minor consideration for the game, not a focal point of it. Rather than having players populate the main branches of government, I think we should have government be sort of like an NPC that is controlled by the thread. It would be more interesting to have a government that runs automatically, without our intervention, that would be able to be used creatively by GMs and writefags. We'd be able to have more fun with the game, rather than slowly but surely turning this horse roleplay game into a going-to-work simulator with office (ooc) politics and all. Government and governing sounds fun at first in games, but it gets tiring really quickly.

The government should be able to be used by GMs and writefags for cool content. For instance, if a GM wanted to run a quest where the king gets assassinated, he could if he went to the thread and started up a strawpoll. If enough people thought it would be alright then the GM would be able to control the government characters and play out the scene in a quest. This way there's more creative freedom for GMs and writefags, and it doesn't require powergaming other's characters in order to do interesting things.

cont..

>>29992549

Another consideration is the amount of stress that playing government has OOC. You introduce political factions into the playerbase OOC that drive schisms and form sub-communities when you start having players that are substantially more important than others. If one player got to be king then that one player would be way more important OOC than another player. That isn't to say we all need to be equal or anything, far from it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't decide who gets to be important IC from an OOC standpoint. If someone is going to be an important character then it should be through their own contributions via writefagging or GMing or something, rather than whoever has the most friends OOC.

Also, since this is a game meant to be played for fun, we can have unrealistic leadership. We can actually have a benevolent dictator, or >working socialism/communism, or a god emperor. We aren't restrained to what is literally possible in terms of government, because this is a townbuilder -> quest based game. If we can write it well enough and it's interesting, then it flies! I think we could have much more fun playing a game like this rather than going fully autistic with spreadsheets and thrown together government systems to try and lead a group of people when we have next to no leadership experience at all

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>>29992549
>>29992555

All in all, I just want to be able to do cool things with this game. I don't want to be stuck having to wait on people getting online in order to do government shit in order to get all the necessary IC paperwork done in order to run a quest to go find a few council agreed upon berries that aren't too overly powered to be allowed into our neutered excuse of a fantasy game. I want this game to be able to not get bogged down in messy details that aren't any fun at all. Otherwise, what's the difference between this game and Second Life?

>>29992549
>>29992555
>>29992587
I disagree. some of the most fun ive ever had playing games were almost entirely government focused. it is all about how you implement players being in/part of the government.

furthermore me and others did not join solely for the RP elements, having been interested in the Town building and related elements such as running it.

Government and government roles do not have to be insanely in depth nor over encompassing but ignoring them or pushing them off onto NPC roles i dont want.

what you think and find fun is not the only thing people find fun. we already often have to wait on people for purely anyways, its almost inevitable thats its going to happen at times.

If you want to focus more on the Roleplay side then fine, but that shouldn't mean you get to crush and ignore or stop others from enjoying the town-building and Governmental side of things.

>>29992647
Players actually governing leads to OOC conflict which is never fun. You create imbalances in the playerbase that generate contempt, because not everyone can be the leaders of the town.

The townbuilding aspect of the game is an important one, however I think there's a disconnect with what I believe the townbuilding is and what you believe the townbuilding is. I was pretty sure the townbuilding aspect was going to be how we used the kingmaker system to design a town, and used quests and such to explore or develop the tiles around the town and fine tune what the town actually has going for it. That's, in my opinion, actually a game. However, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it seems like you want to include a much more involved political aspect to the game that determines how the town gets developed, rather than through questing and storytelling it comes from certain players getting to decide how things will run. Then you'll have OOC political factions and resentment developing.

I understand that you and some others joined for those particular aspects, but like you said, you aren't the only ones playing the game and need to take others into consideration. Have you considered how many others wouldn't find it fun to be ruled by other players in a direct sense?

>>29992690
never said direct ruling. also the town building has specific elements such as BP and the like the Players as a whole already decide how to spend, aswell as letting games shape what is around and part of the town.

and guess what? theres already going to be imbalances, and letting those that want to do govern isnt going to make a fuss OOC if everyone actually tries to act IC and we make sure Governing roles are not a nonnegotiable dictatorship with only minor game effects, allowing most of it to be a way for characters to interact with the world in a more over scoping way.

i guess we both have a different amount of trust and respect for people at least attempting to understand the difference between IC and OOC interactions. Curiosity and Compund are fucking bitches IC but OOC i think the people who play them are pretty cool, for instance. i dont let either thought influence the other. its really not that hard.

and ya know what? yes, i do want the Politics to matter, to effect things. not as an iron fist of un clenching non negotiable power or streamlining, but if my character is in charge of the treasury yeah, he should get a say in if one single other character wants to take out a 1,000 gb loan to build himself a new house on top of the deathworm pit. thats the towns resources being handed out and a believable, interactive world has both boundaries and believable, understandable reactions and interactions.

that doesnt mean everyone cant just say "Nah man let him get ate by deathworms." but it doesn't mean the position is worthless or has no merit, nor that it does not give the player in the position interesting options for interacting with the world IC.

No ones forcing anyone into a position if they dont want to take part in the politics more directly, furthermore most people seem to want a system of checks and balances where the leaders have limited terms and cant get in if other players dont want them in.

>>29992647
I'm just going to say that if this game is going to run longer than a month, if you make all the players who joined in the last week into political figures it's going to be a problem. Anyone new who joins won't be able to participate in the government and political elements by sheer virtue of not being around when the first votes went out.
You could have had good games before with the same premise, but I'm assuming your games weren't with complete strangers that's open to everyone to join even after the campaign starts. That's a big deal.

>>29992810
with people a knew? some yes, but all were open to strangers.

admittedly most weren't open to new people once started but a few we were able to find spots for later arrivals.

term limits and the like would help solve that and appears to be what people want anyways. you're NEVER going to not have some barriers to new people joining once a game gets past a certain point, its inevitable. yes you can lessen those barriers but cutting the fun down for those already a part hardly seems like the best way to do it either.

>>29992859
This general has been around a week and already there's incumbents for positions. A first come first serve game is fine, but there's no point in having a general if that will be the case.
There's still not an official system, the organization is all over the place, and there's an identity problem of what this general is supposed to be. A kingdom building game? A political sim? A freeform rp? A hexcrawl pnp? It's more pressing to answer these basic questions first instead of deciding a player is going to be God King.

You've already said your preference that you want your character to have one of the leadership roles. I have to suspect you're biased. While it may be fun for you, you might be better off playing a game intended from the beginning to have political elements included, rather than whatever this undecided mess is.

>>29992941
you're right, i cant say im unbiased, however im having fun without such a role and if i dont get one ahwell.

however I was lead to believe this was going to be a game with kingdom builder and political element, even if those were not the focus.

while i enjoy the story telling elements i wouldn't be here if those other elements were not put forth as part of the game. Biased yes, but no one ever isnt and i never tried to hide what i wanted nor what drew me into joining.

you're right we need to hammer out alot of important questions but those in charge seem to be trying but have not even agreed among themselves from the start what this was or to what degree to implement elements or how.

Im merely giving my opinion based off both what i want, what was advertised, what has been used so far, and what it appears others have suggested(though mostly on the discord).

also i see nothing wrong with it being around a week and people wanting to move forward with other elements of the game, be it positions or otherwise.

Instead the games somewhat unfolded into us trying to figure out what the game even actually is.

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Honestly, I think you guys should get the basics of the game down first before going into political shenanigans. I like the idea of having NPCs taking care of most things at first, and if someone wants to take up that role IC, then they are free to rally and do so. Or assassination. Whichever.

But do be aware that if players DO take up important roles IC, they will mostly likely need to be NEETs irl or have a lot of free time. One of the things that was an issue previous game, was important players IC not around for others players to interact with so that they can get things done.

For example, let's say a player wants to be the banker. They have control over the bank ic and issue out loans and such. Let's say that player goes on vacation for a week, gets caught up with school, or gets sick. Other players who want to take out loans, will have to wait until that person gets back, halting a lot of things for them.

Another example that actually happened, is court trials. All the council members had to be present for a trial, but due to time zones, life, and other irl issues, it was hell to get everyone together at the same time, thus making what SHPULD have been a fun courtroom event, into months long pain in the ass that nobody wanted to do anymore.

NPCs could at least prevent these issues, and if you insist on having real players take up these roles, AT LEAST have an NPC back up of some kind when they are not around.

We need to slow down the development of a government, obviously there's a lot to be figured out still. It seems like we're rushing into it way too quickly and without enough discussion.

>>29993076
This

>>29993076
What you meant to say is that Griff is trying to accelerate the development of a government so that he can grab power ASAP.

There's a reason he's pushing for it so hard. He's trying to solidify his own political power now when there isn't much in the way of competition.

If we don't watch ourselves we're going to have to pluck this bird brain.

>>29993109
>reminder that the first thing Ikea did when he joined was ask if we had a mayor yet

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>>29993109
ah yes please tell me how advocating for limited terms, limited power, a council system of checks and balances, and a balanced system that doesn't strangle those who dont want to participate is a power grab for a game that is held together by duct tape and the collective players will to try and make it work.

spoiler!
i wouldn't need the government system to take over if that was my goal.

>>29993109
From what I've seen in the Discord, Griff is trying to get power because it's what his character does naturally. Griff wants to save people of the town, Griff has received praise as a good leader, Griff thinks he can save town by being a good leader. It's logical stuff, even if it's a very early rush for power by him.

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>yfw Griff is Bacon in hiding

>>29993413
>Griff is a hero of the people, having fought off monsters to save the town
>Is a charismatic leader that wants to get stuff done
>Blames problems on the (((Equestrians)))
Heil Abird Griffler

>>29993442
SIEG HEIL

>>29993062
That's a good point. I would propose that we simply have characters that want to be the leadership roles be used only for the benefits they give the towns state sheet. Also thanks to whoever compiled those links for the game.

I personally would like to see town building mixed with quests on a hex crawl of the map in the op.

Anyway of a pic becomes a leader good for them but they should have a npc understudy that is accessible and a viable for others to use to pass things on and move things along of they need it

>>29993748
That would be pretty good. As long as there's a way for GMs and writefags to use the government as well then there shouldn't be too much of an issue. Government stagnation IC shouldn't effect what's possible with quests and stories

>>29987421
You need to work on that scale. Are you sure you didn't mean each hex is 12 square miles?

There's gonna be some hoof holding soon.

>>29994592
Does it matter?

>>29994619
Of course, do you need a lesson in geometry?

>>29988923

>at least try to hide it

If only he could hide his cock and not go all >rape

>>29994592
>>29994625
That line reaches across two hexes. Each hex is 6 miles across.

>>29994951
No, it doesn't. The line is eight tenths of an inch, the length of 2r (r= radius measured from the apothem of). Because of this, each SIDE of the hex is ~6.93 miles (or 36590.4 feet), meaning each hex has an area of ~3478450000 feet (or 658797.34848485 miles) squared.

>>29988817
>>29990087
>>29991027
this whole idea will kill the game. Stop before you all start thinking "hey we should have a Meta council".

this is a bad idea. stop now.

>>29995183
Don't listen to this shitmonger.

>>29991571
>unnlisted option: fucking stop

just have a narrative based 'equestrian government branch' controlled by GMs for quest narrative purposes.

STOP TRYING TO MAKE PNP AGE OF EMPIRES WE ALREADY KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK

This is LITERALLY what killed Fourcannon, except this time we're trying to start the rot before the game has a chance to get going.

if you continue, then this WILL become SpreadsheetSimulator2017, and Quests, greentext, and art will stop.

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>>29995306
>we're trying to start the rot before the game has a chance to get going.
>if you continue, then this WILL become SpreadsheetSimulator2017, and Quests, greentext, and art will stop.

>>29995074
I don't really understand most of that, but I'll just assume I got BTFOd

>>29995449
Not trying to BYTFO, just saying that the current scale has this area as overwhelmingly massive

>>29995306
i actually don't mind the game the way it is. just need to set a few more things in stone, like currency and the likes
But the whole council vs monarchy thing is something else...I do think that we need people who can make decision on what happens, but it should be looser then before. kind of like a jury when things get out of hands
I would like to believe we should be able to settle things amongs ourselves, but it might not be that simple

Alongside the topic of politics, how about we add "heat" for all the mares as well. Surely nothing will go wrong.

>>29995493
This. The equestrians can run things, and we can have our own group that complains to equestria with ultimately no promise of getting anything from it, and then run the town for a small period of town if SHTF and equestria can't direct the town.

>>29995530
I can't wait to ignore that shit

>>29996044
verdict cant wait for you to ram his ass

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>>29996044
>>29996064
>>29996123

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>>29996156
are you prepared

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>>29996156
>forgot name

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>>29996163
Not if I romance you and make this vanilla, I won't have to be!

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>>29996173
You're in for a wild ride, buddy

Heathens.

>>29996187
>>29996173
>>29996163
>>29996123
>>29995530

Did I mention that all attempts at followup games attract this sort of crowd? Low hopes here unless someone gets liberal with the moderation

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>>29996267
Can't recognize jokes, can you?

>>29996267
Of course. We remember the past as not to repeat it, and hopefully warn the young. Now if they listen or not is up to them.

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>>29996267
I see that attempts at followup games attract useless posts like yours.

>>29993118
>>29993413
>>29995183
>>29995306
>>29996267
alright, fully fucking serious here.

in DETAIL, not just fucking 5 words, actually explain what happened the last game(s), how they started going downhill, why people let it happen etc.

because no ones actually REALLY explained SHIT but then expects us to just understand why this might not be a good idea.

yes, i will fully admit ive never dont an anonymous forum but mostly on discord RP game involving Town builder/Politics elements, but i honest to god have had similar games full of strangers still work and be fucking successful as hell, so ill fully admit i might have some biases to not being able to see how it cant work out.

more importantly, people like me who have no idea what you're talking about who want this to work cant try and help make it work if we dont know why everyone flips their lids over certain ideas or details or have the knowledge of what needs to be prevented.

>>29996830
to be honest, theres a lot of reasons why the game ended at that point
>game reached an end game point where the survival aspect of it was basically gone, so no point in trying to play with that when all of the buildings were pretty much done
>The council did also prevent a good amount of content from being created, which then scared future content creators from trying anything
>At that point, most people just stayed in OOC chat or the inn and just talked all day long rather then try to do anything productive
Basically its a long chain reaction that ended up causing the lack of content
>Oh and also, most people were heavily against trying to change what was broken, because it was 'their system'. I clearly remember someone coming in towards the end who wanted to change things for the best, but got completly shit on by older players for trying to change things

>>29996830
>in detail
There is way too much dude but here are some things I remember

1. Some players liked to bring in powerful objects into the game and basically try to be OP. Overly powerful spells, weapons, Silver tried to bring in a dragon egg but it was rightfully smashed. This was at the very start of the the IRC portion of the game. There was also poison involved too and people trying to use OOC information to avoid things IC.

So rules started being made.

2. Heat. People thought it would be fun if mares went into heat because it was realistic and people are horny. Several mares became pregnant IC and tried to still go on quests while being pregnant. When they realized how stupid this was, half the players were town-bound and couldn't do anything until they had given birth, and even after given birth they stayed home to take care of foals.

3. Did I mention all the fucking? Not just occasionally fucking but some characters would ONLY fuck and nothing else. There were underage players that got involved with adult players. There was a certain player that got really creepy with another player to the point they had to quit. There were players that would lure in new comers from the inn to fucking them at their house, and so the new players thought this was just an ERP game.

CONT.

>>29996995
4. There were two councils. The IC council, and the meta council.

>IC Council
See last paragraph here >>29993062

>Meta Council
To keep track with all the quests that were happening, and with people being upset with what was "canon" and what wasnt, and some people retconning events because things didn't go their way, a meta council was formed. A group of people would be voted in every 3(?) months to dictate what quest ideas would be allowed to be ran and critiqued. There was a spreadsheet where GMs or players would submit ideas and wait for an answer. Sometimes this took for fucking ever because again, timezones and irl getting in the way. Also arguments between the council and and non council members for being upset over what could and could not go. There started to be a divide between them.

5. Leadership and mods
To be honest I barely remember this mess itself but I remember the arguments between them. One of them was power hungry, another got pissed over every little thing.

6. SYSTEMS.
There was a need of a system to jeep track of players powers and progress to prevent players from being retardedly OP. A system was made. Players argued about it. Another system was made. Players argued about it. Another player made a system and there was argument about that and the group became split up over the systems.

7. THE THREAD
The thread turned into just shitpostings, blamimg, name calling, and no one wanted to green text anymore. It was "lol too much reading" and they rather get drunk and fuck at the inn. The only way the thread was bumped is when there was a fight going on.

CONT.

>>29991565
Thanks for getting all these links lined up for us to go over.

Although I do suggest we try to use the 2nd kingmaker data as it's more put together in a better format I feel.

On another note I feel like putting the Daily Calender and the Character Stat sheets together would work better for keeping stuff together in one package yanno?

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>>29997079
8. Skype
A Skype channel was made which created yet another group separate from the thread and irc. I admit I don't know what went on in that Skype group, but there was drama from it that leaked into the game and vice versa.

9. Creators and GMs.
Those that would create and GM would be bullied into doing ONLY that. When they made something or GM'd, people would bitch at them. When they would play IC, people would ask "Why aren't they GMing?" and so a grudge was held between them. This prompt less and less people to actually be motivated to GM and create content and thus, killing more of the game.

10. Too many channels.
There were WAY too many channels spread thin. It worked when we had 50 active players, but then people started making their own private channels and wouldn't RP in public ones due to either being too busy fucking each other, or too self concious about being around others. The main rp channels became empty with only the "main" or "autism central" channel being the most active with people just talking about how they want to RP but never do, and just talk about nothing all day while someone would complain about "hello! We should fix this game!" And people would ignore it.


11. The End
I wasn't there till the very end, but by the time I left, there was hardly any RPing, channels were silent, and only the main one was active. The thread was a burning mess of people blaming others or people announcing they were leaving.

I seriously cannot go into more detail because this game lasted over the span of about 3 years and that was too long ago. Alot of us still had fun despite all this, and some people only had this and didn't know how to move on from it. So new games were created over and over only to fail over and over. Old people who have been here continue to advise against past mistakes or re-create them. I'm here to just have fun while it lasts then move on again to something else. Hope this helps?

>>29996995
>>29997079
>>29997208
thanks.

while this wouldn't solve all the issues, i did notice this part standing out:

in all the games ive played, having solid, concrete rules and limits beforehand kept the game alive. trying to figure things out or change them because someone got angry, even if they have a point, kills the game faster then almost anything else.

You need to know what elements you want, how you want them, and how far they are allowed to go, tell players what those are, and if they dont like it they dont play.

otherwise all i can say is limit the number of channels, dont be a ban happy bastard but also dont give in or tolerate massive bullshit, and dont put up with bitching at GMs and content creators for wanting a break, especially if said people dont do those things themselves.

townbuilding, RP, politics? all those things can be included and fun, but only if they know what they are and cant be influenced by people to BECOME a problem.

also as for fucking, lewd should be done off screen IMO and nothing should be forced, nor should it be the focus. im not into that though so just dont try and force it on me really is all i care about.

>>29997303
See, I agree to a point with you, but the problem with a lot of that is enforcing it. Even now in the chat as I type this, someone is trying to work on getting things together but people rather not worry about it and talking about nothing. It's the same voice I used to see in the old game that would their best to get things going or keep it on track but not many listened or cared for very long.

>>29997363
Well my fellow autist, I've delved into the various spread sheet links and mashed a few of them toghether so stuff is slowly coming together in terms of making it all on one good simple sheet for all to follow along!

Daily Planner [Grinding Stats] + Character Sheet Stats [Stat Tracker]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_HJyWJSDRRrkqythl0pJpDAU5qrGGNpe1pgHzpKOJQs/edit#gid=1541857591

Now I'm confused as to which one of these two should be used for keeping track of the kingdom stats themselves. My own stat sheet is rather shit compared to both, though I think it's a matter of preference of what everyone wants to tlook at.

My own Sheet that I was using...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16BU4LZgjCM2Jpv24NbLm0MSARXM1at75p1JG7cPMO6g/edit#gid=0

King Maker 2.0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kvhZfqR3KBVoaqje3Fk0dNfK8nr20O0cYhP03tJpSL4/edit#gid=1628553151

Census Data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fyu7J_j3J_uOc75TPRxric7176I_t9LYNjjfrz9GeaM/edit#gid=1946785664

>So, i decided to investigate this...stone thing that i found earlier this week. It was pretty weird but...comforting to say the least
> So me and dandelion headed out to where i originally found the stone. Its not too far away and all we have to do is follow the coast
>On our way there, the stone start to glow and kind of...peel some layers or something? Weird but initially it doesn't do much
>When we finally reach the place, the stone is even brighter now, so i try and investigate
>Dandelion, being as curious as she is. levitates it to see it
>The damn thing lights up like a mini sun! which obviously makes her drop it. I think about it and ask her to do it again
>She does it...but i wasn't expecting it to try and drain her magic away!
>I was worried for a bit, but thankfully she got back up in a few short minutes
>The stone was super bright at this point and it didn't seem to fade after a point...Maybe it stored it in there?
>When i tried to pick it up, the stone crumbled! But not quite...
>Turns out there was a gem inside of the stone! Its a drop shaped gemstone, and it looks just....amazing! I can't believe something like this is just...there!
>After i get over the shock of all this, i get back to what i was thinking on testing...
>When i walk around, the brightness of the gem varies, so maybe something is causing it to shine like that?
>Turns out i was right about that, find a stomp of sand that seems to interest it
>Want to get closer, but i end up tripping and getting covered in sand, which dandelion laughed at...
>Not so sure whats so funny about that but whatever...
>When i get up, i see theres a damn shark sculpture there! What the hell is that thing doing here?
>Curious as i am, i check it out obviously...
>theres a...seat? What?
>A god damn seat? What is this thing anyways?
>I end up sitting on it, nothing really happens
CONT

>I look around on it to see if i can't find anything
>theres two sort of like...hoof imprints on the thing that seems to be levers or something like that
>And then...theres the slot that seems to be oh so perfect for the gem...
>Oh boy here we go
>Dandelion warns me to be careful, but honestly how could i not try this?! Any self respecting explorer know that you have to do stuff like that
>So i do it
>Not much happen, the levers seems to be a little more responsive if anything
>But than Dandelion had this idea
>"Hey, you don't think this is like a car is it?"
>So she just...turns the damn thing
>The sculpture starts to roar to life and slowly lifts off the ground!
>Holy shit
>This is like...a hovercraft or something wack like that i can't even comprehend this damn thing!
>I try to slowly press the lever
>Bad idea, the thing crashes into the sand and i'm sent flying
>Dandelion runs over to me to see if i'm alright, which i was, other then the fact that we just found a DAMN HOVERCRAFT HOLY SHIT
>Decide its best to keep it there for now. Obviously kept the gemstone...key thing for later. I'm sure that with enough practice, i'll be able to ride that thing
>New life goal achieved!
END

Nightly reminder to be aware of the gay menace

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>Sail solo across the Atlantic, they said.
>It'll be fun, they said.
>We'll meet up in Belize and dive the Blue Hole, they said.
>Surely a freak hurricane won't suddenly form out of season, 3 days out from Barbados.
>Such a thing would never bloody happen! Yet here you are, hoping the mast won't break as you're trying to turn her into the wind and over this retardedly huge wave, which as it turns out is bloody hard when you're quite literally hanging from the wheel.
>DECKS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE VERTICAL.

>The trip had been going swimmingly, 'til the engine broke down, 20 days in. But it's fine, turns out fish gets a wonderfully petrolly taste when roasted over an open diesel flame, who'd have bloody thunk, eh? So you'd pulled through, like you always did, and all your mates will think you're just telling old sea dog tales, like they always do.
>You start to crest the wave as you finish cursing whatever jealous god you must have pissed off - probably Poseidon, Broseidon your wet arse. Or rather... you think you're cresting the wave, turns out the wave has differing opinions and is very eager to argue its point as it starts rolling, turning your boat sideways before slamming into the water. At least you won't have to worry about holding on to the wheel anymore.
>And that's your final thought before an errant mast gets flung into your face.

>>29998694
>You awaken some time later in a perfectly calm sea, having somehow not suffered mast-induced death, nor drowning- nor freezing- nor shark-induced. After all that bad luck there was bound to be some good coming your way, you suppose. In fact, as you spot the barque making good pace right for you, you almost wish Tyche would decide whether she loves or hates you cause all this tsundere bullshit is really trying your patience.
>You wave your arms in the international "come fucking help me, you ponces" signal until you spot someone seeming to react from the ship. It seems to call out and soon more figures appear along the rigging. One of them... jumps over board? What the everliv-
>Wait, correct that. FLIES overboard, what in the world is- that's a pegasus...
>THAT'S A FUCKING PEGASUS!

>One hour and a vigorous rubdown later you've discovered that you, too, are in fact a pegasus now. For some reason.
>You're also on an Equestrian ship bound for a frontier colony that's being formed by other humans-turned-pony. For some reason.
>Your fellow transformees were apparently found all over Equestria, so the princesses decided in their everlasting wisdom to send a bunch of unskilled yobs into untamed frontier lands to form a colony. FOR SOME REASON.
>So the captain of this good ship decided to just dump you with the rest of them to avoid having to sail you back to be processed properly.
>So, in essence, you actually made it to Equestria - the pony Equestria, that is, you got enough of South Africa for a lifetime when you resupplied from Cape Town - and not only do you not get to live in Equestria, you missed your chance to even SEE Equestria.

>Fuck you, Tyche, you capricious bitch.

>>29998699
Such a scrunchy pone. Should see what neat things you can think of, also on another note, did you happen to have any fun ideas you wanted to join in on? Would love to hear thoughts on what you wanna do

>>29998788
Not a very creative person, I'm afraid, so don't expect any great works from me.

Gannet herself will focus on the marine, was struck by the idea of a diving pegasus and sort of fell in love with the idea as it took form. But I understand most people probably won't share that interest/focus. I won't min/max her to uselessness in landlocked acivities so I can still be able to join in and be (somewhat) useful with everyone.

Aside from that, I doubt I'll have any ideas that aren't already being planned... adventures, townbuilding, social drama (most of which is hopefully not OOC), etc...
I'll make sure to pitch in whereever I can OOC, though, since Gannet will probably not be all that useful to the greater goals of town...

>>29998882
Bah that's quitter talk if nothing else you can join in on events as people talk and discuss stuff, stick around for may 7th as that is when next turn for town building will occur so be ready for it!

>>29998946
Well, obviously I will contribute whenever I see an opportunity, and at the very least be a face in the crowd.
Just don't expect anything major or you'll be disappointed.

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>>29993062
>thus making what SHPULD[sic] have been a fun courtroom event, into months long pain in the ass that nobody wanted to do anymore.
So. No trials for Outer Hayven?

>>29997513
I like the Census Data because it's easy to select things from the dropdown menus.
But I noticed that all 3 sheets have different values for what's supposed to be the final calculations (of Consumption and the Economy), so... That should probably be fixed first, right?

>>29999235
we cant even agree on fundamental game rules/ideas as of now i dont want to see us hold trial just yet.

>>29995530
Well, i WAS going to write greentext, but this interrupted.
let's not

Heat could be fine if done properly and not used to turn OH into a ERP, but seeing how it turned out in 4C it could be dangerous.

>>29999874
>Heat could be fine if done properly


STOP


I have already seen this before


Let's not and say we didn't


Okay, Anon?

>>29999874
You can assume it'll be done whenever players get bored if whoever is running this doesn't come outright and say it's against the rules of the discord.
It's all just a matter of time~

>>29999896
Get?

>>29999882 #
Calm down there!

I'm not saying we should or it's recommended, but it should at least be a canon thing.
Enforcing it on mares would not be a good idea, and public rp with heat is bad as well. But let's all remember that eventually we need production growth, and that's hard without heat.

Population growth*
>>29999896 #
kek

>>29999906
>and that's hard without heat


You know what.


It's clear you're not listening nor that you were present for the last time this happened.

Have fun with that.

>>29999942
I'm not doing anything without the approval of others, so most likely this isn't going anywhere.

heat and lewd should only be perhaps in implied IC, and otherwise done in PMs if they so wish.

>>29999983
Agreed. I can't see the ones running this to go further than that, anyway.
That said, are PMs canon? Can their be multiple character PMs?
Can they lead to IC consequences?
Questions, questions.

There*
Blame IOS.

>>30000080
id say yes so long as a GM/person in charge is let in on it, and then only the stuff that is thus used by the GM for game purposes.

or of course anything with literally no effect on the IC world such as private conversations that dont mean much then sure, as at that point it really doesn't matter.

>>29998882
I like your green. Hope you hop on the Discord. And I'm sure Gannet will be plenty helpful for the town! We're on a huge river and are close to the ocean that it empties out into.

>>30000125
That works.
I don't know if it would be a good thing or bad thing to make a pastebin with a whole bunch of canon PMs, though. Thoughts?

>>29999906
We don't need reproduction, though

>>30000158
PM's can be canon, yeah. Making a pastebin of it and posting it in the chat and thread "makes" it canon, I guess. If that makes sense.

>>30000158
a pastebin for canon stories and green would be a good idea either way....

but yes that would be good.

>mfw as far as i know im the only GM to have saved the posts from the story i ran and posted any form of it here.
>Mfw at least 3 stories if not more have been important to the development of the world and town.

>>29998699
noice.

I'll see about setting up a pastebin with all the green text I can find, then. Should help order things a bit better.
And of course others can take over if I've not ordered things correctly, but for now we just need a base.

guys, you're playing with fire here.
Just remember that GMs/writefags/artists are the ultimate arbiters of their own quests/green/art-things, regardless of what is 'canon'.

>30000234
Yes, we know.
What I'm saying is that it would be useful to have a place to put all the green text so people can read it and know what's going on.
Especially PMs, where a pastebin is the only way that kind of thing could be made public/canon.

>>30000234 *
BLAME IOS

>>30000250
as long as it's stated there's no obligation or expectation to stick to 'canon'.

>>30000284
apart from the general setting, of course.

>>30000284
Of course. Canon is probably going to be loose in OH, and I imagine there'll be very little things set in stone.

Dark Spirit Marielx has invaded!

>>30000421
Goddamnit.

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>>30000421
Please leave.

>>30000421
Thanfully this time around she wouldn't be able to build shit on her own. Its the perfect anti Mariel strategy!

>>30000432
>>30000434
.....do you guys need to like give us a fucking list of people to look out for or something?

So joking aside, rules doc or anything?

>>30000457
basically sarge and mariel

>>30000486
See >>29991565


There are no rules.

>>30000533
Hmmm, let me see if i get it right, basically the same as before but with more "quest/adventure" freedom for everyone?

>>30000486
GET THE FUCK OUT

>>30000543
yes but more importantly
>You can't build shit on your own so don't even try

>>30000543
Yeah there's a lot more freedom for GMs and writefags. You can pretty much do whatever you want at this point, however obviously bullshit stuff will be shot down.

Do you plan on roughing it alone like last time, or will you be actually involved in the town for once? Idk about the others, but I always kinda liked your horse

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Hey guys I'm not gay, I'm a defense attorney. I accidentally joined this town because I thought my boat was headed for the hot girls island. Well, since I'm here I had a question let's say hypothetically I had gay thoughts (lol yea right) and I found my trappy best friend attractive (ew gross) and one day we had sex in my house when I was feeling really sorry for him (I would puke...the only thing I bang is chicks with big tits you know what I'm saying lol) but we didn't kiss on the lips. Would that be gay? We were wasted (no evidence to the contrary) and while we were banging we weren't being cuddly and we didn't cuddle after (again there is no evidence against me). It's almost like a parody of when we bang mare (remember this didn't happen(the banging him part not the banging mares part that happens all the time)). So that wouldn't make me gay right? Just a bro?

>>30000724
Doing adventures sounds more tempting than participating in them this time, to be honest.

>>30000747
Cool, you'll be running adventures alongside me and a few others, then. We haven't done much yet; still getting settled into this new world and game and all.

One of the good things though is that the game world has so much fucking room that there should be endless possibilities for questing and such.

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>>30000737
I'm on my way

>>30000737
W-Wha..?
Lewd..

>>30000753
Will take a while tho, gotta set things up, check other's progress so dont mess up with the current story, and all that sort of stuff.

>>30000847
See that's why it's easy. Each hex tile is 20 miles of free land to do whatever you want with

Because there's so much land to play around with, you don't really need to worry too much about mucking up other people's stories.

Also there really isn't much in the way of stories yet, so you picked a good time to get involved

>>30000737
see Homily, only a priest can help you now.

>>30000856
wha?

according to one of the head honchos, and the current map, each hex is 6 miles. though the map in the OP shows closer to 12 i think.

either ways no where near 20.

>>30000866
Oh, whoops. Misinfo on my part. Either way, each tile is fucking huge so we have lots of room to play around

>>30000875
basically the only tile thats semi explored is the one with the gems on it...and its not even fully explored either. dunno if theres anything else there

>>30000651
Were those benches I made illegal?

>>30000737
Repent.

>>30000866
>>30000856
I see, well one more question, is it bad if i make my quests FULLY luck based? Like the outcome, loot, enemies, development can go from awesome to crap in 1 roll.

Also talking about enemies, sticking to the foes seen in the show or can create my own enemies.

>>30001021
you can create your own enemies. We've already got a super dangerous tentacle demon that makes ponies explode so your good...just don't go TOO overboard

>>30001021
Hey, do whatever you want. Just do us all a favor and warn us of any extra dangerous quests. We should be able to at least pick the difficulty we run with lmao

>>30001021
I do not mind that, but just don't make an instant death roll without one other roll that could have prevented it. Like, I could see two crit fails killing someone, but just one crit fail would kind of suck

>>30001049
>>30001035
Well, my raw idea is this, gonna post it so you teel me if its good bad, too close or too far from possible/fun/interesting.

Basically a long dungeon that scalates difficulty each floor you go down, it changes theme each 3 floors, and each time you reach the theme changing spot you open a shortcut to the surface so you dont have to run all the dungeon again each time, and it changes after a certain number of days because the dungeon itself is alive, see it as a PnP verson of a roguelike dungeon crawler.

Luck is heavily influenced as it can open/close paths, etc.

>>30001084
That'd be pretty cool, I'd be up for it.

>>30001084
Sounds like Heaven's Tower

>>30001084
That sounds pretty fun actually. I was planning on doing some stuff with changing levels and all too, though nothing thematic or tower based lol

>>30001169
Actually that concept is much older, similar to "azure dreams" which is also a tower and probably based on, which i emntioned long time ago in 4c.

But i was going more for "chocobo's dungeon" kind of dungeon, with shortcut reward on certain number of floors reached.

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The pastor is already confirmed a pedo that fucks little boy horses.

Way to go Outer Hayven

>>30001475
Is that normal for them to an extend?

>>30001484
Depends on what period of the catholic church you're paying attention to, but yeah

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We can't keep letting them get away with it

>>30001475
Lies and slander. Delet this. Repent.

>>30000445
How do you mean? There's no limits in place right now so she can still build on her own if not more since the embassy can just give you what you need.

>>30000502
Mariel was annoying but harmless. Bacon and Sarge however...

>>30001615
Ok, now who's Bacon? I haven't heard about him yet

>>30001621
Was the head mod of the main IRC channels, control freak, broke his own lore rules but expected others to follow them, threw hissy fits over trivial things, got into a lot of fights with a system creator, hardly RP'd but tried to dictate others in it and so on.

>>30001647
Forgot to mention he wanted 1:1 reality scale of "mediaval stuff only" so he blocked every single technological progress anyone tried to do, we couldnt go beyond swords and shields.

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>>30001621
>>30001647
Bacon Grease, by any chance?

>>30001680
That's the one.

>>30001680
how'd you know?

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>>30001692
>>30001709
Only because when I tried to do Four Cannon, my color scheme was too close to his. So I bumbled around with it then gave up and never tried again

That's it.

>>30001773
The purple and red bat one?

>>30001475
Saying such things could be considered heresy, Anon. The Lord doesn't save Heretics

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>>30001821
Blue and dark gold. I just realized I'm thinking of Al Dente. I'm a mess.

>four legs? Check.
>technicolor body colors? Check.
>horn that you think you miiight know how to use? Check.

>Right set of genitals? ...Not so check, but at least you have some in the first place.

>Yep.
>You’re a magical horse now, on your way to magical horse colony.
>That wasn’t a dream.

>...Is this going to go well?

>Probably not.
>Especially being so seasick that you can’t even move on the boat lest your meagre breakfast make itself known again.
>Fuck you too, Celestia…

1/3 shitposts

>So, recap on the events of the last few days…
>Black out
>Wake up in horsland as hors
>Avoid other horses for… reasons.
>You faintly remember something important regarding the fact that you need to do that…
>Whatever. Later on after getting a snack [and leaving some bits you found lying around as payment for it] you found a flyer.
>Seemed to be for hors in hors situation.
>No idea how you got here… Check.
>Rattled memories… Check.
>Nothing on your butt… you had to actually look for that one, but Check.
>No place to stay… yep.
>Five hours later you were on a boat to a colony.
>...which gave you more than uneasy feelings in your gut.
>Maybe that was just the rocking of the ship.

>Back to the present, and you find yourself on a beach, with nothing in sight.
>...perfect.
>”Hey, looks like they dropped another one off. You okay, miss?”
>Into the forest with you little hors, let’s see if you make it
>”...miss?”
>Oh, you should probably greet the pone that is looking at you.
>Right… greet the pone
>No no, not run into the forest
>That’s if they turn out to be an eldritch abomination
>Or a demon
>Or anything that is not a pone
“...Erm… hi?”
>”Oh! Good, you aren’t braindead… thought you were for a second. C’mon, the town’s this way.”
>Yes, follow the nice pone.
>Even when they seem like they’re about to go out of sight.

Forgot the 2/3 shitpost on the last one, but fuck you.

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Michael was arrested IC for trying to kill Stray Shot. gg

https://pastebin.com/LKDsyeRW

Pastebin if anyone cares to know what happened. It caused a crowd to gather and watch the standoff in the middle of the townsquare

>you follow them behind a corner
>next thing you know you feel something heavy crush your skull from behind
>the last thing you see before you pass out is an engorged member on a technicolor body that's also wearing large floppy shoes that squeak

>>30002438
We got a clown rapist now?
Fuggg

So I've got a horse made, I've got her intro and I've added her to the census. Anything else I need to do before I'm in proper?

>>30002553
Nope, just join the Discord and/or write green if you want

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>>30002507
Honk Honk

>>29997513
>>29999761
Interesting thing, the main reason why one has different stats from the other is because those roles have penalties if they aren't filled with warm bodies.

The first one I made I didn't do the role vacancy as I predicted people would fill in for that, the 2nd has the roles vacant causing the issue we have now with differeing values while the last has not yet applied those penalites either.

So my question I have for everyone here is which would you prefer.

Players struggling to manage these roles as they try to lead the kingdom

OR

Friendly Equestrians helping out and who were assigned to assist the new kingdom until they get off their hooves so to speak [NPC until Players feel comfortable to handle stuff]

OR

Simply have NPCs just in control but they are of Human descent instead of Equestrians but they are used as a plot element and for the purpose of the town stats.

>>30000445
it's clear now, that outer hayven faces an existential threat and requires ... metal gear.

>>30002927
I think we're forgetting that we aren't our own kingdom. Equestria shipped us out here to make a settlement for themselves, not start up some other kingdom. As of now, Equestria controls us. Equestria is calling all the shots. That might change eventually, if we revolt or I'm just autistic and read the thing wrong and we're not here for Equestria's good, but right now we don't get to have our own government.

>>30003185
Ah I was thinking that people would eventually want to make their own kingdom with black jack and hookers after a while. However if we continue to have more people show up and decide to settle in their own settlements that would be fine by me.

>>30003263
I'm not against making our own kingdom eventually, but when it gets discussed it's been turning into autistic screeching and shitposting, so I'd rather we just not worry about it too much for now

>You had found yourself in a small seaside town, which was peculiar as only moments ago you where several hours from any coast.
>The peculiarity didn't stop there.
>There was a peculiar strangeness to your surroundings.
>On the surface all seemed fine, trees swayed in a cool breeze a bright sun shone down, small wooden shacks stood picturesque and adorned with nets, buoys and other fishing livery.
>Yet there was still something strange.

>You try to figure out what was wrong as you walked through the small fishing town, colourful ponies greeting you with friendly smiles as you go.
>this place was weird.
>You were pretty sure that horses don't naturally have pastel coats and you didn't think they could smile.
>Then something catches your eye.
>A small pile of dirt, seemingly kicked onto a deck in front of a fishmonger in the small market.
>It looked like one coherent pile of brown, undifferentiated and with a faint outline, until it broke into grains at the edges of the pile.
>You rubbed your eyes and looked closer at this pile of dirt, it almost seemed like a cartoon.
>was this normal?
>You realised you weren't sure.
>Not only that, but when you looked up you noticed how smooth everything around you was, and showing the same outline as the dirt.
>You felt sure that this wasn't the way the world looked a few minuets ago, but when you tried to remember, you could think of no real difference.

>>30003904

>You rub your eyes one final time before setting the thought aside, your brain had begun to hurt and wanted to stop thinking about strange outlines and weird dirt.
>You mill about the market for a little while looking at the stalls and shopfronts.
>In a shop window you catch the first gimps of yourself.
>You are a white ... unicorn mare?
>With light blue mane and green eyes.
>You didn't wake up like that this morning.
>You had a...
>looked like...
>was wearing...

>You thought about it for a long minuet, you were sure that you looked different, but when you think back to your bathroom mirror you can't picture how.
>You think about getting dressed and picking up your keys-
>THAT'S IT!
>A CLUE!
>You still hadn't figured it out, but you where certain, you can't pick up keys with hooves!
>Quickly, you scan the ground for-
>there.
>A pebble.
>You practically pounce the small rock and snatch it from the ground.
>See!? you can't pick up things with hooves and theref- wait...
>The pebble rests in your hoof.
>?Somehow you are gripping it, it feels normal, just like picking up your keys.
>You wave your hoof wildly, and look again.
>The pebble remains in your hoof.
>you casually toss the pebble back where you got it, in an action that also felt normal.

>>30003914

>"you ain't from 'round here, eh?"

>You jump a little and spin around to see a stallion, in your distraction you had failed to notice a small group of stallions passing by.
>This one had stopped right behind you.
>He was bigger than you, with lightish brown mane, maple syrup coloured coat and sent.
>He had a picture of a maple leaf on his flank and was carrying a net of catfish.

>"sorry" he quickly apologised
>"ah didn't mean 'ta startle ya, Eh, ya just looked like ya where havin' a bit of a time, eh?"
>He had a really weird accent

>you look the becatfished pony
"y-yeah, i'm not sure where i am, or how... and everything seems... uhh"
>you say not sure where to begin.

>"Yeah, ya look it, eh." the pony smiles "mah name's Sturdy Cypress, you're in New Lafayette"
>He points out to into the bay "and that's Toronto bay, eh."
>He then points inland "an' Canterlot is ahboot six ours bah' carriage an' train, that way, eh".
>Well that's helpful you guess
"i'm ... Compound... Lift?"
>That sounds like a name
>Cypress turns back to you "While ya here, Compound, we're aboot to cook up a huge pot a' catfish poutine jambalaya, for the Maple festival, tomorrow, eh."
>"You're welcome ta join us 'till you get ya bearin's. eh"

>You quickly consider his offer.
>You're not sure what's going on but at least you'd have something to do.
"sure"
>Cypress smiles and exclaims "Great! Plus on est de fous, plus on rit! eh?"
"Y-yeah..."
>You stammer, not quite sure what he said.

>As you begin to follow Cypress and the rest of the catfisherponies, you notice a flyer trodden into the dirt, that you pick up in your seemingly magical hooves.

>>30003930

>The colourful, if dirty, flier reads:
>"Lost? Confused? have no Cutie mark? Think your in a cartoon and are terrified that the strange sense of unease accompanying that fact will
slowly drive you to the point of madness and beyond? All the answered and more are waiting at idyllic OUTER HAYVEN!"
>After that there is some instructions on how to get to this Outer Hayven and a Map.
>You think to yourself that name sound familiar, and resolve that must have been where you where headed.
>You fit most of the flyers criteria, after all.

>But before all that you decide to stick around in New Lafayette and enjoy the festival.

Oh, before I forget the drawing of Quick is by Compound, who drew it for free.
>Compound best artist

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T'was the early morning hours, before Celestia graced us with the rays of the morning sun when a startling light appeared in the skies. A beam of glorious blue light rose out from a location West of the town, but before many could see it, the light vanished, not a trace left in the skies of the star-filled night. Throughout the day, rumors of the bright apparition have spread throughout the town, told by both the citizens and the Equestrians sent and stationed here. Though the natives aren't too keen to investigate, but it's not surprise that several townsfolk are interested in what could have caused such a spectacular show. Looking at the map of the area, it's not hard to pinpoint just where the light originated from; the Shrine located up the river. Though the skies have been quiet, many are still curious as to the appearance of such an event. Will you be brave enough to venture out into the wilderness and see if what was seen is friend or foe? Ill omen and blessing for the future? What kind of horrors, treasures, and discoveries await? Only YOU can find out!

Post your interest here or let me know on the Discord, if we have enough interest it will be run ~2330-0000 hours EST

>>30004798
Daybreak here, posting interest. Take me to the shiny light.

>>30004798
A quick note: I'll be running it using the rules I posted before, which I'll repost at the end of this message. It's all very simple, basically roll a d20 and let the GM tell the story. Come to me with any questions, I'll be glad to assist anyone with anything!

https://pastebin.com/QWnm141B

>>30004798
so its at like, 11:30 at night? A bit late for me but if its short i should be able to last

>>30002417
Some things never change, huh?

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>>30004904
Yeah, I know it's late but for me that's the time I'm free and awake, two things I need to be to run this


On a side note, this is not first come, first serve. I have a fair amount of interest, so before this begins I'll randomly select those who will be able to join. Sorry in advance for those who can't make it, but if this is a success I'll be sure to run more!

>>30004907
This picture is just for you

>>30004798
Interested here

>>30004916
Why so mad tho?

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>>30004916
>>30004798
Um... I'd like to join up if that's not too mucha bother there...

Is it tonight then?

Hey for those interested in possibly dying horribly an interesting adventure, ill be hosting another Quests tomorrow afternoon (Central Time) thats related to my lats one here:

https://pastebin.com/EtHBRi5X

TLDR:

Idiots go in forest, slightly less idiots go to save them, meet demon in horrible scene, rescue single pony and go home, pony not pony, fight shoggoth/the thing monster at gates of town, kick ass and pass out from exhaustion.

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>>30005113
I call shotgun!

>>30005085
Yes, it is! I'll be looking through the interested parties in a minute or so and getting the final list together before starting, so it's not too late!

>>30004916
Hell Yeah!
>>30005113
Hell Yeah! I work till 7 CST, but if able to I'll happily join

>>30005165
were gonna need more then one pony with a shotgun(that sadly doesn't exist in game) my buddy.

>>30005113
For the Record i will be starting mine around 4-5PM (Central Time) tomorrow.

Here's a thing that happened in the Embassy with Curiosity GMing

https://pastebin.com/aCmuSbvN

It gives a good insight into the Equestrians' demeanor and motives.

>>30005402
No it shows that they handled a crazed person bursting in and shouting at the staff rather well.

>>30005445
same thing.

>>30005741
They are here to protect us. All hail our overlords

Question, how much magic control do we have?

Well, the quest to the light-baring shrine is off to a rocky start, the party getting only to the first fork in the rover before everything went to hell. The good news is nothing bad happened prior to that point. The bad news is that once they got to the bridge and started to cross, they were ambushed by a pair of mangy, malnourished wolves! The good news is that they managed to avoid being bitten or clawed by the duo, the bad news is that they wound up hurting themselves a fair number. However, when it came down to it they pulled together and the beasts retreated, the only major injuries sustained were lost weapons and hurt pride. Due to the poor timing of bad rolls, we had to put a pause on it, and the party will be here when we begin next. Due to my personal schedule issues, the actual in-game date of this expedition will have to be adjusted to when I can actually get to GMing next, as not to keep the five of them in suspended animation. I hope you had fun, and pray that when we start next we can actually get to the meat of this quest!

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>>30006139
Weh, wrong picture, this is the one I meant to post, with the location of the encounter!

>>30006057
limited until you learn to control it by practicing.

>>30005759
the Equestrians must be put down as soon as possible.

>>30006507
I was earthie before, probably going uni this time.

So, do the Equestrians smoke and have anything they could sell of tobacco wise?

>>30006139
>>30006145
You call THAT a PnP quest? I've seen better shit come from retarded hoodrats. Just like four cannon, you need to quit while your ahead, because it's just as shitty now as it was then

>>30006801
>as good as four cannon
this isn't even as good as oie. what makes it worse is lucy's gang is running things again. they have learned nothing.

>>30006902
Who?

>>30006801
>>30006902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kArgQz1RKmk

>>30006902
>lucy's gang

>hoof
>curiosity
>phoenix
>liven
>>>>>>

what alternate 4c did you come from buddo

>>30006801
Jeez, he sure is mad..
>>30007001
Also, this.

>>30007001
curiosity is lucy you faggot

>>30006902
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO ABLE WE'RE FINE!

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>>30007072
>He doesn't know

>people say one of the things that ended up killing past games was turning the thread into nothing but finger pointing and arguing.
>said old players then turn this thread into finger pointing and arguing.

heres a fucking idea ya damned cunts? Give the damned game a chance because some of us new guys actually want to enjoy this shit. We dont give a damn about shit we weren't around for, especially when you arent actually doing anything to prevent whatever is apparently wrong, and instead are simply bitching and whining about things, people, events, and outcomes we haven't seen and from what i can tell dont think is going to happen as of yet due to the way its going so far.

Okay, can we please get back on topic?
This is pinned in the discord but I didn't see it posted yet. Credit goes to Peyote for making this.

https://pastebin.com/v1ATdfSu

Howdy, and welcome! You probably have some questions, most of which can hopefully be answered here. As more questions arise, more things will be added to this pastebin

>Town Layout, and current number of buildings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ltSbaXpEce5nMPofbu19HO3nNq7rrJMVb5Kxuvz8Mc/edit#gid=806382498
>Upon Entry to the Outpost, you receive a pair of saddlebags, courtesy of the Equestrian Embassy. This pack contains;
->A small, somewhat detailed map of the region. Enough to get a feel for where you are, but it'll be up to the town to get more specifics.
->A average-sized, surprisingly sturdy canteen.
->A small journal, completely blank.
->writing implements
->A small survival knife, for utility.
->Some bandages
->A flint and steel
->A decent length (20 ft?) of rope
->50 Bronze Bits (5 Silver)
>For now, there are no banks. This could change, should the town decide on it
>Jobs: Currently, up to the players. Try to think of a useful profession, however. Some examples;
->Lumberjack
->Construction Worker
->Farmer
->Craftsman
->Fisherman
->Town Guard
->Town Crier
->Scout (Possibly a part of Guard duties)
->Houses: Somewhat. More being built to acomadate influx.
->Where to store supplies: Excellent question! First order of business should be the creation of a storage house. For now, supplies such as lumber and harvested/foraged materials can be stored in small buildings meant to receive them.
>Foraging?
->Courtesy of Daybreak: https://pastebin.com/k3c432s3

>>30007104
No chance for finding useful stuff like cotton?

>>30007169
You can try asking Daybreak since it's their list. She's on right now in the discord.

>>30007169
>>30007178
Rain had mentioned that the farm grows cotton. The foraging list I made is just something I googled in 15 mins based on plants that grow in Louisiana and swamps. If you want to makeep more, feel free. We had 100 roll lists last time, right? Also Rain mentioned that the farms in town grow cotton.

>>30007303
Cotton. Did I mention cotton? There's cotton. Btw cotton.

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>>30007315
Cotton will only be profitable (and massively so) if we have a cotton gin to get the seeds out. Cotton production is otherwise limited to a trickle and wouldn't even be worth it.

slavery when

>>30007169
>Mariel joins
Fuck off back to /vg/. You've ruined too many generals already.

>>30007406
Well, who knows that extra handmade bandage made out of foraging could save someone's life.

>>30007097
This

Do we still do the "1 foraging/mining/fishing/etc attempt per day" thingy?

>>30008032
There's no lists for those, but updating the daily planner gets you things I think.

>>30008173
What's that?

>>30008187
See
>>30007104
>>29997513
And be sure to click the tabs at the bottom.

>The forest was cool and calm
>Some woodland creatures, like squirrels and raccoons scurried about
>Two squirrels were busy having raucous sex on a tree branch, high above the forest floor
>Nature is fascinating
>In that very forest, a pegasus mare was busy cutting back the brush
>She’d arrived some time ago, but, rather than settling living arrangements, like a responsible pony, she’d decided to run off into the forest and play explorer
>Her coat was a faded tan color, while her mane and tail were a darker brown
>Desafiante honestly thought she looked just a few shades off from a Daring Do ripoff
>Using a sword she may or may not have stolen she hacked and slashed her way through a bush
>Was it necessary to cut it down so she could get through?
>No
>Was it fun?
>Yes
>And that was all the reason she needed
>She even mumbled to herself to make the experience a bit more satisfying
>”Hello,” she said in a thick, spanish accent
>”I am Desafiante. You killed my father; prepare to die.”
>Sure, the sword she was using was not, in fact, a rapier, but that didn’t matter much
>She was actually pretty sure a rapier wouldn’t even work, now that she didn’t have hands
>This led to a new train of thought: She was absolutely pissed that she hadn’t come out a unicorn
>Desafiante would have loved nothing more than to sling spells and become a powerful wizard, but no, she got stuck with fluffy wings and an odd urge to sleep a lot
>Pegasus biology was weird
>Or maybe it was because she was into the cat/pegasus headcanon on /mlp/ before this went down
>Probably that
>It was about this time the mare noticed it was getting dark
>Probably a good time to head back to town
>Her golden eyes scanned the land before her to look for any landmarks
>After seeing nothing of use to her, she promptly gave up and cheated
>Her wings flapped and fluttered and she slowly lifted off of the ground
>A grin spread across her face as she rose above the treeline

>>30008744
>She was finally getting a hang of this flying thing
>From her new vantage point she could easily see the small village in which everyone had gathered
>Er…
>Every /pony/
>Yeah, she was just going to stick with human terms unless she met an actual pony
>She made her way back toward the village and spared a moment to actually put her sword away
>Then, as if to remind her that she hasn’t worked hard enough to fly properly yet, a gust of wind caught her at just the wrong angle
>She didn’t know how to recover
>With a panicked, autistic screech, she ended up plummeting a good fifty feet or so, but barely managed to flap her little wings enough to avoid serious injury upon hitting the ground
>Didn’t stop her head from reeling, though
>She swore in taco and decided that she would just lay there in shame and hope no one had seen her
>They probably did

And thus concludes Conquistahors' shitty intro green