Knight in Shining Armor

>>29781782
He's the *prince* aspect of every princess story. They can't give the sisters a prince because they're practically worshipped here, and they can't give the mane 6 princes yet so they stuck this guy with this pink pony princess as a Cadence appeal, like how with some Disney princesses you get all these prince charmings or love interests and they don't get a lick of merch.

>>29781782
They needed a Prince for little girls and Blueblood was already ruined.

>>29781782
I am still mad about him and Cadence. They absolutely had to make them related to Twilight, as if we would care more about them because of that. Well it doesn't work that way. And they continue to shove them into the story even though they don't actually matter. It's even worse than Glimmer.

He looks more like Vinyl Sratch's brother.

>>29781886
It's literally been five years. Get over it.

>>29782984
>it's the [current year]
This is no excuse. They did absolutely nothing interesting with him. At least Cadence had some importance to the plot later on and even then she's a non-character. And now with Flurry they are shoving them even harder without any further characterisation. It would've been better if Shining and Cadence fucked off after Crystal Empire but now they just take up screentime for no reason other then being support for Flurry, another non-character.

>>29782984
It's been practically 5 years and these autistic cunts still insist on keeping these horrid characters inside the show to either never flesh them out or completely destroy their character, just like the changelings.

I am so goddamn glad that Celestia never got an episode and made as few appearances as possible. I hope she never ever gets an episode. They already ruined Luna forever, we don't need another princess assassination.

I genuinely would prefer if Luna Eclipsed had never existed and Luna was forgotten in episode 2 of season 1.

>>29783323
Luna had no character so there was nothing to ruin. Sorry if your headcanons were shattered.

>You now realise episodes with Cadence would have been Celestia episodes if that character never existed.
Meanwhile, Shining is so <1-dimensional as a character that he never got any episodes, or even an appearence in that guys-night episode.

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>>29783374
>Celestia was in Canterlot Wedding just to be defeated and show how powerful The Power of Love (tm) is
At least Discord was still defeated by the Elements. They just HAD to introduce fucking OP power out of nowhere with no connection or relevance to anything. Really capitalized on that whole "friendship is magic" thing eh? Oh no wait we have LOVE now, nevermind. What a fucking joke. It all went downhill from there.

>>29783404
How can you have a problem with the power of love but be a-ok with the power of friendship which is just as cheesy? One was powered by an alicorn which every fan claims are god-level and the other is powered by ancient relics with absolutely no background as to why they are so powerful.

If you want to REEE at the pink princess for stealing your waifu's limelight, fine. But don't lie to yourself by pretending this show never used cheesy deus ex machina since day one.

The episode told a good story about a little sister and her relationship with her older brother and how to deal with him moving on and getting married.

It's a pretty good archetypal story with a conflict many little girls can relate to.

Shining armor is a hero, the quasi nerdy bro who fucked a god.

>>29783437
>How can you have a problem with the power of love but be a-ok with the power of friendship which is just as cheesy?
>One was established as apart of the world lore, literally from the title, and is a core theme of the development of the main character.
>The other comes from a Hasbro executive fisting a garbage toy into the show, not caring about how much has to be written around it for it to try and be passable.
>HURRR DEY'RE DA SAME DURRHURR
You might be able to say that an all powerful enemy defeater is a copout no matter what they do with it, but at least we had to actually see them work for it everytime we see it.
Now comparing it to Rainbow Power: now you're talking about something that's equally as shit as "tha power of luv".

>>29781782
He is an underrated character. I wish more was done to develop him.

>>29783437
Friendship is Magic is literally the name of the show. Friendship and the Elements are established powers right from the very start. It's part of the world's lore and it is implied that the magic of friendship is basically the ultimate power in Equestria.
Power of love is introduced two seasons in without any previous mentions and it turns out to be at least on the same level as friendship. They came up with it on the spot, just like they shoved Cadance in the show for no reason other than pink princess toys were made and needed selling. It's a fucking retarded asspull that had no reason to be in the show where one godlike power already exists and is THE cornerstone of the show.

What's with all the hate towards Shining and Cadance in this thread?
S2 finale was universally praised, BBBFF & This Day Aria are still regarded to be among the best songs, and these two have inspired endless lewds.
Literally the only bad thing you can say about them is that they came out of nowhere but that complaint only goes so far after 5 years.

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>>29783337
>There was nothing to ruin.
Yeah, I have something which everyone has and it's called common sense. You /b/ horsefuckers might wanna get one yourselves.

If I was Hasbro I wouldn't give her a retard-sounding voice, a half-assed "old elisabeth" vocabulary, an anti-social and awkward personality unfit of an eloquent well-spoken villain and a leader.
I wouldn't waste the episode by making her stand around moping around that she can't interact with anyone. And in her last episode I would have removed the idea that she feels guilty and tortures herself with her own tulpa/magic projection because Hasbro thought "princess of the night" means depressed gothic emo who can't have fun. But she also can't act serious worth a damn, so there's that contradiction.

>>29783496
>What's with all the hate towards Shining and Cadance in this thread?
Read the thread maybe?
>BBBFF & This Day Aria
Aria was great but BBBFF not really, jap dub is cute though.
>endless lewds
Like incest and cuck porn? Yeah, great.
>that complaint only goes so far after 5 year
It's not wine, it doesn't get better with time. It doesn't change. Just like Shining and Cadence.

>>29783496
>S2 finale was universally praised,
Said no fan of the show, ever. Go back to ruining the movie, Mike Vogel.

>>29783461
Rainbow Power was just the elements being momentarily imbued to the M6 without the need to wear the bling and was set up and worked towards all season so your "out-of-nowhere" critique doesn't apply.

>>29783483
Having only one uber magical weapon in a world filled with magic makes for poor world-building. Love follows the same concept as kindness, generosity, loyalty, honesty, etc. and while it came out of nowhere, it still fits within the shows established rules and doesn't break anything. They also never implied love > friendship. All love did was repel the invaders. We have no idea what friendship would have done to the changelings as it seems to change its mind on ever villain its used on.

>>29783551
Revising history are we now? Not surprising coming from a gypsy.

>>29783530
>common sense
>thinks he somehow knows better what to do with the character despite seeing it for total of 10 seconds after reformation
Back to fimfiction with you, idea guy.

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>>29783551
Even after a whole two seasons went by it still ended up 14th on here post season 4.

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>>29781782
>There was no toy to sell here

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>>29781782
>There was no toy to sell here, there was nothing to gain.

U wot

>>29783549
It was a rhetorical question smart ass.
If all you are seeing is incest and cuck then you aren't even trying.
Imagine you had a friend. Now imagine the two of you saw a movie together and you both hated it. But you moved on and accepted "it is what it is and there's nothing I can do to change it" like any mentally healthy adult. Now imagine your friend won't let it go and endlessly bitched about the movie and brings it up at every opportunity; even when you are talking about something not even remotely related to the movie he gives you unsolicited opinions about it. Now imagine he does this for 5 years. I have a feeling you'd tell him to fuck off.

>>29783496
>S2 finale was universally praised
Because this fandom is never wrong in the slightest, it astounds scientests with its ability to be factually correct, right?
>BBBFF & This Day Aria are still regarded to be among the best songs
Songs aren't relavent to individual characters, they can easily be tweaked in production to fit other ones.
>And these two have inspired endless lewds.
How about you stop being a fucking fan of the fandom.

>>29783562
>Having only one uber magical weapon in a world filled with magic makes for poor world-building
Two seasons of worldbuilding didn't suffer from it. And after love was introduced no further lore was built around it.
>Love follows the same concept as kindness, generosity, loyalty, honesty, etc.
No, love is in itself equivalent to the element of magic. Other elements don't do anything by themselves, but together they form the sixth element. While love doesn't use anything but Cadence with Shining, as it was never established if any other pony can even use the power of love properly. The magic of friendship isn't just used by Twilight, it's a team effort. But Cadence introduces another type of magic that is at least stronger than Celestia's powers, and this magic doesn't require anything other than being in love. It doesn't have the same narrative impact, it doesn't teach anything, it doesn't make a statement that's used anywhere aside from that fight. It's just a plot device that was convenient.

>>29783649
>fan of the fandom
I still unironically enjoy the show senpai. How about you? If something a benign as introducing 2 new characters is enough to set you off, then you must be literally shaking with all the other content they've added since then.

>>29783633
>I have a feeling you'd tell him to fuck off.
But that doesn't change the fact it was terrible. No amount of time will change that. It's your right to tell me to fuck off, but it doesn't make it better somehow. It's not even a topic that's brought up that much, compared to say Twilicorn. If anything this is the thread to bitch about it.

>>29783702
I admit that was more directed at twilicorn complainers but SA and Cadance are often lumped in with that when people say where the show went downhill.

My point was there really isn't a reason to still be mad about those two for this long when they haven't done anything offensively bad to the show, unless you count Flurry.

If you say "fucking up alicorn lore" remember they were going to make Twilight one the very next season so the idea of Celestia and Luna being the only ones was already going out the window with or without Cadance.

>>29783752
Cadence is at least easy to ignore so I don't have that much problem with her. She at least doesn't overstay her welcome. And I didn't say that I don't want her to be here at all, I just think she's a wasted opportunity. Well, like a lot of things in the show now. She was the first case of blatant corporate meddling and I can't forget that. She and Shining felt like betrayal at the time. Flurry is on completely different level now, if anything SHE fucks up the alicorn lore the most.
The thing with Twilicor was, if we take into account what Larson's original plan was, it supposed to be deserved. Twilight had to do something that even Celestia and Luna weren't able to do. That's how she would get her wings. But that begs the question - what did Cadence do? If we take just the show and not the extended universe, there's no real explanation. Also how did a princess end up as a foalsitter for Twilight who wasn't even Celestia's student at the time? My biggest gripe is that they never took the opportunity to actually build her as a character, and same with Shining. It's like they were sorry about her and didn't want to bring her up more than they had to.

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>>29783582
Where's your 6 years of home education, faggot? Did your parents just leave home alone?
>Hasbro can do no wrong, their idea was the only good idea because it's all we'll ever get. Stay quiet and eat it up like the rest of us drones.
>Shut up, little girl. You're not a company, only a company can come up with good ideas and good writing to match. Nobody else can.

>>29783880
Hasbro at least knows better than some guy who gets triggered by reality. How does it feel to be that irrelevant? Stay salty fag.

>>29783854
Isn't one of the biggest criticisms of Twilicorn is that it makes her a mary sue for achieving such a thing? By having another character also achieve it, it shows that not just Twilight can do it. You are right though, they should have explained Cadance's ascension in the show rather than a book.

The 2 definitely should have been expanded on by now. SA has had small moments throughout the years that add a little bit of character but he and his wife should have gotten a slice of life episode about them by now instead of relying on IDW fanfiction.

>>29783752

Twilicorn doesn't fuck up alicorn lore. It's supposed to be something that's earned, and that's what she did. The likes of Cadance and Flurry didn't do jackshit, therefore it's absurd for them to have been bestowed such a gift, especially since there are more qualified ponies around that are far more worthy.
Cadance definitely doesn't fit in with the others and she's shown as severely lacking in magical power (can't even teleport, can't cast complex spells, they had to call Glimmer to fix the Crystal Heart, despite it being Cadance's cutie mark). On my view, she and Flurry are cosmetic alicorns only, without the cool powers and immortality.

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>thinks he somehow knows better what to do with the character despite seeing it for total of 10 seconds after reformation, as opposed to Hasbro or the fanbase.
It must be impossible to come up with something original for an autistic fandom like this one.

>Derp-eyed pony? She's obviously a clutz
>Teal horse sits on bench like a human? She's obsessed with humans.
>BonBon is mostly seen with Lyra? They're gay.
>Vinyl Scratch never spoke? She's mute and communicates through vibrations. And everyone must call her DjPon-3, never forget to pronunciate the 3. Obligatory.
>If Octavia is calm and collected then Vinyl must turn into an obnoxious idiot to keep pushing the "polar opposites match" agenda
>Sad crying little princess sister? She can't change and never will. Obviously the bigger sister always abused her and now she's stuck like this.

I'm done laughing. This fanbase is far too autistic to feel humiliated over how cringeworthy they are.

>>29781782
But anon. Consider this:
1. he's got great design
2. has a really pleasant voice
3. god tier personality, absolute bro
4. kind and down to earth

no homo but I'd turn for him.

>>29783931
I don't think 3 seasons of constant friendship problems and lessons means that she got her wings for free, but I can't deny that MMC was fucked up and not nearly as justified as it should've been. It's even worse knowing the original plan. Larson had the right idea but Hasbro fucked him over. I can't honestly say that Twilight was Sued but - yet again - her ascension didn't lead to anything game-changing. Some writers ignore the wings completely, some try to ignore old Twilight. As a result she comes off as inconsistent and she doesn't even matter now that Glimmer is in the picture.
If Cadence also did something amazing, something that Celestia and Luna couldn't do, I definitely want to see it, it would be a great way to salvage her character. I am sure that a lot of people would like her more after that. Three's a Crowd wasn't that bad but it also wasn't really character-defining. If anything, I like Cadence in Princess Spike when she showed a bit of her caring side.
Shining had his moments as well but it's not enough to give a shit about him. And now it seems that the only way for those to to stay relevant is through Flurry. I fear that she will overshadow them completely. And Flurry herself is a much worse introduction than Cadence and SA.

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>>29784028
Do you ever look behind you when you eat shit?

>>29783690
>Another Princess being introduced out of literally nowhere was benign.
>Strawmanning that everything new is equal.
You should consider suicide, removing someone as retarded as yourself from the gene pool would do wonders for humanity.

>>29781782
OP, this is a girl's cartoon. By default, male characters in girl's cartoons are either:
- antagonists (Discord, Flim & Flam),
- eye-candy (Shining Armor, Big Macintosh), or
- comic relief (Spike, Snips & Snails).

Considering the options, Shining Armor came out pretty good.

>>29784513
>Another Princess being introduced out of literally nowhere was benign.
It is considering nearly everything pertaining to the princesses besides Twilight is glossed over and barely covered in the show.
>muh strawman buzzword
Never implied all changes were equal you illiterate lummox. Most of the other changes were exponentially more drastic than Cadance so I figured you must have been frothing at the mouth from them too.

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iiiiii donnnnn't caaaaaare

>>29784600
>It is considering nearly everything pertaining to the princesses besides Twilight is glossed over and barely covered in the show.
>Glossing over important parts of a story is a-okay if Hasbro are doing it.
And yes, you did imply that you lying sack of shit. I suggest leaving the thread before you make yourself look even more retarded and disingenuous.

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>>29784638
>Glossing over important parts of a story is a-okay if Hasbro are doing it.
I never said it was okay. You're just reinforcing my illiterate argument. Go take a reading class before posting again and look up the meaning of the word strawman.

>>29784667
If you didn't think ignoring important plot points was okay, you wouldn't be defending SA and Cadence, the latter who personifies that.

>>29784744
I gave some pros to their inclusion to the show as they aren't all bad because I'm not some autist who sees things in black and white. I never claimed they weren't introduced sloppily by corporate mandates which I pointed out in my initial post.

I only ever asked why people are still THIS mad about them and then some faggot called me a fan of the fandom so I ragged on him.
If your rage meteor was a 10 when A Canterlot Wedding came out then it should be down to a 2 or 1 by now.

>>29784886
Why gives pros to them that aren't even rightfully theirs?
>Fandom opinion.
>The soundtrack.
>Fan content (thinking with your dick is not healthy).
The only rightful pro I can think of upfront is that SA was stuck in the show in a way that wasn't nearly as terrible as Maud.

Plus it should make sense that people are talking about them with plenty of vitriol recently, given that Flurry Heart took up a big chunk of the newest trailer.

Question for any anons reading this:
Have the writers ever done anything with alicorn lore that you personally liked?

>Cadance
>Hearth's Warming Eve
>Twilicorn
>Flurry Heart

It seems like every time it's brought up, everyone hates it.

>>29784988
>Hearth's Warming Eve
What did that have to do with Alicorn lore?

>>29785011
Unicorns moved the sun and moon before the 2 sisters.

>>29784975
Those pros wouldn't exist if they didn't exist so I think it counts even if it is indirect.

>Flurry Heart
Seems kind of unfair to hate on the parents because of that but I guess it counts.

>>29785023
Kind of a stretch but okay, it worked.

I'd say everyone will hate it each time it comes up in the show is because it's easy to tell that it didn't come from the writers, and didn't come with either restraint, consideration for the story, or good convenience.

So, he really the knight of arse?

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>>29786812
obviously