IT ENDS WHERE IT BEGAN

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A brief writeup of how it could go:
>season premiere: mane 6 called to fight some evil force (Grogar would work great here)
>defeat him
>something doesn't add up--maybe he wasn't behind some incident that occurred, or his return seemed too easy

>throughout season, gradually getting more and more clues that someone has been pulling the strings
>Starlight begins to suspect that it's one of the Princesses, but Twi assures her none of them would ever do that

>season finale: they find hard evidence that this has been happening since Nightmare Moon's return at the soonest
>m6 go to Celestia to ask for guidance
>Celestia explains she's been orchestrating the release of various enemies from Equestria's past
>it's a form of societal control, because ponies need something to fear to keep them in line
>it's all to maintain order and HARMONY
>Twilight absolutely breaks down, can't bring herself to fight her teacher and runs away crying
>explains what happened to Starlight, Spike, and some others
>Starlight doesn't accept that
>isn't powerful enough to fight sunhorse on her own, and exposing her won't work--no one would believe Starlight
>gathers another suicide squad including some of the mane 5, Spike, and maybe one or both of the other princesses to take down Celestia

I don't know how many more seasons we have left, but I am confident that this will be the true conclusion to the series.

2/2

>>29905433
But they could make a new threat that is physically capable of taking them down.

it's still a show aimed at little girls...

>>29905445
The kids who were 5-year-olds when the show started are hitting puberty now.

>>29905433
Glimglam and Trixie attempt a coup and Twi is forced to watch Celestia banish them to the moon for a thousand years. Twi's sympathy for her protege drives a wedge between her and Celestia (and the rest of the Mane 6), and the show ends with the Princess of Friendship being friendless. There's your full circle.

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>>29905471
Oooh this could be good. Bonus points if in the last scene we see Twilight's eyes shift to vertical pupils...

>>29905434
The problem with this is that it doesn't make her a villain, it makes her the most genius motherfucker ever to run the country and the finest ruler the ponies could ask for.
>Wait until she has secured a magical superweapon that is obedient to her demands
>Unleash all potential threats in short order, ensuring the superweapon is prepped and ready to go
>Step in and nudge potential threats into action when they won't move themselves
>When you forsee a risk to your A-team superweapon, develop a nearly-as-powerful B-team including the most devastating antagonist you've ever faced (Discord)
>In the aftermath, have secured not just the freedom of her sister but standing alliances with most other races and re-securing of secondary threats against Equestria
>Anyone who would be a danger has been brought up and dealt with already
>Equestria is primed and ready for another thousand years of uninterrupted peace and development
And this is supposed to be a "villain"?

>>29905478
That's the thing. She really is doing it to help Equestria, and it should be portrayed sympathetically.

>>29905478
She did nothing wrong.

>>29905434
>I don't know how many more seasons we have left
At least a dozen. This shit is going to get milked like Spongebob.
>I am confident that this will be the true conclusion to the series
By the time the series ends, it's going to be a whole new staff working on it that's never seen the show and it's going to end on a normal boring episode that doesn't resolve anything, because it's going to get canceled without notice.
>>29905453
Those girls are no longer the target demographic. The current target demographic didn't even exist when the show premiered.

>>29905471
I like this idea. Hell, why stop there? Have it be the M6 versus the secondaries: Twilight is forced to see not just her erstwhile protege banished, but her long-time beloved companion Spike. Losing Glimmer could damage Twilight, but losing Spike would destroy her.

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>>29905492
>losing Spike
OH SHIT
You know where this is going...
Talk about full circle

>>29905484
The issue is I'm not sure there's any way to portray it except sympathetically. What's the complaint supposed to be - "you didn't tell us you were trying to secure Equestria's peace and safety"? What exactly is supposed to be wrong here? Sure, it makes her machiavellian as fuck - but unlike Machiavelli, there's literally no downside to Celestia's alleged actions here.

The only way I could actually see this sort of finale working is if Twilight turns on Celestia... but ultimately it is Twilight, rebelling for the sake of personal anger and rebellion, that has to be stopped. That would be your full circle: Much as Luna let her own baseless anger and jealousy against the obviously beneficial order of things run rampant and turn her into Nightmare Moon, it would be Twilight's emotions that would seize control of her and turn her evil.

>>29905516
>literally no downside to Celestia's alleged actions here
Essentially: because she was doing evil things, even though it was for a good cause. You and I see that as sympathetic, even the right course of action, but young girls won't.

>The only way I could actually see this sort of finale working is if Twilight turns on Celestia... but ultimately it is Twilight, rebelling for the sake of personal anger and rebellion, that has to be stopped. That would be your full circle: Much as Luna let her own baseless anger and jealousy against the obviously beneficial order of things run rampant and turn her into Nightmare Moon, it would be Twilight's emotions that would seize control of her and turn her evil.
That could be really, really powerful, though I'm not sure if that final fight should be played out or if the series should end with her transforming. Either way, I feel like the last scene should mostly be an orchestral piece filled with emotion (like Rogue One's ending https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qemb3iBlp1o )

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>>29905524
>star wars

>>29905433
You do realize that the "New Lunar Republic" is a dead meme, don't you?

>>29905471
>Twi's sympathy for her protege drives a wedge between her and Celestia
I don't think that would happen, attempted coup isn't something that should be easily forgiven. Twilight can put her duties before herself, as Celestia did with Luna. Instead it's Twilight repeating that history, going agains Glimmer and Trixie, that would be interesting here.

>>29905492
>losing Spike would destroy her.
You could have the coup be spearheaded by Glim, Trix, Discord and the Bug, which is a perfect set up for Spike toi betray Twi by siding with them. That way she can end up alone in a library, friendless without even Spike for company. Perfect ending.

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Series finale

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>everything about this thread
Sticky when?

No seriously, you open your idea with a statement that has no basis behind it. There could be another villain that can overpower them, even Chrysalis managed to pull it off.

>>29905524
>Essentially: because she was doing evil things, even though it was for a good cause.
Evil things? What evil things? Teasing out Equestria's foes where they can be confronted at the best of times, rather than striking without warning or preparation?

Honestly, this sounds like a ridiculous "rebel against authority for the sake of rebelling" sort of thing. Said ruler has done nothing that is actually detrimental to any of her subjects in any fashion; the only way to get to that point is to twist her actions to the point where it's obvious you're just trying to rationalize disagreeing with her.

>>29905556
So close! But yes, this would be awesome.

>>29905626
I'm not trying to rationalize disagreeing with her--in fact, I agree with her. I'm trying to rationalize why little kids would disagree with her,. which is who the show is ultimately made for.

Though the more I think about it, the more I think framing Twilight as the bad guy would be awesome.

>>29905516
>>29905524
>>29905626
Why are you people acting like no one got hurt? Of course they're not going to show it in a show for children, but lives were obviously devastated by these attacks. Ponies clearly would have got hurt, had extensive property damage like their homes and businesses being destroyed, and death of themselves or loved ones would clearly be a factor as well.

>>29905644
Maybe she and her Crystal Empire family + Spike to a tropical resort for a vacation and she is arrested for vandalizing the island and needs to clean the island as part of her punishment?

>After a lengthy battle Celestia is banished to the sun
>1000 years pass, Luna sends her student to Ponyville to watch over the Summer Sun celebration.

>>29905662
> but lives were obviously devastated by these attacks.
Of course they were. But we're not debating whether they were damaging; we're debating whether Celestia's actions have improved the situation from what it could have been.

And in my eyes, the answer is still a resounding yes - what we saw were the least of any number of bad situations. Can you imagine if Tirek or the Changelings had shown up, and there'd been absolutely no plan in place? Do you think it would have been any less destructive to Equestria if Celestia hadn't played her games just right? Would there have been fewer lives devastated if the situations hadn't been so cleanly, quickly, and effectively wrapped up?

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>>29905685
That would be amazing

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>>29905662
So you wouldn't pull the lever

>>29905701
And you would

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>>29905685
>this is how celestia returns

>>29905736
>sunfags assassinate whoever writes that episode

>>29905685
>not the Winter Moon celebration

>>29905701
>>29905717
Instead of waiting to be attacked, or provoking your enemy into attacking once you're prepared to defend yourself, why not launch an attack against them directly and keep your citizens out of harm's way?

>>29905717
I'm not sure I'm prepared to pull the lever, but I don't think you can cast someone as a villain for choosing to do so.

>>29905745
Because a foe who knows you are hunting them is a dangerous thing, one who has suffered a setback but is still loose dangerous still, and a cornered foe potentially most dangerous of all - compared to one who is overextending themselves right before they get completely smacked down. By drawing foes out to a point where they are completely vulnerable, you can avoid a much longer entanglement with many potential points for things to go wrong.

Of course it doesn't work that way in real life, but we're not unaging alicorns with some degree of precognizance as to what our foes will do. Celestia is, and so can make those hard calls with full knowledge of the path she is choosing.

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>>29905880
>we're not unaging alicorns
>Celestia is
You should see her crows feet.

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>>29905880
>we're not unaging alicorns with some degree of precognizance as to what our foes will do. Celestia is, and so can make those hard calls with full knowledge of the path she is choosing.
Just according to keikaku.

>>29905541
>attempted coup isn't something that should be easily forgiven
And yet repeated brainwashings, overthrowing towns, fucking with time, and other such events are.

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>>29905956
Don't fuck with time.

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>>29905478
>>29905492
>it'll be A-team vs B-team.
>A-team was formed by Celestia pulling all the strings and putting together all of the ponies that best represent the elements of harmony (within reason)
>through planned events, the m6 become friends
>s1 premier, the m6 unlock the power of the elements of harmony
>m6 continue to use elements of harmony (gems themselves or their magic) to defeat pretty much every foe
>B-team formed by unplanned genuine friendships, between spike, glim, discord, secondaries etc
>no strings pulled, friendships formed naturally
>B-team realizes somehow that celest has been pulling strings for centuries, not ok with it
>brings it to A-team, but A-team headed by twi refuse to believe it and blindly defend princesses
>escalates, fight ensues
>friend vs friend, student vs pupil, family vs family
>A-team say fuck this and use elements of harmony
>doesn't work, because B-team is built on true friendship, and no evil intentions
>B-team has superior magic with glim and discord, and overcome A-team
The magic of friendship > the elements of harmony

>>29905434
>Celestia explains she's been orchestrating the release of various enemies from Equestria's past
>it's a form of societal control, because ponies need something to fear to keep them in line
And this is why /pol/ can't rule a country or write worth a shit.

You could have easily said that Celestia is secretly absorbing their powers and it would make the world difference.
But you suck. Fuck you.

This doesn't sound all that bad. I might actually watch this if it were a real episode.

>>29905478
Why are you so fucking naive, /a/-/pol/? Why can't you write normal fanfiction about killing the turks instead of 1,000,000 in 1 conspiracy theories about the half-bred cousin jews? All because you want to sound smart?

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PLEASE SOLAR FLARE

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>>29906140
Fuck yes.

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>>29905433
This isn't an anime, weeb.

>>29905701
The ponies that had their magic stolen by Tirek, their lives upheaved by Tirek, or their homes destroyed by something like the bugbear or Cerberus won't see it that way. It's altruistic as fuck to assume any course of political action isn't going to screw SOMEBODY over, but when it becomes clear that the rulers are okay with that and no longer seeking compromise or a victimless solution, they'll register as a villain. When bg ponies cry about how Celestia's machinations ruined their lives, and she says they're acceptable losses for the greater good, the average viewer won't agree, and neither will Twilight.

>>29905501
>>29905556
what is this?

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>>29905478
I just want to praise the sun. by force.

>>29906389
>You could have easily said that Celestia is secretly absorbing their powers and it would make the world difference.
but that would be boring you fuckwit

>>29906648
It's Tyrant SParkle

>>29905552
This sounds fucking awesome. Would suck for Twilight. It'd be just like Celestia having to seal Luna away.

>>29906140
>Anime tier
To the trash it goes.

>>29906534
I mean, you're welcome to argue that. But by the same measure, what happens if Celestia hadn't done anything?

You seem to be assuming I'm implying Celestia caused those events to occur in the first place; I'm arguing that no, she only provoked them enough to have a reasonable idea of when the time and date of their move would be. The bugbear was always going to be out there - but instead of stumbling into town when literally nobody was ready for it to show up, it ran into six experienced ponies (and one possible agent) who are seemingly able to deal with it.

>but when it becomes clear that the rulers are okay with that and no longer seeking compromise or a victimless solution
Again, who the hell says a "victimless solution" is possible? If the choice is between having it stumble in when it can be quickly contained and managed or stumble in when it has plenty of time to blunder around and cause even more damage, the choice is clear. It still sucks for ponies who were caught in it, of course - but are you honestly going to say they shouldn't have done anything and let it just show up whenever?

>>29907599
>inb4 she could have just mobilized her guards and killed all those baddies before they had a chance to get their powers up

>>29905433
Hey, if I was still underage and was still watching Naruto, I'd be all in with you.
That would've been cool to see.
But fuck you.
They can invent literally anything. They could just go ahead and create a new specie that's immune to magic or some shit and everyone gets shit on.
Your point is retarded, it's a fantasy world with magic, mythological creatures and other shits we know literally nothing about.
Heck they could even make fucking Aliens come to Equestria to probe some mares.
Damn I can't wait for the porn to come

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>>29907705
Trust me, anon, I'd love to see the Royal Guard get some use and actually prove their worth. I love the little armored poners, but I've pretty much accepted that they're never going to be any use against the kind of special threats the M6 face down - maybe securing Equestria's borders against other nations and mundane threats, but not mad goddesses, magic-eating tyrants, and reality-warping spirits.

But fuck, would it ever be awesome to see Equestria actually prove itself on the field of open battle.

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The more I think about it, the more I realize FIM is, on a grander scale, about the imperialism of Equestria and their goal to create horse United Nations.

>assassinate (though he got better) the king of the Crystal Empire, then set up a friendly gov't
>ally with Saddle Arabia
>get the magical, reality-bending equivalent of ICBMs as the boyfriend of one of your subjects
>ally with Maretonia
>ally with Yakyakistan
>subvert Dragonlands gov't, student's little brother is best friends with the new dragon lord
>overthrow Changeling rulership, set up a more fair ruler who just happens to be best friends with student's little brother

Celestia is the best goddamn politician ever.

>>29908193
>>>/a/
And stop bumping your shitty thread.

>>29905736
Except Luna didn't die from being in the moon without oxygen or food for 1000 years.

>>29908886
The moon is made of oxygen-rich cheese, obviously.

>>29905453
Just because little girls were target audience when the show came out doesn't mean they change to an older demographic. The show is still aimed at little girls.

>>29906389
>>29906429
>>29906518
>>29908219
>muh /a/ boogeyman
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
I've never even been to /a/

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>>29905433
Mom, is that you? Stealing from Star Wars isn't gonna make up for the fact that you stole the "muh Bible" from Harry Potter. You're the fucking EL James of animation. Go to bed, Mom, you one-note hack.

>>29909575
>Stealing from Star Wars
If anything, it's Watchmen

>>29909575
Hackery or not, it still would make a million times better episode than the next piece of shit "Flurry Heart Ruins Everything" episode that's coming this weekend

>>29910077
This is so true it hurts

>>29905556
Considering how shit it was in Friendship Games, I doubt they'll try it in FIM.

>>29910858
Everything they could try always is shit.
Tirek was shit, Glim was shit, the stupid plot of MMC if there is even one was fucktarded, you name it.

>>29906140
>B-team has superior magic
A-Team has Mary Sue. B-Team doesn't stand a chance.

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>>29905556
this
>>29906932
or this

I'd love to see some Midnight Sparkle or Solar Flare. I got me a thing for evil queens.
Especially, if they are semi justified, which you could make the case for with NMM, and easily with Midnight Sparkle or Solar Flare, given a decent plot.
And we know Celly has a gresat plot.

They'd have to tone down the OC-y-ness of Midnight Sparkle though, I'm sure they could make her look decent.

>>29905434
>Machiavellian tyrantlestia
It was a fucking shit idea for a fanfic, and it's an even fucking shittier idea for a finale.

>>29905434
>it's a form of societal control, because ponies need something to fear to keep them in line
>it's all to maintain order and HARMONY
JUST LIKE MY GENERIC ANIME FINALES

>>29909433
When someone tells you to go to /a/, it doesn't mean you come from there you fucking mongoloid.
Only the worst weebs go to /a/.
But it still means that you should stop being a fucking retarded weeb.
Just go jerk off to your chinese cartoons.

>>29911400
>I don't like longterm plots

>>29905556
>>29905501
>>29910935

>Celestia (or somebody else) dies or is permanently incapacitated
>Twilight is devastated
>Now she's afraid of losing her friends to danger
>Becomes protective
>Overly protective
>Throw in a "very special" episode featuring Twilight and Applejack where the later tries to teach the former on how to deal with loss; it doesn't stick
>Slides towards being more controlling over the course of a season
>Temper shortens when things don't go her way
>She starts dabbling in powerful magic that even Starlight won't touch
>Discord does something stupid and she surprises him by returning him to stone singlehandedly
>Disagrees with something Luna wants to do and imprisons her, turning full Midnight in the struggle.
>The A-Team, B-Team, and others collectively have to storm Canterlot, defeat Midnight and those under her control, free Equestria, and make her let go of her fear of loss

>>29912593
I like this a lot

>>29905433
>>29905434
They would never adopt a season-long arc this rigid, let alone a dark one like this.

>>29913732
>They would never adopt a season-long arc this rigid
Remember the keys arc in season 4?

>>29905434
Glimmer finale for series finale? No, fuck you

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Man, this is some edgy bullshit

>>29905685
>straight out of a shitty fanfic

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>>29905434
This guy is going to fuck the evil out of her