So which of the following shit that ruined MLP annoy you the

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>>29913349
literally none of these are dealbreakers for me

get fucked OP I am serenity

>>29913349
Given how I no longer h8 Glimfriends, I'd say changeling reform.

It is honestly stupid.

Oh and Nyx not being canon

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>>29913349
>funnyjunk
>being OP
Are you on the list too, faggot?

I literally only checked changelings and that's because I hate the new design. Still an amazing series.

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>>29913349
Picked all of them, i despise every single one of those things.

>>29913376
Gas all Nyxfags. The one of them.

>Starllight Glimmer is reformed and focused
>is focused
This is over exaggerating.

Where is empty vote? None of these triggers me at all.

I can't really say a specific plot burnt me. It's usually more down to shitty writing that gets my goat.

>>29913381
Bumping this anon

>>29913527
Nyx is friend

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>>29913349
Results so far.

Glimmerhate is beating down EQG hate.

>>29913853
No and stop pretending to be not nyxfag.

>>29913349
>Glimmer as the worst
>not the castle
>not the Twilicorn, which is far in the back

Neo-/mlp/, everyone.

>>29913911
I think the problem with Glimmer it's not Glimmer itself, but mostly the autistic faggots who keep Glimmerposting just to trigger everyone else.

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>>29913349

Anti EQG shitposters ruin /mlp/ more than anything.

>>29913959
I stopped bitching about the colored barbies.
I just don't give a fuck anymore, rape this franchise and burn it to the ground I couldn't care less.

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>>29913959
Thanks for using a trip, clown

>>29913911
>"Why aren't people still mad about this thing that happened in a cartoon show 3 fucking years ago like I am?"

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>tfw checked everything

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>>29913911
Most people on this board weren't even on the ride when Twilicorn happened. They knew what was coming and had no misconceptions about where the series would go.

Also >>29914070. Twilicorn is pure dogshit, but it's been 4 years now. You need to move on, senpai.

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>No Cadance or Mcflurry
>No bland generic pink mary sue princesses period, if there's something this franchise doesn't need, it's these.
>Save Twilicorn for the grand finale, after some solid build up , and make it more epic than writing half a sentence in a book and sudden wings out of nowhere
>No EqG, but Sunset appears in the show instead, and takes the slot it would be given to Starlight
>No Starlight, period. Sunset is much better already, there's no need for a vastly inferior clone, with everything that made the original interesting and likeable removed
>Discord remains in his stone prison, where he belongs
>Develop Changelings, but not reform them, much less change their appearance

Why /mlp/? It would be so easy not to screw up

>no option for /mlp/'s constant bitching
I went for the tree, Cadance/Flurry Alicorn, Shining Armor. Close to putting changelings but I like the general idea of how they were reformed even if they went to far with it

>>29913936
a lot of those are falseflaggers who actually hate Glimmer

>>29914135
Yep, clearly it's always those evil false flaggers

It couldn't be the shitbirds themselves, nope, they're good glammy wammy bammyfags who don't shitpost at all

>>29914096
>This dog shit stopped smelling since it is dried out now, that means you should eat it now, it should taste good.

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>>29913349
She's the future of this show and you know it.

>>29913902
But I am nyxfag!

>>29914162
It's not your fault.

>>29914162
>food analogies

>>29914127
All is good except i disagree with stoning Discord. He is much better as it is now and he's romance with Fluttershy is adorable. Like two kids making out with awkward blushing

>>29914135
This. I dont understand how /mlp/ can be this gullible into believeing that glimmerfags would shitpost this

Do you think that spam about Crusty Kunt was also dashfags doing? Or That actual shippers spam fluttercuck meme?

>>29914135
>a lot of those are falseflaggers who actually hate Glimmer

Even then, this only shows that most do not like Glimmer, nor do they approve of her presence in the show, and want this terrible character to fuck off, to disappear

>>29914159
Sure some of them do, but it wouldn't be so prevalent if people weren't so easily triggered

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>>29914266
>if people weren't so easily triggered
And now we're down to the root of the problem. Back when people who browsed the internet were scorned, you had to really be dedicated. You were 'in on the fold', per se, because that was the only fold you could be in. I was 17 in 2007, which was when I started browsing 4chan. It was slower than slow but hadn't gone public. Now when it's mainstream and the "cool place to be", of absolutely course there's going to be 17 year olds, and likely even younger kids. And, although it's a rather stupid word to use while I'm bashing these people, "normies" fits how they act perfectly. It's mainstream, it's hip, it's cool, etc. etc. to be on 4chan. Kids who heard of this place doing all these zany things come over and have eventually become the majority. This board isn't 'dying' because of lack of user activity- Desuarchive statistics show we're a thousand active users above /k/- we're dying because of this cancerous XDlmao trolled u shitposting, but the only reason these "trollers" do this bullshit in the first place is because of these "normie" highschoolers who are either too naive to realize what it is or participate because they think it's funny too. Whether I like it or not, the 'wild west' days of the Internet and 4chan are over and unfortunately there's no real replacement.

Do any of you remember when Cadence was the big meme on /mlp/? Sure, yeah, there was shitposting, but no one unironically liked her. Do you guys remember when the first EQG movie came out? Even then, when the infestation had already started, nearly everyone hated or disliked it. Remember when if you even said 'roleplaying is ok sometimes' you'd get 20 (You)'s all insulting you? Now people openly roleplay in both chatrooms (IRC, Discord, Skype) and occasionally on actual /mlp/. The normiefication of 4chan is what this all boils down to.

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>>29913349
>Castle
>EqG
>Glimmer

No Twilicorn because you said "still" and I got over it.

>>29914838
Me too but only because theres now more episodes with Twilicorn than unicorn Twi and i forgot how she used to be.

>>29914838
Sorry but i want to know what grind the gears of /mlp/ right now and not used to. Thats why i dont even include Flash Sentry and his cameos since no one can be this autistic to care about waifu stealer memes

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>>29914857
>mfw my mental image of Twilight is still a unicorn
It takes an explicit statement of her ascension/title/wings for my brain to go 'oh, right' and fix it.

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>>29913349
Can some please explain why glimmer is so bad (and by the looks of this poll, worse than lore-destroying MORE ALICORNS and the highly generic EQG trash)

>>29914928
>Was an alright villain
>Reformed villains suck (implying her sins can ever be forgiven)
>Reformed villain starts to take a main character role in the show
>No one seems to give a shit that she destroyed the entire universe multiple times and enslaved a bunch of ponies in some communist dystopia
>What even is a legal system?
>Somehow more socially inept than the other ponies
>Seems like she is trying to rival Twilight with her magic and related name
>Befriends Trixie and BTFOs Twilight
>Changelings were like the only decent villains left since all the others are defeated or reformed
>Turned all the changelings into gay as shit faggot bugs

Fuck you Starlight Glimmer you dumb horse

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>>29913349
Literally everything listed here ranges from inoffensive to good.
Except maybe EQG. I see how that could ruin people's immersion.
>Fluttershy gets more assertive and less shy
Oh fuck right off this shit is why we have 20 years of zombie Simpsons. "REEEE NEW CHARACTER GET OUT" is one thing but that's just taking the piss.
You fuckers are crazy.

>>29913901
>Mare with Attention: I AM GETTING STRONGER

>>29913349
>the most voted for thing only has 13.05%
This means that most people voted for one thing because they misunderstood the question or we are all actually okay with everything the show has done.

If I had time I would make some more math but I'm lazy and forgot while I was typing this what I would look for.

>>29913393

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>>29913349
only thing thats bothered me so far is twilight didnt end up moving into the old castle of the two sisters. everything else is fine.

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>>29913911
>>29914070
More like
>Why aren't people mad about this thing that made sense in the first place and was going to happen under Faust anyway by her own (filmed) admission?

>>29915101
[Citation required]

Considering Faust has also gone on record saying Twilicorn was not planned, I'm highly skeptical.

>>29914163
There is no future though... Oh, clever.

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>>29915054
She was a shitty villain. Redemption redeemed her, funnily enough.
I tired replying to the others but so many take a simple "DYEWTS" that it ain't worth the time. MLP? Gay as shit? REALLY? Who'd a thunk it?!

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>>29915114
The Documentary. She gets an interview segment going over her OG long-term plans for each character and Twalot's was "takes Princess Celestia's place". Not that you'd even need that word-of-mouth, she'd been going Super Saiyan mode since the bloody pilot. This wasn't exactly subtle.
At best they could have paced it better, I won't argue that. It was rushed to shit and suffered for it. Larson himself wanted it to be a 2-part episode, at the very least.

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>>29915180
Oh, okay. That's a lot less than I was expecting.

Yeah, to be clear Faust has always said Twilight was intended for some sort of successor role, but has also been absolutely clear that being an alicorn was not part of it. The two are not inextricably linked. Pic related.

>>29915180
The "taking Celestia's place" that Faust planned for Twilight did not include wings or princesshood

>Starllight Glimmer is reformed and focused
Reasonably hated consider it took no time at all
>Flurry Heart as a born Alicorn exist
Final season should have ended with something like this
>Twilight Castle replacing the library
Reasonable
>EqG universe existed
They should have taken it in a different direction besides cliche school setting
>Changeling reformed
Bound to happen
>Twilight is an Alicorn and a Princess
Got over this but made the M6 unbalanced and should have happened near the end
>Alicorn Cadance exist
Happened in S2 so autists will give it the slip
>Starlight Glimmer exist at all
Love/hate relationship there but if it were me I would not have made her my main student, really random call
>Discord is reformed
Bound to happen
>Fluttershy gets more assertive and less shy
Surprised this one isn't further up because they fucked her character up
>Discord focused on Fluttershy with ship teasing
Somewhat of a fan of her though it's reasonable to think that way
>Shining Armor the out of nowhere brother exist
Doesn't bother me but Celestia defiantly has preferential issues when it comes to Twilights family
>Slice of Life pandering episode exists
If you can't get over this by now than maybe this isn't the place for you anymore

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>>29915142
>Shitty villain
>Literally destroyed the universe multiple times and enslaved an entire town for fuck knows how long

Top Kek

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>>29915228
Fair enough. Never seen that bottom quote before today.
Raises a lot of further questions, but like she says we might never get the answers. Pity she didn't establish more concrete lore at the time, hell I assumed Twilicorn was always a possibility from just watching S1 it was left so vague.

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>>29915285
You're one of those "Kefka was a good villain" guys aintcha.

>>29915285
>>29915332
You know what, not even a Kekfa scenario. All she did was enter parallel timelines. Bitch didn't destroy shit. Had Twilight not followed her & gone about her day that would've been the end of that. Several more seasons of Mane 6 shenanigans, Starlight gets drawn & quartered by Sombra goons, /mlp/ has one less thing to shit itself over. Starlight herself was the only thing Twilight saved.

>>29913349
Wish there were a "None" option so we could see how many Anons aren't bothered by any of that.

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>>29915356
>FOOL
Big Jim sounds like that Chinese Spongebob parody.
Or Excalibur from Soul Eater.
Either way it made me smile.

>>29915372
We compalin in the thread instead, obviously.
It's 2AM what the fuck am i still doing here.

>>29915313
Yeah, it does. And also to be fair, people were speculating at Twilicorn long before it actually happened too, so it's not like it was completely out of nowhere.

Given some of how Faust talked about some other stuff, though - particularly how Celestia ran things and used her precognizance to set the show's events in motion - I can't help but wonder if Faust was sort of planning to have the "age of alicorns" come to an end during the show's course.

i.e., instead of being ruled by an unaging, distant alicorn who manipulates ponies' destinies (even if benevolently), they would finally be able to take their governance onto themselves for better or worse. Celestia could finally set aside the weight of the crown to be the fun-loving, humorous pony we saw at times in S1, ponies could step up and choose their own paths. It's all speculation, of course.

>>29915401
>I can't help but wonder if Faust was sort of planning to have the "age of alicorns" come to an end during the show's course.
We Dark Souls now.

>>29915229

>Celestia is the princess of canterlot
>Twilight will take her place
>Not include princesshood

Twilight president of canterlot?

>>29915421
Sounds kinda like what >>29915401 is postulating desu

>>29915421
>Twilight president of canterlot?

Yes. From what I heard, the monarchy was going to be abolished and Equestria would become a democracy, with Twilight as the first president.

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>>29915458
>From what I heard
Go ooooon...?

>>29915416
Less Dark Souls, and more maturing in life.

Celestia is very much a parental figure, including the whole 'benevolently manipulating the course of her subjects lives' thing - that is, after all, what parents are kind of supposed to do. The show starts with Twilight having to step out from said parental figure's protection and go out in the world to make friends.

So, how would it have ended? With Equestria as a whole stepping out from under its parents shadow, no longer needing that kind of sheltering guidance - launching the rest of the way to independence and freeing the parental figure to have their own life as well.

That's why Twilight wouldn't have originally become an alicorn. The point isn't 'you grew up, you become an exact duplicate of your parents', it's 'you grew up and now you forge your own path'.

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>>29915593
Funnily enough you're spelling out precisely why I like the Starlight stuff & hope it continues.
Hell we could still get this age of diplomacy yet. But how much more poetic would it be if Mrs Equality-Or-Else was there to help usher it in?

>>29915707
Funnily enough, that's actually one of the reasons I /don't/ like Starlight's stuff: It feels like she is on a path to doing little more than walking in Twilight's tracks, constantly miming her mentor's ideas on what friendship means and why it is good. Starlight doesn't have a path of her own, nothing to distinguish her from Twilight.

If she'd come out of the Season 5 finale agreeing that brainwashing, nonconsensual de-marking, and fucking with time were all bad but still believing in the value of a (non-limited) equalized society, then I'd agree: She'd be learning from Twilight but still holding her own distinct beliefs and course in life.

Instead the message I seemed to get is "if you ever dare believe anything which disagrees with this designated learned figure, you are automatically marked as a villain until you abandon said beliefs to follow hers perfectly".

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>*autistic screeching* thread
>get new creator insight & neat show discussion
OP turned out to be far less of a fag than I gave him credit for.

>>29913349
Honestly I've never had a problem with any of the stuff they do in the show. Cause it's always opened new avenues for story telling. If they just did random shit and forgot about it later that would piss me off way more.

>>29915843
Well said. Agree recursively. Need sleep.

>>29913349
None of it ruined it by existing. The introduction is not the problem. Wasting potential of its existence after its introduction is.

>>29915843
All the butthurt and autistic screeching that comes from the big changes keeps the board alive anyways. Where would /mlp/ be without several daily threads complaining about the state and direction of the show and crying about things they don't like? This board would be dead.

>>29915873
I say that stuff like the pink mary sue princesses, obviously introduced only to sell toys, whether they fit or not in the show's canon be damned, is pretty unforgivable.

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>>29915927
Judging from my experiences these past few days it's pretty dead as is.

>>29915953
Cadence turned out to be fine to
this is the first time I'm hearing genuine non-memey disgruntlement at her & Shining since their first episode aired and proved as such
Her SPROG on the other hand...

>>29915992
8tho

>>29915953
And yet if she became a good character it could've been forgiven. If she did contribute to the show in any meaningful and engaging way it wouldn't matter that much. But what they did to her was just cementing her position as a shoehorned merch.
Everything in the show exists to sell toys. It's inevitable that new things will be added to sell toys. But it doesn't have to be lifeless and cheap. That is the main problem.

>>29913349
those were all improvements

>>29915999
how is she any less meaningful than luna, prithee

>>29915992
You weren't around in 2012. Even Faust herself sperged over Candyass, since she utterly despises this type of character, so prevalent on this type of shows, and made a point on NOT having generic pink princesses for once when she created FIM. Jewbro had different views, however, and we all know the result. Apparently, Cadance was the OC of some Hasbro executive higher up's daughter. The rage over Candyass was eventually drowned out by Twilicorn and EQG.

>>29915999
In order to make Cadance even remotely acceptable, she would need a different backstory, different personality and different appearance. In other words, it would require Cadance to NOT be Cadance at all, but to be a completely different character altogether.

>>29916051
Zero backstory in the show, zero explanation how she became an alicorn and Twilight's foalsitter before Twilight even got her cutiemark, no character flaws, barely any character at all, never mentioned before shoehorning, introduces inexplicable brand new power rivaling Celestia, takes the finale from her, M6 and the Elements, fucks off into the brand new Empire she suddenly rules to appear only when something apocalyptic happens. Now also orbits Flurry. The only thing in common with Luna is her lack of screentime until she's needed, but at least Luna had something personal going on and also appears in dreams, helping ponies. Cadence has no place in the show while Luna was its cornerstone right from the very start. Luna is more meaningful even though she herself didn't have enough spotlight.

>>29916118
Yes, Luna is far better than Cadance, but honestly and quite frankly, she, and Celestia too, are among the most overrated characters in the show. Their only merit is being princesses, if you take that away, they have nothing else going for them. You can bet your ass that if Celestia/Luna were "common" ponies, not even the most hardcore Sunfags and Lunafags would look at them twice. They rely heavily on headcanons, fanfiction and assumptions to be likeable, and have very little of a personality or personal merits, both on and off screen.

>>29913349
>no dragons grow via greed.

>>29916162
I'm not arguing who's the better character. All of them could've been better than they are now. I would like for Cadence to get real characterisation.
>if Celestia/Luna were "common" ponies
The fact is that Celestia and Luna are what the universe is built upon. They are the first two characters we even see on screen. They can not be introduced as common ponies. But Cadence could've been. In fact, I think her initial design wasn't even alicorn.

>>29916162
As a Sunfag, you're right - if it weren't for the princess-ey stuff, she wouldn't have nearly as much appeal.

But that's sort of the point of why I like her. It's exactly the half-hinted-at demands of leadership, the struggling between being a symbol of leadership and a real pony, the things she must have experienced in a millennium of ruling that I find interesting - to say nothing of the sacrifices and actions she's implied to have taken for the sake of her subjects.

You can make the same argument about virtually any character: Remove the linchpin of their characterization, give them practically zero other screen time, and of course their likeability falls off.

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>>29916118
>while Luna was its cornerstone right from the very start
Not... really?
She was a plot device for the pilot. And her big role of "moves the moon" sure wasn't that important for the 1000 years she didnae do it. And the dream angle didn't even come into play until S3.
Meanwhile: What makes Love as an energy source "inexplicable", when interpersonal relationships had already been established as the lifeblood of the setting? Where can she go to be useful if introducing new layers to the lore is apparently inexcusable? Why are revelations about these characters' existences so unforgivable when you've only glimpsed a few hours of the MC's ~20 year long life? When exactly did maintaining mystery around alicorns & their origins stop being okay? Who the fuck has an official monopoly on saving the day every bloody time out? And so on and so forth, I'm out of Ws.
I just ain't seeing the hang-up brosef. It all sounds hella arbitrary. Like somebody got offended first and came up with reasons after.

>>29915054
>FORGIVENESS IS BAD

>>29915977
Show is on again soon, it's always quieter in the off season

>>29916441
Anon show's been on again for a week.

>>29916337
>What makes Love as an energy source "inexplicable"
Literally asspulled to get the Brand New Character spotlight. It wasn't mentioned ever before as a power to rival the Elements without requiring six specific ponies to even start working, reserved to the very special snowflake character. Why wasn't it mentioned? Because it was invented with Cadence.
>Where can she go to be useful if introducing new layers to the lore is apparently inexcusable?
I dunno, where CAN she go? Because she apparently was a princess without any land to her name. Why? Because she was never supposed to be a princess in the first place.
>Why are revelations about these characters' existences so unforgivable when you've only glimpsed a few hours of the MC's ~20 year long life?
It's not unforgivable, she was a foalsitter and that's not a thing to mention usually. But something like a borther who Twilight apparently cares about so much never been mentioned ever before is strange. Of course now it's normal for this show to introduce brothers and parents 6 years into the show, doesn't excuse it.
>When exactly did maintaining mystery around alicorns & their origins stop being okay
We know exactly what princess Cadence's origins are - Hasbro HQ. But seriously, I don't even mean why she's an alicorn. Where is she from? How old is she? Why was she babysitting Twilight not knowing who she was? Is it such a mystery? Why should it be?
>Who the fuck has an official monopoly on saving the day every bloody time out
M6, the main characters, as this is the show about them.

Look, it's ok to like Cadence even if you know nothing of her. But I don't know why do you have problems accepting what she represents and the fact that she never made it past that. She wasn't developed properly, and it's a problem with all the princesses. I didn't expect them to have decency to actually think her through, but it's been 4 years and she's still the way she was, a non-character. You don't have to defend that.

>>29913349
>EqG only has 10% of the votes
This makes me angrier than EqG existing.

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>>29916441
>soon

>>29915421
I think Faust meant that Twilight would become the second Starswirl the Bearded. He was in charge before Princesses came along yet he wasn't an alicorn or royality.

>>29914742
This nigga gets it. Although I liked Cadence for the porn.

>>29915080
Go back to your crypto shill containment thread and we'll stay in ours.

>>>/biz/

>>29917253
Percentages get skewed because it's a "vote on as many as you want" poll.

what do you mean by this?

>>29913349
hmm, nope. The thing that bothers me and makes me dread the show is the frequent new male characters being shoved in with not-so-ambiguous ship-pushing, creating clearly painful scenes for people who seriously like the pony. I could accept any of that dumb plot shit, the lore's junk anyway, but the cucking is what I have a difficult time forgiving or accepting.

>>29913349

GLIMMERFAGS ON SU-SA- WATCH

"Shimmerins" are laughing in the background KEKK

>>29916761
>Because she apparently was a princess without any land to her name. Why?
Not him, but I'd imagine that goes for all the Alicorns in general. Going off of what the show tells us, it looks like Alicorns "earn their wings", THEN have to find their place in the world. Be that a literal location to watch over, or be it the part they will play in the grander scale of things. For example:

>Twilight
She became an Alicorns, but then what? We had a season full of filler not explicitly stating what that meant. It wasn't until the beginning of Season 5 that we saw she was supposed to be the princess of friendship. That whole map situation showed up in her new castle, and gave her and her friends a direct objective. Before then, it was just running around trying to figure out what was in that fucking box. It took her a whole season to really find out what she was supposed to be doing. Even in the season 4 finale, they dedicated an entire song to how Twilight has no idea what she's doing, but sooner or later will "play her part".

Cont.

>>29916761
>>29921396
Cont.

Luna
This one is more vague since we don't have much to go off of. You could argue that both Celestia and Luna's "place in the world", is raising/lowering the Sun and the Moon respectively. I'd argue that isn't the case. What we know is what we were told in episode 1, that Celestia watched over her kingdom during the day (which could just be interpreted as "she ruled Equestria"). But going off what they say Luna did, Luna DIDN'T have that. In fact, we don't know if Luna had anything to call her own at that point. Yeah, she could raise the moon, but that could be seen as more of a talent, opposed to a duty. I'd argue that Luna's place in the world, or the "land to her name" as you put it, would be the dream world. We know since she returned that she has been helping everyone out in their dreams, and we can assume she didn't do this 1,000 years ago, since back then she only wanted what Celestial had, presumably because she didn't have anything to call her own. We even see in Luna Eclipse that Luna has issues fitting in with the world. It's not until later seasons that she found her place with the dream stuff.

Now as far as Celestia goes, I can't say. I guess going off what the show tells us, she's been doing what she's been doing for a long time now, at least further back than anything we've seen. But as far as Cadence goes? When the whole Crystal Empire thing happened, that was her earning a land to call her own. That was us getting to see what part in the world she gets to play. You could argue that it's too sudden and has barely any buildup, but that the point. She's a borderline background character. She isn't the focus, the Mane 6 are. She's just there to add more depth to the world for those that want it, that's why she's barely even shown up since she was put in the show.

Shitquestria Fucks universe does NOT exist. CANONICALLY FALSE.

>>29921449
None of it exists you fuck.
It's all fake.

>>29916761
I "have problems accepting it" because it was always the case.
New elements like Cadence, Shining, the Crystal Empire etc. didn't ruin a danged thing, because there was nothing there to contradict. Faust did not deem the number of alicorns, or the origin of alicorns, or the full range of magicks, or the fineries of Equestrian metaphysics, or the comprehensive family trees of the Mane Six, or a whole lot of other stuff important enough to solidify as explicit published canon. It's blank canvas. Twilight never said she DIDN'T Have a brother, and never had a reason to randomly bring it up before. By your same logic, half of the Mane Six sprung fully-formed from the Earth. Because S1 never mentioned that they had parents.
Lemme level with you, because anything else I can say is based on presumptions that might be unfair: All I'm hearing is "they added something new: that's bad". Well, I enjoy the setting because there's always something new to unveil and the characters because they're dynamic enough to change. "Ah, but THESE new things are TOYS you see". Yes, they are. So were the old things. Celestia. Luna. Canterlot. Ponyville. Carousel Boutique. Sweet Apple Acres. The pets. The supporting cast. The crowd fillers. The Gala Dresses. And of course the small matter of the central character's themselves. All "shoehorned" onto your TV screen by those evil Hasbro suits back in 2010. They hold nothing over THE FOLLOWING SHIT THAT RUINED MLP in that regard.

Look this clearly comes down to vastly different outlooks. the S2 finale made absolute sense to me from the moment I saw it on live stream 5 years ago. Only now is it occurring to me that it didn't to you. That's the thing about this show dude; it's mercurial. They leave so much so vague and up to interpretation that our presumptions fill in the gaps. Everyone's got a different take. What I don't know is why so many people's take is so fucking rigid, boring and frankly unhealthy to their emotional well-being.

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>>29921413
>Luna's place in the world, or the "land to her name" as you put it, would be the dream world
This is actually a nice way to put it, I never thought about it this way. Celestia and Luna had the Castle of Two Sisters and it was implied that they operated as a duo in harmony, until it was disturbed. Correct me if I'm wrong but Celestia only moved to Canterlot after the banishment.
But then comes Cadence with barely anything known about her. I don't have a problem with her getting the Crystal Empire to her name. I think in some extended universe materials her old relative used to be there or something. But here's the thing, why not also do it in the show? I would've loved some backstory on it.
At the time of Cadence introduction the idea of earning the alicornhood wasn't a thing, but now it raises a question what did she do to deserve it and more importantly, when? It was never specified how old is she compared to Celestia and Luna and when did she earn her wings.
Twilight doesn't own Ponyville, she got her castle after a short time for solving a major crysis in Equestria. Cadence seems to be a lot older than Twilight, judging by her model, why does she get some land only now? And, again, for what? Cadence was presumably in Canterlot all this time, ignoring every major even and the Gala, having no relevance to anything. It is, again, a problem with her introduction as a princess. A lot of confusion and eyebrow raising could've been avoided if Lauren's initial plan for her was followed.
And again, don't get me wrong. I don't mind Cadence as a character but I wish she was a proper one, with some backstory and characterisation. Through her a lot of alicorn law could be revealed, not just stomped on. She in herself isn't a problem, what she stands for is, and her remaining as just that is.

>>29913349
>So which shit that ruined MLP annoy you the most?

/mlp/

>>29921566
Lauren did account for Cadence, but not on her being a princess. That was changed almost at the last moment.
>Twilight never said she DIDN'T Have a brother
True, but the reason for introducing him were quite blatant and not derived from the show itself needing him.
>All I'm hearing is "they added something new: that's bad"
I am not against adding something new, but you can't ignore the reason for adding that and refusing to capitalize on it afterwards.
> Well, I enjoy the setting because there's always something new to unveil and the characters because they're dynamic enough to change
I enjoy that too but in this case Cadence didn't actually change over time. She is not dynamic. If she was I would love it. Nothing was unveiled in regards of her. And why not? Introducing such a game-changing character begs for characterisation and worldbuilding to catch up.
>All "shoehorned" onto your TV screen
And almost all used in a meaningful way to build a world around them. I am not outing Cadence as the only example of wasted opportunity to expand the world. Both Celestia and Luna are in the same boat and it's shitty. It took them 6 years to make Celestia even seem like a character with emotions. This whole show is filled with these wasted opportunities.
>the S2 finale made absolute sense to me from the moment I saw it on live stream 5 years ago
It did for me as well, but that doesn't mean I have to just accept it as is. It has flaws, doesn't mean I hate it for them.
>What I don't know is why so many people's take is so fucking rigid, boring and frankly unhealthy to their emotional well-being.
No, don't misunderstand. I don't hate anything in the show for what it is. In the original post I said it as well. Introducing something is not a problem for me. I just wish they did everything justice in their own cartoon. And even despite that I love it. I'm sorry if I came across as someone who hates it, it was not my intention.

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>>29921578
>what did she do to deserve it and more importantly, when?
>why does she get some land only now? And, again, for what?
As far as "for what", I can't really say. As to why she is only NOW receiving her own kingdom, I'd put that right down to the fact that the Crystal Empire wasn't around for so long. We know that when the Empire resurfaced that Cadence was appointed as it's ruler, and as you said, this was most likely done due to some personal tie she had to the kingdom. We know she must have some bullshit prophetical-tie to the Empire, as when she shows up in the second episode of the S3 opener, one of the Crystal Ponies refers to her as "The Crystal Queen", but that's about it as far as I remember.

>She in herself isn't a problem, what she stands for is, and her remaining as just that is.
As much as I can try to find logic in her, and fill in the blanks given from what the show has told us, I can't help but agree with you there. They leave so much of her backstory and lore out of the equation that I can't help but feel left wanting more. Hell, even the way I started this post sums it up perfectly.
>As far as "for what", I can't really say.
Because there's no real indication to put together something to say. Yeah, we can all come up with theories and ideas behind the logic of the show and it's progression, but with her I guess there just isn't enough there. I still LIKE Cadence not as a favorite or anything, I just don't necessarily dislike her, but that fact remains all the same I suppose.

Still, this is the first legit discussion I've had about the show for months now, so I'll take it for what it is.

>>29921766
I can kinda see it like she was "destined" for the Empire and didn't have anything until then, yeah. I am only presuming she was in Canterlot this whole time but it's hard to tell.

>fill in the blanks given from what the show has told us
It's worth noting that Lauren herself has no idea what to even say about it, and she commented on Celestia and Luna multiple times. For her Cadence as a princess makes no sense and I have no idea if she means anything for the writers now - or if they ever thought about it at all. Also I guess filling in the blanks is a pretty familiar thing for fans of any princess

Lauren's word of course isn't something to be closely followed and I think all princess lore is long overdue for explanation. Maybe Flurry will open some opportunities for it, who knows. At least I hope so, so far she seems to shape up as just a very special snowflake, being the first out of the womb alicorn. And the worst thing is, Cadence is probably gonna be even more forgotten as the attention shifts on Flurry. At least it's SOME screentime for her.

I liked Cadence in Princess Spike, she showed a more wise and empathetic side there. I almost thought that they'll continue with her from that point. Silly me.

I've been seeing a surprising amount of serious show discussion this week and I'm happy about it, not everything is getting memed and shitposted for once.

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>>29921722
My mistake then. One week back on this board has made me kinda jittery. I'm assuming the worst of everyone. Maybe I'm still harboring rage from that "Fluttershy gets more assertive and less shy" cuntsludge in the OP, the /mlp/ I 'member wouldn't call that a bad thing on it's worst fucking day.
Apologies and goodnight. Nice chat.

Same goes for >>29915779, I never replied because I didn't have anything to add beyond "well let's just see what happens then".

>>29922064
>One week back on this board has made me kinda jittery
Oh I can't blame you for that. I also kinda assume the worst now but it seems not everything is lost yet. Even with baity OP it's still possible to discuss things like, well, people, and I'm thankful for that. G'night.

>>29913349
Were do I vote if there wasn't anything that ruined MLP for me?

I don't see a none of the above option

>>29921873
Neither Cadance nor Flurry are special snowflakes, they have neither the talent nor the achievement to be so. They are just "there", and that's why people do not accept such important roles being given to them and don't feel they belong. Alicornhood SHOULD be reserved for special snowflakes, and those pink things don't qualify, the ones that DO are Twilight and her clones (Sunset and Starlight).

>>29922137
Flurry is being introduced as a "special case" though, something out of ordinary that never happened. I think some material said that an alicorn is born so when "Equestria needs it the most". It's really hard to say what she even is right now. And you can't even count her as a character yet. So I dunno, next episode won't probably reveal anything about her as well. I can't even feel anything towards her to be honest.

>>29922164
As far as I'm concerned, the pink creatures are cosmetic alicorns only, normal ponies that happen to have wings and a horn, but have the "magical signature" or whatever of ordinary mortal ponies. I'm putting Twilight in the same boat for now, but I think she has a shot on becoming a real alicorn, if she earns it.

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>>29922098
this

>>29922098
People like you was what ruined MLP.

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>>29922220
>a real alicorn
Explain.

>>29913349
>Cadence and Shining Armor
Yep.
See, I can take their existence (barring the alicorn bit), but they were introduced not only out of nowhere, but as extremely important ponies.They deserved a proper introduction and a bit of building into their role in the show. They still also have barebones for character and are best forgotten.

>Changeling reform
Bad. Thorax showed it was possible for changelings to not be evil monsters if they just opened up to friendship and coexistence. They didn't need to really transform (and its occurrence was equally shitty).

>Alicorn Twilight
She was destined for greatness, but I dont think transcending into another species was needed. Being a Princess doesn't really add to her as she could still be a mentor figure for anypony from simply being so well versed in friendship after all she and her friends have been through. She also has no Kingdom or actual political clout beyond being an alicorn and having a castle, while the others are actual rulers.

>EQG
I hate that exists, but at least it hasn't seriously bled into the show.

>Twilight's Castle
Straight up marketing.
It looks garish and as though you took a structure from the (god forsaken) Crystal Empire and planted it in the rustic setting where it just doesn't really fit. Disgusting.


>Starlight reform and focus
The reform was the biggest blow. I hate it because she was a far more interesting villain. If she had a better motivation than her shitty sob story and kept after Twilight until being reformed GRADUALLY instead of in the space of minutes, I would have liked her a lot more.

Her being the focus is just a nuisance and a reminder of what could have possibly been.

The rest are too minor to really bother me.

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>>29913349
Library is third from the top.

>>29913911
Fucking accept Twilicorn and move on

>>29915364
You do realize she traveled back in time to change the past and thus change the future right?
You do realize bad things are bad no matter what timeline, world, country, place you do them in?
You can't be this dumb so stop being intellectually dishonest to stir the pot.

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>>29922702
Library was a low fucking blow. I will not forgive it. I will never accept the castle. This much of a FUCK YOU to everyone isn't acceptable.

>>29923129
I'm not sure what made it worse; hanging the charred remains of the treebrary in the castle, or bringing it back in the dream that says even the staff miss it.

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>>29924348
Both of these are burtal. But what hurts the most is that we've been robbed of growing another treebrary. If there would be no castle and Twilight had to plant a new seed:
- Twilight learns a lesson of coping with losing something that's been in her life for so long
- Learns that it doesn't mean everything is gone, you can move on
- She makes her town a service, contributing to the community she's been a part of this whole time she lived here
- She learns of patience and that it takes time to grow but its worth it
- She learns that the memories always remain and it doesn't have to always hurt (the normal non-stump hanging way)
- M6 helps her rebuild the ways they can and bonds with her more
Place that map inside of it, hell, make the new treebrary more crystaly or something because of the map. Say that it's sometimes ok to say goodbye to something you're used to but in that place you form new memories. Because that cozy library was the home of Twilight the friend, who experienced all this friendship with those she cares about. Instead we have the lifeless castle of Twilight the princess, who sends her friends away from her because of glowing buttmarks to experience friendship somewhere else.

>>29913349
None of the above.